History Main / DevilButNoGod

18th Apr '18 12:01:57 PM Calllack
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Works of fantasy frequently contain a powerful evil spiritual being who's behind most or all of the evil in the world, a {{Satan}}-figure or chief GodOfEvil. This Devil is a very real being with followers, worshippers and real power, who takes an active hand in making trouble for the world. But in an odd twist, a lot of stories leave out the Devil's good counterpart; either there is no benevolent God, or he's only talked about and [[TheGodsMustBeLazy never actually does anything]]. This is particularly JustForFun/{{egregious}} if the series makes a big deal of the BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil.

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Works of fantasy frequently contain a powerful evil spiritual being who's behind most or all of the evil in the world, a {{Satan}}-figure {{Satan}} (or [[SatanicArchetype satanic figure]]) or chief GodOfEvil. This Devil is a very real being with followers, worshippers and real power, who takes an active hand in making trouble for the world. But in an odd twist, a lot of stories leave out the Devil's good counterpart; either there is no benevolent God, or he's only talked about and [[TheGodsMustBeLazy never actually does anything]]. This is particularly JustForFun/{{egregious}} if the series makes a big deal of the BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil.
12th Apr '18 8:58:52 PM SpitbreakFTW
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It's worth noting that the Abrahamic religions (UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}}, UsefulNotes/{{Islam}}, and UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}}) tend to forbid visual ''depictions'' of God (the argument being that [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm it's impossible for a human to accurately depict an all-powerful, incomprehensible being beyond all space-time]], and they probably have a point), so this trope may exist out of respect to such traditions.

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It's worth noting that the Abrahamic religions (UsefulNotes/{{Judaism}}, UsefulNotes/{{Islam}}, and UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}}) tend to forbid visual ''depictions'' of God (the argument being that [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm it's impossible for a human to accurately depict an all-powerful, incomprehensible being beyond all space-time]], and they probably have though most versions of the Bible explicitly say God created man in His image, meaning God would look like a point), human), so this trope may exist out of respect to such traditions.
28th Mar '18 2:38:26 PM Hodor2
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* Ambiguously the case in the ''Literature/JohannesCabal'' books. In ''Literature/JohannesCabalTheNecromancer'', {{Satan}}} refers to himself as being a fallen angel (in line with Christian religion/mythology)and tortures the damned in FireAndBrimstoneHell, and Cabal seems to be believe that God exists, but [[GodAndSatanAreBothJerks doesn't like him either]] and believes that Heaven is [[AHellOfHeaven also unpleasant]], involving a loss of individuality. However, in a later book, ''Literature/JohannesCabalAndTheFearInstitute'', Cabal meets Nyarlathotep, who claims during a BreakingSpeech that there is no Satan/God/Hell/Heaven, and in reality, Satan is just one of his masks, and merely believes himself to be a separate entity, and for his amusement, Nyarlathotep likes to torture bad souls and give good ones the "gift" of a CessationOfExistence. This is seemingly born out by a scene where Cabal (admittedly while trapped in a LotusEaterMachine created by Nyarlathotep) has a vision of Satan and Hell and thinks he looks a lot like Nyarlathotep's human form. Although it is possible that Nyarlathotep was just saying this to MindRape Cabal, and there are indications that demons and devils exist independently of him, there's nothing that challenges Nyarlathotep's claims about God and Heaven.
25th Mar '18 3:32:27 AM Bosco13
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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode, ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS23E16HowIWetYourMother How I Wet Your Mother]]'', as the family are falling to their deaths, Professor Drink tells them that he's managed to prove there's no Heaven but that He'll exists and everybody goes there. Though God and Heaven have appeared in other episodes.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode, ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS23E16HowIWetYourMother How I Wet Your Mother]]'', as the family are falling to their deaths, Professor Drink Frink tells them that he's managed to prove there's no Heaven but that He'll exists and everybody goes there. Though God and Heaven have appeared in other episodes.
25th Mar '18 3:31:46 AM Bosco13
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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode, ''[[Recap/TheSimpsonsS23E16HowIWetYourMother How I Wet Your Mother]]'', as the family are falling to their deaths, Professor Drink tells them that he's managed to prove there's no Heaven but that He'll exists and everybody goes there. Though God and Heaven have appeared in other episodes.
24th Mar '18 3:02:23 PM Xlsfd
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* [[AvertedTrope Averted]] in ''WesternAnimation/{{Castlevania}}''. [[spoiler:In episode 4, Blue Fangs, one of Dracula's demons, references God when he enters the cathedral of Gresit to kill the [[SinisterMinister corrupt bishop]] who is responsible for the literal HellOnEarth.]]
->'''[[spoiler:Blue Fangs: God is not here. This is an empty box.]]'''
->'''[[spoiler:Blue Fangs: Your life's work makes Him puke.]]'''
->'''[[spoiler:Blue Fangs: Your God's love is not unconditional. He does not love us. And He does not love you.]]'''
8th Mar '18 5:54:22 AM TheMountainKing
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* In ComicBook/TheSandman, we're introduced to Lucifer Morningstar, who for all intents and purposes is Satan; he and several other powerful demons preside over Hell. While there are also angels and we're offered a glimpse of Heaven, God is only briefly mentioned in passing. There are many deities and spirits from various mythologies represented in the series, but the Judeo-Christian God never makes an appearance.

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* In ComicBook/TheSandman, ''ComicBook/TheSandman'', we're introduced to Lucifer Morningstar, who for all intents and purposes is Satan; he Morningstar and several other powerful demons preside over Hell. While there are also angels and we're offered a glimpse of Heaven, God is only briefly mentioned in passing. There are many deities and spirits from various mythologies represented in the series, but the Judeo-Christian Abrahamic God never makes an appearance.
11th Feb '18 5:10:23 PM Fireblood
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** While its finally outright stated in the last book, it was rather heavily hinted at since shortly after his first appearance.

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** While its it's finally outright stated in the last book, it was rather heavily hinted at since shortly after his first appearance.
15th Jan '18 4:57:21 PM Discar
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* ''VideoGame/{{DOOM 2016}}'': Subverted. While we only ever see demons and Hell in the game, Doomguy is the last survivor of a world called Argent D'nur, which was filled with holy energy. We don't get much detail on it, but it sounds like a particularly militant Heaven. [[CrapsackWorld Of course]], the demons conquered in millennia ago and corrupted its Argent Energy into Hell Energy.

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* ''VideoGame/{{DOOM 2016}}'': Subverted. While we only ever see demons and Hell in the game, Doomguy is the last survivor of a world called Argent D'nur, which was filled with holy energy. We don't get much detail on it, but it sounds like a particularly militant Heaven. [[CrapsackWorld Of course]], the demons conquered in it millennia ago and corrupted its Argent Energy into Hell Energy.
15th Jan '18 4:26:06 PM Discar
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* ''VideoGame/{{Dishonored}}'': The only divinity of any kind is the Outsider, an EnigmaticEmpoweringEntity who the Abbey teach is the root of all corruption and evil in the world. There is no mention of any GoodCounterpart. The truth is that the Outsider is just an old, impartial observer who occasionally gifts downtrodden people with extraordinary power to see what they do with it. The vast majority of the villains in the games have no magical abilities whatsoever. In ''VideoGame/DishonoredDeathOfTheOutsider'', it turns out that [[spoiler:the Outsider was once just a random street rat who was murdered in a ritual that merged him with the Void and turned him into a god. The cult that did this wanted to put a face to the Void so that it could be controlled instead of being subject to its random fluctuations. The cult eventually evolved into the Abbey, scapegoating the Outsider despite knowing that he was never the ultimate evil]].
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