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17th May '16 5:03:18 AM erforce
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Finally, outright parody bands such as SpinalTap may get a bye on the basis that they were really attacking the sort of band they pretend to be.

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Finally, outright parody bands such as SpinalTap [[Film/ThisIsSpinalTap Spinal Tap]] may get a bye on the basis that they were really attacking the sort of band they pretend to be.
6th May '16 7:29:07 AM Luc
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That being said, the genre is worth mentioning because it provides one of the most defensible cases of a "not part of the genre" defense of an artist: Music/JohnnyCash was, by the 1980s, was thought by most country music executives to be washed up and incapable of attracting younger fans. Then he hooked up with producer Music/RickRubin for a series of recordings featuring covers of artists such as Nine Inch Nails in classic Johnny Cash style. These were a huge success with young AlternativeRock fans, revitalizing Cash's career.

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That being said, the genre is worth mentioning because it provides one of the most defensible cases of a "not part of the genre" defense of an artist: Music/JohnnyCash was, by the 1980s, was thought by most country music executives to be washed up and incapable of attracting younger fans. Then he hooked up with producer Music/RickRubin for a series of recordings featuring covers of artists such as Nine Inch Nails in classic Johnny Cash style. These were a huge success with young AlternativeRock fans, revitalizing Cash's career.career.

!!Singer-Songwriter Style (aka "White Guy With Acoustic Guitar")

The complaint here is that a single guy on a guitar or piano is, in essence, the simplest setup you can possibly have, bar a single singer singing acapella. While useful for demos, and songs that require that kind of simplicity (for example, a song clearly intended to show off the singer's raw singing ability), most songs using such a minimal setup do nothing to "earn" the usage of such minimalism, and instead convey the feeling that the artist only put in the bare minimum amount of effort necessary to release the song.
20th Feb '16 3:00:53 PM BigBertha
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As in Mainstream Radio above, these bands are often accused of being repetitive and banal - if not outright bashed, there's a good chance that they'll be described as "middle-of-the-road, comfort food rock". These bands tend to fall in the [[CriticProof sold millions of albums but nobody seems to actually like them]] trap. It's also unpopular among fans of the original grunge bands, who see it as a watered-down, mainstream-baiting response to an "authentic" rock movement.

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As in Mainstream Radio above, these bands are often accused of being repetitive and banal - if not outright bashed, there's a good chance that they'll be described as "middle-of-the-road, comfort food rock". These bands tend to fall in the [[CriticProof sold millions of albums but nobody seems to actually like them]] trap. It's also unpopular among fans of the original grunge bands, who see it as a watered-down, mainstream-baiting response to an "authentic" rock movement.
movement. The genre died out in TheNewTens, with the few bands that didn't sing about SexDrugsAndRockAndRoll [[NewSoundAlbum adopting elements of other genres]] in order to keep their chart success alive. Most of the bands who refused to change their sound are invariably DeaderThanDisco.
8th Feb '16 10:41:02 AM MegaMarioMan
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Amateur critics on the Web aren't quite as dogmatic as the professionals, because the amateurs aren't part of an establishment that declares who is hot and who is not. But since anybody with an internet connection and library can be a critic, amateurs often have their own personal DeadHorseGenre, which they flog as hard as the professionals do with theirs.

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Amateur critics on the Web aren't quite as dogmatic as the professionals, because the amateurs aren't part of an establishment that declares who is hot and who is not. But since anybody with an internet connection and library can be a critic, amateurs often have their own personal DeadHorseGenre, Dead Horse Genre, which they flog as hard as the professionals do with theirs.
3rd Feb '16 3:21:12 PM deimos415
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After floating around in the outer reaches of the record industry for decades, the success of African-American musical genres like jazz, blues, soul and funk in the 1960s finally brought it to the forefront by the beginning of the 1970s. However, many objected to the glitzy, [[FlamboyantGay camped-out]] commercialism, claiming it "sucked all of the soul" out of the music. Disco came under a backlash from two sides - white rock fans despised the genre due to its [[WolverinePublicity ubiquity]] and perceived threat to RockAndRoll's dominance, while black {{Funk}} fans trashed the genre as soulless, vapid and stupid, angry over how it pushed their heroes (Music/JamesBrown, Music/GeorgeClinton et al.) and hard-edged funk out of the charts. When the hammer fell on the genre, it fell ''hard'', and [[DeaderThanDisco practically no one will now admit]] to having come within a billion miles of it at its height. "X was into disco in the 70s" jokes are practically a staple of the SitCom genre. It tried to resurrect itself in disguise as 80s High-Energy, but could not reclaim its once-lofty position.

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After floating around in the outer reaches of the record industry for decades, the success of African-American musical genres like jazz, blues, soul and funk in the 1960s finally brought it to the forefront by the beginning of the 1970s. However, many objected to the glitzy, [[FlamboyantGay camped-out]] commercialism, claiming it "sucked all of the soul" out of the music. Disco came under a backlash from two sides - white rock fans despised the genre due to its [[WolverinePublicity ubiquity]] and perceived threat to RockAndRoll's dominance, while black {{Funk}} fans trashed the genre as soulless, vapid and stupid, angry over how it pushed their heroes (Music/JamesBrown, Music/GeorgeClinton et al.) and hard-edged funk out of the charts. When the hammer fell on the genre, it fell ''hard'', and [[DeaderThanDisco practically no one will now admit]] to having come within a billion miles of it at its height. "X was into disco in the 70s" jokes are practically a staple of the SitCom genre. It tried to resurrect itself in disguise as 80s High-Energy, but could not reclaim its once-lofty position.
position. Notably, although it can't retake the position it once held, time has helped to soften the once incredibly harsh attitudes towards the genre; especially with a growing set of generations that have since come up without all the vitriol aimed at it. This has allowed certain elements of Disco music to come back with a modern flair in a better fashion than its' prior 80's resurrection attempt.



Back in the 70s most animes had their own catchy theme songs. However during the 80s it was slowly phased out for J-pop or J-Rock tracks which are easy to license and seem more normal for listening. Good luck finding a theme song for anything past kids shows nowadays. Even Franchise/KamenRider is a bit more unconventional with its newer openings and end theme songs than, say, Franchise/SuperSentai. This was heavily lampshaded in ''LightNovel/{{Kampfer}}'' as Kaede speaks of anime openings being normal compared to say cartoon opening

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Back in the 70s most animes had their own catchy theme songs. However during the 80s it was slowly phased out for J-pop or J-Rock tracks which are easy to license and seem more normal for listening. Good luck finding a theme song for anything past kids shows nowadays. Even Franchise/KamenRider is a bit more unconventional with its newer openings and end theme songs than, say, Franchise/SuperSentai. This was heavily lampshaded in ''LightNovel/{{Kampfer}}'' as Kaede speaks of anime openings being normal compared to say cartoon opening
openings. Helps that thanks to increasing deals and connections between studios, networks, and production groups - the songs are now commonly used as a way to help sell that particular artist just as much as the show itself.
11th Dec '15 12:29:04 PM SpectralTime
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Ironically the genre that pushed Contemporary R&B off the charts is also deader than a door nail.

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Ironically the fusion genre that pushed Contemporary R&B off the charts is also deader than a door nail.
nail. Its heavy hip-hop influence was its undoing: the harder hip-hop acts, primarily the early, socially-conscious gangsta rap movement, criticized it as a watered-down version of their own music, incorporating their production techniques but commercialized for a wider audience and missing the core message. Rapper Music/IceCube, in his song "Wrong Nigga To Fuck Wit," uttered the immortal line, "It ain't no pop 'cause that sucks/And you can new jack swing on my nuts." By the end of the early 90's, it had faded away.
8th Dec '15 5:51:32 AM LondonKdS
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NuMetal is an umbrella term coined in the mid-1990s to refer to music that blends heavy metal elements with other styles, typically {{Industrial}} and AlternativeMetal. NuMetal is hated by many metalheads, who stereotype it as commercial and musically simple. In fact, there are many that argue NuMetal isn't even a subgenre of metal, but rather a fusion genre that happens to have noticeable elements of metal in it. although some music critics argue that it is an experimental and diverse genre, which it very well could have been if the more commercially viable elements hadn't been milked to death. The original concept lives on as AvantGardeMetal to some degree, but outside of a few acts that either abandoned the more disliked aspects of the genre or simply got too big to die, the genre of nu metal itself is still largely viewed as a punchline for jokes about late-Nineties suburban excess.

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NuMetal is an umbrella term coined in the mid-1990s to refer to music that blends heavy metal elements with other styles, typically {{Industrial}} and AlternativeMetal. NuMetal is hated by many metalheads, who stereotype it as commercial and musically simple. It's also hated by many non-metalheads, who view it as crass, misogynistic and pointlessly obnoxious - a bunch of {{Jerk Jock}}s "stealing" the clothes of the weird kids. In fact, there are many that argue NuMetal isn't even a subgenre of metal, but rather a fusion genre that happens to have noticeable elements of metal in it. although some music critics argue that it is an experimental and diverse genre, which it very well could have been if the more commercially viable elements hadn't been milked to death. The original concept lives on as AvantGardeMetal to some degree, but outside of a few acts that either abandoned the more disliked aspects of the genre or simply got too big to die, the genre of nu metal itself is still largely viewed as a punchline for jokes about late-Nineties suburban excess.
21st Oct '15 2:22:52 PM Luc
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A marginally case. Most critics recognize that Country Music is Not Intended For Them, and so many ignore it. But even so, Country Music's post-approximately-1975 tendency towards mawkishness and sentimentality has made it a favorite whipping boy (and let's not get started on "Bro Country", which is probably worth a section in itself).

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A marginally marginal case. Most critics recognize that Country Music is Not Intended For Them, and so many ignore it. But even so, Country Music's post-approximately-1975 tendency towards mawkishness and sentimentality has made it a favorite whipping boy (and let's not get started on "Bro Country", which is probably worth a section in itself).
9th Oct '15 1:03:53 AM Luc
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Most of these genres have one or two exceptions, the creators that the critics like in spite of it all. Of course, the critics usually spend their time trying to explain that no, these bands [[NoTrueScotsman aren't really part of the hated genre at all.]]

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Most of these genres have one or two exceptions, the creators that the critics like in spite of it all. Of course, the critics usually spend their time trying to explain that no, these bands [[NoTrueScotsman aren't really part of the hated genre at all.]]
all]]-- although it should be noted that in some cases this is more true than others.


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!!Country music

A marginally case. Most critics recognize that Country Music is Not Intended For Them, and so many ignore it. But even so, Country Music's post-approximately-1975 tendency towards mawkishness and sentimentality has made it a favorite whipping boy (and let's not get started on "Bro Country", which is probably worth a section in itself).

That being said, the genre is worth mentioning because it provides one of the most defensible cases of a "not part of the genre" defense of an artist: Music/JohnnyCash was, by the 1980s, was thought by most country music executives to be washed up and incapable of attracting younger fans. Then he hooked up with producer Music/RickRubin for a series of recordings featuring covers of artists such as Nine Inch Nails in classic Johnny Cash style. These were a huge success with young AlternativeRock fans, revitalizing Cash's career.
4th Sep '15 12:37:49 PM IronBlue
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It's been produced for more than 20 years, but it looks like its number is almost up, it's fallen out of popularity even in its main market, Japan. Para Para dancing, its raison d'etre, has also mostly gone out of style and is largely considered a passing fad. Dave Rodgers (Giancarlo Pasquini), one of the founding fathers of the genre, is himself abandoning Eurobeat and moving to other styles. There's no sense in [[{{Pun}} Eurobeating a dead horse]].

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It's been produced for more than 20 years, but it looks like its number is almost up, it's fallen out of popularity even in its main market, Japan. Para Para dancing, its raison d'etre, has also mostly gone out of style and is largely considered a passing fad. Dave Rodgers (Giancarlo Pasquini), one of the founding fathers of the genre, is himself abandoning Eurobeat and moving to other styles. There's styles, along with the InitialD anime adaptation ending in 2014 (probably one of the reasons why one would know about the genre) and phasing it out in favor of J-rock in the newer Legend movies (big-screen remakes of First Stage), there's no sense in [[{{Pun}} Eurobeating a dead horse]].
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