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23rd May '16 9:05:12 PM FordPrefect
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* Perfect example was Serbian Empire, a powerful state in Middle Ages Balkans, with a modern Code of Law...But after the death of a strong Emperor, it was conquered by Turks, because its Lords couldn't unite and were fighting about who would be new Emperor. It resulted in 5 centuries of bondage under the Turks(well actually the Turks only controlled Southern parts of today's Serbia, the Northern and Central parts were under the Turks only for 219 years)

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* Perfect A perfect example was the Serbian Empire, a powerful state in Middle Ages Balkans, with a modern Code of Law...But after the death of a strong Emperor, it was conquered by Turks, because its Lords couldn't unite and were fighting about who would be new Emperor. It resulted in 5 centuries of bondage under the Turks(well actually the Turks only controlled Southern parts of today's Serbia, the Northern and Central parts were under the Turks only for 219 years)



* Even when SecondSinoJapaneseWar had broken out in 1937, Yan Xishan (warlord of Shanxi province and owner of the Taiyuan arsenal, China's only manufacturer of artillery) was ''still'' more worried about avoiding being brought into the orbit of ChiangKaiShek than he was of actual military defeat by the Japanese. While he was right to suspect that Chiang wanted Taiyuan arsenal for his own troops, Chiang's real concern was preserving the railway connection to the border with Soviet Mongolia as this was the most efficient route by which Soviet aid could be delivered to his troops [[note]] Chiang Kai-Shek's Nationalist Party was the sole recipient of Soviet military and economic aid to China during the war, much to the chagrin of other organisations like the Chinese Communist Party. The Soviet aeropolanes were flown and the tanks driven in, but the machine-tools and artillery and aviation fuel etcetc all had to be transported by truck. A longer route meant that the Soviet truck-convoys would have to carry more fuel for themselves and therefore less other stuff [[/note]]. Then again, Yan's ability to retain control over his personal fiefdom despite its nominal occupation and even to ''bribe the occupying force of 15,000 Japanese troops into staying on in China under his command for four years after the Japanese surrender'' (through the literal and liberal application of gold, hookers, and heroin) shows that perhaps he had nothing to worry about from occupation after all.

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* Even when the SecondSinoJapaneseWar had broken out in 1937, Yan Xishan (warlord of Shanxi province and owner of the Taiyuan arsenal, China's only manufacturer of artillery) was ''still'' more worried about avoiding being brought into the orbit of ChiangKaiShek than he was of actual military defeat by the Japanese. While he was right to suspect that Chiang wanted Taiyuan arsenal for his own troops, Chiang's real concern was preserving the railway connection to the border with Soviet Mongolia as this was the most efficient route by which Soviet aid could be delivered to his troops [[note]] Chiang Kai-Shek's Nationalist Party was the sole recipient of Soviet military and economic aid to China during the war, much to the chagrin of other organisations like the Chinese Communist Party. The Soviet aeropolanes were flown and the tanks driven in, but the machine-tools and artillery and aviation fuel etcetc all had to be transported by truck. A longer route meant that the Soviet truck-convoys would have to carry more fuel for themselves and therefore less other stuff [[/note]]. Then again, Yan's ability to retain control over his personal fiefdom despite its nominal occupation and even to ''bribe the occupying force of 15,000 Japanese troops into staying on in China under his command for four years after the Japanese surrender'' (through the literal and liberal application of gold, hookers, and heroin) shows that perhaps he had nothing to worry about from occupation after all.



* The Roman Empire has this all the time. In many cases senators will spend most of their time arguing with each other, and would try to scapegoat or assassinate anyone they deem a threat to their post. It also faced many cases of SuccessionCrisis, with more than a dozen men have claimed the title Emperor in less than fifty years. Then the empire is split in half, with the Western Roman Empire, and the Eastern Roman Empire, which ended with the Western Empire finally falling.

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* The Roman Empire has had this all the time. In many cases senators will would spend most of their time arguing with each other, and would try to scapegoat or assassinate anyone they deem a threat to their post. It also faced many cases of SuccessionCrisis, with more than a dozen men have claimed claiming the title Emperor in less than fifty years. Then the empire is was split in half, with half into the Western Roman Empire, and the Eastern Roman Empire, Empires, which ended with the Western Empire finally falling.



* British Leyland, a conglomerate of independent British automobile marques, was (as described by ''Series/TopGear'') plagued by sectarianism with employees not wanting to work with their former competitors, which when combined with poor management and nonexistent quality control, lead them to make some [[TheAllegedCar shockingly awful vehicles]].

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* British Leyland, a conglomerate of independent British automobile marques, was (as described by ''Series/TopGear'') plagued by sectarianism with employees not wanting to work with their former competitors, which when combined with poor management and nonexistent quality control, lead led them to make some [[TheAllegedCar shockingly awful vehicles]].
23rd May '16 6:32:58 PM babyhenchy1
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** The Lannisters all hate each other more than their enemies. Tywin particularly hate Tyrion and Cersei, and the two hate Tywin and each other all the same. When it seems they have won the war, they proceed focus their anger toward each other, in the end Tyrion kills Tywin and leaves Westeros, leaving Cersei as the one running things in Kings Landing, things start going down hill fast for her and the rest of the house. The only Lannister who loves and is loved by all the others is Jaime, and once he starts drifting from them, either from Tyrion with a confession or Cersei due to his reemerging conscience (and her rejection of him), the noose around the Lannisters' neck only tightens more.

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** The Lannisters all hate each other more than their enemies. Tywin particularly hate Tyrion and Cersei, and the two hate Tywin and each other all the same. When it seems they have won the war, they proceed focus their anger toward each other, in the end Tyrion kills Tywin and leaves Westeros, leaving Cersei as the one running things in Kings Landing, things start going down hill fast for her and the rest of the house. The only Lannister who loves and is loved by all the others is Jaime, and once he starts drifting from them, either from Tyrion with a confession or Cersei due to [[HeelFaceTurn his reemerging conscience conscience]] (and her rejection of him), the noose around the Lannisters' neck only tightens more.
23rd May '16 6:32:42 PM babyhenchy1
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** The Lannisters all hate each other more than their enemies. Tywin particularly hate Tyrion and Cersei, and the two hate Tywin and each other all the same. When it seems they have won the war, they proceed focus their anger toward each other, in the end Tyrion kills Tywin and leaves Westeros, leaving Cersei as the one running things in Kings Lannding, things start going down hill fast for her and the rest of the house.

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** The Lannisters all hate each other more than their enemies. Tywin particularly hate Tyrion and Cersei, and the two hate Tywin and each other all the same. When it seems they have won the war, they proceed focus their anger toward each other, in the end Tyrion kills Tywin and leaves Westeros, leaving Cersei as the one running things in Kings Lannding, Landing, things start going down hill fast for her and the rest of the house.house. The only Lannister who loves and is loved by all the others is Jaime, and once he starts drifting from them, either from Tyrion with a confession or Cersei due to his reemerging conscience (and her rejection of him), the noose around the Lannisters' neck only tightens more.
16th May '16 12:34:17 PM Doug86
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* In Creator/RobertEHoward's "Literature/ShadowsInTheMoonlight" the {{pirate}}s after they capture Literature/ConanTheBarbarian.

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* In Creator/RobertEHoward's "Literature/ShadowsInTheMoonlight" the {{pirate}}s after they capture Literature/ConanTheBarbarian.Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian.
29th Apr '16 3:58:44 PM nombretomado
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* In Creator/RobertEHoward's "Literature/ShadowsInTheMoonlight" the {{pirate}}s after they capture ConanTheBarbarian.

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* In Creator/RobertEHoward's "Literature/ShadowsInTheMoonlight" the {{pirate}}s after they capture ConanTheBarbarian.Literature/ConanTheBarbarian.
26th Apr '16 2:10:30 PM Willbyr
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** Also, the Black Knights leaving the JLF to die. NightmareOfNunnally takes this one step further into Zero ''and'' Kyoto flatly selling them out. They were too unpredictable.

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** Also, the Black Knights leaving the JLF to die. NightmareOfNunnally ''[[Manga/CodeGeassNightmareOfNunnally Nightmare of Nunnally]]'' takes this one step further into Zero ''and'' Kyoto flatly selling them out. They were too unpredictable.
20th Apr '16 9:30:26 AM Kakai
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* The Correction Army from ''Literature/TheDinosaurLords'' is made up of forces of several different duchies. Two of them have a territorial dispute, three hate one because of class conflict, one is barely under its general's control and annoys the rest, and everyone but one of them hates their commander, who's from opposing religious faction. Suffice to say, even getting to the warzone proves to be a slog.
7th Mar '16 11:51:40 AM Morgenthaler
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* Maybourne and the NID do this a little in the first few seasons of ''Series/StargateSG1''. Particularly the episode "Politics," in which Daniel knows that the Goa'uld will attack Earth, and no one outside of the main characters believes him.

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* ''Series/StargateSG1'':
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Maybourne and the NID do this a little in the first few seasons of ''Series/StargateSG1''.seasons. Particularly the episode "Politics," in which Daniel knows that the Goa'uld will attack Earth, and no one outside of the main characters believes him.



* ''Series/TheWire'' runs on this trope.
* From ''Series/{{Torchwood}}: Children of Earth''. Say you're the British government. Say you have an alien problem. You also happen to know of an organisation which fights hostile aliens. It is willing to work with you. What are you going to do? That's right, [[spoiler:put a bomb inside their leader's stomach.]]

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* ''Series/TheWire'' runs on this trope.
trope. The office politics and rivalries within the police department and city management is InherentInTheSystem, causing investigations that would actually do something about the rampant crime rate or projects that would reverse the hollowing out of the schools to be scuttled by those higher up in the chain for the sake of their own careers, which depend on results. The result is juking of the stats and nothing being fixed.
* From ''Series/{{Torchwood}}: Children of Earth''.''Series/TorchwoodChildrenOfEarth''. Say you're the British government. Say you have an alien problem. You also happen to know of an organisation which fights hostile aliens. It is willing to work with you. What are you going to do? That's right, [[spoiler:put a bomb inside their leader's stomach.]]
7th Mar '16 11:44:48 AM Morgenthaler
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** This is also the reason why the Nazis arose in the first place. Quoting the International Socialist Review: ''Again and again [Trotsky] called for a united working class action against the Nazi movement. The reformist SPD —the largest working-class based party in Germany— feared mobilizing its ranks against Hitler, preferring parliamentary manuevers and appeals to the state instead. Trotsky argued that the the Communist Party (KPD)—which alone still did not have the forces to defeat Hitler— should propose a United Front with the Social Democrats (SPD) for the purposes of physically confronting the Nazis. Such a policy would have been gladly supported by rank-and-file workers of all political shades, would have exposed the Social Democrats' half-heartedness and would have stopped Hitler in his tracks. Sadly, the KPD followed a completely opposite strategy. Under the directives of Stalin, the KPD leaders refused to call for a United Front with the SPD, whom they insanely considered to be the “moderate wing of fascism” [social-fascism]. This policy paralyzed the working-class movement and allowed Hitler to take power without a fight.'' This disastrous strategy is what led the union leaders, party directives and congressmen of both the SPD and KPD to the concentration camps.
*** Another example, although this time it applies to the bad guys: towards the end of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, prominent Nazis were tearing each other apart to succeed Hitler, despite the advancing Allied and Soviet armies. This continued until the literal last days of the war.

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** * This is also the reason why the Nazis arose in the first place. Quoting the International Socialist Review: ''Again and again [Trotsky] called for a united working class action against the Nazi movement. The reformist SPD —the largest working-class based party in Germany— feared mobilizing its ranks against Hitler, preferring parliamentary manuevers and appeals to the state instead. Trotsky argued that the the Communist Party (KPD)—which alone still did not have the forces to defeat Hitler— should propose a United Front with the Social Democrats (SPD) for the purposes of physically confronting the Nazis. Such a policy would have been gladly supported by rank-and-file workers of all political shades, would have exposed the Social Democrats' half-heartedness and would have stopped Hitler in his tracks. Sadly, the KPD followed a completely opposite strategy. Under the directives of Stalin, the KPD leaders refused to call for a United Front with the SPD, whom they insanely considered to be the “moderate wing of fascism” [social-fascism]. This policy paralyzed the working-class movement and allowed Hitler to take power without a fight.'' This disastrous strategy is what led the union leaders, party directives and congressmen of both the SPD and KPD to the concentration camps.
*** * Another example, although this time it applies to the bad guys: towards the end of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, prominent Nazis were tearing each other apart to succeed Hitler, despite the advancing Allied and Soviet armies. This continued until the literal last days of the war.
6th Mar '16 10:08:11 AM Morgenthaler
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->''"We must, indeed, all hang together, [[GallowsHumor or assuredly we shall all hang separately]]."''

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->''"We must, indeed, all hang together, [[GallowsHumor or assuredly we shall all hang separately]].separately."''
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