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17th Jan '17 12:17:17 AM Luppercus
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* CockroachesWillRuleTheEarth: Albeit resistent to the initial burst cockroaches are affected by long-term fallout as much as most lifeforms and also require heat to survive which can be hard to find in a NuclearWinter.
15th Jan '17 9:57:54 AM esq263
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* LovePotion: Generally recognized as a form of DateRape if marriage/sexual contact results from its use.

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* LovePotion: Generally recognized as a form of DateRape if marriage/sexual contact results from its use. Still acceptable in works for kids, where anything beyond (and sometimes including) kissing is a non-issue.
13th Jan '17 8:57:32 AM Josef5678
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* EmbarrassingTattoo: This is slowly becoming a Discredited Trope for four reasons: It's becoming increasingly easy and reliable to remove tattoos or come up with cover-up designs, Tattoos (and piercings for that matter) are considerably more mainstream than they were before the mid-1990s, leading people to become savvy and avoid this trope. Also, large tattoos are expensive and require multiple sessions to complete; and no self-respecting tattoo parlor will serve anyone who is clearly under the influence of drugs or alcohol[[note]]Besides consent issues, drunk people bleed more[[/note]], or teenagers without a parent present.

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* EmbarrassingTattoo: This is slowly becoming a Discredited Trope for four reasons: It's becoming increasingly easy and reliable to remove tattoos or come up with cover-up designs, Tattoos and tattoos (and piercings for that matter) are considerably more mainstream than they were before the mid-1990s, leading people to become savvy and avoid this trope. Also, large tattoos are expensive and require multiple sessions to complete; and no self-respecting tattoo parlor will serve anyone who is clearly under the influence of drugs or alcohol[[note]]Besides consent issues, drunk people bleed more[[/note]], or teenagers nor would they serve minors without a parent present.



* IsThereADoctorInTheHouse: Now, someone would just ask someone t ~~~~+++++++++++++++++++++jlñ76666+yujkm~n.´0yj0i50iiiiiiiiuuuuuo call EmergencyServices. Especially since, due to CripplingOverspecialization, a doctor present might not even be able to ''help'' in any meaningful way, e.g. a psychiatrist or a dentist won't likely be able to do any more for someone having a heart attack or who just got hurt in an accident than a non-doctor would. Even a proper medical doctor tends not to bring his drugs and instruments when going out to dinner; if someone had a heart attack, they couldn't do more than administer CPR, which ordinary folks can do with training.

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* IsThereADoctorInTheHouse: Now, someone would just ask someone t ~~~~+++++++++++++++++++++jlñ76666+yujkm~n.´0yj0i50iiiiiiiiuuuuuo to call EmergencyServices. Especially since, due to CripplingOverspecialization, a doctor present might not even be able to ''help'' in any meaningful way, e.g. a psychiatrist or a dentist won't likely be able to do any more for someone having a heart attack or who just got hurt in an accident than a non-doctor would. Even a proper medical doctor tends not to bring his drugs and instruments when going out to dinner; if someone had a heart attack, they couldn't do more than administer CPR, which ordinary folks can do with training.
12th Jan '17 5:12:56 PM RAraya
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# A trope can be considered [[ValuesDissonance discredited in some parts of the world, but not in others]], due to differing intellectual and moral committments between cultures. For instance, StayInTheKitchen is offensive to the sensibilities of modern Western liberals, but raises far fewer eyebrows in African and Asian countries, and some variant on such was widely-held throughout most of history even in the West.

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# A trope can be considered [[ValuesDissonance discredited in some parts of the world, but not in others]], due to differing intellectual and moral committments commitments between cultures. For instance, StayInTheKitchen is offensive to the sensibilities of modern Western liberals, but raises far fewer eyebrows in African and Asian countries, and some variant on such was widely-held throughout most of history even in the West.



* ComputerEqualsMonitor: While all in one [=PCs=] and Macs do exist, it's generally considered silly to treat the computer monitor and the computer itself as one and the same in contemporary works.

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* ComputerEqualsMonitor: While all in one all-in-one [=PCs=] and Macs do exist, it's generally considered silly to treat the computer monitor and the computer itself as one and the same in contemporary works.



* DinnerWithTheBoss: Discredited around TheSeventies to TheEighties in the UnitedStates and the UK. Most if not all work-related/work networking parties/meetings/similar, anywhere in the world, are at restaurants, bars, or other public event locations, or held at the house of the boss/senior staff rather than rank-and-file employees. In Europe and Japan (as well as Latin America and most of Asia) this was how things were all along for the most part.

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* DinnerWithTheBoss: Discredited around TheSeventies to TheEighties in the UnitedStates and the UK. Most if not all work-related/work networking parties/meetings/similar, anywhere in the world, are at restaurants, bars, or other public event locations, or held at the house of the boss/senior staff rather than rank-and-file employees. In Europe and Japan (as well as Latin America and most of Asia) this was how things were all along for the most part.q



* ElvisLives: As of 2015, Elvis would be eighty years old. If he's not dead, it's likely he will be soon. You're more likely to see this used straight with someone more recently deceased like Michael Jackson, Tupac Shakur or Stevie Ray Vaughan among many others.

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* ElvisLives: As of 2015, Nowadays, Elvis would be over eighty years old. If he's not dead, it's likely he will be soon. You're more likely to see this used straight with someone more recently deceased like Michael Jackson, Tupac Shakur or Stevie Ray Vaughan among many others.



* EmbarrassingTattoo: This is slowly becoming a Discredited Trope for four reasons: It's becoming increasingly easy and reliable to remove tattoos or come up with cover-up designs, Tattoos are considerably more mainstream than they were in the past, leading people to become savvy and avoid this trope, large tattoos are expensive and require multiple sessions to complete; and no self-respecting tattoo parlor will serve anyone who is clearly under the influence of drugs or alcohol[[note]]Besides consent issues, drunk people bleed more[[/note]], or teenagers without a parent present.

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* EmbarrassingTattoo: This is slowly becoming a Discredited Trope for four reasons: It's becoming increasingly easy and reliable to remove tattoos or come up with cover-up designs, Tattoos (and piercings for that matter) are considerably more mainstream than they were in before the past, mid-1990s, leading people to become savvy and avoid this trope, trope. Also, large tattoos are expensive and require multiple sessions to complete; and no self-respecting tattoo parlor will serve anyone who is clearly under the influence of drugs or alcohol[[note]]Besides consent issues, drunk people bleed more[[/note]], or teenagers without a parent present.



* IsThereADoctorInTheHouse: Now, someone would just ask someone to call EmergencyServices. Especially since, due to CripplingOverspecialization, a doctor present might not even be able to ''help'' in any meaningful way, e.g. a psychiatrist or a dentist won't likely be able to do any more for someone having a heart attack or who just got hurt in an accident than a non-doctor would. Even a proper medical doctor tends not to bring his drugs and instruments when going out to dinner; if someone had a heart attack, they couldn't do more than administer CPR, which ordinary folks can do with training.

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* IsThereADoctorInTheHouse: Now, someone would just ask someone to t ~~~~+++++++++++++++++++++jlñ76666+yujkm~n.´0yj0i50iiiiiiiiuuuuuo call EmergencyServices. Especially since, due to CripplingOverspecialization, a doctor present might not even be able to ''help'' in any meaningful way, e.g. a psychiatrist or a dentist won't likely be able to do any more for someone having a heart attack or who just got hurt in an accident than a non-doctor would. Even a proper medical doctor tends not to bring his drugs and instruments when going out to dinner; if someone had a heart attack, they couldn't do more than administer CPR, which ordinary folks can do with training.



* NotAllowedToGrowUp: Still largely used and accepted in animation, comics and video games, but discredited in live action media.

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* NostalgiaAintLikeItUsedToBe: [[NostalgiaFilter Over-romantic depictions of the past]] fell out of favor in the 1990s because of its being overused in the 70s and 80s as well as concerns about whitewashing. Nowadays, [[DeconstructedTrope nostalgia is seen as something rather undesirable]], and is better regarded to acknowledge the depicted era's negative aspects along with its positive ones.
* NotAllowedToGrowUp: Still largely used and accepted in animation, comics and video games, but discredited in live action live-action media.



* OpenMindedParent: [[SocietyMarchesOn Shifting attitudes towards many issues]] and the fact the TeensAreMonsters trope has fell into disuse have made this more of a rule rather than an exception (to the point of replacing the BumblingDad as the most popular "father figure"). The presence of an overtly-tolerant parent is now more often than not [[ParodiedTrope spoofed]] by showing them being totally oblivious to their kids' unrealistically dangerous/unusual actions or attitudes.

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* OpenMindedParent: [[SocietyMarchesOn Shifting attitudes towards towards]] [[ValuesDissonance many issues]] and the fact the TeensAreMonsters trope has fell into disuse have made this more of a rule rather than an exception (to the point of replacing competing with the BumblingDad as the most popular "father figure"). figure" trope). The presence of an overtly-tolerant parent is now more often than not [[ParodiedTrope spoofed]] by showing them being totally oblivious to their kids' unrealistically dangerous/unusual actions or attitudes.attitudes, which ironically was not the trope's original intent.



* PoliticallyIncorrectHero: The trope has become increasingly discredited given modern social attitudes regarding discrimination, and in contrast the use of [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain politically-incorrect characters as the bad guys]] is now the rule.

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* PoliticallyIncorrectHero: The trope has become increasingly discredited given modern social attitudes regarding discrimination, and in contrast the use of [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain politically-incorrect characters as the bad guys]] is now the rule.rule (and for that matter, only on works aimed at mature audiences, killing off the RacistGrandma trope in the process), often to demonstrate [[KickTheDog how bad]] [[ForTheEvulz they are]].



** On the other hand, [[ElectronicDanceMusic EDM and related festival culture]] is fairly open about it, as are some sections of HipHop and rap, outlaw country, and underground music of various sorts. Japanese VisualKei keeps things more secretive, but SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll is still a frequent trope there if you look beyond the "official," and alcohol abuse and smoking are quite open there.

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** On the other hand, [[ElectronicDanceMusic EDM and related festival culture]] is fairly open about it, as are some sections of HipHop and rap, outlaw "outlaw" country, and underground music of various sorts. Japanese VisualKei keeps things more secretive, but SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll is still a frequent trope there if you look beyond the "official," and alcohol abuse and smoking are quite open there.



* TheThemeParkVersion: The rise of the Internet made oversimplified/stereotypical renditions of certain places or eras less believable. The trope survives thanks to [[GrandfatherClause actual theme park attractions]].



* TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth: Still pops up occasionally in particularly {{Glurge}} heavy works, but is growing increasingly unpopular and criticized due to the UnfortunateImplications it entails (implies that [[StrawNihilist life in general is somehow terrible and that being good will just get you killed]]) and how [[{{Anvilicious}} laughably heavy-handed]] uses of the trope tend to be.

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* TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth: Still pops up occasionally in particularly {{Glurge}} heavy {{Glurge}}-heavy works, but is growing increasingly unpopular and criticized due to the UnfortunateImplications it entails (implies that [[StrawNihilist life in general is somehow terrible and that being good will just get you killed]]) and how [[{{Anvilicious}} laughably heavy-handed]] uses of the trope tend to be.
12th Jan '17 2:42:16 PM Josef5678
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* IWantSong: In WesternAnimation, at least. Disney and its competitors [[StrictlyFormula milked the Broadway musical cartoon formula for all it was worth]] in the late 80's and 90's, with some of these films having song numbers like these shoehorned into them for the sake of having them (i.e. ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerryTheMovie'', ''WesternAnimation/TheThiefAndTheCobbler'' and ''WesternAnimation/QuestForCamelot''), which resulted in this trope becoming a red flag that the audience was about to watch yet ''another'' cliche musical story, and thus keep them from engaging with the characters or events--even as early as the mid 90s, Creator/{{Pixar}} had the foresight to realize the trope was heading in this direction, so their first films and everything after, such as ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'', intentionally avoided having the characters sing their motivations, or even sing at all, in order to distinguish it from those films. To put it in perspective, Toy Story was released in the same year as Disney's latest big feature ''Disney/{{Pocahontas}}''--both did well at the box office, but ''Toy Story'' was lauded as a revolution in not only its CGI technique but for it's non-standard storytelling, while Pocahontas was critically chided for falling back on this trope and other tired musical cartoon formulas. By the time companies like Creator/DreamworksAnimation began moving on from (and in the case of ''Film/{{Shrek}}'', even [[TakeThat outright mocking]]) this kind of storytelling in the early 2000's, the trope has completely fallen out of favor in mainstream feature animation. Only in recent years, with enough nostalgia for the era precedent, have works like ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'', ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' and ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' been able to non-ironically use it--but even then, it's only under the fact that these films are [[GrandfatherClause intentional homages]] to the Disney films of that time, so the trope and its accompanying genre at unlikely to become prominent again in the feature animation market. However, things are becoming complicated again, with musical ''television series'' unironically using this sort of song, popularized by ''Series/{{Glee}}'' and sustained by shows like ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' and ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', to the point that the Emmy Awards now have a musical category.

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* IWantSong: In WesternAnimation, at least. Disney and its competitors [[StrictlyFormula milked the Broadway musical cartoon formula for all it was worth]] in the late 80's and 90's, with some of these films having song numbers like these shoehorned into them for the sake of having them (i.e. ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerryTheMovie'', ''WesternAnimation/TheThiefAndTheCobbler'' and ''WesternAnimation/QuestForCamelot''), which resulted in this trope becoming a red flag that the audience was about to watch yet ''another'' cliche musical story, and thus keep them from engaging with the characters or events--even as early as the mid 90s, Creator/{{Pixar}} had the foresight to realize the trope was heading in this direction, so their first films and everything after, such as ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'', intentionally avoided having the characters sing their motivations, or even sing at all, in order to distinguish it from those films. To put it in perspective, Toy Story was released in the same year as Disney's latest big feature ''Disney/{{Pocahontas}}''--both did well at the box office, but ''Toy Story'' was lauded as a revolution in not only its CGI technique but for it's non-standard storytelling, while Pocahontas was critically chided for falling back on this trope and other tired musical cartoon formulas. By the time companies like Creator/DreamworksAnimation began moving on from (and in the case of ''Film/{{Shrek}}'', even [[TakeThat outright mocking]]) this kind of storytelling in the early 2000's, the trope has completely fallen out of favor in mainstream feature animation. Only in recent years, with enough nostalgia for the era precedent, have works like ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'', ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' and ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' been able to non-ironically use it--but even then, it's only under the fact that these films are [[GrandfatherClause intentional homages]] to the Disney films of that time, so the trope and its accompanying genre at are unlikely to become prominent again in the feature animation market. However, things are becoming complicated again, with musical ''television series'' unironically using this sort of song, popularized by ''Series/{{Glee}}'' and sustained by shows like ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' and ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', to the point that the Emmy Awards now have a musical category.
12th Jan '17 12:37:52 AM ZombieAladdin
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* {{Disaster Movie}}s involving airplanes - since ''Film/{{Airplane}}'' came out, no-one could possibly take one seriously. [[Film/{{United 93}} Unless it was based on a true story]]. One contemporary airplane disaster movie tried to play itself straight for the first part of its production process - then someone realized there were [[Film/SnakesOnAPlane snakes on the plane...]]

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* {{Disaster Movie}}s involving airplanes - since ''Film/{{Airplane}}'' came out, no-one could possibly take one seriously. [[Film/{{United 93}} Unless it was based based]] [[Film/{{Sully}} on a true story]]. One contemporary airplane disaster movie tried to play itself straight for the first part of its production process - then someone realized there were [[Film/SnakesOnAPlane snakes on the plane...]]



* FloatingPlatforms: Floating platforms are quickly becoming this in video games. Game developers are now opting for ways to make them seem more realistic to preserve immersion, such as attaching them to the surrounding terrain or making up excuses (see: {{Flight}}) as to why they're just hovering there.

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* FloatingPlatforms: Floating platforms are quickly becoming this in video games. Game developers are now opting for ways to make them seem more realistic to preserve immersion, such as attaching them to the surrounding terrain or making up excuses (see: {{Flight}}) as to why they're just hovering there. They are still often found in 2-D platformers, however, due to the difficulty of designing compelling stages without floating landmasses, as well as in LongRunners which had them from the start and [[GrandfatherClause wouldn't be the same without them]].
11th Jan '17 10:54:30 PM ZombieAladdin
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* HauntedHouse: This is somewhat discredited nowadays, with parodies, {{Abandoned Hospital}}s, and {{amusement park|OfDoom}} [[CircusOfFear attractions]] being similarly popular to the straight portrayals. It's also an enduring trope, however, with stories of haunted houses going back at least to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haunted_house ancient Romans]], making it OlderThanFeudalism.

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* HauntedHouse: This is somewhat discredited nowadays, with parodies, {{Abandoned Hospital}}s, and {{amusement park|OfDoom}} [[CircusOfFear attractions]] being similarly popular to the straight portrayals. It's also an enduring trope, however, with stories of haunted houses going back at least to the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haunted_house ancient Romans]], making it OlderThanFeudalism. It is still popular among VideoGameSettings, however (see the game-specific trope BigBoosHaunt), as it still provides a unique atmosphere and gameplay variations no other theme could logically do.
11th Jan '17 10:49:25 PM ZombieAladdin
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* IWantSong: In WesternAnimation, at least. Disney and its competitors [[StrictlyFormula milked the Broadway musical cartoon formula for all it was worth]] in the late 80's and 90's, with some of these films having song numbers like these shoehorned into them for the sake of having them (i.e. ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerryTheMovie'', ''WesternAnimation/TheThiefAndTheCobbler'' and ''WesternAnimation/QuestForCamelot''), which resulted in this trope becoming a red flag that the audience was about to watch yet ''another'' cliche musical story, and thus keep them from engaging with the characters or events--even as early as the mid 90s, Creator/{{Pixar}} had the foresight to realize the trope was heading in this direction, so their first films and everything after, such as ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'', intentionally avoided having the characters sing their motivations, or even sing at all, in order to distinguish it from those films. To put it in perspective, Toy Story was released in the same year as Disney's latest big feature ''Disney/{{Pocahontas}}''--both did well at the box office, but ''Toy Story'' was lauded as a revolution in not only its CGI technique but for it's non-standard storytelling, while Pocahontas was critically chided for falling back on this trope and other tired musical cartoon formulas. By the time companies like Creator/DreamworksAnimation began moving on from (and in the case of ''Film/{{Shrek}}'', even [[TakeThat outright mocking]]) this kind of storytelling in the early 2000's, the trope has completely fallen out of favor in mainstream feature animation. Only in recent years, with enough nostalgia for the era precedent, have works like ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'', ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' and ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' been able to non-ironically use it--but even then, it's only under the fact that these films are [[GrandfatherClause intentional homages]] to the Disney films of that time, so the trope and its accompanying genre at unlikely to become prominent again in the feature animation market.

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* IWantSong: In WesternAnimation, at least. Disney and its competitors [[StrictlyFormula milked the Broadway musical cartoon formula for all it was worth]] in the late 80's and 90's, with some of these films having song numbers like these shoehorned into them for the sake of having them (i.e. ''WesternAnimation/TomAndJerryTheMovie'', ''WesternAnimation/TheThiefAndTheCobbler'' and ''WesternAnimation/QuestForCamelot''), which resulted in this trope becoming a red flag that the audience was about to watch yet ''another'' cliche musical story, and thus keep them from engaging with the characters or events--even as early as the mid 90s, Creator/{{Pixar}} had the foresight to realize the trope was heading in this direction, so their first films and everything after, such as ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'', intentionally avoided having the characters sing their motivations, or even sing at all, in order to distinguish it from those films. To put it in perspective, Toy Story was released in the same year as Disney's latest big feature ''Disney/{{Pocahontas}}''--both did well at the box office, but ''Toy Story'' was lauded as a revolution in not only its CGI technique but for it's non-standard storytelling, while Pocahontas was critically chided for falling back on this trope and other tired musical cartoon formulas. By the time companies like Creator/DreamworksAnimation began moving on from (and in the case of ''Film/{{Shrek}}'', even [[TakeThat outright mocking]]) this kind of storytelling in the early 2000's, the trope has completely fallen out of favor in mainstream feature animation. Only in recent years, with enough nostalgia for the era precedent, have works like ''Disney/ThePrincessAndTheFrog'', ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'' and ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'' been able to non-ironically use it--but even then, it's only under the fact that these films are [[GrandfatherClause intentional homages]] to the Disney films of that time, so the trope and its accompanying genre at unlikely to become prominent again in the feature animation market. However, things are becoming complicated again, with musical ''television series'' unironically using this sort of song, popularized by ''Series/{{Glee}}'' and sustained by shows like ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'' and ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', to the point that the Emmy Awards now have a musical category.
5th Jan '17 11:20:25 PM BackgroundGuy
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* DumbAndDrummer: With ''quite a few'' very intellectual drummers existing in RealLife, the rise of Drum And Bass, dubstep, and some ''very'' technically complex forms of HeavyMetal, all of which require musical skill and competency and some degree of intelligence - alongside the trope becoming a DiscreditedMeme to some degree from simple overuse - it's become a cliche. Subverting it with having the stupidity be ObfuscatingStupidity or temporary due to AlcoholInducedIdiocy or a manic episode or the like is far more believable, ''especially'' if the band you're depicting is supposed to be expert-level musicians.
27th Dec '16 4:19:24 AM Benbeasted
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* EscortMission: Originally a stock video game challenge, they've all but disappeared in the 2010's and onwards, thanks to creators realizing that players find them [[FakeDifficulty infuriating]] rather than fun. Generally the only way you'll see something like this in a game post-2010 is in more experimental/narrative-based games, where the focus is less on challenging the player and more on making the player ''care'' about the character being escorted (see ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'' or ''VideoGame/TheWalkingDead'').

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* EscortMission: Originally a stock video game challenge, they've all but disappeared in the 2010's and onwards, thanks to creators realizing that players find them [[FakeDifficulty infuriating]] rather than fun. Generally the only way you'll see something like this in a game post-2010 is in more experimental/narrative-based games, where the focus is less on challenging the player and more on making the player ''care'' about the character being escorted (see ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'' ''VideoGame/TheLastOfUs'', ''VideoGame/BioshockInfinite'' or ''VideoGame/TheWalkingDead'').
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