History Main / DefeatMeansFriendship

25th Sep '16 5:22:52 PM RoseAndHeather
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* UsefulNotes/BillClinton and UsefulNotes/GeorgeHWBush befriended after their major political duties passed away, and have spent most of the seubsequent decade co-organizing charity events. Bush took to calling Clinton his other brother for a time.
* UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton and UsefulNotes/BarackObama endured one of the bitterest primaries in modern politics, but four years of Clinton serving as Obama's Secretary of State forged a strong working relationship and, ultimately, deep friendship between the two of them. Obama essentially hand-picked her as his chosen successor for the Presidency with a ringing endorsement, calling her "the most qualified candidate in history" and making it clear that she has his complete trust and support. [[http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/barack-obama-hillary-clinton-hug-photoshop-battle-thumb.jpg Just look at them now.]]

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* UsefulNotes/BillClinton and UsefulNotes/GeorgeHWBush befriended became friends after the bulk of their major political duties passed away, careers concluded, and have spent most of the seubsequent decade co-organizing charity events. Bush took to calling Clinton his other brother for a time. \n (And then made his intentions quite clear to vote for Bill's wife in 2016 -- though his own party's nominee played a big role in that.)
* UsefulNotes/HillaryClinton and UsefulNotes/BarackObama endured one of the bitterest primaries in modern politics, but four years of Clinton serving as Obama's Secretary of State forged a strong working relationship and, ultimately, deep friendship between the two of them. Obama essentially hand-picked her as his chosen successor for the Presidency with a ringing endorsement, calling her "the most qualified candidate in history" and making it clear that she has his complete trust and support. After Labor Day, when the general election kicked into high gear, he embarked on a campaign blitz on her behalf that is unmatched by a sitting President in modern history. [[http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/barack-obama-hillary-clinton-hug-photoshop-battle-thumb.jpg Just look at them now.]]
19th Sep '16 9:04:35 PM Anddrix
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* In ''Film/StVincent'', Oliver and one of his bullies become best friends after he fights back.

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* In ''Film/StVincent'', when Oliver finally gets fed up with his bully and one of his bullies become beats him up, they bond in detention and end up becoming best friends after he fights back.friends.
5th Sep '16 4:12:48 PM merotoker
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** [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]] regarding Laxus. Despite being part of the titular guild, Laxus comes off as far more antagonistic than many previous villains, neglecting to assist the protagonists in key conflicts as well as mocking their weakness. This comes to a head in the Fighting Festival Arc [[spoiler: where he endangers the entire guild in his takeover attempt. Natsu and Gajeel manage to defeat him, and he becomes much nicer as a result. Yet inverted in that he gets kicked out of the guild (temporarily) after the arc.]]

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** [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]] regarding Laxus. Despite being part of the titular guild, Laxus comes off as far more antagonistic than many previous villains, neglecting to assist the protagonists in key conflicts as well as mocking their weakness. This comes to a head in the Fighting Festival Arc [[spoiler: where he endangers the entire guild in his takeover attempt. Natsu and Gajeel manage to defeat him, and he becomes much nicer as a result. Yet inverted in that he gets kicked out of the guild (temporarily) after the arc.]]arc]].



** Inverted when Maka fights Crona, [[spoiler:as Maka is able to befriend Crona after matching his/her wavelength, ending the fight without either being beaten. So in this case, it was "defeat" ''by'' friendship. And ''boy'' is it a [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming heartwarmer]]. Even the ending sequence changes to reflect it.]]
** Was perhaps the expected outcome of Black Star's encounters with Mifune, and indeed turned out that way in the anime. In the manga, however [[spoiler: defeat means ''death''. In a large, obstinate amount of HonorBeforeReason, Black Star ends up killing Mifune because neither could conceive of an alternative to fighting to the death, even though Mifune was fighting to protect [[CuteWitch Angela]] and it turned out the DWMA weren't going to do anything to her.]]
** Death the Kid, Liz and Patty's backstory is [[spoiler:that Liz and Patty [[MuggingTheMonster tried to mug]] him. All we see is flashbacks, but this was most likely the outcome.]] According to ch 78 this is not the entire story - Kid, being a naive rich guy with symmetry on the brain, came to find the pair known as the 'Demons of Brooklyn' to have them as his Weapons. They agree originally because they want his money, and only later come to realize they genuinely [[spoiler:[[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming like being with the boy]]]]. The Defeat's there but the Friendship took time.

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** Inverted when Maka fights Crona, [[spoiler:as Maka is able to befriend Crona after matching his/her wavelength, ending the fight without either being beaten. So in this case, it was "defeat" ''by'' friendship. And ''boy'' is it a [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming heartwarmer]]. Even the ending sequence changes to reflect it.]]
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** Was perhaps the expected outcome of Black Star's encounters with Mifune, and indeed turned out that way in the anime. In the manga, however [[spoiler: defeat means ''death''. In a large, obstinate amount of HonorBeforeReason, Black Star ends up killing Mifune because neither could conceive of an alternative to fighting to the death, even though Mifune was fighting to protect [[CuteWitch Angela]] and it turned out the DWMA weren't going to do anything to her.]]
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** Death the Kid, Liz and Patty's backstory is [[spoiler:that Liz and Patty [[MuggingTheMonster tried to mug]] him. All we see is flashbacks, but this was most likely the outcome.]] outcome]]. According to ch 78 this is not the entire story - Kid, being a naive rich guy with symmetry on the brain, came to find the pair known as the 'Demons of Brooklyn' to have them as his Weapons. They agree originally because they want his money, and only later come to realize they genuinely [[spoiler:[[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming like being with the boy]]]]. The Defeat's there but the Friendship took time.



** In happens in ''Anime/YuGiOhZEXAL'' a lot too. Shark becomes a frequent ally of Yuma after losing to him, third-party villain Tron reforms after being defeated, and even [[spoiler: the BigBad of the first season, Dr. Faker, sees the error of his ways after losing a duel.]]

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** In happens in ''Anime/YuGiOhZEXAL'' a lot too. Shark becomes a frequent ally of Yuma after losing to him, third-party villain Tron reforms after being defeated, and even [[spoiler: the BigBad of the first season, Dr. Faker, sees the error of his ways after losing a duel.]]duel]].



*** The loser realized that [[ItMakesSenseInContext his opponent wasn't an inter-dimensional spy]], [[WouldNotHurtAChild his opponent is an adoptive father to small children]], and through learning these last two facts was reminded that the protection of the innocent is more important than defeating one's foes (which he'd been forgetting due to being surrounded by potential enemies and tentative allies- [[ProperlyParanoid one of whom actually WAS an inter-dimensional spy]]- [[ParanoiaFuel led by a man sabotaged his weapon without his consent and happens to be the son of his most powerful enemy]]). Also, both parties started out as enemies, and both realize they have more in common than they thought by the end of the duel. ([[spoiler:Kurosaki, but he ONLY befriends Crow]])

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*** The loser realized that [[ItMakesSenseInContext his opponent wasn't an inter-dimensional spy]], [[WouldNotHurtAChild [[WouldntHurtAChild his opponent is an adoptive father to small children]], and through learning these last two facts was reminded that the protection of the innocent is more important than defeating one's foes (which he'd been forgetting due to being surrounded by potential enemies and tentative allies- [[ProperlyParanoid one of whom actually WAS an inter-dimensional spy]]- [[ParanoiaFuel led by a man sabotaged his weapon without his consent and happens to be the son of his most powerful enemy]]). Also, both parties started out as enemies, and both realize they have more in common than they thought by the end of the duel. ([[spoiler:Kurosaki, but he ONLY befriends Crow]])



* A longstanding tradition in ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure''. The first real friend that Jonathan Joestar makes is Robert E. O. Speedwagon, who tried to mug him. Jonathan's great-great grandson Jotaro makes friends with Kakyoin and Polnareff by freeing them from Dio's mind control, and nearly all of Jotaro's 16 year old uncle (long story) Josuke's friends were people who tries to kill him the first time they met. Jonathan even managed to earn Dio Brando's respect and admiration after destroying the latter's body. Dio even berates one of his minions for mocking Jonathan. Too bad Dio took it to {{Yandere}} levels, [[spoiler:to the point of killing Jonathan and claiming his body for himself.]]

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* A longstanding tradition in ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure''. The first real friend that Jonathan Joestar makes is Robert E. O. Speedwagon, who tried to mug him. Jonathan's great-great grandson Jotaro makes friends with Kakyoin and Polnareff by freeing them from Dio's mind control, and nearly all of Jotaro's 16 year old uncle (long story) Josuke's friends were people who tries to kill him the first time they met. Jonathan even managed to earn Dio Brando's respect and admiration after destroying the latter's body. Dio even berates one of his minions for mocking Jonathan. Too bad Dio took it to {{Yandere}} levels, [[spoiler:to the point of killing Jonathan and claiming his body for himself.]]himself]].



** Downplayed with Hiei. After he is defeated and captured by Yuusuke; [[TokenEvilTeammate he subsequently becomes one of Yuusuke's comrades (and later friends), but is initially only helping him because he was assigned the task for parole]].

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** Downplayed with Hiei. After he is defeated and captured by Yuusuke; his defeat during Yuusuke's first case as Spirit Detective, [[TokenEvilTeammate he subsequently becomes one of Yuusuke's comrades (and later friends), but is initially only helping him because he was assigned the task for parole]].



** Rinku, Jin, Toya, Kuwabara, reluctantly both Shishiwakamaru and Suzuki, Murota, Mitarai, slightly Amanuma, and Sayaka in the pre-resurrection arc, although in the anime she was merely a Spirit-World inspector. Suzuki even went so far as to [[spoiler: provide Kuwabara and Kurama with weapons that they would have been defeated without]], although technically this was to further his own ends. Yomi became friendlier after the Demon Tournament arc, although he was by no means a friend or ally, as well as Mukuro and Raizen's old friends. Luka [[spoiler: got out of the force-field for hire and switched to doing a radio show with Koto and Juri after nearly being incinerated by Hiei.]]

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** Rinku, Jin, Toya, Kuwabara, reluctantly both Shishiwakamaru and Suzuki, Murota, Mitarai, slightly Amanuma, and Sayaka in the pre-resurrection arc, although in the anime she was merely a Spirit-World inspector. Suzuki even went so far as to [[spoiler: provide Kuwabara and Kurama with weapons that they would have been defeated without]], although technically this was to further his own ends. Yomi became friendlier after the Demon Tournament arc, although he was by no means a friend or ally, as well as Mukuro and Raizen's old friends. Luka Ruka [[spoiler: got out of the force-field for hire and switched to doing a radio show with Koto and Juri after nearly being incinerated by Hiei.]]Hiei]].



** Seems like this is about to happen again, since as of [[spoiler:chapter 292 Negi wants to be best friends with Fate. And it seems to be mutual, too, in a way.]] As of chapter 328, [[spoiler:It [[http://andarion.deviantart.com/art/Befriending-Complete-213440838?offset=10 finally happened]], with an epic friendly beatdown, though Fate is still {{Tsundere}} about it.]]
* Actively [[InvokedTrope Invoked]] in Negima's sequel, ''Manga/UQHolder''. When assassin Kuroumaru tries to kill Touta, after winning the ensuing battle, ''Touta forces Kuroumaru to sign a 'best friends' contract''.

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** Seems like this is about to happen again, since as of [[spoiler:chapter 292 Negi wants to be best friends with Fate. And it seems to be mutual, too, in a way.]] way]]. As of chapter 328, [[spoiler:It [[http://andarion.deviantart.com/art/Befriending-Complete-213440838?offset=10 finally happened]], with an epic friendly beatdown, though Fate is still {{Tsundere}} about it.]]
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* Actively [[InvokedTrope Invoked]] {{invoked|Trope}} in Negima's sequel, ''Manga/UQHolder''. When assassin Kuroumaru tries to kill Touta, after winning the ensuing battle, ''Touta forces Kuroumaru to sign a 'best friends' contract''.



* ''Manga/MedakaBox'', being a DeconstructorFleet of Shounen tropes, plays with this one too. Medaka actually ''can't'' befriend people without somehow defeating and "fixing" them first. As Ajimu points out, Medaka values her enemies more than her allies. In chapter 118, [[spoiler:Medaka deliberately provokes Zenkichi further after Ajimu convinced him to fight against Medaka by beating the crap out of him and mocking him afterwards. Medaka tells Kikaijima that she hopes Zenkichi will become a WorthyOpponent that she can defeat and "befriend", and mentions that she should have set him up to be her enemy from the very beginning.]]

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* ''Manga/MedakaBox'', being a DeconstructorFleet of Shounen tropes, plays with this one too. Medaka actually ''can't'' befriend people without somehow defeating and "fixing" them first. As Ajimu points out, Medaka values her enemies more than her allies. In chapter 118, [[spoiler:Medaka deliberately provokes Zenkichi further after Ajimu convinced him to fight against Medaka by beating the crap out of him and mocking him afterwards. Medaka tells Kikaijima that she hopes Zenkichi will become a WorthyOpponent that she can defeat and "befriend", and mentions that she should have set him up to be her enemy from the very beginning.]]beginning]].



* The newest "Manga/{{Toriko}}" villain [[spoiler: Joa]] weaponizes this. He sees a person's thoughts as equivalent to their taste, so his Taste Change technique allows him to brainwash them into joining his side.

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* The newest "Manga/{{Toriko}}" ''Manga/{{Toriko}}'' villain [[spoiler: Joa]] weaponizes this. He sees a person's thoughts as equivalent to their taste, so his Taste Change technique allows him to brainwash them into joining his side.



** In the later released OVA [[spoiler: it is shown that Anchovy did befriend them too. In their over eagerness to cheer Ooarai they partied too hard the night before the final match and missed it]]

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** In the later released OVA [[spoiler: it is shown that Anchovy did befriend them too. In their over eagerness to cheer Ooarai they partied too hard the night before the final match and missed it]]it]].



** First inverted with [[UpperClassTwit Cecilia]]: [[spoiler: she defeated him when his IS ran out of shield energy, then turned all ''dere-dere'' on him the next day.]]
** Later on played straight with [[SuperSoldier Laura]]: [[spoiler: she reappears the next day after their match, kissing him in front of the class, then later [[WackyMarriageProposal declares him as her "wife"]].]]

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** First inverted with [[UpperClassTwit Cecilia]]: [[spoiler: she defeated him when his IS ran out of shield energy, then turned all ''dere-dere'' on him the next day.]]
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** Later on played straight with [[SuperSoldier Laura]]: [[spoiler: she reappears the next day after their match, kissing him in front of the class, then later [[WackyMarriageProposal declares him as her "wife"]].]]"wife"]]]].



* In ''Manga/Brave10'', this is [[HowToGatherCharacters how you collect]] Braves, to the point the ''only'' Braves Saizo has never had to fight against are Rokuro and Kakei. He and Sasuke fight on first meeting being [[RedOniBlueOni Iga-Koga ninja rivals]], Yukimura recruited Ana by AssassinOutclassin, and Kamanosuke, Seikai, Benmaru, and Jinpachi all join the team after fighting the Braves although often as not it's the Braves who start it. The case that stretches disbelief the most is [[spoiler:[[TheDragon Hanzo]] in the sequel, to the point the controversy it causes [[BreakingTheFellowship breaks up the Braves]].]]

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* In ''Manga/Brave10'', this is [[HowToGatherCharacters [[JustForFun/HowToGatherCharacters how you collect]] Braves, to the point the ''only'' Braves Saizo has never had to fight against are Rokuro and Kakei. He and Sasuke fight on first meeting being [[RedOniBlueOni Iga-Koga ninja rivals]], Yukimura recruited Ana by AssassinOutclassin, and Kamanosuke, Seikai, Benmaru, and Jinpachi all join the team after fighting the Braves although often as not it's the Braves who start it. The case that stretches disbelief the most is [[spoiler:[[TheDragon Hanzo]] in the sequel, to the point the controversy it causes [[BreakingTheFellowship breaks up the Braves]].]]Braves]]]].



* In ''FanFic/ClashOfTheElements'' [[spoiler: Most the heroes manage to form a bond of friendship with their respective Genesis Samurai opponents, save for Geno, who was already acquainted with them long ago, and Luigi, who was knocked unconscious after his battle before he could form one with his.]]

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* In ''FanFic/ClashOfTheElements'' [[spoiler: Most the most heroes manage to form a bond of friendship with their respective Genesis Samurai opponents, save for Geno, who was already acquainted with them long ago, and Luigi, who was knocked unconscious after his battle before he could form one with his.]]his]].



* ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' and Laertes.

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* ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' Theatre/{{Hamlet}} and Laertes.



* RobinHood gains many of his Merry Men this way, though often it's ''him'' that loses. His magnanimous behavior, rather than his skill at the contest, convince people to follow him. The most common example of this is Little John, who in many retellings starts off as another outlaw who tries to rob Robin, resulting in what is almost always depicted as a quarterstaff battle on a [[TakeItToTheBridge narrow bridge over a river]].

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* RobinHood Myth/RobinHood gains many of his Merry Men this way, though often it's ''him'' that loses. His magnanimous behavior, rather than his skill at the contest, convince people to follow him. The most common example of this is Little John, who in many retellings starts off as another outlaw who tries to rob Robin, resulting in what is almost always depicted as a quarterstaff battle on a [[TakeItToTheBridge narrow bridge over a river]].



** It's most notably a trait of [[BoisterousBruiser Robert Baratheon]], who turned bitter Targaryen loyalist enemies into staunch supporters with clemency, generosity, and plain old charisma after his (successful) rebellion. He only does this with those he considers {{Worthy Opponent}}s, though; he kills [[TheGoodPrince Rhaegar]] just as dead as he can after Rhaegar kidnaps [[spoiler:maybe]] his fiancee, and has no mercy for any Targaryen survivors, even [[WhatTheHellHero children who were babies during the war]]. Tywin also instructs his grandson Joffrey that rebels must be shown mercy and welcomed back into the fold upon surrender, [[PragmaticVillainy or else they will have no incentive to surrender and will fight to the bitter end instead.]] (The lesson is a bit lost on [[TheCaligula Joff]].)

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** It's most notably a trait of [[BoisterousBruiser Robert Baratheon]], who turned bitter Targaryen loyalist enemies into staunch supporters with clemency, generosity, and plain old charisma after his (successful) rebellion. He only does this with those he considers {{Worthy Opponent}}s, though; he kills [[TheGoodPrince [[TheWisePrince Rhaegar]] just as dead as he can after Rhaegar kidnaps [[spoiler:maybe]] his fiancee, and has no mercy for any Targaryen survivors, even [[WhatTheHellHero children who were babies during the war]]. Tywin also instructs his grandson Joffrey that rebels must be shown mercy and welcomed back into the fold upon surrender, [[PragmaticVillainy or else they will have no incentive to surrender and will fight to the bitter end instead.]] (The lesson is a bit lost on [[TheCaligula Joff]].)






** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'': While several former antagonists join Team Ramza after their defeat, it's usually other factors that lead to them making a HeelFaceTurn; however, generic enemies (of both human and monstrous persuation) can always be persuaded to join the party using the Mediator skill Invite, which has better chances of working after you've whittled down their health a bit--in the case of monsters, you can even have the switch in loyalties happen automatically with the Support skill Train, in which they will come over to your side as soon as the person with Train drops their hit points below a certain threshold.

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** ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'': While several former antagonists join Team Ramza after their defeat, it's usually other factors that lead to them making a HeelFaceTurn; however, generic enemies (of both human and monstrous persuation) persuasion) can always be persuaded to join the party using the Mediator skill Invite, which has better chances of working after you've whittled down their health a bit--in the case of monsters, you can even have the switch in loyalties happen automatically with the Support skill Train, in which they will come over to your side as soon as the person with Train drops their hit points below a certain threshold.



** [[VideoGame/DevilSurvivor2 The sequel]] features {{Social Darwinist}}s Yamato Hotsuin and Keita Wakui, who believe that MightMakesRight. Both of them will fight you if you take any ending path other than Yamato's, and after you beat them they'll both admit that by their own logic, you've got the might and therefore must be right.

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** [[VideoGame/DevilSurvivor2 The sequel]] features {{Social Darwinist}}s [[TheSocialDarwinist Social Darwinists]] Yamato Hotsuin and Keita Wakui, who believe that MightMakesRight. Both of them will fight you if you take any ending path other than Yamato's, and after you beat them they'll both admit that by their own logic, you've got the might and therefore must be right.



** In ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', Shadow is an exception in that [[spoiler:he's the one orchestrating the evil]], so even after his defeats at the hands of Sonic, he continues to be evil. His HeelFaceTurn comes later. Also, this is played straight with Knuckles, who manages to befriend Rouge [[spoiler: after he defeats her in a battle, and soon afterward saves her life and earns her respect.]]

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** In ''VideoGame/SonicAdventure2'', Shadow is an exception in that [[spoiler:he's the one orchestrating the evil]], so even after his defeats at the hands of Sonic, he continues to be evil. His HeelFaceTurn comes later. Also, this is played straight with Knuckles, who manages to befriend Rouge [[spoiler: after he defeats her in a battle, and soon afterward saves her life and earns her respect.]]respect]].



* ''VideoGame/SaintsRowIV'' features two previous adversaries as prominent allies of the Boss (now the President of the US): Benjamin King, the former leader of the Vice Kings from the [[VideoGame/SaintsRow first game]] who was forced to drop his flags after an attempted coup in his organization, now the President's Chief of Staff; and Matt Miller, the leader of the Deckers from [[SaintsRowTheThird the third game]], who was defeated by the Boss and likewise forced to flee, now a member of MI6. In addition, enemies from previous games, like Maero, Phillipe Loren, and Tanya Winters, can be recruited as Homies after defeating them in Loyalty Missions.

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* ''VideoGame/SaintsRowIV'' features two previous adversaries as prominent allies of the Boss (now the President of the US): Benjamin King, the former leader of the Vice Kings from the [[VideoGame/SaintsRow first game]] who was forced to drop his flags after an attempted coup in his organization, now the President's Chief of Staff; and Matt Miller, the leader of the Deckers from [[SaintsRowTheThird [[VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird the third game]], who was defeated by the Boss and likewise forced to flee, now a member of MI6. In addition, enemies from previous games, like Maero, Phillipe Loren, and Tanya Winters, can be recruited as Homies after defeating them in Loyalty Missions.



* ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' also does this, only with [[spoiler: [[WellIntentionedExtremist Duke]], the ''final boss''. Yuri and friends beat the crap out of him, then completely forgive him after he joined their cause and helped to defeat the Adephagos. Despite the whole, y'know, attempted omnicide thing.]]

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* ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' also does this, only with [[spoiler: [[WellIntentionedExtremist Duke]], the ''final boss''. Yuri and friends beat the crap out of him, then completely forgive him after he joined their cause and helped to defeat the Adephagos. Despite the whole, y'know, attempted omnicide thing.]]thing]].



** ''VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance'' has a villainous example with Samuel Rodrigues. Initially he sets out to stop World Marshall, but joins them instead after being beaten by [[spoiler:Senator Armstrong]]. [[spoiler:He tries it again on Raiden, but gets sucker-punched with an ISurrenderSuckers, which only pisses him off more]].
* Creator/{{Nintendo}} and Creator/{{Sega}} were very bitter rivals during the 16-bit era UsefulNotes/ConsoleWars, but after an embarrassing defeat with the SegaDreamcast causing them to give up consoles, Sega now happily makes games for Nintendo's systems.

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** ''VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance'' has a villainous example with Samuel Rodrigues. Initially he sets out to stop World Marshall, but joins them instead after being beaten by [[spoiler:Senator Armstrong]]. [[spoiler:He Armstrong. He tries it again on Raiden, but gets sucker-punched with an ISurrenderSuckers, which only pisses him off more]].
* Creator/{{Nintendo}} and Creator/{{Sega}} were very bitter rivals during the 16-bit era UsefulNotes/ConsoleWars, but after an embarrassing defeat with the SegaDreamcast UsefulNotes/SegaDreamcast causing them to give up consoles, Sega now happily makes games for Nintendo's systems.



* VideoGame/TheMatrixPathOfNeo has Chang Tzu, who you have to defeat before he'll listen to you, then you have to defeat [[EliteMooks agents]] together.
* [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] [[PlayingWithATrope most of the time]] in ''Franchise/FireEmblem''. Recruiting enemy forces to your side ''is'' a major mechanic in every game, but this is normally done by getting someone the enemy knows to talk to them and convince them to join you without fighting. With only [[DoubleSubversion a few exceptions]] (such as [[spoiler:Shinon in ''Path of Radiance'' and Walhart in ''Awakening'']], but [[GuideDangIt even they have preconditions]]), defeating a recruitable unit in combat will [[FinalDeath kill them]], not recruit them.

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* VideoGame/TheMatrixPathOfNeo ''VideoGame/TheMatrixPathOfNeo'' has Chang Tzu, who you have to defeat before he'll listen to you, then you have to defeat [[EliteMooks agents]] together.
* [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] [[PlayingWithATrope most of the time]] in ''Franchise/FireEmblem''.''VideoGame/FireEmblem''. Recruiting enemy forces to your side ''is'' a major mechanic in every game, but this is normally done by getting someone the enemy knows to talk to them and convince them to join you without fighting. With only [[DoubleSubversion a few exceptions]] (such as [[spoiler:Shinon in ''Path of Radiance'' and Walhart in ''Awakening'']], but [[GuideDangIt even they have preconditions]]), defeating a recruitable unit in combat will [[FinalDeath kill them]], not recruit them.



* In ''VisualNovel/LittleBusters'', this is how Masato and Kyousuke first met and became friends [[spoiler:and so is how Riki and Masato renewed their friendship in Refrain.]] Masato also insists they do this to [[spoiler:get Kengo back into the Little Busters]], insisting that 'when two men cross fists, a spontaneous friendship will be formed.'

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* In ''VisualNovel/LittleBusters'', this is how Masato and Kyousuke first met and became friends [[spoiler:and so is how Riki and Masato renewed their friendship in Refrain.]] Refrain]]. Masato also insists they do this to [[spoiler:get Kengo back into the Little Busters]], insisting that 'when two men cross fists, a spontaneous friendship will be formed.'



* Parodied in ''GirlChanInParadise'', where Kenstar just skips the "defeat" part and asks Yusuke (after his revelation as TheMole) to rejoin the team after about a minute's worth of building up to a fight that never happens, to which Yusuke agrees for no real reason.

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* Parodied in ''GirlChanInParadise'', ''WebAnimation/GirlChanInParadise'', where Kenstar just skips the "defeat" part and asks Yusuke (after his revelation as TheMole) to rejoin the team after about a minute's worth of building up to a fight that never happens, to which Yusuke agrees for no real reason.



* The second part of ''WebOriginal/TheSalvationWar'' [[spoiler: after their defeat and conquest in the first has demons fighting alongside humans against Heaven, with human weapons. Some of them are also thriving in human society, having for example bankrupted FedEx.]]

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* The second part of ''WebOriginal/TheSalvationWar'' [[spoiler: after their defeat and conquest in the first has demons fighting alongside humans against Heaven, with human weapons. Some of them are also thriving in human society, having for example bankrupted FedEx.]]FedEx]].



** In a GenreSavvy moment, Gwen says she knows this can now be true of her and her nemesis Charmcaster at the end of their final episode in ''Ben10Omniverse'', since Charmcaster's now powerless and trapped in Gwen's custody, able to recover from her psychosis. Given the similarities between Ben and Kevin's rivalry plus the additional MagicalGirl / DarkMagicalGirl elements here, Gwen's probably right on the money (WordOfGod later confirmed that [[http://65.media.tumblr.com/9270f5ca74f393cee1cca0cc15dced47/tumblr_oac430oTSl1sdo9gko1_500.png yes, she was.]])

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** In a GenreSavvy moment, Gwen says she knows this can now be true of her and her nemesis Charmcaster at the end of their final episode in ''Ben10Omniverse'', ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'', since Charmcaster's now powerless and trapped in Gwen's custody, able to recover from her psychosis. Given the similarities between Ben and Kevin's rivalry plus the additional MagicalGirl / DarkMagicalGirl elements here, Gwen's probably right on the money (WordOfGod later confirmed that [[http://65.media.tumblr.com/9270f5ca74f393cee1cca0cc15dced47/tumblr_oac430oTSl1sdo9gko1_500.png yes, she was.]])



* In an episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', [[ViolentGlaswegian Groundskeeper Willie]] defends the school from a [[SavageWolves savage wolf]], fighting the beast ''[[Awesome/TheSimpsons with his bare hands]]''. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNzPsfnN3sU&feature=g-hist A later scene shows the two of them battered and bruised and sharing a drink.]]

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* In an episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', [[ViolentGlaswegian Groundskeeper Willie]] defends the school from a [[SavageWolves savage wolf]], fighting the beast ''[[Awesome/TheSimpsons with his bare hands]]''. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNzPsfnN3sU&feature=g-hist A later scene shows the two of them battered and bruised and sharing a drink.]]



* The treatment the Axis Powers received from the western allies after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. After just seven years of punishing UsefulNotes/WestGermany by keeping the country poor and powerless (as per the 'Morgenthau Plan', which was publicly disavowed but partially enacted), the US extended their general western-European investment drive ('The Marshall Program') to them as well and even released high-ranking ex-Nazi officers from prison (including Erich von Manstein, who had been imprisoned for war crimes against POW and civilians but was released early) so they could found a new German military. The result? A German military that helped redress the BalanceOfPower in Europe against the UsefulNotes/WarsawPact, and more than 60 years of mutual prosperity and relative peace between the former Axis powers and their conquerors. And Japan, following its surrender and the subsequent drafting of its non-aggression constitution, quickly became an ally of the West after [[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong Chairman Mao]] seized power in mainland China, and the outbreak of the KoreanWar. Today, Germany, Italy and Japan are three of the biggest economic powerhouses in the world and the centers of two of the world's foremost currencies (euro and yen, respectively). This wasn't out of altruism, but more of out UsefulNotes/ColdWar strategy. The U.S. [[YanksWithTanks maintains a number of bases]] in both Europe and Asia to project power into Russia and China. And at a more personal level, a number of friendships sprang up between surviving German fighter pilots and their one-time opponents; most famously, German ace Adolf Galland. The famously comfortable circumstances of Anglo-American POW (who were neither used for slave labour nor exterminated) meant that some former-POW and camp-guards also became friends. At a higher level, former Wehrmacht generals like Erich von Manstein cultivated friendships with people such as Captain Sir Basil Hart (who published Rommel's Diaries in English, a notable best-seller of the early '50s).[[note]]The friendships between senior or influential British and German officers predated WW2. There's a reason why the brilliant but maverick Liddell-Hart was refused more than nominal service in WW2 and remained a captain in 1945. Along with Major-General Fuller, the man who originated the Blitzkrieg miltary strategy later perfected by the Germans, he was considered too unreliable for service and a dangerous Nazi sympathiser. Their close pre-war contacts with senior Germans rang all the alarm bells. As did their association with [[Creator/AleisterCrowley ritual occultism]]. German general Heinz Guderian, the man who made the British-originated Blitzkreig concept work in practice, dedicated ''his'' autobiography to ''my close friend, Basil Liddell-Hart''.[[/note]]
* Salah-al-Din, a Muslim warlord of Kurdish ancestry, became something of a [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy "Noble Heathen"]] folk hero to Europeans following his conquest of Jerusalem, which inspired the Third Crusade. According to legend, Saladin made friends with Richard the Lionheart, although in real life they more or less fought each other to a standstill and never met in person. Most importantly was what Salah-al-Din (romanized as Saladin) ''didn't'' do: when he conquered Jerusalem, he ''didn't slaughter the Christians or Jews living there.'' This is the absolute opposite of what European Crusaders had done when they first took Jerusalem - the Crusaders mercilessly slaughtered every Muslim and as many Jews as they could find. When Salah-al-Din took Jerusalem back, Europe was positive news of massacre would follow, but they never did. Salah-al-Din simply took the city back and nothing more. Hence, the legend of the Noble Heathen. That was because Jerusalem was taken 1099 by an all-out assault, while 1187 Jerusalem surrendered instead of being taken by force. The Medieval custom was to spare the town's inhabitants if the town surrendered; if it was conquered by assault, the town was free to be ravaged for three days and three nights. That said, Saladin was also intentionally invoking the memory of the rise of Islam: almost exactly 550 years earlier, Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab had taken Jerusalem and entered the city quietly; this conquest had ended several decades where the city repeatedly changed hands between the ByzantineEmpire and Sassanid Persia, with the conquerors slaughtering hundreds if not thousands each time for security reasons.[[note]]The Zoroastrian Persians were noted for using Jews as agents, while since the Byzantines were Christian they distrusted Christians as possible spies for Constantinople, and contrariwise the Byzantines distrusted Jews not only as "Christ-killers" (as the Church insisted they were) but also as possible spies for Persia. Each time the Persians took Jerusalem, they killed Christians and brought in Jews; every time the Byzantines took it back, they killed Jews and brought in Christians.[[/note]]\\

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* The treatment the Axis Powers received from the western allies after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. After just seven years of punishing UsefulNotes/WestGermany by keeping the country poor and powerless (as per the 'Morgenthau Plan', which was publicly disavowed but partially enacted), the US extended their general western-European investment drive ('The Marshall Program') to them as well and even released high-ranking ex-Nazi officers from prison (including Erich von Manstein, who had been imprisoned for war crimes against POW and civilians but was released early) so they could found a new German military. The result? A German military that helped redress the BalanceOfPower in Europe against the UsefulNotes/WarsawPact, and more than 60 years of mutual prosperity and relative peace between the former Axis powers and their conquerors. And Japan, following its surrender and the subsequent drafting of its non-aggression constitution, quickly became an ally of the West after [[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong Chairman Mao]] seized power in mainland China, and the outbreak of the KoreanWar.UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar. Today, Germany, Italy and Japan are three of the biggest economic powerhouses in the world and the centers of two of the world's foremost currencies (euro and yen, respectively). This wasn't out of altruism, but more of out UsefulNotes/ColdWar strategy. The U.S. [[YanksWithTanks [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks maintains a number of bases]] in both Europe and Asia to project power into Russia and China. And at a more personal level, a number of friendships sprang up between surviving German fighter pilots and their one-time opponents; most famously, German ace Adolf Galland. The famously comfortable circumstances of Anglo-American POW (who were neither used for slave labour nor exterminated) meant that some former-POW and camp-guards also became friends. At a higher level, former Wehrmacht generals like Erich von Manstein cultivated friendships with people such as Captain Sir Basil Hart (who published Rommel's Diaries in English, a notable best-seller of the early '50s).[[note]]The friendships between senior or influential British and German officers predated WW2. UsefulNotes/{{W|orldWarII}}W2. There's a reason why the brilliant but maverick Liddell-Hart was refused more than nominal service in WW2 UsefulNotes/{{W|orldWarII}}W2 and remained a captain in 1945. Along with Major-General Fuller, the man who originated the Blitzkrieg miltary strategy later perfected by the Germans, he was considered too unreliable for service and a dangerous Nazi sympathiser. Their close pre-war contacts with senior Germans rang all the alarm bells. As did their association with [[Creator/AleisterCrowley ritual occultism]]. German general Heinz Guderian, the man who made the British-originated Blitzkreig concept work in practice, dedicated ''his'' autobiography to ''my close friend, Basil Liddell-Hart''.[[/note]]
* Salah-al-Din, a Muslim warlord of Kurdish ancestry, became something of a [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy "Noble Heathen"]] folk hero to Europeans following his conquest of Jerusalem, which inspired the Third Crusade. According to legend, Saladin made friends with Richard the Lionheart, although in real life they more or less fought each other to a standstill and never met in person. Most importantly was what Salah-al-Din (romanized as Saladin) ''didn't'' do: when he conquered Jerusalem, he ''didn't slaughter the Christians or Jews living there.'' This is the absolute opposite of what European Crusaders had done when they first took Jerusalem - the Crusaders mercilessly slaughtered every Muslim and as many Jews as they could find. When Salah-al-Din took Jerusalem back, Europe was positive news of massacre would follow, but they never did. Salah-al-Din simply took the city back and nothing more. Hence, the legend of the Noble Heathen. That was because Jerusalem was taken 1099 by an all-out assault, while 1187 Jerusalem surrendered instead of being taken by force. The Medieval custom was to spare the town's inhabitants if the town surrendered; if it was conquered by assault, the town was free to be ravaged for three days and three nights. That said, Saladin was also intentionally invoking the memory of the rise of Islam: almost exactly 550 years earlier, Caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab had taken Jerusalem and entered the city quietly; this conquest had ended several decades where the city repeatedly changed hands between the ByzantineEmpire UsefulNotes/ByzantineEmpire and Sassanid Persia, with the conquerors slaughtering hundreds if not thousands each time for security reasons.[[note]]The Zoroastrian Persians were noted for using Jews as agents, while since the Byzantines were Christian they distrusted Christians as possible spies for Constantinople, and contrariwise the Byzantines distrusted Jews not only as "Christ-killers" (as the Church insisted they were) but also as possible spies for Persia. Each time the Persians took Jerusalem, they killed Christians and brought in Jews; every time the Byzantines took it back, they killed Jews and brought in Christians.[[/note]]\\



* Britain. After fighting UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution and the WarOf1812 with the USA, relations between the two have been quite peaceful. Even before the War of 1812, UsefulNotes/AlexanderHamilton was a big advocate of this as a way to develop America's commercial economy, though his preferred policies didn't go over that well in the climate of Anglophobia immediately following the Revolutionary War. This doesn't mean that tensions disappeared right away, however. There were still occasional squabbles throughout the middle of the 19th century, particularly disputes over the border with Canada. The major border issues were settled by 1850, and at the same time Anglo-American cooperation started to get going; the original Monroe Doctrine, articulated in 1823, served the purposes and had the tacit support of the British, which is why it was taken somewhat seriously by the European powers. The growing trade relationship between the US and Britain--and between the US and Canada--also factored in, and by the 1880s the US and Britain were warily inching towards the alliance that would come to develop over the past century. America's aid helped in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, but it was America's involvement in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, providing much-needed support to British troops who had held off a full-scale German invasion longer than any other nation besides Russia, that sealed the two nations' alliance. Since the days of Churchill and FDR, the US and UK have become nigh-inseparable, and have by far the strongest diplomatic and military alliance of any two autonomous nations in the civilized world.

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* Britain. After fighting UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution and the WarOf1812 UsefulNotes/WarOf1812 with the USA, relations between the two have been quite peaceful. Even before the War of 1812, UsefulNotes/AlexanderHamilton was a big advocate of this as a way to develop America's commercial economy, though his preferred policies didn't go over that well in the climate of Anglophobia immediately following the Revolutionary War. This doesn't mean that tensions disappeared right away, however. There were still occasional squabbles throughout the middle of the 19th century, particularly disputes over the border with Canada. The major border issues were settled by 1850, and at the same time Anglo-American cooperation started to get going; the original Monroe Doctrine, articulated in 1823, served the purposes and had the tacit support of the British, which is why it was taken somewhat seriously by the European powers. The growing trade relationship between the US and Britain--and between the US and Canada--also factored in, and by the 1880s the US and Britain were warily inching towards the alliance that would come to develop over the past century. America's aid helped in UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, but it was America's involvement in UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, providing much-needed support to British troops who had held off a full-scale German invasion longer than any other nation besides Russia, that sealed the two nations' alliance. Since the days of Churchill and FDR, the US and UK have become nigh-inseparable, and have by far the strongest diplomatic and military alliance of any two autonomous nations in the civilized world.



* Actor Bruce Cabot (most famous for ''Film/KingKong'') was a rising star in the 1930s until he lost the lead in ''Film/{{Stagecoach}}'' to Creator/JohnWayne, who quickly eclipsed him as a leading man, effectively demolishing Cabot's chance at stardom. The two later became close friends and Wayne made a point of getting roles for Cabot in many of his own movies.

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* Actor Bruce Cabot (most famous for ''Film/KingKong'') ''Film/{{King Kong|1933}}'') was a rising star in the 1930s until he lost the lead in ''Film/{{Stagecoach}}'' to Creator/JohnWayne, who quickly eclipsed him as a leading man, effectively demolishing Cabot's chance at stardom. The two later became close friends and Wayne made a point of getting roles for Cabot in many of his own movies.
31st Aug '16 2:03:34 PM IamTheCaligula
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** This trope finally got {{averted}} with ''Double Dealing Character'''s BigBad, Seija Kijin, who got the societal upheaval plot of the game rolling by [[ManipulativeBitch manipulating]] [[UnwittingPawn Shinmyoumaru Sukuna]] into doing her bidding. As it turns out, in ''Impossible Spell Card'', following the events of DDC, she was branded an outlaw and hunted by ''everyone'' for all the shit she stirred up.

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** This trope finally got {{averted}} with ''Double Dealing Character'''s BigBad, Seija Kijin, who got the societal upheaval plot of the game rolling by [[ManipulativeBitch manipulating]] [[UnwittingPawn Shinmyoumaru Sukuna]] into doing her bidding. As it turns out, in ''Impossible Spell Card'', following the events of DDC, she was branded an outlaw and hunted by ''everyone'' for all the shit she stirred up. However, Seija is [[BadIsGoodAndGoodIsBad so contrarian]], enemies basically ''are'' friends from her point of view.
27th Aug '16 3:48:34 AM whereismytea
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* In ''Manga/Brave10'', This is [[HowToGatherCharacters how you collect]] Braves, to the point the ''only'' Braves Saizo has never had to fight against are Rokuro and Kakei. He and Sasuke fight on first meeting being [[RedOniBlueOni Iga-Koga ninja rivals]], Yukimura recruited Ana by AssassinOutclassin, and Kamanosuke, Seikai, Benmaru, and Jinpachi all join the team after fighting the Braves although often as not it's the Braves who start it. The case that stretches disbelief the most is [[spoiler:[[TheDragon Hanzo]] in the sequel, to the point the controversy it causes [[BreakingTheFellowship breaks up the Braves]].]]

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* In ''Manga/Brave10'', This this is [[HowToGatherCharacters how you collect]] Braves, to the point the ''only'' Braves Saizo has never had to fight against are Rokuro and Kakei. He and Sasuke fight on first meeting being [[RedOniBlueOni Iga-Koga ninja rivals]], Yukimura recruited Ana by AssassinOutclassin, and Kamanosuke, Seikai, Benmaru, and Jinpachi all join the team after fighting the Braves although often as not it's the Braves who start it. The case that stretches disbelief the most is [[spoiler:[[TheDragon Hanzo]] in the sequel, to the point the controversy it causes [[BreakingTheFellowship breaks up the Braves]].]]
27th Aug '16 3:46:24 AM whereismytea
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* In ''Manga/Brave10'', This is [[HowToGatherCharacters how you collect]] Braves, to the point the ''only'' Braves Saizo has never had to fight against are Rokuro and Kakei. He and Sasuke fight on first meeting being [[RedOniBlueOni Iga-Koga ninja rivals]], Yukimura recruited Ana by AssassinOutclassin, and Kamanosuke, Seikai, Benmaru, and Jinpachi all join the team after fighting the Braves although often as not it's the Braves who start it. The case that stretches disbelief the most is [[spoiler:[[TheDragon Hanzo]] in the sequel, to the point the controversy it causes [[BreakingTheFellowship breaks up the Braves]].]]
24th Aug '16 4:48:40 AM AgProv
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* The treatment the Axis Powers received from the western allies after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. After just seven years of punishing UsefulNotes/WestGermany by keeping the country poor and powerless (as per the 'Morgenthau Plan', which was publicly disavowed but partially enacted), the US extended their general western-European investment drive ('The Marshall Program') to them as well and even released high-ranking ex-Nazi officers from prison (including Erich von Manstein, who had been imprisoned for war crimes against POW and civilians but was released early) so they could found a new German military. The result? A German military that helped redress the BalanceOfPower in Europe against the UsefulNotes/WarsawPact, and more than 60 years of mutual prosperity and relative peace between the former Axis powers and their conquerors. And Japan, following its surrender and the subsequent drafting of its non-aggression constitution, quickly became an ally of the West after [[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong Chairman Mao]] seized power in mainland China, and the outbreak of the KoreanWar. Today, Germany, Italy and Japan are three of the biggest economic powerhouses in the world and the centers of two of the world's foremost currencies (euro and yen, respectively). This wasn't out of altruism, but more of out UsefulNotes/ColdWar strategy. The U.S. [[YanksWithTanks maintains a number of bases]] in both Europe and Asia to project power into Russia and China. And at a more personal level, a number of friendships sprang up between surviving German fighter pilots and their one-time opponents; most famously, German ace Adolf Galland. The famously comfortable circumstances of Anglo-American POW (who were neither used for slave labour nor exterminated) meant that some former-POW and camp-guards also became friends. At a higher level, former Wehrmacht generals like Erich von Manstein cultivated friendships with people such as Captain Sir Basil Hart (who published Rommel's Diaries in English, a notable best-seller of the early '50s).[[note]]The friendships between senior or influential British and German officers predated WW2. There's a reason why the brilliant but maverick Liddell-Hart was refused more than nominal service in WW2 and remained a captain in 1945. Along with Major-General Fuller, the man who originated the Blitzkrieg miltary strategy later perfected by the Germans, he was considered too unreliable for service and a dangerous Nazi sympathiser. Their close pre-war contacts with senior Germans rang all the alarm bells. As did their association with [[Creator/AleisterCrowley ritual occultism]]. German general Heinz guderian, the man eho made the British-originated Blitzkreig concept work in practice, dedicated ''his'' autobiography to ''my close friend, Basil Liddell-Hart''.[[/note]]

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* The treatment the Axis Powers received from the western allies after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. After just seven years of punishing UsefulNotes/WestGermany by keeping the country poor and powerless (as per the 'Morgenthau Plan', which was publicly disavowed but partially enacted), the US extended their general western-European investment drive ('The Marshall Program') to them as well and even released high-ranking ex-Nazi officers from prison (including Erich von Manstein, who had been imprisoned for war crimes against POW and civilians but was released early) so they could found a new German military. The result? A German military that helped redress the BalanceOfPower in Europe against the UsefulNotes/WarsawPact, and more than 60 years of mutual prosperity and relative peace between the former Axis powers and their conquerors. And Japan, following its surrender and the subsequent drafting of its non-aggression constitution, quickly became an ally of the West after [[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong Chairman Mao]] seized power in mainland China, and the outbreak of the KoreanWar. Today, Germany, Italy and Japan are three of the biggest economic powerhouses in the world and the centers of two of the world's foremost currencies (euro and yen, respectively). This wasn't out of altruism, but more of out UsefulNotes/ColdWar strategy. The U.S. [[YanksWithTanks maintains a number of bases]] in both Europe and Asia to project power into Russia and China. And at a more personal level, a number of friendships sprang up between surviving German fighter pilots and their one-time opponents; most famously, German ace Adolf Galland. The famously comfortable circumstances of Anglo-American POW (who were neither used for slave labour nor exterminated) meant that some former-POW and camp-guards also became friends. At a higher level, former Wehrmacht generals like Erich von Manstein cultivated friendships with people such as Captain Sir Basil Hart (who published Rommel's Diaries in English, a notable best-seller of the early '50s).[[note]]The friendships between senior or influential British and German officers predated WW2. There's a reason why the brilliant but maverick Liddell-Hart was refused more than nominal service in WW2 and remained a captain in 1945. Along with Major-General Fuller, the man who originated the Blitzkrieg miltary strategy later perfected by the Germans, he was considered too unreliable for service and a dangerous Nazi sympathiser. Their close pre-war contacts with senior Germans rang all the alarm bells. As did their association with [[Creator/AleisterCrowley ritual occultism]]. German general Heinz guderian, Guderian, the man eho who made the British-originated Blitzkreig concept work in practice, dedicated ''his'' autobiography to ''my close friend, Basil Liddell-Hart''.[[/note]]
24th Aug '16 4:46:30 AM AgProv
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* The treatment the Axis Powers received from the western allies after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. After just seven years of punishing UsefulNotes/WestGermany by keeping the country poor and powerless (as per the 'Morgenthau Plan', which was publicly disavowed but partially enacted), the US extended their general western-European investment drive ('The Marshall Program') to them as well and even released high-ranking ex-Nazi officers from prison (including Erich von Manstein, who had been imprisoned for war crimes against POW and civilians but was released early) so they could found a new German military. The result? A German military that helped redress the BalanceOfPower in Europe against the UsefulNotes/WarsawPact, and more than 60 years of mutual prosperity and relative peace between the former Axis powers and their conquerors. And Japan, following its surrender and the subsequent drafting of its non-aggression constitution, quickly became an ally of the West after [[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong Chairman Mao]] seized power in mainland China, and the outbreak of the KoreanWar. Today, Germany, Italy and Japan are three of the biggest economic powerhouses in the world and the centers of two of the world's foremost currencies (euro and yen, respectively). This wasn't out of altruism, but more of out UsefulNotes/ColdWar strategy. The U.S. [[YanksWithTanks maintains a number of bases]] in both Europe and Asia to project power into Russia and China. And at a more personal level, a number of friendships sprang up between surviving German fighter pilots and their one-time opponents; most famously, German ace Adolf Galland. The famously comfortable circumstances of Anglo-American POW (who were neither used for slave labour nor exterminated) meant that some former-POW and camp-guards also became friends. At a higher level, former Wehrmacht generals like Erich von Manstein cultivated friendships with people such as Captain Sir Basil Hart (who published Rommel's Diaries in English, a notable best-seller of the early '50s).[[note]]The friendships between senior or influential British and German officers predated WW2. There's a reason why the brilliant but maverick Liddell-Hart was refused more than nominal service in WW2 and remained a captain in 1945. Along with Major-General Fuller, the man who originated the Blitzkrieg miltary strategy later perfected by the Germans, he was considered too unreliable for service and a dangerous Nazi sympathiser. Their close pre-war contacts with senior Germans rang all the alarm bells. As did their asociation with [[Creator/AleistarCrowley ritual occultism]]. [[/note]]

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* The treatment the Axis Powers received from the western allies after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. After just seven years of punishing UsefulNotes/WestGermany by keeping the country poor and powerless (as per the 'Morgenthau Plan', which was publicly disavowed but partially enacted), the US extended their general western-European investment drive ('The Marshall Program') to them as well and even released high-ranking ex-Nazi officers from prison (including Erich von Manstein, who had been imprisoned for war crimes against POW and civilians but was released early) so they could found a new German military. The result? A German military that helped redress the BalanceOfPower in Europe against the UsefulNotes/WarsawPact, and more than 60 years of mutual prosperity and relative peace between the former Axis powers and their conquerors. And Japan, following its surrender and the subsequent drafting of its non-aggression constitution, quickly became an ally of the West after [[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong Chairman Mao]] seized power in mainland China, and the outbreak of the KoreanWar. Today, Germany, Italy and Japan are three of the biggest economic powerhouses in the world and the centers of two of the world's foremost currencies (euro and yen, respectively). This wasn't out of altruism, but more of out UsefulNotes/ColdWar strategy. The U.S. [[YanksWithTanks maintains a number of bases]] in both Europe and Asia to project power into Russia and China. And at a more personal level, a number of friendships sprang up between surviving German fighter pilots and their one-time opponents; most famously, German ace Adolf Galland. The famously comfortable circumstances of Anglo-American POW (who were neither used for slave labour nor exterminated) meant that some former-POW and camp-guards also became friends. At a higher level, former Wehrmacht generals like Erich von Manstein cultivated friendships with people such as Captain Sir Basil Hart (who published Rommel's Diaries in English, a notable best-seller of the early '50s).[[note]]The friendships between senior or influential British and German officers predated WW2. There's a reason why the brilliant but maverick Liddell-Hart was refused more than nominal service in WW2 and remained a captain in 1945. Along with Major-General Fuller, the man who originated the Blitzkrieg miltary strategy later perfected by the Germans, he was considered too unreliable for service and a dangerous Nazi sympathiser. Their close pre-war contacts with senior Germans rang all the alarm bells. As did their asociation association with [[Creator/AleistarCrowley [[Creator/AleisterCrowley ritual occultism]]. occultism]]. German general Heinz guderian, the man eho made the British-originated Blitzkreig concept work in practice, dedicated ''his'' autobiography to ''my close friend, Basil Liddell-Hart''.[[/note]]
24th Aug '16 4:44:27 AM AgProv
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* The treatment the Axis Powers received from the western allies after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. After just seven years of punishing UsefulNotes/WestGermany by keeping the country poor and powerless (as per the 'Morgenthau Plan', which was publicly disavowed but partially enacted), the US extended their general western-European investment drive ('The Marshall Program') to them as well and even released high-ranking ex-Nazi officers from prison (including Erich von Manstein, who had been imprisoned for war crimes against POW and civilians but was released early) so they could found a new German military. The result? A German military that helped redress the BalanceOfPower in Europe against the UsefulNotes/WarsawPact, and more than 60 years of mutual prosperity and relative peace between the former Axis powers and their conquerors. And Japan, following its surrender and the subsequent drafting of its non-aggression constitution, quickly became an ally of the West after [[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong Chairman Mao]] seized power in mainland China, and the outbreak of the KoreanWar. Today, Germany, Italy and Japan are three of the biggest economic powerhouses in the world and the centers of two of the world's foremost currencies (euro and yen, respectively). This wasn't out of altruism, but more of out UsefulNotes/ColdWar strategy. The U.S. [[YanksWithTanks maintains a number of bases]] in both Europe and Asia to project power into Russia and China. And at a more personal level, a number of friendships sprang up between surviving German fighter pilots and their one-time opponents; most famously, German ace Adolf Galland. The famously comfortable circumstances of Anglo-American POW (who were neither used for slave labour nor exterminated) meant that some former-POW and camp-guards also became friends. At a higher level, former Wehrmacht generals like Erich von Manstein cultivated friendships with people such as Captain Sir Basil Hart (who published Rommel's Diaries in English, a notable best-seller of the early '50s).

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* The treatment the Axis Powers received from the western allies after UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. After just seven years of punishing UsefulNotes/WestGermany by keeping the country poor and powerless (as per the 'Morgenthau Plan', which was publicly disavowed but partially enacted), the US extended their general western-European investment drive ('The Marshall Program') to them as well and even released high-ranking ex-Nazi officers from prison (including Erich von Manstein, who had been imprisoned for war crimes against POW and civilians but was released early) so they could found a new German military. The result? A German military that helped redress the BalanceOfPower in Europe against the UsefulNotes/WarsawPact, and more than 60 years of mutual prosperity and relative peace between the former Axis powers and their conquerors. And Japan, following its surrender and the subsequent drafting of its non-aggression constitution, quickly became an ally of the West after [[UsefulNotes/MaoZedong Chairman Mao]] seized power in mainland China, and the outbreak of the KoreanWar. Today, Germany, Italy and Japan are three of the biggest economic powerhouses in the world and the centers of two of the world's foremost currencies (euro and yen, respectively). This wasn't out of altruism, but more of out UsefulNotes/ColdWar strategy. The U.S. [[YanksWithTanks maintains a number of bases]] in both Europe and Asia to project power into Russia and China. And at a more personal level, a number of friendships sprang up between surviving German fighter pilots and their one-time opponents; most famously, German ace Adolf Galland. The famously comfortable circumstances of Anglo-American POW (who were neither used for slave labour nor exterminated) meant that some former-POW and camp-guards also became friends. At a higher level, former Wehrmacht generals like Erich von Manstein cultivated friendships with people such as Captain Sir Basil Hart (who published Rommel's Diaries in English, a notable best-seller of the early '50s).[[note]]The friendships between senior or influential British and German officers predated WW2. There's a reason why the brilliant but maverick Liddell-Hart was refused more than nominal service in WW2 and remained a captain in 1945. Along with Major-General Fuller, the man who originated the Blitzkrieg miltary strategy later perfected by the Germans, he was considered too unreliable for service and a dangerous Nazi sympathiser. Their close pre-war contacts with senior Germans rang all the alarm bells. As did their asociation with [[Creator/AleistarCrowley ritual occultism]]. [[/note]]
21st Aug '16 10:39:10 AM nombretomado
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* Rosof Tions of ''{{Drowtales}}'' ends up becoming Quain'tana's most loyal follower after she defeats the leader of his minor clan and defeats him in single combat. His advice and actions led to Quain'tana's clan becoming one of the most powerful clans in their entire kingdom and he harbors an unrequited love for her.

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* Rosof Tions of ''{{Drowtales}}'' ''Webcomic/{{Drowtales}}'' ends up becoming Quain'tana's most loyal follower after she defeats the leader of his minor clan and defeats him in single combat. His advice and actions led to Quain'tana's clan becoming one of the most powerful clans in their entire kingdom and he harbors an unrequited love for her.



* Played straight in ''Webcomic/OurLittleAdventure''. Pauline the barbarian joins the group after getting defeated in combat.
** Inverted later in the comic when [[TalkingAnimal Norveg]] 'defeats' [[JerkAss Angelika]] by deflecting a thrown bottle at him back at her. Norveg joins her after as her familiar.

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* ''Webcomic/OurLittleAdventure'':
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Played straight in ''Webcomic/OurLittleAdventure''. when Pauline the barbarian joins the group after getting defeated in combat.
** Inverted later in the comic when [[TalkingAnimal Norveg]] 'defeats' [[JerkAss Angelika]] by deflecting a thrown bottle at him back at her. Norveg joins her after as her familiar.
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