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26th Apr '17 6:54:26 PM Snowsky
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* One Asian Indian story involves a princess tricking Yama, the lord of death, into reviving her dead husband. When he agreed to grant her a wish for her bravery in following him to the end of the world, she wished for seven children of her own, then pointed out that she couldn't logically have had children without her husband. She won.

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* One Asian Indian story involves a princess tricking Yama, the lord of death, into reviving her dead husband. When he agreed to grant her a wish for Impressed by her bravery in following him to the end of the world, she he agreed to grant her a wish for anything except her husband's life. She wished for seven children of her own, then pointed out that she couldn't logically have had children without her husband. She won.
4th Apr '17 6:09:02 PM nombretomado
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* Spoony tells a story in his ''WebVideo/CounterMonkey'' series of a player's attempt to scam [[{{Planescape}} the Lady of Pain]] by purposefully antagonising her enough to get mazed[[note]]In short, she sends the Ne'er-do-well into a custom built, nigh-impossible to escape labyrinth[[/note]], trusting that his character's racial ability to automatically know the correct path out of any dungeon would help him. He was right! The exit? [[spoiler: 100 million miles down that straight, featureless corridor]].

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* Spoony tells a story in his ''WebVideo/CounterMonkey'' series of a player's attempt to scam [[{{Planescape}} [[TabletopGame/{{Planescape}} the Lady of Pain]] by purposefully antagonising her enough to get mazed[[note]]In short, she sends the Ne'er-do-well into a custom built, nigh-impossible to escape labyrinth[[/note]], trusting that his character's racial ability to automatically know the correct path out of any dungeon would help him. He was right! The exit? [[spoiler: 100 million miles down that straight, featureless corridor]].
2nd Apr '17 8:52:02 AM Sonofstranger
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** And completing the ''Dragonborn'' DLC also has you promise your soul to Hermaeus Mora. It makes one wonder if there are Aetherial lawsuits in the ESU.
30th Mar '17 8:34:33 PM TheNerfGuy
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** ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructs this trope]] in the Buu Arc. Super Buu demanded seeing the 'Strong Fighter'/[[spoiler:Gotenks (Goten and Trunks fused together)]] he was promised by Goku. In an effort to buy more time, Piccolo suggests that Buu amuse himself by terrorizing the people of Earth, [[DeathIsCheap knowing they can be revived with the]] [[ResetButton Dragon Balls]]. Super Buu manages it in ''two minutes'' and ''never left Kami's Lookout while doing it.'' All of humanity had essentially become a sacrificial lamb for the sake of giving Goten and Trunks just two more crucial minutes of time to train.

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** ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructs this trope]] in the Buu Arc. Super Buu demanded seeing the 'Strong Fighter'/[[spoiler:Gotenks (Goten and Trunks fused together)]] he was promised by Goku. In an effort to buy more time, Piccolo suggests that Buu amuse himself by terrorizing the people of Earth, [[DeathIsCheap knowing they can be revived with the]] [[ResetButton Dragon Balls]]. Super Buu manages it in ''two minutes'' and ''never left Kami's Lookout while doing it.'' All of humanity had essentially become a sacrificial lamb for the sake of giving Goten and Trunks just two more crucial minutes of time to train.



* In the ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'' novels, Kyon forces [[spoiler:the near-godlike Data Overmind]] to back down by threatening to [[spoiler:provoke the [[AGodAmI even more godlike]] Haruhi into recreating the universe with him, to a place where the Overmind would not exist.]] Essentially, Did You Just Blackmail Cthulhu?

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* In the ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'' novels, Kyon forces [[spoiler:the near-godlike Data Overmind]] to back down by threatening to [[spoiler:provoke the [[AGodAmI even more godlike]] Haruhi into recreating the universe with him, to a place where the Overmind would not exist.]] Essentially, Did You Just Blackmail Cthulhu?



** When the First of the Fallen killed his fellow lords of Hell and attempted to take Constantine's soul for himself, the world literally became a HellOnEarth. John was in a very tight position, and had no other options left. He even contemplated just dying, since his girlfriend, Kit Ryan, left him. But John, being a MagnificentBastard, used a series of {{Gambit Roulette}}s. The first came when he made a scheme to recruit the {{Archangel Gabriel}}. He did this by using a succubus to seduce Gabriel and rip his heart out. With his heart in John's hands, Gabriel was under John's control, and tried to use him to fight the First. The plan soon failed when the First heard of it from one of John's friends, and killed Gabriel by destroying his heart. The second came when John surrendered himself to the First. John entertained him with a series of his own ideas of the world that contradicted that of the Devil's. While chatting, John's succubus friend stabbed The First with the Twin Blade, a knife that can kill anyone--even the First--with one strike. The First died... [[TheEndOrIsIt or did he]]?

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** When the First of the Fallen killed his fellow lords of Hell and attempted to take Constantine's soul for himself, the world literally became a HellOnEarth. John was in a very tight position, and had no other options left. He even contemplated just dying, since his girlfriend, Kit Ryan, left him. But John, being a MagnificentBastard, used a series of {{Gambit Roulette}}s. The first came when he made a scheme to recruit the {{Archangel Gabriel}}. He did this by using a succubus to seduce Gabriel and rip his heart out. With his heart in John's hands, Gabriel was under John's control, and tried to use him to fight the First. The plan soon failed when the First heard of it from one of John's friends, and killed Gabriel by destroying his heart. The second came when John surrendered himself to the First. John entertained him with a series of his own ideas of the world that contradicted that of the Devil's. While chatting, John's succubus friend stabbed The First with the Twin Blade, a knife that can kill anyone--even the First--with one strike. The First died... [[TheEndOrIsIt or did he]]?



* Seen at in at least two instances in the comics ''ComicBook/{{Preacher}}'' which results in [[spoiler:God getting killed (yes that means the Christian God, who is essentially the BigBad of the series)]]

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* Seen at in at least two instances in the comics ''ComicBook/{{Preacher}}'' which results in [[spoiler:God getting killed (yes that means the Christian God, who is essentially the BigBad of the series)]]



* Speaking of Thanos, he also at one point literally scammed [[TheDevil Mephisto]]. [[JackassGenie "You wanted a cosmic cube but didn't specify it had to be functioning..."]]

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* Speaking of Thanos, he also at one point literally scammed [[TheDevil Mephisto]]. [[JackassGenie "You wanted a cosmic cube but didn't specify it had to be functioning..."]]



* Happens to an extent in ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''--specifically, the story of the Downfall of Númenor, where [[MagnificentBastard Sauron]] essentially manipulates [[{{God}} Eru Ilúvatar]] into destroying the Númenórean empire for him. Also subverted in that Sauron only intended for [[CouncilOfAngels the Valar]] to get involved, and the amount of power Ilúvatar was packing was enough to kill Sauron as well. Of course as anyone who's read ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' could tell you, Sauron came BackFromTheDead, and at any rate it's impressive to set up a situation where God wipes out your enemies for you in a 'verse where God is both competent and good. It was implied that Númenórean dominion over the world had in the end become worse than Sauron's ever was, so Eru may simply have chosen lesser evil.

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* Happens to an extent in ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''--specifically, the story of the Downfall of Númenor, where [[MagnificentBastard Sauron]] essentially manipulates [[{{God}} Eru Ilúvatar]] into destroying the Númenórean empire for him. Also subverted in that Sauron only intended for [[CouncilOfAngels the Valar]] to get involved, and the amount of power Ilúvatar was packing was enough to kill Sauron as well. Of course as anyone who's read ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' could tell you, Sauron came BackFromTheDead, and at any rate it's impressive to set up a situation where God wipes out your enemies for you in a 'verse where God is both competent and good. It was implied that Númenórean dominion over the world had in the end become worse than Sauron's ever was, so Eru may simply have chosen lesser evil.



** The Malconvoker PrestigeClass specializes in summoning evil extraplanar creatures and ''tricking'' them into serving good causes. High-level Malconvokers acquire demon lords as their patrons who provide them with great power under the false impression that they're using that power to spread misery and destruction. In reality they're using it to slay monsters and bring down corrupt rulers, making the world a better place on the sly. Needless to say, a successful Malconvoker puts every skill point they can into Bluff...

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** The Malconvoker PrestigeClass specializes in summoning evil extraplanar creatures and ''tricking'' them into serving good causes. High-level Malconvokers acquire demon lords as their patrons who provide them with great power under the false impression that they're using that power to spread misery and destruction. In reality they're using it to slay monsters and bring down corrupt rulers, making the world a better place on the sly. Needless to say, a A successful Malconvoker puts every skill point they can into Bluff...



* Probably the most clever of them all, Lillet Blan from ''VideoGame/GrimGrimoire'' tricks a very powerful demon into [[spoiler: leaving the human it's possessing by asking for a wish from it at the cost of her soul, and then wishes for the demon to DEVOTE ITSELF TO GOD. Needless to say, the demon refuses... which sends it back to Hell.]] In fact, her plot is so impressive that the local would-be MagnificentBastard Devil Advocat actually backs her on the deal. And to top it all off, [[spoiler: that demon was summoned in order to get rid of what was the BigBad until then. Lillet successfully {{wishplo|sion}}ded two beings way out of even her league.]]
* The plot of ''VideoGame/MarvelUltimateAlliance'' is essentially Dr. Doom making a ChainOfDeals that winds up suckering or screwing over most of the other villains in the universe, including gods like Loki, Mephisto, and Odin.

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* Probably the most clever of them all, Lillet Blan from ''VideoGame/GrimGrimoire'' tricks a very powerful demon into [[spoiler: leaving the human it's possessing by asking for a wish from it at the cost of her soul, and then wishes for the demon to DEVOTE ITSELF TO GOD. Needless to say, the The demon refuses... which sends it back to Hell.]] In fact, her plot is so impressive that the local would-be MagnificentBastard Devil Advocat actually backs her on the deal. And to top it all off, [[spoiler: that demon was summoned in order to get rid of what was the BigBad until then. Lillet successfully {{wishplo|sion}}ded two beings way out of even her league.]]
* The plot of ''VideoGame/MarvelUltimateAlliance'' is essentially Dr. Doom making a ChainOfDeals that winds up suckering or screwing over most of the other villains in the universe, including gods like Loki, Mephisto, and Odin.
12th Mar '17 8:55:19 PM Odacon_Spy
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** Another example occurs in the in-game text ''Azura and the Box'', where an old Dwemer philosopher manages to prove Azura, an all-knowing Daedra associated with the spheres of dire prophecy and petty revenge, wrong in front of live audience. Since he isn't a protagonist, [[BrokeYourArmPunchingOutCthulhu this doesn't end well for him or any of the surrounding survivors.]] The book notes that the ending differs based on which races is telling the tale: in the Dunmer version, for example, [[SubvertedTrope Azura easily saw through his attempted legerdemain]] and [[DoNotTauntCthulhu squashed him like a bug]].

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** Another example occurs in the in-game text ''Azura and the Box'', where an old Dwemer philosopher manages to prove Azura, an all-knowing Daedra associated with the spheres of dire prophecy and petty revenge, wrong in front of live audience. Since he isn't a protagonist, [[BrokeYourArmPunchingOutCthulhu this doesn't end well for him or any of the surrounding survivors.]] witnesses]]. The book notes that the ending differs based on which races is telling the tale: in the Dunmer version, for example, [[SubvertedTrope Azura easily saw through his attempted legerdemain]] and [[DoNotTauntCthulhu squashed him like a bug]].
12th Mar '17 8:52:40 PM Odacon_Spy
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** Another example occurs in the in-game text ''Azura and the Box'', where an old Dwemer philosopher manages to prove Azura, an all-knowing Daedra associated with the spheres of dire prophecy and petty revenge, wrong in front of live audience. Since he isn't a protagonist, [[BrokeYourArmPunchingOutCthulhu this doesn't end well for him or any of the surrounding survivors.]] The book notes that the ending differs based on which races is telling the tale: in the Dunmer version, for example, [[SubvertedTrope: Azura easily saw through his attempted legerdemain]] and [[DoNotTauntCthulhu squashed him like a bug]].

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** Another example occurs in the in-game text ''Azura and the Box'', where an old Dwemer philosopher manages to prove Azura, an all-knowing Daedra associated with the spheres of dire prophecy and petty revenge, wrong in front of live audience. Since he isn't a protagonist, [[BrokeYourArmPunchingOutCthulhu this doesn't end well for him or any of the surrounding survivors.]] The book notes that the ending differs based on which races is telling the tale: in the Dunmer version, for example, [[SubvertedTrope: [[SubvertedTrope Azura easily saw through his attempted legerdemain]] and [[DoNotTauntCthulhu squashed him like a bug]].
12th Mar '17 10:31:47 AM MasterFuzzy
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* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' has [[MagnificentBastard Doctor Stephen Strange]], who sets up a GambitRoulette involving, amongst others, Loki, a MagnificentBastard in his own right, Odin, who's even better than Loki, [[EldritchAbomination Chthon]], and [[spoiler: the Phoneix Force/Destruction of the Endless]].
8th Mar '17 12:07:45 AM DrFraud
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Contrast EvilIsNotAToy when someone attempts to invoke either this trope or make a DealWithTheDevil, but fails.

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Contrast EvilIsNotAToy when someone attempts to either invoke either this trope or make a DealWithTheDevil, but fails.
27th Jan '17 9:56:17 AM Tacitus
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* ''Comicbook/FiftyTwo'': [[spoiler: Ralph Dibney uses his own death to trap Neron, DC's Devil-standin, in statis forever.]]

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* ''Comicbook/FiftyTwo'': [[spoiler: Ralph Dibney uses his own death to trap Neron, DC's Devil-standin, in statis stasis forever.]]



* In ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'' the good Doctor manages to [[spoiler:''beat [[EldritchAbomination Dormammu]]'' by using the Eye of Agammoto to create a GroundhogDayLoop inside the Dark Dimension because it lacks time, whereas the Eye has the Time Stone in it, allowing Strange to be a TimeMaster and uses it to set up a loop to right before he speaks to Dormammu that activates upon his death. We're not shown how many loops happened, but it's implied to be much more than the several shown. Doctor Strange used our laws of time and space to make an EldritchAbomination ''beg for mercy''. To reiterate: Strange made the eternal keeper and tormentor of souls not only beg him for mercy, but bargain for his ''own'' freedom in an incredibly one-sided deal. He essentially causes a metaphysical RageQuit because ''Dormammu cannot understand the concept of time'' because the Dark Dimension lacks it. He ''annoys an EldritchAbomination into submission'' and turned five words into an EarWorm.]]
-->'''Strange''': [[spoiler:Dormammu, I've come to bargain!]]

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* In ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'' the climax of ''Film/DoctorStrange2016'', [[spoiler:the good Doctor manages to [[spoiler:''beat beat [[EldritchAbomination Dormammu]]'' Dormammu]] by using the Eye of Agammoto to create a GroundhogDayLoop inside the entering his Dark Dimension because it with the eye of Agammoto. The Dark Dimension lacks a normal progression of time, whereas while the Eye has the Time Stone in within it, allowing Strange to be a TimeMaster and uses it to set up a loop GroundhogDayLoop as he comes to right before he speaks to bargain. Dormammu that activates upon his death. We're not shown how many loops happened, but it's implied to be much more than the several shown. Doctor can effortlessly kill Strange used our laws of time - [[TheManyDeathsOfYou and space does so, repeatedly]] - but Strange keeps resetting the loop until Dormammu is ''begging'' him to make an EldritchAbomination ''beg for mercy''. To reiterate: it stop, and agrees to retreat so Strange made the eternal keeper and tormentor of souls not only beg can let him for mercy, but bargain for his ''own'' freedom in an incredibly one-sided deal. He essentially causes a metaphysical RageQuit because ''Dormammu cannot understand the concept of time'' because the Dark Dimension lacks it. He ''annoys an EldritchAbomination into submission'' and turned five words into an EarWorm.]]
-->'''Strange''': [[spoiler:Dormammu, I've come to bargain!]]
successfully RageQuit.]]



* ''Literature/BelisariusSeries'' had several medieval Europeans able to outwit Link; a superrobot from millions of years in the future. Most notably Belisarius but also Damadora and Narses. Narses actually managed to deceive Link looking right in her face, in spite of the ability to otherwise tell when someone is lying to her.

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* ''Literature/BelisariusSeries'' had several medieval Europeans able to outwit Link; Link, a superrobot from millions of years in the future. Most notably Belisarius but also Damadora and Narses. Narses actually managed to deceive Link looking right in her face, in spite of the ability to otherwise tell when someone is lying to her.



** In one novel, Cohen the Barbarian has to roll a 7 with one six-sided die. Naturally, being a Hero, he takes the most awesome method and ''cuts the die in two while it is spinning in the air'', rolling a 7 and cheating Fate at the same time. Notably, he drew inspiration from an in-universe version of the Gordian knot story, which at the time his companions declared to be cheating (Cohen himself was a little more introspective about it). He must have reckoned there's no reason to play fair with gods, who aren't known for their tendency to do so.
** Another example, Granny Weatherwax once cheated Death at a card game. Then threatened him. Though he let her win, because he's just that kind of guy, and because Granny Weatherwax is no one to be trifled with.

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** In one novel, ''Discworld/TheLastHero'', Cohen the Barbarian has to roll sell a 7 with one six-sided die. Naturally, being a Hero, he takes the most awesome method and ''cuts the die in two while it is spinning in the air'', GodGuise by rolling a 7 on a six-sided dice. Being a Hero, he tosses the die in the air and cheating Fate at slices it in half with his sword, so that the same time. pieces land on a 1 and 6. Notably, he drew inspiration from an in-universe version of the [[CuttingTheKnot Gordian knot knot]] story, which at the time and while his companions declared it to be cheating (Cohen himself was a little more introspective about it). He cheating, Cohen must have reckoned there's no reason to play fair with gods, who aren't known for their tendency to do so.
** Another example, In ''Discworld/{{Maskerade}}'', Granny Weatherwax once cheated [[ChessWithDeath challenges Death at to a card game. Then threatened him. Though he let her win, because he's just that kind poker game over the soul of guy, a dying child]]. Granny initially tries to cheat, but Death insists they swap hands - and then concedes, because Granny Weatherwax is no one to be trifled with.ends up with four Queens, leaving Death with only [[AC:[[DontFearTheReaper "four ones."]]]] Of course, Granny would've broken his arm if she'd lost, but still.



** In the optional sourcebook ''Tome of Magic'', one of the vestiges (beings that exist outside of reality) was originally a prolific thief (possibly a kleptomaniac) who, upon his deathbed, renounced all of the theft he had done in life, thus effectively stealing ''his very soul'' out of the hands of Olidammara, deity of thieves as a way of proving himself the most worthy of the deity's devotion. Olidammara was pissed at first, but then realised the sheer audacity of his actions and was about to accept him with open arms (and minimal chance of pickpocketing) when the deity realised that accepting his soul in the afterlife would prevent his incredible theft. Since Olidammara didn't want the soul to go to anyone else, [[TheNothingAfterDeath the thief's soul ended up outside of all known forms of reality; existing in no plane or identifiable location beyond 'nowhere']].
** A ''Dungeons and Dragons'' character class, the Malconvoker, specializes in summoning evil extraplanar creatures and ''tricking'' them into serving good causes. High-level Malconvokers acquire demon lords as their patrons who provide them with great power under the false impression that they're using that power to spread misery and destruction. In reality they're using it to slay monsters and bring down corrupt rulers, making the world a better place on the sly. Needless to say, a successful Malconvoker puts every skill point they can into Bluff....

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** In the optional sourcebook The ''Tome of Magic'', one of Magic'' tells the vestiges (beings that exist outside story of reality) was originally Andromalius, a prolific thief (possibly a kleptomaniac) who, upon former herald of Olidammara, god of rogues and tricksters. On his deathbed, renounced all Andromalius repented of the theft he had done in life, thus his lifetime of thievery and mischief, effectively stealing ''his very soul'' out of the hands of Olidammara, deity of thieves as a way of his soul from his own deity, thus proving himself as the most worthy of greatest prankster in history. Olidammara quickly saw the deity's devotion. humor in this, yet was faced with a conundrum - if he accepted Andromalius' soul it would ruin the joke, but Olidammara was pissed at first, but then realised the sheer audacity also leery of his actions and was about letting such a clever servant go to accept him with open arms (and minimal chance of pickpocketing) when the deity realised that accepting his soul in the afterlife would prevent his incredible theft. Since another deity. So Olidammara didn't want the stole Andromalius' soul to go to anyone else, [[TheNothingAfterDeath and hid it from the thief's soul ended up outside rest of all known forms of reality; existing in no plane or identifiable location the cosmos as a vestige, an entity beyond 'nowhere']].
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** The Malconvoker PrestigeClass
specializes in summoning evil extraplanar creatures and ''tricking'' them into serving good causes. High-level Malconvokers acquire demon lords as their patrons who provide them with great power under the false impression that they're using that power to spread misery and destruction. In reality they're using it to slay monsters and bring down corrupt rulers, making the world a better place on the sly. Needless to say, a successful Malconvoker puts every skill point they can into Bluff....Bluff...
23rd Jan '17 9:12:29 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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* The way the heroine from the first ''Film/{{Wishmaster}}'' movie gets the best of the evil JerkassGenie. [[spoiler:He can't grant a wish that directly affects him, so she can't just wish that he stuffs himself back in his lamp. She's down to her third and final wish, and after she makes that wish he'll be free to run amok and destroy the world, and he's forcing her to take action by murdering and torturing [[AndYourLittleDogToo people around the heroine]]. So, with some clever thinking, she comes up with a wish that will work: she wishes that a specific crane operator hadn't been drunk on the job a few days ago. That crane operator had dropped and destroyed the statue that the genie [[SealedEvilInACan had been trapped inside of]], so the wish undoes everything the genie had done and winds up with him imprisoned again.]]

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* The way the heroine from the first ''Film/{{Wishmaster}}'' movie gets the best of the evil JerkassGenie.JackassGenie. [[spoiler:He can't grant a wish that directly affects him, so she can't just wish that he stuffs himself back in his lamp. She's down to her third and final wish, and after she makes that wish he'll be free to run amok and destroy the world, and he's forcing her to take action by murdering and torturing [[AndYourLittleDogToo people around the heroine]]. So, with some clever thinking, she comes up with a wish that will work: she wishes that a specific crane operator hadn't been drunk on the job a few days ago. That crane operator had dropped and destroyed the statue that the genie [[SealedEvilInACan had been trapped inside of]], so the wish undoes everything the genie had done and winds up with him imprisoned again.]]


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* One joke involves a man in a hat making a DealWithTheDevil in exchange for all his earthly desires to be granted. Years later, the devil returns to collect, only for the man to remove his hat, revealing a magnificent flame-red mane. The joke, of course, being that [[DisabilityImmunity gingers have no souls]].
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