History Main / DefeatMeansFriendship

14th Jul '16 11:28:37 PM DavidDelony
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* UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton also served as Secretary of State under the Democratic candidate who beat her UsefulNotes/BarackObama. The feeling was mutual, as Obama endorsed her for President in 2016 when she garnered enough delegates in the primaries to become the presumptive nominee.

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* UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton also served as Secretary of State under the Democratic candidate who beat her UsefulNotes/BarackObama. The feeling was mutual, as Obama endorsed her for President in 2016 when she garnered enough delegates in the primaries to become the presumptive nominee. Her rival in the primaries, Senator Bernie Sanders, also endorsed her after losing in 2016.
12th Jul '16 3:20:07 PM DavidDelony
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* The treatment the Axis Powers received from the western allies after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. After just seven years of punishing UsefulNotes/WestGermany by keeping the country poor and powerless (as per the 'Morgenthau Plan', which was publicly disavowed but partially enacted), the US extended their general western-European investment drive ('The Marshall Program') to them as well and even released high-ranking ex-Nazi officers from prison (including Erich von Manstein, who had been imprisoned for war crimes against POW and civilians but was released early) so they could found a new German military. The result? A German military that helped redress the BalanceOfPower in Europe against the UsefulNotes/WarsawPact, and more than 60 years of mutual prosperity and relative peace between the former Axis powers and their conquerors. And Japan, following its surrender and the subsequent drafting of its non-aggression constitution, quickly became an ally of the West after [[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong Chairman Mao]] seized power in mainland China, and the outbreak of the KoreanWar. Today, Germany, Italy and Japan are three of the biggest economic powerhouses in the world and the centers of two of the world's foremost currencies (euro and yen, respectively). This wasn't out of altruism, but more of out UsefulNotes/ColdWar strategy. The U.S. [[YanksWithTanks maintains a number of bases]] in both Europe and Asia to project power into both Russia and China. And at a more personal level, a number of friendships sprang up between surviving German fighter pilots and their one-time opponents; most famously, German ace Adolf Galland. The famously comfortable circumstances of Anglo-American POW (who were neither used for slave labour nor exterminated) meant that some former-POW and camp-guards also became friends. At a higher level, former Wehrmacht generals like Erich von Manstein cultivated friendships with people such as Captain Sir Basil Hart (who published Rommel's Diaries in English, a notable best-seller of the early '50s).

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* The treatment the Axis Powers received from the western allies after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. After just seven years of punishing UsefulNotes/WestGermany by keeping the country poor and powerless (as per the 'Morgenthau Plan', which was publicly disavowed but partially enacted), the US extended their general western-European investment drive ('The Marshall Program') to them as well and even released high-ranking ex-Nazi officers from prison (including Erich von Manstein, who had been imprisoned for war crimes against POW and civilians but was released early) so they could found a new German military. The result? A German military that helped redress the BalanceOfPower in Europe against the UsefulNotes/WarsawPact, and more than 60 years of mutual prosperity and relative peace between the former Axis powers and their conquerors. And Japan, following its surrender and the subsequent drafting of its non-aggression constitution, quickly became an ally of the West after [[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong Chairman Mao]] seized power in mainland China, and the outbreak of the KoreanWar. Today, Germany, Italy and Japan are three of the biggest economic powerhouses in the world and the centers of two of the world's foremost currencies (euro and yen, respectively). This wasn't out of altruism, but more of out UsefulNotes/ColdWar strategy. The U.S. [[YanksWithTanks maintains a number of bases]] in both Europe and Asia to project power into both Russia and China. And at a more personal level, a number of friendships sprang up between surviving German fighter pilots and their one-time opponents; most famously, German ace Adolf Galland. The famously comfortable circumstances of Anglo-American POW (who were neither used for slave labour nor exterminated) meant that some former-POW and camp-guards also became friends. At a higher level, former Wehrmacht generals like Erich von Manstein cultivated friendships with people such as Captain Sir Basil Hart (who published Rommel's Diaries in English, a notable best-seller of the early '50s).
10th Jul '16 10:24:22 PM Randallw201238
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** Some examples with Italy: Italy and Austria, who fought at least two times against each other, but Italy is never angry with Austria because of that, and Austria, despite sometimes being very stern to Italy, doesn't seem to hate him truly. Germany is a borderline case since he and Italy should fight, but Italy surrendered as soon as he saw Germany and they are friends later. Also, Italys and Turkeys relationship seems to be good in the present, but Turkey mentions they fought against each other. Holy Roman Empire and Italy also become friends despite the fact that Holy Roman Empire defeated Italy.

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** Some examples with Italy: Italy and Austria, who fought at least two times against each other, but Italy is never angry with Austria because of that, and Austria, despite sometimes being very stern to Italy, doesn't seem to hate him truly. Germany is a borderline case since he and Italy should fight, but Italy surrendered as soon as he saw Germany and they are friends later. Also, Italys Italy's and Turkeys Turkey's relationship seems to be good in the present, but Turkey mentions they fought against each other. Holy Roman Empire and Italy also become friends despite the fact that Holy Roman Empire defeated Italy.
1st Jul '16 8:32:30 PM Pastykake
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* ''VideoGame/HyruleWarriors''. In Adventure Mode, King Bulblin appears in some battles on the Twilight and Termina maps and Captain Keeta appears in some battles on the Termina map. They appear as part of the enemy or rogue forces but will become your allies and fight on your side if you get their health low enough.
22nd Jun '16 1:28:14 PM ChaoticNovelist
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* ''Literature/JourneyToChaos'': Like the general shonen archetype she's based on, Tiza has befriended those she defeated in a duel. During ''Literature/ManaMutationMenace'' she gets into a tousle with Hailey Heleti over [[spoiler: Nolien's mana mutation]]. Afterward they are inseparable and switch from blaming each other to consoling each other. [[note]] Although this one was technically a draw by double knock out [[/note]]

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* ''Literature/JourneyToChaos'': Like A {{reconstruction}}; the general shonen archetype she's based on, result of Tiza has befriended those she defeated in a duel. During ''Literature/ManaMutationMenace'' she gets into a tousle with Hailey Heleti over [[spoiler: Nolien's mana mutation]]. Afterward and Hailey's brawl only means that [[DefeatMeansRespect they are inseparable and switch from blaming each can't consider the other to consoling each other. [[note]] Although this one was technically a draw by double knock out [[/note]]be weak anymore]]. It's in the talk after the fight where they discover how much they have in common (as well as their shared concern for Nolien) that leads to the friendship.
22nd Jun '16 6:58:05 AM LordDynasmon
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* ''Manga/HunterXHunter'': Mereum was one of the most powerful beings ''in existance'', being able to take the strongest attacks from the strongest man on earth without taking even the slightest of damage. He was also so smart he could master any game and defeat world champions in under 10 games with them, swiftly murdering said champion after he completely defeats them.... Then he meets Komugi, a player of a fictional board game called Gungi who he was completely unable to beat, playing dozens of games with her and never once seeing her use her full skills. She first becomes the only person able to annoy him without being swiftly killed, then someone[[note]] and only person [[/note]] he cares about, to him outright falling in love with her.

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* ''Manga/HunterXHunter'': Mereum Meruem was one of the most powerful beings ''in existance'', existence'', being able to take the strongest attacks from the strongest man on earth without taking even the slightest of damage. He was also so smart he could master any game and defeat world champions in under 10 games with them, swiftly murdering said champion after he completely defeats them.... Then he meets Komugi, a player of a fictional board game called Gungi who he was completely unable to beat, playing dozens of games with her and never once seeing her use her full skills. She first becomes the only person able to annoy him without being swiftly killed, then someone[[note]] and only person [[/note]] he cares about, to him outright falling in love with her.
18th Jun '16 6:31:06 PM dmcreif
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* UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton also served as Secretary of State under the Democratic candidate who beat her UsefulNotes/BarackObama. Obama endorsed her for President in 2016 when she garnered enough delegates in the primaries to become the presumptive nominee.

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* UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton also served as Secretary of State under the Democratic candidate who beat her UsefulNotes/BarackObama. The feeling was mutual, as Obama endorsed her for President in 2016 when she garnered enough delegates in the primaries to become the presumptive nominee.
17th Jun '16 11:28:59 AM MyFinalEdits
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17th Jun '16 11:28:53 AM MyFinalEdits
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* Salah-al-Din, a Muslim warlord of Kurdish ancestry, became something of a [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy "Noble Heathen"]] folk hero to Europeans following his conquest of Jerusalem, which inspired the Third Crusade. According to legend, Saladin made friends with Richard the Lionheart, although in real life they more or less fought each other to a standstill and never met in person. Most importantly was what Salah-al-Din (romanized as Saladin) ''didn't'' do: when he conquered Jerusalem, he ''didn't slaughter the Christians or Jews living there.'' This is the absolute opposite of what European Crusaders had done when they first took Jerusalem - the Crusaders mercilessly slaughtered every Muslim and as many Jews as they could find. When Salah-al-Din took Jerusalem back, Europe was positive news of massacre would follow, but they never did. Salah-al-Din simply took the city back and nothing more. Hence, the legend of the Noble Heathen. That was because Jerusalem was taken 1099 by an all-out assault, while 1187 Jerusalem surrendered instead of being taken by force. The Medieval custom was to spare the town's inhabitants if the town surrendered; if it was conquered by assault, the town was free to be ravaged for three days and three nights. That said, Saladin was also intentionally invoking the memory of the rise of Islam: almost exactly 550 years earlier, Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab had taken Jerusalem and entered the city quietly; this conquest had ended several decades where the city repeatedly changed hands between the ByzantineEmpire and Sassanid Persia, with the conquerors slaughtering hundreds if not thousands each time for security reasons.[[note]]The Zoroastrian Persians were noted for using Jews as agents, while since the Byzantines were Christian they distrusted Christians as possible spies for Constantinople, and contrariwise the Byzantines distrusted Jews not only as "Christ-killers" (as the Church insisted they were) but also as possible spies for Persia. Each time the Persians took Jerusalem, they killed Christians and brought in Jews; every time the Byzantines took it back, they killed Jews and brought in Christians.[[/note]]
** Most European countries had other conflicts to worry about and were perfectly happy to ignore the Middle East as long as there was no compelling motivation to have another war. Massacres in Jerusalem or the destruction of Christian holy sites would have been such a reason, and the Church would have forced Europe to put aside their various petty conflicts and launch another crusade. Salah-al-Din was supposedly not stupid and realized what would happen if he played the part of the brutal conqueror.

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* Salah-al-Din, a Muslim warlord of Kurdish ancestry, became something of a [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy "Noble Heathen"]] folk hero to Europeans following his conquest of Jerusalem, which inspired the Third Crusade. According to legend, Saladin made friends with Richard the Lionheart, although in real life they more or less fought each other to a standstill and never met in person. Most importantly was what Salah-al-Din (romanized as Saladin) ''didn't'' do: when he conquered Jerusalem, he ''didn't slaughter the Christians or Jews living there.'' This is the absolute opposite of what European Crusaders had done when they first took Jerusalem - the Crusaders mercilessly slaughtered every Muslim and as many Jews as they could find. When Salah-al-Din took Jerusalem back, Europe was positive news of massacre would follow, but they never did. Salah-al-Din simply took the city back and nothing more. Hence, the legend of the Noble Heathen. That was because Jerusalem was taken 1099 by an all-out assault, while 1187 Jerusalem surrendered instead of being taken by force. The Medieval custom was to spare the town's inhabitants if the town surrendered; if it was conquered by assault, the town was free to be ravaged for three days and three nights. That said, Saladin was also intentionally invoking the memory of the rise of Islam: almost exactly 550 years earlier, Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab had taken Jerusalem and entered the city quietly; this conquest had ended several decades where the city repeatedly changed hands between the ByzantineEmpire and Sassanid Persia, with the conquerors slaughtering hundreds if not thousands each time for security reasons.[[note]]The Zoroastrian Persians were noted for using Jews as agents, while since the Byzantines were Christian they distrusted Christians as possible spies for Constantinople, and contrariwise the Byzantines distrusted Jews not only as "Christ-killers" (as the Church insisted they were) but also as possible spies for Persia. Each time the Persians took Jerusalem, they killed Christians and brought in Jews; every time the Byzantines took it back, they killed Jews and brought in Christians.[[/note]]
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Most European countries had other conflicts to worry about and were perfectly happy to ignore the Middle East as long as there was no compelling motivation to have another war. Massacres in Jerusalem or the destruction of Christian holy sites would have been such a reason, and the Church would have forced Europe to put aside their various petty conflicts and launch another crusade. Salah-al-Din was supposedly not stupid and realized what would happen if he played the part of the brutal conqueror.
17th Jun '16 9:12:24 AM spiritsunami
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* Most European countries had other conflicts to worry about and were perfectly happy to ignore the Middle East as long as there was no compelling motivation to have another war. Massacres in Jerusalem or the destruction of Christian holy sites would have been such a reason, and the Church would have forced Europe to put aside their various petty conflicts and launch another crusade. Salah-al-Din was supposedly not stupid and realized what would happen if he played the part of the brutal conqueror.

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* ** Most European countries had other conflicts to worry about and were perfectly happy to ignore the Middle East as long as there was no compelling motivation to have another war. Massacres in Jerusalem or the destruction of Christian holy sites would have been such a reason, and the Church would have forced Europe to put aside their various petty conflicts and launch another crusade. Salah-al-Din was supposedly not stupid and realized what would happen if he played the part of the brutal conqueror.
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