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6th Feb '16 7:11:27 AM kablammin45
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* In the "Grounded" videos made with ''Website/GoAnimate'', the grown ups are shown to be no better than the children they punish. This is especially if the punishment they give them is heavily excessive, which it usually is as it tends to be some huge arbitrary number. ** WesternAnimation/{{Caillou}}'s dad ([[FanNickname aka. Boris]]) tends to be the worst of the bunch as he tends to go AxCrazy with his punishments; groundings are one thing, other times he tends to put Caillou through a ''very'' painful HumiliationConga that can lead to ''death''. It's even worse in some videos where Caillou's dad grounds or tortures Caillou when Caillou wasn't even misbehaving, or sets Caillou up into situations where he'll misbehave and thus get grounded. Despite clearly being an utterly despicable psychopath, Boris is clearly meant to be the hero for putting Caillou in his place.
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* In the "Grounded" videos made with ''Website/GoAnimate'', the grown ups are shown to be no better than the children they punish. This is especially if the punishment they give them is heavily excessive, which it usually is as it tends to be some huge arbitrary number. number. ** WesternAnimation/{{Caillou}}'s dad ([[FanNickname aka. Boris]]) tends to be the worst of the bunch as he tends to go AxCrazy with his punishments; groundings are one thing, other times he tends to put Caillou through a ''very'' painful HumiliationConga that can lead to ''death''. It's even worse in some videos where Caillou's dad grounds or tortures Caillou when Caillou wasn't even misbehaving, or sets Caillou up into situations where he'll misbehave and thus get grounded. Despite clearly being an utterly despicable psychopath, Boris is clearly meant to be the hero for putting Caillou in his place.
6th Feb '16 7:10:52 AM kablammin45
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* In the "Grounded" videos made with ''Website/GoAnimate'', the grown ups are shown to be no better than the children they punish. This is especially if the punishment they give them is heavily excessive, which it usually is as it tends to be some huge arbitrary number. WesternAnimation/{{Caillou}}'s dad tends to be the worst of the bunch as he tends to go AxCrazy with his punishments; groundings are one thing, he tends to put Caillou through a ''very'' painful HumiliationConga that can lead to ''death''.
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* In the "Grounded" videos made with ''Website/GoAnimate'', the grown ups are shown to be no better than the children they punish. This is especially if the punishment they give them is heavily excessive, which it usually is as it tends to be some huge arbitrary number. ** WesternAnimation/{{Caillou}}'s dad ([[FanNickname aka. Boris]]) tends to be the worst of the bunch as he tends to go AxCrazy with his punishments; groundings are one thing, other times he tends to put Caillou through a ''very'' painful HumiliationConga that can lead to ''death''.''death''. It's even worse in some videos where Caillou's dad grounds or tortures Caillou when Caillou wasn't even misbehaving, or sets Caillou up into situations where he'll misbehave and thus get grounded. Despite clearly being an utterly despicable psychopath, Boris is clearly meant to be the hero for putting Caillou in his place.
3rd Feb '16 10:38:21 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}: The Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium might as well be the poster boy of this trope. The only reason the Imperium of Man appears to be good guys is... well... because they are human. Beyond this they are xenophobic fascist anti-progress extremists that have committed just as many atrocities as any other faction. The closest thing the setting comes to actual good guys would be one of the more benevolent Chapters of SpaceMarines, such as [[SpaceRomans the Ultramarines]] or the [[ScaryBlackMan Salamanders]], just because they actually care about the lives of Human civilians enough to ''usually'' rate their defense of a world's population as being slightly more important than exterminating the enemy. ** The game's descriptions, however, tend to be self-parodies in many ways: all TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} fans accept that the setting is a zero-sum [[CrapsackWorld Crapsack Cosmos]] in which the cleverest strategists do not scruple to designate a planet of fluffy bunnies "acceptable losses." (Planets full of fluffy bunnies ''that breathe fire'' are a strategic asset, and might be worth defending.) * Given the nature of the medium, anecdotes quite naturally circulate in tabletop RPG circles about both player and non-player characters like this. For a fairly basic example, the section "Confessions of a Hack and Slash Junkie" (which is ''actually'' about breaking out of that mold and creating memorable plots and villains) in the ''Fantasy Hero'' genre book for the 4th edition of the ''{{Hero System}}'' alludes to a slaughter of kobold children by the [=PCs=] of one of the author's past playing groups "because they aren't worth experience points alive".
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* TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}: The Grim Darkness of the 41st Millennium might as well be the poster boy of this trope. The only reason the Imperium of Man appears to be good guys is... well... is because they are human. Beyond this they are xenophobic fascist xenophobic, fascist, anti-progress extremists that have committed just as many atrocities as any other faction. The closest thing the setting comes to actual good guys would be one of the more benevolent Chapters of SpaceMarines, such as [[SpaceRomans the Ultramarines]] or the [[ScaryBlackMan Salamanders]], just because they actually care about the lives of Human civilians enough to ''usually'' rate their defense of a world's population as being slightly more important than exterminating the enemy. ** The game's descriptions, however, tend to be self-parodies in many ways: all TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} fans accept that the setting is a zero-sum [[CrapsackWorld Crapsack Cosmos]] in which the cleverest strategists do not scruple to designate a planet of fluffy bunnies "acceptable losses." (Planets full of fluffy bunnies ''that breathe fire'' are a strategic asset, and might be worth defending.) * Given the nature of the medium, anecdotes quite naturally circulate in tabletop RPG circles about both player and non-player characters like this. For a fairly basic example, the section "Confessions of a Hack and Slash Junkie" (which is ''actually'' about breaking out of that mold and creating memorable plots and villains) in the ''Fantasy Hero'' genre book for the 4th edition of the ''{{Hero System}}'' alludes to a slaughter of kobold children by the [=PCs=] of one of the author's past playing groups "because they aren't worth experience points alive".alive."

* Theatre/{{Hamlet}}. There's a fine line between being a TragicHero, an overall good person undone by a FatalFlaw, and being a DesignatedHero, a character treated by the narrative as a hero despite doing nothing heroic, and it's a [[CrossesTheLineTwice line Hamlet crosses more than twice.]] After learning from the ghost of his father that his father was murdered by Claudius, Hamlet spends the next Act or so mocking and taunting Polonius, Rosencrantz, and Guildenstern, while also verbally abusing and SlutShaming Ophelia, despite that they had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the murder of Hamlet's father. When Hamlet finally does something, he murders Polonius because he heard a voice behind some curtains and jumps to the conclusion that it must be Claudius. He then hides the body and jokes that everybody will smell him soon enough. This murder drives Ophelia to insanity and her death (she may even have been DrivenToSuicide). Hamlet then deliberately brings about the deaths of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern [[DesignatedVillain despite little to no evidence that they actually did anything wrong.]] He finally gets around to the one person he was supposed to be killing, Claudius, only after the latter has poisoned Gertrude and gotten Laertes to poison Hamlet who then gets accidentally poisoned by Hamlet. So it could be argued that every death that occurs from the start of the play onward is all Hamlet's fault.
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* Theatre/{{Hamlet}}. There's a fine line between being a TragicHero, an overall good person undone by a FatalFlaw, and being a DesignatedHero, a character treated by the narrative as a hero despite doing nothing heroic, and it's a [[CrossesTheLineTwice line Hamlet crosses more than twice.]] After learning from the ghost of his father that his father was murdered by Claudius, Hamlet spends the next Act act or so mocking and taunting Polonius, Rosencrantz, and Guildenstern, while also verbally abusing and SlutShaming Ophelia, despite that they had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the murder of Hamlet's father. When Hamlet finally does something, he murders Polonius because he heard a voice behind some curtains and jumps to the conclusion that it must be Claudius. He then hides the body and jokes that everybody will smell him soon enough. This murder drives Ophelia to insanity and her death (she may even have been DrivenToSuicide). Hamlet then deliberately brings about the deaths of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern [[DesignatedVillain despite little to no evidence that they actually did anything wrong.]] He finally gets around to the one person he was supposed to be killing, Claudius, only after the latter has poisoned Gertrude and gotten Laertes to poison Hamlet who then gets accidentally poisoned by Hamlet. So it could be argued that every death that occurs from the start of the play onward is all Hamlet's fault.
23rd Jan '16 8:43:07 PM randomtroper89
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* Theatre/{{Hamlet}}. There's a fine line between being a TragicHero, an overall good person undone by a FatalFlaw, and being a DesignatedHero, a character treated by the narrative as a hero despite doing nothing heroic, and it's a [[CrossesTheLineTwice line Hamlet crosses more than twice.]] After learning from the ghost of his father that his father was murdered by Claudius, Hamlet spends the next Act or so mocking and taunting Polonius, Rosencrantz, and Guildenstern, while also verbally abusing and SlutShaming Ophelia. What do all 4 of these characters have in common? All 4 of them had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the murder of Hamlet's father. When Hamlet finally does something, he murders Polonius because he heard a voice behind some curtains and jumps to the conclusion that it must be Claudius. He then hides the body and jokes that everybody'll smell him soon enough. This murder drives Ophelia to insanity and her death (she may even have been DrivenToSuicide). Hamlet then deliberately brings about the deaths of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern [[DesignatedVillain despite little to no evidence that they actually did anything wrong.]] He finally gets around to the one person he was supposed to be killing, Claudius, only after the latter has poisoned Gertrude and gotten Laertes to poison Hamlet who then gets accidentally poisoned by Hamlet. So it could be argued that every death that occurs from the start of the play onward is all Hamlet's fault.
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* Theatre/{{Hamlet}}. There's a fine line between being a TragicHero, an overall good person undone by a FatalFlaw, and being a DesignatedHero, a character treated by the narrative as a hero despite doing nothing heroic, and it's a [[CrossesTheLineTwice line Hamlet crosses more than twice.]] After learning from the ghost of his father that his father was murdered by Claudius, Hamlet spends the next Act or so mocking and taunting Polonius, Rosencrantz, and Guildenstern, while also verbally abusing and SlutShaming Ophelia. What do all 4 of these characters have in common? All 4 of them Ophelia, despite that they had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the murder of Hamlet's father. When Hamlet finally does something, he murders Polonius because he heard a voice behind some curtains and jumps to the conclusion that it must be Claudius. He then hides the body and jokes that everybody'll everybody will smell him soon enough. This murder drives Ophelia to insanity and her death (she may even have been DrivenToSuicide). Hamlet then deliberately brings about the deaths of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern [[DesignatedVillain despite little to no evidence that they actually did anything wrong.]] He finally gets around to the one person he was supposed to be killing, Claudius, only after the latter has poisoned Gertrude and gotten Laertes to poison Hamlet who then gets accidentally poisoned by Hamlet. So it could be argued that every death that occurs from the start of the play onward is all Hamlet's fault.
9th Jan '16 11:08:23 AM StFan
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* Theater/{{Hamlet}}. There's a fine line between being a TragicHero, an overall good person undone by a FatalFlaw, and being a DesignatedHero, a character treated by the narrative as a hero despite doing nothing heroic, and it's a [[CrossesTheLineTwice line Hamlet crosses more than twice.]] After learning from the ghost of his father that his father was murdered by Claudius, Hamlet spends the next Act or so mocking and taunting Polonius, Rosencrantz, and Guildenstern, while also verbally abusing and SlutShaming Ophelia. What do all 4 of these characters have in common? All 4 of them had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the murder of Hamlet's father. When Hamlet finally does something, he murders Polonius because he heard a voice behind some curtains and jumps to the conclusion that it must be Claudius. He then hides the body and jokes that everybody'll smell him soon enough. This murder drives Ophelia to insanity and her death (she may even have been DrivenToSuicide). Hamlet then deliberately brings about the deaths of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern [[DesignatedVillain despite little to no evidence that they actually did anything wrong.]] He finally gets around to the one person he was supposed to be killing, Claudius, only after the latter has poisoned Gertrude and gotten Laertes to poison Hamlet who then gets accidentally poisoned by Hamlet. So it could be argued that every death that occurs from the start of the play onward is all Hamlet's fault.
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* Theater/{{Hamlet}}.Theatre/{{Hamlet}}. There's a fine line between being a TragicHero, an overall good person undone by a FatalFlaw, and being a DesignatedHero, a character treated by the narrative as a hero despite doing nothing heroic, and it's a [[CrossesTheLineTwice line Hamlet crosses more than twice.]] After learning from the ghost of his father that his father was murdered by Claudius, Hamlet spends the next Act or so mocking and taunting Polonius, Rosencrantz, and Guildenstern, while also verbally abusing and SlutShaming Ophelia. What do all 4 of these characters have in common? All 4 of them had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the murder of Hamlet's father. When Hamlet finally does something, he murders Polonius because he heard a voice behind some curtains and jumps to the conclusion that it must be Claudius. He then hides the body and jokes that everybody'll smell him soon enough. This murder drives Ophelia to insanity and her death (she may even have been DrivenToSuicide). Hamlet then deliberately brings about the deaths of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern [[DesignatedVillain despite little to no evidence that they actually did anything wrong.]] He finally gets around to the one person he was supposed to be killing, Claudius, only after the latter has poisoned Gertrude and gotten Laertes to poison Hamlet who then gets accidentally poisoned by Hamlet. So it could be argued that every death that occurs from the start of the play onward is all Hamlet's fault.
12th Nov '15 5:18:45 PM Blazer
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* In the "Grounded" videos made with ''Website/GoAnimate'', the grown ups are shown to be no better than the children they punish. This is especially if the punishment they give them is heavily excessive, which it usually is as it tends to be some huge arbitrary number. WesternAnimation/{{Caillou}}'s dad tends to be the worst of the bunch as he tends to go AxCrazy with his punishments; groundings are one thing, he tends to put Caillou through a ''very'' painful HumiliationConga that can lead to ''death''.
27th Sep '15 9:26:07 AM Prfnoff
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[[folder:Opera and Theater]] * Theater/{{Hamlet}}. There's a fine line between being a TragicHero, an overall good person undone by a FatalFlaw, and being a DesignatedHero, a character treated by the narrative as a hero despite doing nothing heroic, and it's a [[CrossesTheLineTwice line Hamlet crosses more than twice.]] After learning from the ghost of his father that his father was murdered by Claudius, Hamlet spends the next Act or so mocking and taunting Polonius, Rosencrantz, and Guildenstern, while also verbally abusing and SlutShaming Ophelia. What do all 4 of these characters have in common? All 4 of them had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the murder of Hamlet's father. When Hamlet finally does something, he murders Polonius because he heard a voice behind some curtains and jumps to the conclusion that it must be Claudius. He then hides the body and jokes that everybody'll smell him soon enough. This murder drives Ophelia to insanity and her death (she may even have been DrivenToSuicide). Hamlet then deliberately brings about the deaths of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern [[DesignatedVillain despite little to no evidence that they actually did anything wrong.]] He finally gets around to the one person he was supposed to be killing, Claudius, only after the latter has poisoned Gertrude and gotten Laertes to poison Hamlet who then gets accidentally poisoned by Hamlet. So it could be argued that every death that occurs from the start of the play onward is all Hamlet's fault. * Siegfried from Creator/RichardWagner's ''Theatre/RingOfTheNibelung''. The anti-Semitic connotations with his treatment of Mime don't help, even if Mime is a DirtyCoward. And the identification UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler had with him. * Subverted as early as Creator/GilbertAndSullivan's ''Theatre/TheYeomenOfTheGuard'', their only tragedy. Colonel Fairfax is often treated by other characters as a great hero. There's nothing they wouldn't do for him. The audience is repeatedly told how great he is, but sees little real evidence. At the end, he is revealed to be an absolutely hateful figure. No wonder audiences treat Jack Point sympathetically as TheWoobie, despite him being something of a jerk himself. * In ''Theatre/MuchAdoAboutNothing'', Claudio was tricked into thinking that his fianceť Hero had cheated on him. Instead of asking her about it or even quietly canceling the wedding, he waited until the wedding ceremony was underway then publicly accused her of being a whore. Even after being (falsely) informed that Hero had died of shock afterwards, he showed no remorse. * All of the Christian characters from ''Theatre/TheMerchantOfVenice'' can be seen this way, especially Portia, who ruins the DesignatedVillain / WellIntentionedExtremist Shylock's life, then decides to fuck with her fiance apparently just for the lulz with the whole stupid rings subplot. ** This is probably mostly due to ValuesDissonance. Shylock would most probably have originally been seen as the villain by its original audience and Portia and Antonio (who treats Shylock far worse than Portia who at least gave him what would have been a considered a happy ending) as the heroes. Over time this has changed with peoples attitudes as Shylock's portrayal has gone from villainous clown to tragic figure due to changing views of race and racism. ** There are those who believe that Shakespeare intended for the play to be taken this way, and that it was deliberately written to ''[[SubvertedTrope subvert]]'' anti-Jewish bigotry. There is basis in the text to support this interpretation, but it of course remains a matter of interpretation. [[/folder]]

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[[folder:Opera and Theater]] [[folder:Theatre]] * Theater/{{Hamlet}}. There's a fine line between being a TragicHero, an overall good person undone by a FatalFlaw, and being a DesignatedHero, a character treated by the narrative as a hero despite doing nothing heroic, and it's a [[CrossesTheLineTwice line Hamlet crosses more than twice.]] After learning from the ghost of his father that his father was murdered by Claudius, Hamlet spends the next Act or so mocking and taunting Polonius, Rosencrantz, and Guildenstern, while also verbally abusing and SlutShaming Ophelia. What do all 4 of these characters have in common? All 4 of them had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the murder of Hamlet's father. When Hamlet finally does something, he murders Polonius because he heard a voice behind some curtains and jumps to the conclusion that it must be Claudius. He then hides the body and jokes that everybody'll smell him soon enough. This murder drives Ophelia to insanity and her death (she may even have been DrivenToSuicide). Hamlet then deliberately brings about the deaths of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern [[DesignatedVillain despite little to no evidence that they actually did anything wrong.]] He finally gets around to the one person he was supposed to be killing, Claudius, only after the latter has poisoned Gertrude and gotten Laertes to poison Hamlet who then gets accidentally poisoned by Hamlet. So it could be argued that every death that occurs from the start of the play onward is all Hamlet's fault. * Siegfried from Creator/RichardWagner's ''Theatre/RingOfTheNibelung''. The anti-Semitic connotations with his treatment of Mime don't help, even if Mime is a DirtyCoward. And the identification UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler had with him. * Subverted as early as Creator/GilbertAndSullivan's ''Theatre/TheYeomenOfTheGuard'', their only tragedy. Colonel Fairfax is often treated by other characters as a great hero. There's nothing they wouldn't do for him. The audience is repeatedly told how great he is, but sees little real evidence. At the end, he is revealed to be an absolutely hateful figure. No wonder audiences treat Jack Point sympathetically as TheWoobie, despite him being something of a jerk himself. * In ''Theatre/MuchAdoAboutNothing'', Claudio was tricked into thinking that his fianceť Hero had cheated on him. Instead of asking her about it or even quietly canceling the wedding, he waited until the wedding ceremony was underway then publicly accused her of being a whore. Even after being (falsely) informed that Hero had died of shock afterwards, he showed no remorse. * All of the Christian characters from ''Theatre/TheMerchantOfVenice'' can be seen this way, especially Portia, who ruins the DesignatedVillain / WellIntentionedExtremist Shylock's life, then decides to fuck with her fiance apparently just for the lulz with the whole stupid rings subplot. ** This is probably mostly due to ValuesDissonance. Shylock would most probably have originally been seen as the villain by its original audience and Portia and Antonio (who treats Shylock far worse than Portia who at least gave him what would have been a considered a happy ending) as the heroes. Over time this has changed with peoples attitudes as Shylock's portrayal has gone from villainous clown to tragic figure due to changing views of race and racism. ** There are those who believe that Shakespeare intended for the play to be taken this way, and that it was deliberately written to ''[[SubvertedTrope subvert]]'' anti-Jewish bigotry. There is basis in the text to support this interpretation, but it of course remains a matter of interpretation. * Sam in ''Trouble in Tahiti'' wins a handball tournament while missing a chance to see his son's SchoolPlay, just to demonstrate that he's a BornWinner. He's very proud of his work, and the GreekChorus gushes over how great he is, but it can't be taken seriously in light of the abjectly cynical context. [[/folder]]
7th Sep '15 7:56:28 PM MiinU
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I delete the Vampire Cheerleaders entry. They weren't heroes, they were villain protagonists.
* ''Webcomic/VampireCheerleaders'' has this with the main cast of five vampire girls who do some stuff that may cross the line for some viewers. Fortunately there's a good chunk of the fans that rages against this, not only unwilling to accept that having vampire powers simply means they just get to get away with things like that, but wishing the girls would be made to suffer and die. On the flip side there's the group of fans who accept the girls' good reputation InUniverse.
28th Aug '15 7:24:34 AM k9feline7
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* Theater/{{Hamlet}}. There's a fine line between being a TragicHero, an overall good person undone by a FatalFlaw, and being a DesignatedHero, a character treated by the narrative as a hero despite doing nothing heroic, and it's a [[CrossesTheLineTwice line Hamlet crosses more than twice.]] After learning from the ghost of his father that his father was murdered by Claudius, Hamlet spends the next Act or so mocking and taunting Polonius, Rosencrantz, and Guildenstern, while also verbally abusing and SlutShaming Ophelia. What do all 4 of these characters have in common? All 4 of them had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the murder of Hamlet's father. When Hamlet finally does something, he murders Polonius because he heard a voice behind some curtains and jumps to the conclusion that it must be Claudius. He then hides the body and jokes that everybody'll smell him soon enough. This murder drives Ophelia to insanity and her death (she may even have been DrivenToSuicide). Hamlet then deliberately brings about the deaths of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern [[DesignatedVillain despite little to no evidence that they actually did anything wrong.]] He finally gets around to the one person he was supposed to be killing, Claudius, only after the latter has poisoned Gertrude and gotten Laertes to poison Hamlet who then gets accidentally poisoned by Hamlet. So it could be argued that every death that occurs from the start of the play onward is all Hamlet's fault.
12th Aug '15 12:23:20 PM mlsmithca
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I've read and re-read this entry and I still have no idea what it's trying to say or whether or not it's a valid example.
* [[DesignatedHero.AnimeAndManga Anime and Manga]] * [[DesignatedHero.ComicBooks Comic Books]] * [[DesignatedHero.FanFic Fan Fic]] * [[DesignatedHero.{{Literature}} Literature]] * [[DesignatedHero.LiveActionFilms Live-Action Films]] * [[DesignatedHero.LiveActionTV Live-Action TV]] * [[DesignatedHero.VideoGames Video Games]] * [[DesignatedHero.WesternAnimation Western Animation]]
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* [[DesignatedHero.AnimeAndManga Anime and Manga]] DesignatedHero/AnimeAndManga * [[DesignatedHero.ComicBooks Comic Books]] DesignatedHero/ComicBooks * [[DesignatedHero.FanFic Fan Fic]] DesignatedHero/FanFic * [[DesignatedHero.{{Literature}} Literature]] DesignatedHero/{{Literature}} * [[DesignatedHero.LiveActionFilms Live-Action Films]] DesignatedHero/LiveActionFilms * [[DesignatedHero.LiveActionTV Live-Action TV]] DesignatedHero/LiveActionTV * [[DesignatedHero.VideoGames Video Games]] DesignatedHero/VideoGames * [[DesignatedHero.WesternAnimation Western Animation]]DesignatedHero/WesternAnimation

* The latest commercials for ''Jack links Beef Jerky'' would feature many people tormenting a Sasquatch. Chances are, we're supposed to cheer for them, let alone see them as the good guys.
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