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21st Aug '16 10:38:10 AM nombretomado
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* The Black Sun in ''{{Drowtales}}'' use a cypher language that [[http://forums.drowtales.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17171&start=30#p743649 one fan]] [[http://forums.drowtales.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17178#p743857 helpfully translated]].

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* The Black Sun in ''{{Drowtales}}'' ''Webcomic/{{Drowtales}}'' use a cypher language that [[http://forums.drowtales.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17171&start=30#p743649 one fan]] [[http://forums.drowtales.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17178#p743857 helpfully translated]].
15th Aug '16 3:08:55 PM NoIdea
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** In fact, at the exception of one glyphe, somebody manage to fully translate this message: [[http://www.planetezebes.com/metroid.php?section=prime2echoes&page=glyphes]]

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** In fact, at the exception of one glyphe, somebody a french guy manage to fully translate this message: [[http://www.planetezebes.com/metroid.php?section=prime2echoes&page=glyphes]]
15th Aug '16 3:06:46 PM NoIdea
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** In fact, at the exception of one glyphe, somebody manage to fully translate this message: [[http://www.planetezebes.com/metroid.php?section=prime2echoes&page=glyphes]]
13th Aug '16 4:10:34 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'': The Elites' language in the original ''VideoGame/{{Halo|Combat Evolved}}'' is English [[SubliminalSeduction played backwards and distorted]]. In addition, backwards messages from the Gravemind are hidden in "Mausoleum Suite" from ''VideoGame/{{Halo 2}}'', and "Black Tower" and "Gravemind" from ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}''.

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* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'': The In ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'', the Elites' language in the original ''VideoGame/{{Halo|Combat Evolved}}'' ''VideoGame/HaloCombatEvolved'' is English [[SubliminalSeduction played backwards and distorted]]. In addition, backwards messages from the Gravemind are hidden in "Mausoleum Suite" from ''VideoGame/{{Halo 2}}'', and "Black Tower" and "Gravemind" from ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}''.
13th Aug '16 4:10:04 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* The Elites' language in the original ''VideoGame/{{Halo|Combat Evolved}}'' is English [[SubliminalSeduction played backwards and distorted]]. In addition, backwards messages from the Gravemind are hidden in "Mausoleum Suite" from ''VideoGame/{{Halo 2}}'', and "Black Tower" and "Gravemind" from ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}''.

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* ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'': The Elites' language in the original ''VideoGame/{{Halo|Combat Evolved}}'' is English [[SubliminalSeduction played backwards and distorted]]. In addition, backwards messages from the Gravemind are hidden in "Mausoleum Suite" from ''VideoGame/{{Halo 2}}'', and "Black Tower" and "Gravemind" from ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}''.
3rd Jul '16 5:08:08 PM nombretomado
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* ''Franchise/{{BIONICLE}}'' is a borderline case. It claims that the characters are [[TranslationConvention speaking a different language]], but it also provides a 26-letter alphabet with stylized, circular or hexagonal letters, and most of the written text in the canon consists of English words written in the BIONICLE Glyphs. Then again, this may still be the TranslationConvention at work.

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* ''Franchise/{{BIONICLE}}'' ''Toys/{{BIONICLE}}'' is a borderline case. It claims that the characters are [[TranslationConvention speaking a different language]], but it also provides a 26-letter alphabet with stylized, circular or hexagonal letters, and most of the written text in the canon consists of English words written in the BIONICLE Glyphs. Then again, this may still be the TranslationConvention at work.
4th Jun '16 7:26:32 PM Ryulong
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* In ''Series/KamenRiderGaim'', possibly as a MythologyGag, the Overlord Inves speak in a foreign language that's, again, a cipher of Japanese. The language was subtitled into Japanese on the show, but the closed captioning track itself included the original cypher, allowing people to [[http://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E8%AA%9E figure out the pattern]]. Unlike in Grongi, the sentence structure remains the same.

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* In ''Series/KamenRiderGaim'', possibly as a MythologyGag, the Overlord Inves speak in a foreign language that's, again, a cipher of Japanese. The language was subtitled into Japanese on the show, but the closed captioning track itself included the original cypher, allowing people to [[http://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E8%AA%9E [[http://bit.ly/1Y8PHYY figure out the pattern]]. Unlike in Grongi, the sentence structure remains the same.
4th Jun '16 7:25:26 PM Ryulong
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* In ''Series/KamenRiderGaim'', possibly as a MythologyGag, the Overlord Inves speak in a foreign language that's, again, a cipher of Japanese. The language was subtitled into Japanese on the show, but the closed captioning track itself included the original cypher, allowing people to [[http://hero.myht.org/index.php/%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E8%AA%9E figure out the pattern]]. Unlike in Grongi, the sentence structure remains the same.

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* In ''Series/KamenRiderGaim'', possibly as a MythologyGag, the Overlord Inves speak in a foreign language that's, again, a cipher of Japanese. The language was subtitled into Japanese on the show, but the closed captioning track itself included the original cypher, allowing people to [[http://hero.myht.org/index.php/%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E8%AA%9E [[http://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E8%AA%9E figure out the pattern]]. Unlike in Grongi, the sentence structure remains the same.
4th Jun '16 7:23:01 PM Ryulong
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* In ''Series/KamenRiderGaim'', possibly as a MythologyGag, the Overlord Inves speak in a foreign language that's, again, a cipher of Japanese. The language was subtitled into Japanese on the show, but the subtitle track itself included the original cypher, allowing people to [[http://hero.myht.org/index.php/%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E8%AA%9E figure out the pattern]]. Unlike in Grongi, the sentence structure remains the same.

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* In ''Series/KamenRiderGaim'', possibly as a MythologyGag, the Overlord Inves speak in a foreign language that's, again, a cipher of Japanese. The language was subtitled into Japanese on the show, but the subtitle closed captioning track itself included the original cypher, allowing people to [[http://hero.myht.org/index.php/%E3%82%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%89%E8%AA%9E figure out the pattern]]. Unlike in Grongi, the sentence structure remains the same.
9th May '16 2:47:22 PM margdean56
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* The Literature/ArtemisFowl series has lines of Gnommish and Centaurian running along the bottom of each page (ommited in some U.S. editions.) Rather than being graphemes of a full-on ConLang they constitute a CypherLanguage offereing [[EasterEgg secret messages]] to those who decode them.
** Though this is only applicable for the codes along the bottom of the pages- in-universe, Colfer instead makes them completely separate languages.

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* The Literature/ArtemisFowl series has lines of Gnommish and Centaurian running along the bottom of each page (ommited (omitted in some U.S. editions.) Rather than being graphemes of a full-on ConLang they constitute a CypherLanguage offereing offering [[EasterEgg secret messages]] to those who decode them.
** Though this is only applicable for the codes along the bottom of the pages- in-universe, pages--in-universe, Colfer instead makes them completely separate languages.



* Even Creator/JRRTolkien was not above this. The writing on the map in ''Literature/TheHobbit'' is plain English, written with Old Norse runes as a simple substitution cipher. If you already knew the runes it wasn't that much of a cipher. To be fair, he was supposed to have been translating the Red Book in the first place to get the Hobbit. At least, he was by the time he finished Lord of the Rings.
** FridgeBrilliance at play here: The ''lingua franca'' of Middle-Earth is Westron, presented as modern English, and older names and terms (mostly those concerning Rohan) are derived from Old English/Anglo-Saxon - however, these are only Tolkien's stand-ins for the actual Westron, which in-universe are a lot closer to Adûnaic, which is a language in its own right and bears little to no similarity to Indo-European languages. Odds are that the heavy usage of nordic-looking runes is just a placeholder for the actual letters used in the areas where Westron is spoken.
** This is stated in the ''[[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings LotR]]'' title page. The Cirth at the top reads "The Lord of the Rings, translated from the red book" while the Tengwar at the bottom continues, "of Westmarch by John Ronald Reuel Tolkien. Herein is set forth the history of the War of the Ring and the return of the King as seen by the Hobbits."
** Most of the people who use tengwar in RealLife are using it in this context, rather than using it to write actual Elvish languages, though the better ones at least make a set of phonetic rules to write English in rather than substituting English spelling.
** Tolkein's runes aren't a "simple" substitution cipher. The phonetic rules are necessary because, for example, there's no direct equivalent of the letter X, and the combination TH is represented by a single character (and depends on whether it's voiced (then) or unvoiced (thin)).

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* Even Creator/JRRTolkien was not above this. The writing on the map in ''Literature/TheHobbit'' is plain English, written with Old Norse runes as a simple substitution cipher. If you already knew the runes it wasn't that much of a cipher. To be fair, he was supposed to have been translating the Red Book in the first place to get the Hobbit. ''The Hobbit''. At least, he was by the time he finished Lord ''Lord of the Rings.
Rings''.
** FridgeBrilliance at play here: The ''lingua franca'' of Middle-Earth is Westron, presented as modern English, and older names and terms (mostly those concerning Rohan) are derived from Old English/Anglo-Saxon - -- however, these are only Tolkien's stand-ins for the actual Westron, which in-universe are a lot closer to Adûnaic, which is a language in its own right and bears little to no similarity to Indo-European languages. Odds are that the heavy usage of nordic-looking runes is just a placeholder for the actual letters used in the areas where Westron is spoken.
** This is stated in the ''[[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings LotR]]'' title page. The Cirth at the top reads read "The Lord of the Rings, translated from the red book" Red Book" while the Tengwar at the bottom continues, continue, "of Westmarch by John Ronald Reuel Tolkien. Herein is set forth the history of the War of the Ring and the return of the King as seen by the Hobbits."
** Most of the people who use tengwar in RealLife are using it in this context, way, rather than using it to write actual Elvish languages, though the better ones at least make a set of phonetic rules to write English in rather than substituting English spelling.
** Tolkein's Tolkien's runes aren't a "simple" substitution cipher. The phonetic rules are necessary because, for example, there's no direct equivalent of the letter X, and the combination TH is represented by a single character (and depends on whether it's voiced (then) or unvoiced (thin)).
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