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23rd Sep '17 10:34:49 AM nighttrainfm
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** Also Subverted with Freeza every time he's been revived. No matter how many times he's lost to him, he absolutely ''hates'' Goku with a passion and will never stop trying to murder him. [[spoiler: Even with the fate of the entire universe in the balance, the first thing he does when Goku recruits him for the Tournament of Power is casually punch him in the gut, and trapped him in an energy sphere that nearly erased him from existence. Even after being thwarted in those plans, he internally monologues that the reason he's gotten stronger despite being cocooned in Hell is that he spent the entire time concentrating on the myriad ways he'd kill Goku if he ever got free.]]

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** Also Subverted with Freeza every time he's been revived. No matter how many times he's lost to him, he absolutely ''hates'' Goku with a passion and will never stop trying to murder him. [[spoiler: Even with the fate of the entire universe in the balance, the first thing he does when Goku recruits him for the Tournament of Power is casually punch him in the gut, and trapped him he later traps Goku in an energy sphere that nearly erased erases him from existence. Even after being thwarted in those plans, he internally monologues that the reason he's gotten stronger despite being cocooned in Hell is that he spent the entire time concentrating on the myriad ways he'd kill Goku if he ever got free.]]
23rd Sep '17 10:13:36 AM fsdfsdfsd
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*** In the last few seasons the trope gets played completely straight, with only minimal justifications given. This was one of the reasons many viewers felt the show was losing it's quality.
29th Aug '17 7:36:12 PM RoseAndHeather
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* UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton and UsefulNotes/BarackObama endured one of the bitterest primaries in modern politics, but four years of Clinton serving as Obama's Secretary of State forged a strong working relationship and, ultimately, deep friendship between the two of them. Obama essentially hand-picked her as his chosen successor for the Presidency with a ringing endorsement, calling her "the most qualified candidate in history" and making it clear that she has his complete trust and support. After Labor Day, when the general election kicked into high gear, he embarked on a campaign blitz on her behalf that is unmatched by a sitting President in modern history. [[http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/barack-obama-hillary-clinton-hug-photoshop-battle-thumb.jpg Just look at them now.]]
19th Aug '17 1:17:46 AM LinTaylor
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** Also Subverted with Freeza every time he's been revived. No matter how many times he's lost to him, he absolutely ''hates'' Goku with a passion and will never stop trying to murder him. [[spoiler: Even with the fate of the entire universe in the balance, the first thing he does when Goku recruits him for the Tournament of Power is casually punch him in the gut, and trapped him in an energy sphere that nearly erased him from existence. Even after being thwarted in those plans, he internally monologues how he's been spending every day in hell concentrating on how many ways he can kill Goku and plans on using the Gods themselves to do so.]]

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** Also Subverted with Freeza every time he's been revived. No matter how many times he's lost to him, he absolutely ''hates'' Goku with a passion and will never stop trying to murder him. [[spoiler: Even with the fate of the entire universe in the balance, the first thing he does when Goku recruits him for the Tournament of Power is casually punch him in the gut, and trapped him in an energy sphere that nearly erased him from existence. Even after being thwarted in those plans, he internally monologues how that the reason he's been spending every day gotten stronger despite being cocooned in hell Hell is that he spent the entire time concentrating on how many the myriad ways he can he'd kill Goku if he ever got free.]]
** In ''Anime/DragonBallSuper''[='s=] Universe Survival Saga, Goku has to put together a team of ten fighters for an inter-universe tournament; rather tellingly, the vast majority of the team (seven out of the ten) were Goku's enemies at some point in the past. [[spoiler:This ratio stays the same even after Majin Buu has to be replaced at the last minute -- Goku goes to Hell
and plans on using recruits Freeza over the Gods themselves to do so.protests of everybody else.]]
15th Aug '17 8:29:56 AM SeptimusHeap
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* A strange semi-example in a bit of [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse Star Wars Manga]] - yes, there is ''Franchise/StarWars'' manga ([[CanonDiscontinuity although it's non-canon, meaning it didn't happen]]) - happened when Darth Vader slaughters a group of hidden Jedi, sparing the last one - a very young boy named [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tao_(Jedi) Tao]] - because the kid's anger and horror is so strong that it hints at serious Dark Side potential. He takes the boy as a secret apprentice (rather creepier than [[VideoGame/TheForceUnleashed Starkiller]]), and though Vader killed Tao's family and razed his world, Tao somehow can't really hate Vader. Even when the Emperor finds out and has Vader kill him - really, he was OnlyMostlyDead, and Tao was able to save his master from something else before dying happy, since Vader took him back to his razed homeworld to be buried.... The whole thing comes off as {{Shotacon}}-ish fanfiction that stops just short of actual sex. Still, after having his people killed and being curb-stomped by the Dark Lord, Tao randomly became very loyal, and Vader for his part [[MoralityPet went a little soft]].

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* A strange semi-example in a bit of [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse Star Wars Manga]] - yes, there is ''Franchise/StarWars'' manga ([[CanonDiscontinuity although it's non-canon, meaning it didn't happen]]) - happened when Darth Vader slaughters a group of hidden Jedi, sparing the last one - a very young boy named [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tao_(Jedi) Tao]] - because the kid's anger and horror is so strong that it hints at serious Dark Side potential. He takes the boy as a secret apprentice (rather creepier than [[VideoGame/TheForceUnleashed Starkiller]]), and though Vader killed Tao's family and razed his world, Tao somehow can't really hate Vader. Even when the Emperor finds out and has Vader kill him - really, he was OnlyMostlyDead, and Tao was able to save his master from something else before dying happy, since Vader took him back to his razed homeworld to be buried.... The whole thing comes off as {{Shotacon}}-ish [[LoliconAndShotacon shotacon]]-ish fanfiction that stops just short of actual sex. Still, after having his people killed and being curb-stomped by the Dark Lord, Tao randomly became very loyal, and Vader for his part [[MoralityPet went a little soft]].
11th Aug '17 9:22:08 PM Daedalis
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* Sheriff Bronson and Ma Sewell of ''ComicBook/{{Copperhead}}'' are brawling within a minute of their first meeting. Bronson manages to handcuff Ma and tosses her in the jail cell overnight. When she releases Ma after the investigation, they've warmed to each other enough that Ma starts babysitting Zeke Bronson.
26th Jul '17 2:11:13 AM Rorosilky5
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** In ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', Shadow is an exception in that [[spoiler:he's the one orchestrating the evil]], so even after his defeats at the hands of Sonic, he continues to be evil, and his HeelFaceTurn comes later in the Last story. Also, this is played straight with Knuckles, who manages to befriend Rouge [[spoiler: after he defeats her in a battle, and soon afterward saves her life and earns her respect]].

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** In ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', Shadow is an exception in that [[spoiler:he's the one orchestrating the evil]], so even after his defeats at the hands of Sonic, he continues to be evil, and his HeelFaceTurn comes later in [[spoiler:in the Last story.story]]. Also, this is played straight with Knuckles, who manages to befriend Rouge [[spoiler: after he defeats her in a battle, and soon afterward saves her life and earns her respect]].
26th Jul '17 2:10:52 AM Rorosilky5
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26th Jul '17 2:10:45 AM Rorosilky5
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* Many newcomers in ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' fight Sonic, [[LetsYouAndHimFight usually out of misunderstanding]], before joining his side. This dates back as far as Knuckles (from 1994's ''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles'', but several times since) to the additions of Blaze (''VideoGame/{{Sonic Rush|Series}}'') and Silver (''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006''). The real baddie usually shows up midfight, making the opposing character perform a HeelFaceTurn split-second.\\\
In ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', Shadow is an exception in that [[spoiler:he's the one orchestrating the evil]], so even after his defeats at the hands of Sonic, he continues to be evil. His HeelFaceTurn comes later. Also, this is played straight with Knuckles, who manages to befriend Rouge [[spoiler: after he defeats her in a battle, and soon afterward saves her life and earns her respect]].

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* Many newcomers in ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' fight Sonic, [[LetsYouAndHimFight usually out of misunderstanding]], before joining his side. This dates back as far as Knuckles (from 1994's ''VideoGame/Sonic3AndKnuckles'', but several times since) to the additions of Blaze (''VideoGame/{{Sonic Rush|Series}}'') and Silver (''VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog2006''). The real baddie usually shows up midfight, making the opposing character perform a HeelFaceTurn split-second.\\\
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In ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', Shadow is an exception in that [[spoiler:he's the one orchestrating the evil]], so even after his defeats at the hands of Sonic, he continues to be evil. His evil, and his HeelFaceTurn comes later.later in the Last story. Also, this is played straight with Knuckles, who manages to befriend Rouge [[spoiler: after he defeats her in a battle, and soon afterward saves her life and earns her respect]].
25th Jul '17 10:00:46 AM thatmadork
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** Also [[SpaceRomans turian]] standard policy. When the turians win a war, they absorb the defeated enemies' population and territory into their empire and recruit them as auxillaries for their armies. At the conclusion of their service they're granted full turian citizenship with all the accompanying rights and responsibilities.
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