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28th Jul '17 9:36:53 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'': ComicBook/LexLuthor has occasionally tried to conquer the world, and unlike Doctor Doom, he usually doesn't care quite so much that the world might be better off under him anyway.
** Also Mongul. He rules, or ruled, the planet of Warworld, where [[BreadAndCircuses he held brutal gladiatorial games to distract the people from their miserable, impoverished lives under his dictatorship]]. Originally, he ruled his own homeworld, but was ousted by the native people for his despotic behaviour.

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ComicBook/LexLuthor has occasionally tried to conquer the world, and unlike Doctor Doom, he usually doesn't care quite so much that the world might be better off under him anyway.
** Also Mongul. He Mongul rules, or ruled, the planet of Warworld, where [[BreadAndCircuses he held brutal gladiatorial games to distract the people from their miserable, impoverished lives under his dictatorship]]. Originally, he ruled his own homeworld, but was ousted by the native people for his despotic behaviour.
27th Jul '17 9:02:50 PM Nintendoman01
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-->'''Gedfryn:''' Does he not spare a thought to what he's doing, the means to his ends?\\
'''Guts:''' That's not quite right. For him it's the opposite. The means ''are'' his ends. Getting his country...is just...another step on the way. He seeks to soar to ever-greater heights. That's the Hawk. That's Griffith.
27th Jul '17 6:37:01 AM Nintendoman01
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* ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'': Griffith only cares about acquiring power and achieving his dream of running a kingdom, and he will stop at ''nothing'' to achieve it, up to and including [[spoiler:cracking open the Astral Plane and fusing it with the physical world, turning an already CrapsackWorld into a literal HellOnEarth]].

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* ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'': Griffith only cares about acquiring power and achieving his dream of running a kingdom, and he will stop at ''nothing'' to achieve it, up to and including [[spoiler:cracking open the Astral Plane and fusing it with the physical world, turning an already CrapsackWorld into a literal HellOnEarth]]. Guts even states outright that Griffith won't stop at just a country; he will ''always'' want more power.
2nd Jul '17 7:36:31 AM Shadowgazer
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This is not to say that they will not care what society looks like after they take over, or that they will have no [[VisionaryVillain visions for the future]]. It simply means that power is their primary goal, and they will do anything to achieve that, even sacrifice whatever beliefs they may have. On the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, they tend to be very much on the Cynical side. In other words, they may suffer from MotiveDecay when it turns out that the [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans Utopia]] they promised to build has been sacrificed for the sake of their own personal power.

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This is not to say that they will not care what society looks like after they take over, or that they will have no [[VisionaryVillain visions for the future]]. It simply means that power is their primary goal, and they will do anything to achieve that, even sacrifice whatever beliefs they may have. Some of them are vain and petty enough however to care only about them being number one and not willing to accept any form of responsibility which such power would entail. On the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, they tend to be very much on the Cynical side. In other words, they may suffer from MotiveDecay when it turns out that the [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans Utopia]] they promised to build has been sacrificed for the sake of their own personal power.
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14th Jun '17 11:08:06 AM Luigifan
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For cases when the created Dystopia really is their endgame, more than power, see DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans. For cases in which the despotism has positive side effects, see PragmaticVillainy. See also AmbitionIsEvil.

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For cases when the created Dystopia really is their endgame, more than power, see DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans. For cases in which the despotism has positive side effects, see PragmaticVillainy. See also AmbitionIsEvil.
AmbitionIsEvil (this mindset requires a certain (read: very high) level of ambition) and ControlFreak (which is essentially this on a smaller scale).
10th Jun '17 4:15:54 PM Az_Tech341
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This is not to say that they will not care what society looks like after they take over, or that they will have no [[VisionaryVillain visions for the future]]. It simply means that power is their primary goal, and they will do anything to achieve that, even sacrifice whatever beliefs they may have. On the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, they tend to be very much on the Cynical side. In other words they may suffer from MotiveDecay when it turns out that the [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans Utopia]] they promised to build has been sacrificed for the sake of their own personal power.

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This is not to say that they will not care what society looks like after they take over, or that they will have no [[VisionaryVillain visions for the future]]. It simply means that power is their primary goal, and they will do anything to achieve that, even sacrifice whatever beliefs they may have. On the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism, they tend to be very much on the Cynical side. In other words words, they may suffer from MotiveDecay when it turns out that the [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans Utopia]] they promised to build has been sacrificed for the sake of their own personal power.
8th Jun '17 11:19:10 AM Luigifan
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Total global domination is the most common of all villainous goals. But with this trope, the BigBad takes it too far.

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Total global domination is the most common of all villainous goals. But with this trope, the BigBad takes it too far.\\



For cases when the created Dystopia really is their endgame, more than power, see DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans. For cases in which the despotism has positive side effects, see PragmaticVillainy.

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For cases when the created Dystopia really is their endgame, more than power, see DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans. For cases in which the despotism has positive side effects, see PragmaticVillainy.
PragmaticVillainy. See also AmbitionIsEvil.



* ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'': Griffith only cares about acquiring power and achieving his dream of running a kingdom, and he will stop at ''nothing'' to achieve it, up to and including [[spoiler: cracking open the Astral Plane and fusing it with the physical world, turning an already CrapsackWorld into a literal HellOnEarth]].

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* ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'': Griffith only cares about acquiring power and achieving his dream of running a kingdom, and he will stop at ''nothing'' to achieve it, up to and including [[spoiler: cracking [[spoiler:cracking open the Astral Plane and fusing it with the physical world, turning an already CrapsackWorld into a literal HellOnEarth]].



* In ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', Father decides that his final evil master plan to [[spoiler:bring a god and his power into his body]] is a fine trade for [[spoiler:the 50 million+ souls of Amestris civilians.]][[labelnote:*]]The equivalent of killing off all Canadians and Australians or Californians and New Yorkers and then some (as of 2009).[[/labelnote]]
* In ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'', [[TheEvilPrince Gihren Zabi]] fully believes this. He's a SocialDarwinist and UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler-wannabe, but his own personal power comes first and foremost. To that end, he unleashes [[DeadlyGas chemical weapons]] against the Earth Federation, turns his brother's funeral into a political rally, and cuts off his father, [[NonActionBigBad Sovereign Degwin]], from all true political power, ultimately [[spoiler:committing {{patricide}}]]. His sister, Kycilia, is more ideological than he is, but given her [[TheStarscream treacherous nature]] and desire for power, it's likely that she too subscribes to this, and like Gihren, there are few lines she will not cross, experimenting on Newtypes, authorising M'Quve's [[NukeEm nuclear attack on Odessa]], and [[spoiler:[[KlingonPromotion shooting Gihren in order to usurp his position]].]]
** Gihren's clone, [[spoiler:Glemmy Toto]] of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ'' also subscribes to this trope, nearly destroying Neo-Zeon in his attempts to take it over and reinstate the Zabi dictatorship. Haman Khan, ruler of Neo-Zeon, rival to [[spoiler:Glemmy]] and one-time ally of Scirocco is no better; she had standards and ideals once upon a time, but after a bad run-in with Char Aznable and her own [[MisanthropeSupreme general disillusionment with humanity]] those seem to have gone the way of the dodo bird, and she'll do anything to reassert Zeon's rule of the colonies and the Earth Sphere.

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* In ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', Father decides that his final evil master plan to [[spoiler:bring a god and his power into his body]] is a fine trade for [[spoiler:the 50 million+ souls of Amestris civilians.]][[labelnote:*]]The civilians]].[[labelnote:*]]The equivalent of killing off all Canadians and Australians or Californians and New Yorkers and then some (as of 2009).[[/labelnote]]
* In ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'', [[TheEvilPrince Gihren Zabi]] fully believes this. He's a SocialDarwinist and UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler-wannabe, but his own personal power comes first and foremost. To that end, he unleashes [[DeadlyGas chemical weapons]] against the Earth Federation, turns his brother's funeral into a political rally, and cuts off his father, [[NonActionBigBad Sovereign Degwin]], from all true political power, ultimately [[spoiler:committing [[spoiler:[[KlingonPromotion committing]] {{patricide}}]]. His sister, Kycilia, is more ideological than he is, but given her [[TheStarscream treacherous nature]] and desire for power, it's likely that she too subscribes to this, and like Gihren, there are few lines she will not cross, experimenting on Newtypes, authorising M'Quve's [[NukeEm nuclear attack on Odessa]], and [[spoiler:[[KlingonPromotion shooting Gihren in order to usurp his position]].]]
** Gihren's clone, [[spoiler:Glemmy Toto]] of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ'' ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ'', also subscribes to this trope, nearly destroying Neo-Zeon in his attempts to take it over and reinstate the Zabi dictatorship. Haman Khan, ruler of Neo-Zeon, rival to [[spoiler:Glemmy]] and one-time ally of Scirocco is no better; she had standards and ideals once upon a time, but after a bad run-in with Char Aznable and her own [[MisanthropeSupreme general disillusionment with humanity]] those seem to have gone the way of the dodo bird, and she'll do anything to reassert Zeon's rule of the colonies and the Earth Sphere.



** Also Mongul. He rules, or ruled, the planet of Warworld, where he held brutal gladiatorial games to distract the people from their miserable, impoverished lives under his dictatorship. Originally, he ruled his own homeworld, but was ousted by the native people for his despotic behaviour.

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** Also Mongul. He rules, or ruled, the planet of Warworld, where [[BreadAndCircuses he held brutal gladiatorial games to distract the people from their miserable, impoverished lives under his dictatorship.dictatorship]]. Originally, he ruled his own homeworld, but was ousted by the native people for his despotic behaviour.



* ''Disney/TheLionKing''. Scar isn't interested in anything but being King, and he was quite happy to murder his brother, try to murder his nephew, and turn the Pride Lands into {{Mordor}} to do it, although its implied in the musical that he regrets the last part, especially when it's actually going to cost him his kingship.
** Most Disney villains are like this, actually. [[Disney/TheLittleMermaid Ursula/Morgana]] and [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} Jafar]], for example, care nothing for less than becoming ruler, and have absolutely no qualms of backstabbing their current ruler, murdering people (or [[FateWorseThanDeath worse]], in the case of Ursula), or killing anyone in their way.

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* ''Disney/TheLionKing''. Scar isn't interested in anything but being King, and he was quite happy to [[KlingonPromotion murder his brother, try to murder his nephew, nephew]], and turn the Pride Lands into {{Mordor}} to do it, although its it's implied in the musical that he regrets the last part, especially when it's actually going to cost him his kingship.
** Most Disney villains are like this, actually. [[Disney/TheLittleMermaid Ursula/Morgana]] and [[Disney/{{Aladdin}} Jafar]], for example, care nothing for less than becoming ruler, and have absolutely no qualms of [[KlingonPromotion backstabbing their current ruler, ruler]], murdering people (or [[FateWorseThanDeath worse]], in the case of Ursula), or killing anyone in their way.



** The only thing Prince Charming did with Far Far Away once conquering it in ''Shrek the Third'' was force everybody to watch a musical he wrote and starred in about what a great person he thought he was. Perhaps if his mother was still around he would have been able to come up with some kind of government policy.
** Rumpelstiltskin, the BigBad of ''Shrek Forever After'', takes it even further; in the AlternateUniverse where he rules Far Far Away, the entire city is a derelict, rotting mess of a town, and both Shrek's friends and the ogre population are used as slaves.
* In ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'' Ramseses is portrayed as a more [[AntiVillain sympathetic]] version of this, refusing to be the "weak link" that would destroy their dynasty.

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** The only thing Prince Charming did with Far Far Away once upon conquering it in ''Shrek the Third'' was force everybody to watch a musical he wrote and starred in about what a great person he thought he was. Though to be fair, he only ruled it for a week at the absolute most. Perhaps if his mother was still around (and/or Shrek, Fiona, and their fairy-tale friends weren't around to depose him), he would have been able to come up with some kind of government policy.
** Rumpelstiltskin, the BigBad of ''Shrek Forever After'', takes it even further; in the AlternateUniverse where he rules Far Far Away, Away; the entire city is a derelict, rotting mess of a town, and both Shrek's friends and the ogre population are used as slaves.
* In ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'' ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'', Ramseses is portrayed as a more [[AntiVillain sympathetic]] version of this, refusing to be the "weak link" that would destroy their dynasty.



** Darth Vader was never in command but he did some bad things for power too. Vader wanted "to bring order to the galaxy", though, and once naively talked about trying to stop people from dying. Palpatine got him on board by convincing him that this will lead to peace, and he had to convince himself that the Jedi and the Republic were corrupt (not unjustified, even though Palpatine was the architect of much of this anyway). He is thus a very dark example of UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans, and he did not want power for its own sake.

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** Darth Vader was never in command absolute command, but he did some bad things for power power, too. Vader wanted "to bring order to the galaxy", though, and once naively talked about trying to stop people from dying. Palpatine got him on board by convincing him that this will lead to peace, and he had to convince himself that the Jedi and the Republic were corrupt (not unjustified, even though Palpatine was the architect of much of this anyway). He is thus a very dark example of UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans, and he did not want power for its own sake.
30th May '17 5:04:34 PM CombativeBoil
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* The antagonists of ''VideoGame/Persona5'' all have this objective, to varying degrees, and they are willing to commit numerous atrocities and injustices in the name of protecting their positions or gaining more power. The most clear-cut example of this is [[spoiler:Masayoshi Shido, a politician who seeks to become Prime Minister by absolutely any means necessary, up to and including destroying anyone who ever slights him or seems to pose a threat. His Palace is a Cruise Ship sailing over a sinking country, showing how his deepest desire is to stay afloat over a country he's convinced is sinking.]]

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* The antagonists of ''VideoGame/Persona5'' all have this objective, to varying degrees, and they are willing to commit numerous atrocities and injustices in the name of protecting their positions or gaining more power. The most clear-cut example of this is [[spoiler:Masayoshi Shido, a politician who seeks to become Prime Minister by absolutely any means necessary, up to and including destroying anyone who ever slights him or seems to pose a threat. His Palace is a Cruise Ship sailing over a sinking country, showing how his deepest desire is to stay afloat over a country he's convinced even if the entire nation around him is sinking.]]
30th May '17 5:03:33 PM CombativeBoil
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* The antagonists of ''VideoGame/Persona5'' all have this objective, to varying degrees, and they are willing to commit numerous atrocities and injustices in the name of protecting or gaining power. The most clear-cut example of this is [[spoiler:Masayoshi Shido, a politician who seeks to become Prime Minister by absolutely any means necessary, up to and including destroying anyone who ever slights him or seems to pose a threat. His Palace is a Cruise Ship sailing over a sinking country, showing how his deepest desire is to stay afloat over a country he's convinced is sinking.]]

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* The antagonists of ''VideoGame/Persona5'' all have this objective, to varying degrees, and they are willing to commit numerous atrocities and injustices in the name of protecting their positions or gaining more power. The most clear-cut example of this is [[spoiler:Masayoshi Shido, a politician who seeks to become Prime Minister by absolutely any means necessary, up to and including destroying anyone who ever slights him or seems to pose a threat. His Palace is a Cruise Ship sailing over a sinking country, showing how his deepest desire is to stay afloat over a country he's convinced is sinking.]]
30th May '17 5:02:08 PM CombativeBoil
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* The antagonists of ''VideoGame/Persona5'' all have this objective, to varying degrees, and they are willing to commit numerous atrocities and injustices in the name of protecting or gaining power. The most clear-cut example of this is [[spoiler:Masayoshi Shido, a politician who seeks to become Prime Minister by absolutely any means necessary, up to and including destroying anyone who ever slights him or seems to pose a threat. His Palace is a Cruise Ship sailing over a sinking country, showing how his deepest desire is to stay afloat over a country he's convinced is sinking.]]
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