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30th Sep '16 12:24:39 AM cpslck
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** In fact, the cycle goes back even further. [[spoiler:Zemo]] is only attacking the Avengers because of Sokovia and Ultron. However, Tony created Ultron after he was [[MindRape mind-raped]] by Scarlet Witch who joined HYDRA seeking revenge for her parents being killed by a Stark Industries weapon (Likely one of the ones [[Film/IronMan Obadiah Stane was dealing under the table]]).
27th Aug '16 11:55:00 AM Bissek
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* This is a key part of the first two arcs of the ''Literature/ElementalAssassin'' novels. Mab Monroe killed the family of Genevieve Snow, so she grew up to be the assassin Gin Blanco and killed Mab. Then Mab's daughter Madeline comes to town and seeks revenge for the death of her parents (the father was another casualty of the Snow/Monroe feud). When Gin finally defeats her, she learns that Madeline has a young daughter, [[WouldNotHurtAChild but refuses to end the cycle by eradicating the Monroe line]], instead arranging for the child to be returned to his father's custody. When asked if this was a good idea, Gin replies that they'll find out in twenty years or so.
22nd Aug '16 7:15:29 AM Dravencour
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* This was [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne's]] reasoning as to why he forbade [[Character/{{Nightwing}} Dick Grayson]] to take up the Mantle of the Bat and chose [[ComicBook/{{Azrael}} Jean-Paul Valley]] instead in ''ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}''. However, this turned out to be an even worse decision.

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* This was [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne's]] reasoning as to why he forbade [[Character/{{Nightwing}} Dick Grayson]] to take up the Mantle of the Bat and chose [[ComicBook/{{Azrael}} Jean-Paul Valley]] instead in ''ComicBook/{{Knightfall}}''. However, this turned out to be an even worse decision.decision thanks to Scarecrow's infamous fear gas triggering Jean-Paul's [[BrainwashedAndCrazy brainwashing by the Order of St. Dumas]], causing an ever-increasing level of brutality that ultimately forces Bruce to take back the Mantle of the Bat.
7th Aug '16 2:58:32 PM Dravencour
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This trope, which happens a lot in the less idealistic revenge stories (as revenge stories can get idealistic anyway), demonstrates the fundamental flaw in the [[DarthWiki/WarpThatAesop common warping]] of the moral maxim "[[TheGoldenRule do unto others as you want others to do unto you]]" into "Do unto others ''what'' they did unto you".

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This trope, which happens a lot in the less idealistic revenge stories (as (insofar as revenge stories can get idealistic anyway), ''get'' idealistic), demonstrates the fundamental flaw in the [[DarthWiki/WarpThatAesop common warping]] of the moral maxim "[[TheGoldenRule do unto others as you want others to do unto you]]" into "Do unto others ''what'' they did unto you".
7th Aug '16 2:55:56 PM Dravencour
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This trope, which happens a lot in the less idealistic revenge stories (as revenge stories can get idealistic anyway), demonstrates the flaws in the [[DarthWiki/WarpThatAesop common warping]] of the moral maxim "[[TheGoldenRule do unto others as you want others to do unto you]]" into "Do unto others ''what'' they did unto you".

The actual Golden Rule is about always attempting to look at things from the perspective of others, freely forgiving wrongs, and believing that no one should have to suffer at all, even if they deserve to. This warped form, however, becomes Newtonian EquivalentExchange "justice", and can further mutate into Entropy: Because of the complex web of genetic and social bonds that one forms over a lifetime, as well as the interactions between everyone entangled in that web, revenge might well begin with you but it most likely will not end with you. If he deserved to be treated how he treated you, ''his'' loved ones may also believe that ''you'' deserve to be treated like you treated him too. And yours may believe the same. And so on.

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This trope, which happens a lot in the less idealistic revenge stories (as revenge stories can get idealistic anyway), demonstrates the flaws fundamental flaw in the [[DarthWiki/WarpThatAesop common warping]] of the moral maxim "[[TheGoldenRule do unto others as you want others to do unto you]]" into "Do unto others ''what'' they did unto you".

The actual Golden Rule is about always attempting to look at things from the perspective of others, freely forgiving wrongs, and believing that no one should have to suffer at all, even if they deserve to. This warped form, however, becomes Newtonian EquivalentExchange "justice", and can further mutate into Entropy: Because of the complex web of genetic and social bonds that one forms over a lifetime, as well as the interactions between everyone entangled in that web, revenge might well begin with you but it most likely will not end with you. If he deserved to be treated how he treated you, ''his'' loved ones may also believe that ''you'' deserve to be treated like you treated him too. And yours may believe the same. And so on.
on and so forth. The result of this is frequently what is called a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feud Blood Feud]] or Vendetta.
7th Aug '16 2:40:21 PM Dravencour
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* A somewhat humorous variant occurs sometimes in Japan. When one person gives another a gift, it is often considered polite to give a "thank you" gift in return. This can occasionally prompt the first person to give ''another'' gift, until neither party wants to "lose" by being the first to not give a gift.

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* A non-violent and somewhat humorous variant occurs sometimes in Japan. When one person gives another a gift, it is often considered polite to give a "thank you" gift in return. This can occasionally prompt the first person to give ''another'' gift, until neither party wants to "lose" by being the first to not give a gift.
7th Aug '16 2:37:15 PM Dravencour
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* Fans of ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' know the tragic story of Victor Fries -- everything he does is motivated by a mad lust for revenge against those ho holds responsible for what happened to his wife, Nora. Unfortunately, this creates a cycle that continues in ''WebAnimation/GothamGirls'', where Nora's sister Dora Smithy became obsessed with vengeance against ''Freeze'' for what he did to Nora, and in the process became more or less his female equivalent, eventually cemented by her own KarmicTransformation into [[DistaffCounterpart an icy mutate with no emotion left]] but her love for Nora, locked away in Arkham [[HeWhoFightsMonsters just like her hated brother-in-law.]]

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* Fans of ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' know the tragic story of Victor Fries -- everything he does is motivated by a mad lust for revenge against those ho who he holds responsible for what happened to his wife, Nora. Unfortunately, this creates a cycle that continues in ''WebAnimation/GothamGirls'', where Nora's sister Dora Smithy became obsessed with vengeance against ''Freeze'' for what he did to Nora, and in the process became more or less his female equivalent, eventually cemented by her own KarmicTransformation into [[DistaffCounterpart an icy mutate mutant with no emotion left]] but her love for Nora, locked away in Arkham [[HeWhoFightsMonsters just like her hated brother-in-law.]]



* In ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' has one in [[spoiler:Yakone's family. Yakone was a vicious mob boss who was an extremely powerful bloodbender, forcing Aang to take away his bending. Yakone raised his children as {{Tykebomb}}s to take revenge on Republic City and the Avatar for this. This abuse caused one of his sons, Noatak, to seek revenge on Benders in general, becoming [[BigBad Amon]], while his brother Tarrlok ended up becoming a pseudo-fascist politician with ambitions of ruling Republic City. Ultimately, both brothers ended up becoming Yakone's instruments of revenge, in spite of their attempts to escape his plans. Tarrlok finally ends the cycle by [[HeroicSacrifice killing himself along with Amon]], ending Yakone's legacy along with them.]]

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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' has one in [[spoiler:Yakone's family. Yakone was a vicious mob boss who was an extremely powerful bloodbender, forcing Aang to take away his bending. Yakone raised his children as {{Tykebomb}}s to take revenge on Republic City and the Avatar for this. This abuse caused drove one of his sons, Noatak, to seek revenge on Benders in general, becoming [[BigBad Amon]], while his brother Tarrlok ended up becoming a pseudo-fascist politician with ambitions of ruling Republic City. Ultimately, both brothers ended up becoming Yakone's instruments of revenge, in spite of their attempts to escape his plans. Tarrlok finally ends the cycle by [[HeroicSacrifice killing himself along with Amon]], ending Yakone's legacy along with them.]]
1st Aug '16 1:44:24 AM MrThorfan64
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** Later, Oberyn Martell tries to avenge his sister by fighting her murderer, Ser Gregor Clegane (a.k.a. [[GiantMook "The Mountain that Rides"]]) [[spoiler:and is killed despite giving the Mountain a poisoned wound. His older bastard daughters want vengeance. However, his Paramour tells them to break the cycle, as she fears them trying to avenge their father may get them killed and draw her daughters into the cycle of revenge, along with the fact that the people who murdered their relatives are all dead by now.]] Oberyn's brother Prince Doran Martell seems to support the idea of breaking the cycle, betrothing one of his sons to Cersei Lannister's daughter Myrcella, [[spoiler:however he is planning revenge on the Lannisters, but is very subtle about it and wants it done in a way that doesn't make the Dornish suffer.]]

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** Later, Oberyn Martell tries to avenge his sister by fighting her murderer, Ser Gregor Clegane (a.k.a. [[GiantMook "The Mountain that Rides"]]) [[spoiler:and is killed despite giving the Mountain a poisoned wound. His older bastard daughters want vengeance. However, his Paramour Ellaria Sand tells them to break the cycle, as she fears them trying to avenge their father may get them killed and draw her daughters into the cycle of revenge, along with the fact that the people who murdered their relatives are all dead by now.]] Oberyn's brother Prince Doran Martell seems to support the idea of breaking the cycle, betrothing one of his sons to Cersei Lannister's daughter Myrcella, [[spoiler:however he is planning revenge on the Lannisters, but is very subtle about it and wants it done in a way that doesn't make the Dornish suffer.]]
31st Jul '16 10:06:14 AM nombretomado
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* In a sort of one-sided variation, old DCComics villain/antihero ''TheShade'' keeps being pursued by the descendants of the Ludlows a family of murderers who attempted to rob and kill him in the Victorian era. Unfortunately for the family, Shade had just experienced the event that would grant him his unexplained powers, and slayed the entire family with his shadow demons... except for the pair of twins living upstairs.

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* In a sort of one-sided variation, old DCComics Creator/DCComics villain/antihero ''TheShade'' keeps being pursued by the descendants of the Ludlows a family of murderers who attempted to rob and kill him in the Victorian era. Unfortunately for the family, Shade had just experienced the event that would grant him his unexplained powers, and slayed the entire family with his shadow demons... except for the pair of twins living upstairs.
28th Jul '16 3:00:51 PM IamTheCaligula
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* In the ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' game, Imperishable Night, [[FinalBoss Kaguya Houraisan]] and [[BonusBoss Fujiwara no Mokou]] respectively want to kill each other as revenge for the numerous previous ''successful'' attempts on each other's lives -- they're immortal, and can regenerate even if their bodies are ''entirely destroyed''. And it all started when Kaguya rejected Mokou's father's marriage proposal, 1300 years ago. This is just one of Touhou's many moments.
** The interesting thing about this rivalry is, despite the constant violence, neither participant particularly wants it to end. Mokou is explicitly mentioned to have [[AxCrazy lost the plot]] for a couple of centuries back there and it's heavily hinted that presently the bitter rivalry is the only thing keeping her sane.

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* In the ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' game, Imperishable Night, [[FinalBoss Kaguya Houraisan]] and [[BonusBoss Fujiwara no Mokou]] respectively want to kill each other as revenge for the numerous previous ''successful'' attempts on each other's lives -- they're immortal, [[CompleteImmortality completely immortal]], and can regenerate even if their bodies are ''entirely destroyed''. And it all started when Kaguya rejected Mokou's father's marriage proposal, 1300 years ago. This is just one of Touhou's many moments.
** The interesting thing about this rivalry is, despite the constant violence, neither participant particularly wants it to end. Mokou is explicitly mentioned to have [[AxCrazy lost the plot]] for a couple of centuries back there and it's heavily hinted that presently the bitter rivalry is presently the only thing keeping her sane.sane. And even without that possible incentive, she also derives some form of {{catharsis}} from perpetuating their eternal stalemate... And as for Kaguya? Well, she doesn't want the rivalry to end because Mokou is just too much fun. If she and Mokou didn't keep coming up with new ways to kill each other, she'd grow bored.
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