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29th Jun '16 4:29:41 AM Morgenthaler
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30th May '16 5:33:10 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* 'Humanity' is one of the prevailing themes throughout ''TrinityBlood,'' with specific emphasis on the idea of "What makes someone a human?" The show/manga/novels use both androids and vampires to explore this question.

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* 'Humanity' is one of the prevailing themes throughout ''TrinityBlood,'' ''LightNovel/TrinityBlood,'' with specific emphasis on the idea of "What makes someone a human?" The show/manga/novels use both androids and vampires to explore this question.
22nd May '16 9:47:17 AM Doug86
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* In ''GreenLanternTheAnimatedSeries'', the villains of the second arc are the Manhunters, who detect the capacity of emotion as a red spot in the chest (never mind that emotions initiate in the ''head'', just go with it). When Aya (an android) saves Razer from one, we get a [=POV=] from the Manhunter, showing the humanoids with the emotion color, and Aya as an outline. Then, the red appears in her. The Manhunter intones "Emotions detected" and attacks her.

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* In ''GreenLanternTheAnimatedSeries'', ''WesternAnimation/GreenLanternTheAnimatedSeries'', the villains of the second arc are the Manhunters, who detect the capacity of emotion as a red spot in the chest (never mind that emotions initiate in the ''head'', just go with it). When Aya (an android) saves Razer from one, we get a [=POV=] from the Manhunter, showing the humanoids with the emotion color, and Aya as an outline. Then, the red appears in her. The Manhunter intones "Emotions detected" and attacks her.



* During the AdventureTime episode "B-Mo Lost", the titular robot gets his batteries wet while swimming [[NoWaterProofingInTheFuture and he nonchalantly ejects them to avoid shorting out]], then falls over completely shut off. After he's had time to dry off, somebody sticks the batteries back in, and he comes online with a cheerful yawn: "Goodmorning everyone, I didn't have any dreams!"

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* During the AdventureTime ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' episode "B-Mo Lost", the titular robot gets his batteries wet while swimming [[NoWaterProofingInTheFuture and he nonchalantly ejects them to avoid shorting out]], then falls over completely shut off. After he's had time to dry off, somebody sticks the batteries back in, and he comes online with a cheerful yawn: "Goodmorning "Good morning everyone, I didn't have any dreams!"
21st May '16 8:07:20 PM erforce
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* In ''UndocumentedFeatures'', the answer to this question is an unambiguous yes. Sufficiently advanced machine intelligences generate a [[Film/{{Ghostbusters}} Spengler]] [[LifeEnergy flux]], can learn KiAttacks, can operate [[EmpathicWeapon Empathic]] [[HumongousMecha Mecha]], and can even go to [[WarriorHeaven Valhalla]] when they die. On a more personal level, this is what [[Anime/TheBigO Dorothy]] is exploring as she sees whether she can become more than just a doll in the likeness of her creator's dead daughter. She even literally finds she can have dreams (and EroticDreams at that).

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* In ''UndocumentedFeatures'', the answer to this question is an unambiguous yes. Sufficiently advanced machine intelligences generate a [[Film/{{Ghostbusters}} [[Franchise/{{Ghostbusters}} Spengler]] [[LifeEnergy flux]], can learn KiAttacks, can operate [[EmpathicWeapon Empathic]] [[HumongousMecha Mecha]], and can even go to [[WarriorHeaven Valhalla]] when they die. On a more personal level, this is what [[Anime/TheBigO Dorothy]] is exploring as she sees whether she can become more than just a doll in the likeness of her creator's dead daughter. She even literally finds she can have dreams (and EroticDreams at that).
1st May '16 11:23:06 AM Willbyr
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Do robots have [[OurSoulsAreDifferent souls]]? Do [[CloningBlues clones]]? Can a computer have a sense of humor? Do Androids Dream? It has been asked in many forms, but the fundamental question is always, [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman "what makes us human?"]] And is it possible for an artificial intelligence or life form to possess those same qualities? What kind of idiot would give a robot a [[PersonalityChip personality]], anyway?

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Do robots have [[OurSoulsAreDifferent souls]]? Do [[CloningBlues clones]]? {{clon|ingBlues}}es? Can a computer have a sense of humor? Do Androids Dream? It has been asked in many forms, but the fundamental question is always, [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman "what makes us human?"]] And is it possible for an artificial intelligence or life form to possess those same qualities? What kind of idiot would give a robot a [[PersonalityChip personality]], {{personality|Chip}}, anyway?



* ''Manga/BattleAngelAlita'', which has both characters with cybernetic bodies and human brains (like the protagonist) and ones with human bodies and cybernetic brains, explores this sort of question a lot.

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* ''Manga/BattleAngelAlita'', ''Manga/{{Gunnm}}'', which has both characters with cybernetic bodies and human brains (like the protagonist) and ones with human bodies and cybernetic brains, explores this sort of question a lot.



* ''Franchise/GhostInTheShell'' and ''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex'' do too -- it's even in the title, sort of ("ghost" means "soul", more or less, and the "shell" in question is a machine).

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* The ''Franchise/GhostInTheShell'' and ''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex'' do too -- it's even in the title, sort of ("ghost" means "soul", more or less, and the "shell" in franchise explores this question is a machine).constantly.



** There are sentient AIs, as rare as they are, however. It's implied especially in the original manga series that in the very close future they will make the world into their own image, and make humans, or at least non-cybernetically altered humans obsolete.
** In both seasons of SAC, the Tatchikomas regularly get into philosophical debates on whether they are truly self-aware or not. The question of whether they have ghosts or not is all but confirmed once they show the capability of self-sacrifice (twice!).

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** There are sentient AIs, as rare as they are, however. It's implied especially in [[Manga/GhostInTheShell the original manga series manga]] that in the very close future they will make the world into their own image, and make humans, or at least non-cybernetically altered humans obsolete.
** In both seasons of SAC, ''Anime/GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex'', the Tatchikomas regularly get into philosophical debates on whether they are truly self-aware or not. The question of whether they have ghosts or not is all but confirmed once they show the capability of self-sacrifice (twice!).



* Chachamaru of ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'' has gone so far as to be capable of love. Possibly justified for her being {{Magitek}} (and a stealth cameo from an [[Manga/AILoveYou earlier series involving emotional AI]]). Her [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampire]] master Evangeline once described dreaming as "something like a memory bug".
** It comes up again later, when Chachamaru starts to worry about whether she actually has a soul, so that she can make a pactio with Negi. [[spoiler: She does, and they do.]]
** It is given a LampshadeHanging with her Pactio card title "Pupa Somnians" (''The Dreaming Doll'').

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* ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'':
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Chachamaru of ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'' has gone so far as to be capable of love. Possibly justified for her being {{Magitek}} (and a stealth cameo from an [[Manga/AILoveYou earlier series involving emotional AI]]). Her [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampire]] master Evangeline once described dreaming as "something like a memory bug".
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bug". It comes up again later, when Chachamaru starts to worry about whether she actually has a soul, so that she can make a pactio with Negi. [[spoiler: She does, and they do.]]
** It is given a LampshadeHanging
]] It's also {{lampshade|Hanging}}d with her Pactio card title "Pupa Somnians" (''The Dreaming Doll'').



* This is explored extremely in-depth in ''{{Pluto}}''. Androids have become extremely advanced to the point where it becomes very difficult to tell whether certain robots like Atom are even robots at all, and even more overtly robotic androids appear to have very human emotions.

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* This is explored extremely in-depth in ''{{Pluto}}''.''Manga/{{Pluto}}''. Androids have become extremely advanced to the point where it becomes very difficult to tell whether certain robots like Atom are even robots at all, and even more overtly robotic androids appear to have very human emotions.
23rd Apr '16 9:37:46 PM aye_amber
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* Brazilian singer Pitty basically sings about a ''BladeRunner'' android in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGz-idtX_rk Admirável Chip Novo]].

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* Brazilian singer Pitty basically sings about a ''BladeRunner'' ''Film/BladeRunner'' android in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGz-idtX_rk Admirável Chip Novo]].



* The ''VideoGame/BladeRunner'' video game from 1997 dwells on this quite a bit, which is only natural considering [[Film/BladeRunner its inspiration]].

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* The ''VideoGame/BladeRunner'' video game from 1997 dwells on this quite a bit, which is only natural considering [[Film/BladeRunner its inspiration]].inspiration.]]
17th Mar '16 5:30:59 AM Morgenthaler
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* In the film Film/IRobot, the advancement of Sonny to the point that he has dreams and emotions, while no other robot does. Sonny's creator also provides the page quote.

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* In the film Film/IRobot, ''Film/IRobot'', the advancement of Sonny to the point that he has dreams and emotions, while no other robot does. Sonny's creator also provides the page quote.



* In ''TheMegas'' song ''Lamentations of a War Machine'', Mega Man asks this of himself:

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* In ''TheMegas'' Music/TheMegas song ''Lamentations of a War Machine'', Mega Man asks this of himself:



* Upgrade of ''SteamPoweredGiraffe'' is said to have gone off to pursue her dream of becoming a princess when her actress left the band.

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* Upgrade of ''SteamPoweredGiraffe'' Music/SteamPoweredGiraffe is said to have gone off to pursue her dream of becoming a princess when her actress left the band.



* ''PrometheanTheCreated'' never really says what the title ArtificialHuman creatures dream about. They ''do'' dream, however, and if they sleep in contact with their primary element, those dreams cause their Divine Fire to throw off a spark (their {{Mana}}, Pyros). The Unfleshed, manmade machines that were infused with Azoth, are more literally attached to the question. The answer seems to be, in the end, "Not really, but they want to."
* ''{{Rifts}}'', interestingly, goes out of its way to note that full-conversion cyborgs dream when they sleep.

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* ''PrometheanTheCreated'' ''TabletopGame/PrometheanTheCreated'' never really says what the title ArtificialHuman creatures dream about. They ''do'' dream, however, and if they sleep in contact with their primary element, those dreams cause their Divine Fire to throw off a spark (their {{Mana}}, Pyros). The Unfleshed, manmade machines that were infused with Azoth, are more literally attached to the question. The answer seems to be, in the end, "Not really, but they want to."
* ''{{Rifts}}'', ''TabletopGame/{{Rifts}}'', interestingly, goes out of its way to note that full-conversion cyborgs dream when they sleep.



* ''SidMeiersAlphaCentauri'' has numerous quotes exploring both this and the flipside, cybernetic enhancement, though the game plot does not.
* Miss Bloody Rachel, the one-woman-robot BossRush in ''ViewtifulJoe 2'' is taught to feel emotions by the heroes over the course of their battles...[[DefeatMeansFriendship somehow]]. Of course, after this, her creator sees this as an irreparable glitch and electrocutes her. "What use is an android with a ''heart''?!" [[spoiler:She gets better.]]

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* ''SidMeiersAlphaCentauri'' ''VideoGame/SidMeiersAlphaCentauri'' has numerous quotes exploring both this and the flipside, cybernetic enhancement, though the game plot does not.
* Miss Bloody Rachel, the one-woman-robot BossRush in ''ViewtifulJoe ''VideoGame/ViewtifulJoe 2'' is taught to feel emotions by the heroes over the course of their battles...[[DefeatMeansFriendship somehow]]. Of course, after this, her creator sees this as an irreparable glitch and electrocutes her. "What use is an android with a ''heart''?!" [[spoiler:She gets better.]]



* In ''{{Persona 3}}'', Aegis is basically the living embodiment of this trope. When Junpei expressed surprise (and no small amount of outrage) that a "friggin' robot!" could manifest a Persona, it was explained that Aigis' AI was given an independent, self-aware personality, as well as a humanoid appearance, for that specific purpose. It backfires [[spoiler:on TheChessmaster]] when said personality grows attached to her allies, and eventually she [[spoiler:becomes fully human in everything ''but'' her physical body]].

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* In ''{{Persona ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', Aegis is basically the living embodiment of this trope. When Junpei expressed surprise (and no small amount of outrage) that a "friggin' robot!" could manifest a Persona, it was explained that Aigis' AI was given an independent, self-aware personality, as well as a humanoid appearance, for that specific purpose. It backfires [[spoiler:on TheChessmaster]] when said personality grows attached to her allies, and eventually she [[spoiler:becomes fully human in everything ''but'' her physical body]].
17th Mar '16 5:29:37 AM Morgenthaler
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* Ethan from ''Series/{{Extant}} is a prototype AI and android who is treated like a child by his creator/father John. His mother on the other hand has difficulty in treating him like her son (although she does try) and everybody else in the world treats him like a toaster. Later in the series Ethan actually has a dream, something he wasn't programed to do, raising questions over how much control they really have over him.
17th Mar '16 5:28:48 AM Morgenthaler
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** Still, it seems they retain a certain sore spot. Cut to "WE DON'T NEED YOU! WE NEED NOTHING!!!!" given to Neo in the last movie.
*** ... thus demonstrating that they've managed to develop such [[TinMan complex, irrational behaviors]] as ''pride'' and ''denial''.



** Or do they? Sonny's dreams are preprogrammed, and he is shown to be a good liar. Regardless, the question is just a single throwaway plot point, a time capsule Dr. Lanning set up ahead of time [[AIIsACrapshoot just in case...]]



** Weirdly, in the Star Trek universe, the non-sentient main computers seem easily capable of generating sentient A.I. in the form of holograms-- this isn't seen as unusual at all, this is seen as a minor annoyance. TNG had Moriarty (which the computer created in response to Geordi asking for a character to rival Data), Deep Space 9 had Vic Fontaine (this one was deliberate), and Voyager had the Doctor (who grew into the role from just considering himself a piece of software).
*** On Deep Space 9 the character Nog even directly asks Vic "When you sleep, do you dream?" but Vic leaves the question hanging.
* The humanoid Cylons of ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'' seem to be constantly struggling to figure out exactly how human they want to be, and exactly how much "better" than humans they want to be. Sometimes this is the source of conflict among themselves. Other times it seems they have found some interesting balance in some areas.
** The Cylons are an interesting study of the downsides for a machine that wants to be human. They are [[ArtificialHuman biological androids]], which means that all it takes is choking or blood loss to kill them. Without their ability to [[BrainUploading brain upload]], they'll even die of old age like the Literature/BicentennialMan. Cavil has a point when he complains about having been made so [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots ridiculously human]].
** The Cylons are also, with the exception of Cavil, firmly convinced that they have souls, and the fact that they get as many religious visions as the humans would seem to back that up.
* S.A.R.A.H., the talking smart-house in ''Series/{{Eureka}}'', apparently has emotions. To the point where she gets angry and lonely.
** Also there's Callister Raynes, an AI android created by Nathan Stark that might as well have been human. He met his end in a BittersweetEnding, where Stark assured him that God could give a soul to a machine if he wanted, as the now-corrupted data that made up Callister's AI faded away from software failure.
* Surprisingly averted in ''Series/{{Andromeda}}'': even warships are depicted as fully sentient and no one really questions it. The only real confusion comes in the form of Avatars, sentient androids who have more or less the same AI as the ship but usually see things differently. On more than one occasion, the titular ship has had an argument with herself. Even Avatars are respected as sentient beings, though; one even becomes captain of another ship.

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** Weirdly, in the Star Trek universe, the non-sentient main computers seem easily capable of generating sentient A.I. in the form of holograms-- this isn't seen as unusual at all, this is seen as a minor annoyance. TNG had Moriarty (which the computer created in response to Geordi asking for a character to rival Data), Deep Space 9 had Vic Fontaine (this one was deliberate), and Voyager had the Doctor (who grew into the role from just considering himself a piece of software).
*** On Deep Space 9 the character Nog even directly asks Vic "When you sleep, do you dream?" but Vic leaves the question hanging.
* The humanoid Cylons of ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|2003}}'' seem to be constantly struggling to figure out exactly how human they want to be, and exactly how much "better" than humans they want to be. Sometimes this is the source of conflict among themselves. Other times it seems they have found some interesting balance in some areas.
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areas. The Cylons are an interesting study of the downsides for a machine that wants to be human. They human: they are [[ArtificialHuman biological androids]], which means that all it takes is choking or blood loss to kill them. Without their ability to [[BrainUploading brain upload]], they'll even die of old age like the Literature/BicentennialMan. Cavil has a point when he complains about having been made so [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots ridiculously human]].
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human]]. The Cylons are also, with the exception of Cavil, firmly convinced that they have souls, and the fact that they get as many religious visions as the humans would seem to back that up.
* ''Series/{{Eureka}}'':
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S.A.R.A.H., the talking smart-house in ''Series/{{Eureka}}'', smart-house, apparently has emotions. To the point where she gets angry and lonely.
** Also there's Callister Raynes, Raynes is an AI android created by Nathan Stark that might as well have been human. He met his end in a BittersweetEnding, where Stark assured him that God could give a soul to a machine if he wanted, as the now-corrupted data that made up Callister's AI faded away from software failure.
* Surprisingly averted in ''Series/{{Andromeda}}'': even ''Series/{{Andromeda}}'':
** Even
warships are depicted as fully sentient and no one really questions it. The only real confusion comes in the form of Avatars, sentient androids who have more or less the same AI as the ship but usually see things differently. On more than one occasion, the titular ship has had an argument with herself. Even Avatars are respected as sentient beings, though; one even becomes captain of another ship.



* The episode "Tin Man" of ''Series/StargateSG1'' plays with this concept when the team visits an alien planet and is immediately knocked unconscious. When they wake back up in a strange room, they meet Harlan, a cheerful but mysterious man, who will only insist that he has "made them better." Eventually the team discovers that "better" means "turned into androids". [[spoiler:It isn't discovered until later that Harlan did not transform the team into androids, but made perfect android copies of the original SG-1 team, who have been held "captive" on the alien planet and that Harlan himself is an android copy of the original. When the two teams meet, they have to decide what rights each one has to the "life" that they previously each believed to be their own. There are a few SandInMyEyes moments such as when the viewer realizes that Harlan made the replicas not only to help him maintain his machinery, but also because he was lonely, and Robot O'Neil has a particularly difficult time accepting the fact that he's not the real one.]]
** The androids, left as a loose end at the end of that episode, are brought back in a later episode when it turns out that they have been [[spoiler: conducting their own missions, and have found a big threat. The two teams team up, and the by the end of the episode the androids have all died. It ties up the loose end, but comes off as being cheap.]]
* ''TheSarahConnorChronicles'' deliberately asks this question, especially with [[RobotGirl Cameron]]. interestingly, while Cameron remains an unabashedly mechanical entity ruthlessly bound by her programming to protect [[spoiler:and kill]] John Connor, within that programming she shows remarkably human-like tendencies, such as enjoying certain types of music, practicing ballet, or pondering getting a tattoo. She also shows hints of emotion in spite of being supposedly emotionless, with worries and concerns about suicide [[spoiler: after she goes "bad" and tries to kill John]], confusion and annoyance when John picks up a girlfriend, and what has to be the closest thing to ''emotionless'' angst pertaining to [[spoiler: her conflicting desires to both protect and to kill John]].

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* The episode "Tin Man" of ''Series/StargateSG1'' plays with this concept when the team visits an alien planet and is immediately knocked unconscious. When they wake back up in a strange room, they meet Harlan, a cheerful but mysterious man, who will only insist that he has "made them better." Eventually the team discovers that "better" means "turned into androids". [[spoiler:It isn't discovered until later that Harlan did not transform the team into androids, but made perfect android copies of the original SG-1 team, who have been held "captive" on the alien planet and that Harlan himself is an android copy of the original. When the two teams meet, they have to decide what rights each one has to the "life" that they previously each believed to be their own. There are a few SandInMyEyes moments such as when the viewer realizes that Harlan made the replicas not only to help him maintain his machinery, but also because he was lonely, and Robot O'Neil has a particularly difficult time accepting the fact that he's not the real one.]]
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]] The androids, left as a loose end at the end of that episode, are brought back in a later episode when it turns out that they have been [[spoiler: conducting their own missions, and have found a big threat. The two teams team up, and the by the end of the episode the androids have all died. It ties up the loose end, but comes off as being cheap.]]
* ''TheSarahConnorChronicles'' ''Series/TerminatorTheSarahConnorChronicles'' deliberately asks this question, especially with [[RobotGirl Cameron]]. interestingly, while Cameron remains an unabashedly mechanical entity ruthlessly bound by her programming to protect [[spoiler:and kill]] John Connor, within that programming she shows remarkably human-like tendencies, such as enjoying certain types of music, practicing ballet, or pondering getting a tattoo. She also shows hints of emotion in spite of being supposedly emotionless, with worries and concerns about suicide [[spoiler: after she goes "bad" and tries to kill John]], confusion and annoyance when John picks up a girlfriend, and what has to be the closest thing to ''emotionless'' angst pertaining to [[spoiler: her conflicting desires to both protect and to kill John]].
14th Mar '16 11:23:23 AM Paranoia
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* During the AdventureTime episode "B-Mo Lost", the titular robot gets his batteries wet while swimming [[NoWaterProofingInTheFuture and he nonchalantly ejects them to avoid shorting out]], then falls over completely shut off. After he's had time to dry off, somebody sticks the batteries back in, and he comes online with a cheerful yawn: "Goodmorning everyone, I didn't have any dreams!"
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