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13th Mar '17 5:35:34 AM Doug86
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* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40K'': While every person who falls to Chaos has a different motive (some genuinely want to reform the corrupt and dying Imperium, some want to make their lives better, some want to save their families...), in the end those who don't go insane pretty much all angle for ascension to daemonhood, becoming immortal and carving out their own corner of the Warp as their personal playground for eternity.

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* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40K'': ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'': While every person who falls to Chaos has a different motive (some genuinely want to reform the corrupt and dying Imperium, some want to make their lives better, some want to save their families...), in the end those who don't go insane pretty much all angle for ascension to daemonhood, becoming immortal and carving out their own corner of the Warp as their personal playground for eternity.
20th Feb '17 2:01:57 AM Nintendoman01
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* In the ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' fic ''[[FanFic/BoundDestiniesTrilogy Wisdom and Courage]]'', Veran openly states that her ultimate goal is to conquer not only Hyrule, but all other lands, including the Sacred Realm itself. Of course, considering the fact that she completely ''destroys'' both Hyrule and Termina over the course of the story, it's obvious that any land she actually succeeds in conquering will be nothing but a barren wasteland. During the final battle, Zelda even [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech points out]] that, despite all of her claims of wanting to avenge her fallen people, it's obvious that all Veran ''really'' wants is to gather power for power's sake, as well as using/abusing said power to kill as many innocent people and cause as much collateral damage as possible ForTheEvulz.

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* In the ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' fic ''[[FanFic/BoundDestiniesTrilogy Wisdom and Courage]]'', Veran openly states that her ultimate goal is to conquer not only Hyrule, but all other lands, including the Sacred Realm itself. Of course, considering the fact that she completely ''destroys'' both Hyrule and Termina over the course of the story, it's obvious that any land she actually succeeds in conquering will be nothing but a barren wasteland. During the final battle, Zelda even [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech points out]] that, despite [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist all of her claims of wanting to avenge her fallen people, people]], it's obvious that all Veran ''really'' wants is to gather power for power's sake, as well as using/abusing said power to kill as many innocent people and cause as much collateral damage as possible ForTheEvulz.
18th Feb '17 12:47:22 AM Nintendoman01
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* ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'': Griffith He only cares about acquiring power and achieving his dream of running a kingdom, and he will stop at ''nothing'' to achieve it, up to and including [[spoiler: cracking open the astral plane and fusing it with the physical world, turning an already CrapsackWorld into a literal HellOnEarth]].
* Frieza of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' only cares about staying in power as "The Strongest Being in the Universe" and will wipe out entire races to do so. That's why he seeks out immortality, so he can stay that way forever.

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* ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'': Griffith He only cares about acquiring power and achieving his dream of running a kingdom, and he will stop at ''nothing'' to achieve it, up to and including [[spoiler: cracking open the astral plane Astral Plane and fusing it with the physical world, turning an already CrapsackWorld into a literal HellOnEarth]].
* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'':
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Frieza of ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' only cares about staying in power as "The Strongest Being "the strongest being in the Universe" universe" and will wipe out entire races to do so. That's why he seeks out immortality, so he can stay that way forever.forever.
** Everything Cell does throughout the Cell Saga, which includes [[ImAHumanitarian eating 600,000 innocent people]] and killing hundreds of others in cold blood, is solely so he can attain ultimate power. Once he does obtain this power and becomes perfect, his endgame is solely to use it to hunt down and kill every last human on Earth one at a time, [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming savoring their fear and terror as he does so]], and then go to other planets and repeat the process until [[OmnicidalManiac everything's dead]].
16th Feb '17 1:37:09 AM Nintendoman01
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* ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'': Griffith He only cares about acquiring power and achieving his dream of running a kingdom, and he will stop at ''nothing'' to achieve it, up to and including [[spoiler: cracking open the astral plane and fusing it with the physical world, turning an already CrapsackWorld into a literal HellOnEarth]].



* ''Manga/DeathNote'': Light wants more to be the [[AGodAmI God of the New World]] than he wants to [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans make the world a better place]].

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* ''Manga/DeathNote'': Though he starts out as a WellIntentionedExtremist who wants to rid the world of all crime, [[VillainProtagonist Light wants more Yagami]] is also in it to be the become [[AGodAmI God the god of the New World]] than he wants to [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans make the new world a better place]].he wishes to create]]; over time, MotiveDecay results in him solely focused on feeding his raging God complex.



* In the ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' fic ''[[FanFic/BoundDestiniesTrilogy Wisdom and Courage]]'', Veran openly states that her ultimate goal is to conquer not only Hyrule, but all other lands, including the Sacred Realm itself. Of course, considering the fact that she completely ''destroys'' both Hyrule and Termina over the course of the story, it's obvious that any land she actually succeeds in conquering will be nothing but a barren wasteland. During the final battle, Zelda even [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech points out]] that, despite all of her claims of wanting to avenge her fallen people, it's obvious that all Veran ''really'' wants is to gather power for the sake of having it, as well as using/abusing said power to kill as many innocent people and cause as much collateral damage as possible ForTheEvulz.

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* In the ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' fic ''[[FanFic/BoundDestiniesTrilogy Wisdom and Courage]]'', Veran openly states that her ultimate goal is to conquer not only Hyrule, but all other lands, including the Sacred Realm itself. Of course, considering the fact that she completely ''destroys'' both Hyrule and Termina over the course of the story, it's obvious that any land she actually succeeds in conquering will be nothing but a barren wasteland. During the final battle, Zelda even [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech points out]] that, despite all of her claims of wanting to avenge her fallen people, it's obvious that all Veran ''really'' wants is to gather power for the sake of having it, power's sake, as well as using/abusing said power to kill as many innocent people and cause as much collateral damage as possible ForTheEvulz.



* ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry 3: Dante's Awakening'': As stated in the page quote, Arkham's plan after obtaining Sparda's power is simply to create a "wasteland engulfed with pandemonium."

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* ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry 3: Dante's Awakening'': As stated in the page quote, Arkham's plan after obtaining entire plot is nothing more than to steal Sparda's power is simply to create for himself and become a "wasteland engulfed with pandemonium."god.
14th Jan '17 3:08:15 PM Nintendoman01
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** ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'': After defeating [[TheUsurper Zant]], Midna outright spells it out for him that this trope is why he was passed over for the Twilight Realm's throne in favor of her: because he ''only'' wanted the throne for the power.
-->'''Midna''': Traitors, ha! You want to know why none would call you king? It was your eyes, Zant. All saw it, a lust for power burning in your pupils... Did you think we'd forget our ancestors lost their king to such greed?
12th Jan '17 9:03:58 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Varys comments that Littlefinger "would see this kingdom burn if he could be king of the ashes."
30th Nov '16 12:17:19 PM intastiel
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* [[spoiler:Elan's father]] Tarquin in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' believes in this, despite paying lip service to the notion of people needing a strong orderly society imposed on them for their own good. He maintains [[spoiler:a rotating system of brutal puppet states in constant war, with himself and his allies as TheManBehindTheMan for disposable {{Decoy Leader}}s]], just so he can live the high life until some hero finally kills him.
** Daimyo Kubota was a pretty extreme example, he wanted to take Lord Shojo's place as ruler of Azure City and him [[spoiler:losing the city to Redcloak]] didn't change anything, apparently [[EvilIsPetty a now meaningless title is still worth killing for to him.]]

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[[spoiler:Elan's father]] Tarquin in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' believes in this, despite paying lip service to the notion of people needing a strong orderly society imposed on them for their own good. He maintains [[spoiler:a rotating system of brutal puppet states in constant war, with himself and his allies as TheManBehindTheMan for disposable {{Decoy Leader}}s]], just so he can live the high life until some hero finally kills him.
** Daimyo Kubota was is a pretty extreme example, example: he wanted schemes to take Lord Shojo's place as ruler of Azure City and him [[spoiler:losing the City, even after [[spoiler:the city falls to Redcloak]] didn't change anything, Redcloak's army and is evacuated]] -- apparently [[EvilIsPetty a now meaningless title is still worth killing for to him.]]
26th Oct '16 1:02:18 PM Morgenthaler
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* In ''{{Hamlet}}'' when uncle Claudius poisons his brother the King and marries his wife. Aside from getting most of the main characters killed, he's not really a bad king.
* ''Theatre/{{Macbeth}}'', a loyal general that murders the King to replace him.
* And the title character of ''Theatre/RichardIII'' (in ''Shakespeare,'' no matter what you think of his RealLife counterpart) kills a great many people in order to become King of England, but is at a loss for what to do once he gets there (other than killing ''more'' people so he can ''stay'' there).



* Littlefinger, of ''ASongOfIceAndFire'', who has been specifically described as willing to burn down the Kingdom if it meant he could rule the ashes.

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* Littlefinger, of ''ASongOfIceAndFire'', ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', who has been specifically described as willing to burn down the Kingdom if it meant he could rule the ashes.


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* In ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' when uncle Claudius poisons his brother the King and marries his wife. Aside from getting most of the main characters killed, he's not really a bad king.
* ''Theatre/{{Macbeth}}'', a loyal general that murders the King to replace him.
* And the title character of ''Theatre/RichardIII'' (in ''Shakespeare,'' no matter what you think of his RealLife counterpart) kills a great many people in order to become King of England, but is at a loss for what to do once he gets there (other than killing ''more'' people so he can ''stay'' there).
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6th Oct '16 6:06:18 PM Nintendoman01
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* ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'': Eggman seems to have this attitude towards his world conquest schemes. The Bad Future levels of ''VideoGame/SonicCD'' are nothing but derelict, post-apocalyptic ruins, while in ''VideoGame/SonicLostWorld'', when he makes his move after Sonic takes out the Deadly Six, he remarks that, while it's a pity that the Six have largely destroyed the world below, at least there's still enough of said world left for him to conquer.

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* ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'': Eggman seems to have this attitude towards his world conquest schemes. The Bad Future BadFuture levels of ''VideoGame/SonicCD'' are nothing but derelict, post-apocalyptic ruins, while in ''VideoGame/SonicLostWorld'', when he makes his move after Sonic takes out the Deadly Six, he remarks that, while it's a pity that the Six have largely destroyed the world below, at least there's still enough of said world left for him to conquer.


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* ''VideoGame/StreetFighterIII'' has Urien, the younger brother of [[BigBad Gill]]. While Gill is a WellIntentionedExtremist, Urien simply wants to acquire power for himself and rule over the world with an iron fist.
24th Aug '16 12:59:38 PM MattP5557
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** Daimyo Kubota was a pretty extreme example, he wanted to take Lord Shojo's place as ruler of Azure City and him [[spoiler:losing the city to Redcloak]] didn't change anything, apparently [[EvilIsPetty a now meaningless title is still worth killing for to him.]]
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