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11th Sep '17 6:14:37 PM Rubber_Lotus
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** In old-school Marvel, pretty much ''everyone'' took a turn fighting Commies, from ComicBook/AntMan to ComicBook/{{Thor}}. Quickly show of hands - who remembers that the Chameleon, the very first ComicBook/SpiderMan supervillain, was originally a KGB agent?
6th Sep '17 8:29:58 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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1st Sep '17 12:16:17 PM Juneberries
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23rd Aug '17 3:09:08 PM GrammarNavi
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Dirty Communists are, essentially, Cold War-era villainous portrayals of the Soviet Union's people. After UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo, there was a very large effort to make them stock villains the same way ThoseWackyNazis were and still are. Special attention is brought to emphasizing all those wacky tropes found in GloriousMotherRussia.

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Dirty Communists are, essentially, Cold War-era villainous portrayals of the Soviet Union's people. After UsefulNotes/WorldWarTwo, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, there was a very large effort to make them stock villains the same way ThoseWackyNazis were and still are. Special attention is brought to emphasizing all those wacky tropes found in GloriousMotherRussia.



** Furthermore, the evil "General G" of the novels becomes the much more genial General Gogol in the Creator/RogerMoore movies. Gogol is very much the face of the USSR in ''Bond'' films of this age. For instance, in ''Film/{{Moonraker}}'', it is he, not the Soviet premier whom the US leadership talk to over the hotline in a crisis and in ''Film/{{Octopussy}}'' it is Gogol who personally oversees the pursuit and shooting of a warmongering traitor who wanted to invade the West. Although he is a villain in ''Film/ForYourEyesOnly'', he is far nicer than the others in the movie and Bond doesn't even attempt to hurt him. In the Brosnan era he actually becomes an elder statesman figure (albeit off-screen, due to Creator/WalterGotell's death) for the now friendly RussianFederation.

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** Furthermore, the evil "General G" of the novels becomes the much more genial General Gogol in the Creator/RogerMoore movies. Gogol is very much the face of the USSR in ''Bond'' films of this age. For instance, in ''Film/{{Moonraker}}'', it is he, not the Soviet premier whom the US leadership talk to over the hotline in a crisis and in ''Film/{{Octopussy}}'' it is Gogol who personally oversees the pursuit and shooting of a warmongering traitor who wanted to invade the West. Although he is a villain in ''Film/ForYourEyesOnly'', he is far nicer than the others in the movie and Bond doesn't even attempt to hurt him. In the Brosnan era he actually becomes an elder statesman figure (albeit off-screen, due to Creator/WalterGotell's death) for the now friendly RussianFederation.[[UsefulNotes/TheNewRussia Russian Federation]].
12th Aug '17 7:59:00 PM Thornfield13713
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** The Cardassians take over this role (appropriately updated for the late-80s-early-90s) through their sparse appearances in ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration The Next Generation]]'' and especially in ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'': vaguely described early on as an impoverished people with "deep spiritual values" who embraced a military dictatorship as a solution. Later, a decaying authoritarian super-power forced to relinquish its hold on the peoples it once held subject. Although the outright genocidal brutality and species-supremacism of their occupation of the Bajorans means that they have quite strong Nazi analogies at times. This becomes quite blatant if you listen to some of the lunch conversations between Bashir and Garak, as Garak often takes a StrawCommunist position when they debate some matter of politics or philosophy. Also, there is the title what the Cardassian's greatest creative work: ''The Neverending Sacrifice''.

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** The Cardassians take over this role (appropriately updated for the late-80s-early-90s) through their sparse appearances in ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration The Next Generation]]'' and especially in ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'': vaguely described early on as an impoverished people with "deep spiritual values" who embraced a military dictatorship as a solution. Later, a decaying authoritarian super-power forced to relinquish its hold on the peoples it once held subject. Although the outright genocidal brutality and species-supremacism of their occupation of the Bajorans means that they have quite strong Nazi analogies at times. This becomes quite blatant if you listen to some of the lunch conversations between Bashir and Garak, as Garak often takes a StrawCommunist position when they debate some matter of politics or philosophy. Also, there is the title what the Cardassian's greatest creative work: ''The Neverending Sacrifice''. This is, admittedly, slightly complicated by the fact that the Federation is described as a classless utopia without currency where people work for the common good - a pretty common vision of a Communist utopia.
11th Aug '17 7:28:37 AM Morgenthaler
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* The ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer: Red Alert'' series deals with Communist threats that start off half-way serious with an alternate continuity World War II and then go totally insane by the expansion pack ''Yuri's Revenge''.
** To the extent that even when you're ''playing as them'' they still come across as [[{{Jerkass}} jerks]]:
--->'''[[Creator/TimCurry Premier Cherdenko]]:''' We will sign this treaty, we will come together as brothers, and then... we will crush them!

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* The ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer: Red Alert'' series ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerRedAlertSeries'' deals with Communist threats that start off half-way serious with an alternate continuity World War II and then go totally insane by the expansion pack ''Yuri's Revenge''.
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Revenge''. To the extent that even when you're ''playing as them'' they still come across as [[{{Jerkass}} jerks]]:
--->'''[[Creator/TimCurry -->'''[[Creator/TimCurry Premier Cherdenko]]:''' We will sign this treaty, we will come together as brothers, and then... we will crush them!
1st Aug '17 4:57:18 PM IdumeanPatriot
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** During the fifties, ComicBook/CaptainAmerica of the very popular UsefulNotes/WorldWarII comics was set against communists. The title folded quickly because UsefulNotes/JosephMcCarthy made anti-communism very unpopular. Years later Marvel wanted to bring him back from near the end of the war. So, who was the fifties version? An [[DorkAge 'Evil' Cap and 'Evil' Bucky]] who had changed their names and faces to seem like the genuine article, made into a KnightTemplar and driven madly paranoid by a version of the Super Soldier Serum. Later Cap battled Evil Cap and Evil Bucky. Evil Bucky eventually became non-evil and sidekicked for a while before being killed; Evil Cap became a supervillain for a while, died, and recently, after the death of real Cap, came back not so evil though still slightly bent, ramping up the "righteous revolution" elements for all they're worth.

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** During the fifties, ComicBook/CaptainAmerica of the very popular UsefulNotes/WorldWarII comics was set against communists. The title folded quickly because UsefulNotes/JosephMcCarthy made anti-communism very unpopular.communists, who had inherited the Nazis' mantle as global villains in the public mind in the days of UsefulNotes/JosephMcCarthy. Years later Marvel wanted to bring him back from near the end of the war. So, who was the fifties version? An Through a RetCon by Creator/SteveEnglehart, an [[DorkAge 'Evil' Cap and 'Evil' Bucky]] who had changed their names and faces to seem like the genuine article, made into a KnightTemplar and driven madly paranoid by a version of the Super Soldier Serum. Later Cap battled Evil Cap and Evil Bucky. Evil Bucky eventually became non-evil and sidekicked for a while before being killed; Evil Cap became a supervillain for a while, died, and recently, after the death of real Cap, came back not so evil though still slightly bent, ramping up the "righteous revolution" elements for all they're worth.



** "Real" Cap in the 60s was opposed to communism and fought his share of Red enemies, however he was not in any way a [=McCarthyist=] and his best stories such as "The Madbomb" and the Nomad arc had him fighting right-wing reactionary cabals, and likewise, had him express some support for hippies against the establishment view that they were merely fifth-columnist for "hippies".

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** "Real" Cap While later characterizations increasingly abandoned this from the 1970s onward, in the 60s '60s "real" Cap was opposed to communism still really no less anti-Communist than in the '50s comics, and fought his share of Red enemies, however he enemies and subversives. He was not in any way a [=McCarthyist=] and his best stories such as "The Madbomb" and the Nomad arc had him fighting right-wing reactionary cabals, and likewise, had him express some support for hippies against the establishment view still very much convinced that they the Communists were merely fifth-columnist for "hippies".a menace to America, as this quote from an early ''Avengers'' storyline illustrates:
--->'''Captain America:''' But, be always on your guard! Their goal is nothing less than total world conquest, and world enslavement. Only constant vigilance and devotion to freedom can stop them. And remember--the [[ComicBook/TheAvengers Avengers]] always stand ready to do their part!
29th Jul '17 9:34:16 AM JulianLapostat
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** During the fifties, ComicBook/CaptainAmerica of the very popular UsefulNotes/WorldWarII comics was set against communists. The title folded quickly. Years later Marvel wanted to bring him back from near the end of the war. Who was the fifties version? An [[DorkAge 'Evil' Cap and 'Evil' Bucky]] who had changed their names and faces to seem like the genuine article, made into a KnightTemplar and driven madly paranoid by a version of the Super Soldier Serum. Later Cap battled Evil Cap and Evil Bucky. Evil Bucky eventually became non-evil and sidekicked for a while before being killed; Evil Cap became a supervillain for a while, died, and recently, after the death of real Cap, came back not so evil though still slightly bent, ramping up the "righteous revolution" elements for all they're worth.
*** The Fifties Cap fought a Communist ComicBook/RedSkull, who had supposedly transferred his allegiance from the far right to the far left simply because [[CardCarryingVillain they were the bad guys now]]. By way of RetCon, this Skull was later made an impostor. Eventually, the real Red Skull returned, was still a Nazi, and killed the pretender.
** "Real" Cap in the 60s was really no less anti-Communist than the 50s version, and fought his share of Red enemies and subversives. He was still very much convinced that the Communists were a menace to America.
--->But, be always on your guard! Their goal is nothing less than total world conquest, and world enslavement. Only constant vigilance and devotion to freedom can stop them. And remember--the [[ComicBook/TheAvengers Avengers]] always stand ready to do their part!
** Franchise/IronMan was actually created to fight these guys. Many long lasting characters like the Black Widow and some less long lasting like the Crimson Dynamo are a result of his constant battles against the 'Red Menace.'

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** During the fifties, ComicBook/CaptainAmerica of the very popular UsefulNotes/WorldWarII comics was set against communists. The title folded quickly.quickly because UsefulNotes/JosephMcCarthy made anti-communism very unpopular. Years later Marvel wanted to bring him back from near the end of the war. Who So, who was the fifties version? An [[DorkAge 'Evil' Cap and 'Evil' Bucky]] who had changed their names and faces to seem like the genuine article, made into a KnightTemplar and driven madly paranoid by a version of the Super Soldier Serum. Later Cap battled Evil Cap and Evil Bucky. Evil Bucky eventually became non-evil and sidekicked for a while before being killed; Evil Cap became a supervillain for a while, died, and recently, after the death of real Cap, came back not so evil though still slightly bent, ramping up the "righteous revolution" elements for all they're worth.
*** ** The Fifties Cap fought a Communist ComicBook/RedSkull, who had supposedly transferred his allegiance from the far right to the far left simply because [[CardCarryingVillain they were the bad guys now]]. By way of RetCon, this Skull was later made an impostor. Eventually, the real Red Skull returned, was still a Nazi, and killed the pretender.
** "Real" Cap in the 60s was really no less anti-Communist than the 50s version, opposed to communism and fought his share of Red enemies enemies, however he was not in any way a [=McCarthyist=] and subversives. He was still very much convinced his best stories such as "The Madbomb" and the Nomad arc had him fighting right-wing reactionary cabals, and likewise, had him express some support for hippies against the establishment view that the Communists they were a menace to America.
--->But, be always on your guard! Their goal is nothing less than total world conquest, and world enslavement. Only constant vigilance and devotion to freedom can stop them. And remember--the [[ComicBook/TheAvengers Avengers]] always stand ready to do their part!
merely fifth-columnist for "hippies".
** Franchise/IronMan was actually created to fight these guys. Many long lasting characters like the Black Widow and some less long lasting like the Crimson Dynamo are a result of his constant battles against the 'Red Menace.'' One of the differences between the appeal of Captain America and Iron Man, is that the former was created to fight Nazis and the latter was created to fight Communists, with Iron Man's ArchEnemy, the Mandarin being a YellowPeril caricature.
29th Jul '17 9:01:24 AM IdumeanPatriot
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** "Real" Cap in the 60s was really no less anti-Communist than the 50s version, and fought his share of Red enemies and subversives. He was still very much convinced that the Communists were a menace to America.
--->But, be always on your guard! Their goal is nothing less than total world conquest, and world enslavement. Only constant vigilance and devotion to freedom can stop them. And remember--the [[ComicBook/TheAvengers Avengers]] always stand ready to do their part!
29th Jul '17 8:59:45 AM IdumeanPatriot
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*** The Fifties Cap fought a Communist Red Skull, who had supposedly transferred his allegience from the far right to the far left simply because [[CardCarryingVillain they were the bad guys now]]. Eventually, the real Red Skull returned, was still a Nazi, and killed the pretender.

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*** The Fifties Cap fought a Communist Red Skull, ComicBook/RedSkull, who had supposedly transferred his allegience allegiance from the far right to the far left simply because [[CardCarryingVillain they were the bad guys now]].now]]. By way of RetCon, this Skull was later made an impostor. Eventually, the real Red Skull returned, was still a Nazi, and killed the pretender.
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