History Main / CycleOfRevenge

16th Sep '17 4:20:28 PM nombretomado
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* In the WarOf1812, the British would commit war crimes on American settlements in response to "American savagery" inflicted on British-American settlements, which in turn would cause the Americans to burn more British settlements, in revenge for "British savagery". The most triumphant example of this was when the Americans burned the Canadian city of York (modern Toronto, the largest city, and the De facto capital of British Canada at the time) only for the British to respond by torching the public buildings of Washington DC. In the same war, soldiers from both sides would routinely collect the scalps from the corpses of enemy soldiers as trophies. Newspapers on both sides demonised the other side for this practice, calling their enemies "little more than Indian savages", but at the same time, newspapers would be willing to turn a blind eye to this exact same activity on their own side. Since the war ended with the exact same borders that existed before the war, neither side gained anything from this activity except a bunch of burned down ruins where wealthy and thriving cities used to be, a large number of dead or displaced civilians, and a massive reconstruction bill costing thousands of pounds for both sides. [[SarcasmMode But hey, at least they got a nice scalp collection out of it!]]

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* In the WarOf1812, UsefulNotes/WarOf1812, the British would commit war crimes on American settlements in response to "American savagery" inflicted on British-American settlements, which in turn would cause the Americans to burn more British settlements, in revenge for "British savagery". The most triumphant example of this was when the Americans burned the Canadian city of York (modern Toronto, the largest city, and the De facto capital of British Canada at the time) only for the British to respond by torching the public buildings of Washington DC. In the same war, soldiers from both sides would routinely collect the scalps from the corpses of enemy soldiers as trophies. Newspapers on both sides demonised the other side for this practice, calling their enemies "little more than Indian savages", but at the same time, newspapers would be willing to turn a blind eye to this exact same activity on their own side. Since the war ended with the exact same borders that existed before the war, neither side gained anything from this activity except a bunch of burned down ruins where wealthy and thriving cities used to be, a large number of dead or displaced civilians, and a massive reconstruction bill costing thousands of pounds for both sides. [[SarcasmMode But hey, at least they got a nice scalp collection out of it!]]
11th Sep '17 12:43:44 PM Kirayoshi
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"And if we win our independence,\\

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"And -->"And if we win our independence,\\
11th Sep '17 12:42:58 PM Kirayoshi
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-->'''Alexander Hamilton'': And if we win our independence?\\

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-->'''Alexander Hamilton'': And "And if we win our independence?\\independence,\\



Of vengeance and death with no defendants?

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Of vengeance and death with no defendants?defendants?"
11th Sep '17 10:14:10 AM Kirayoshi
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* Discussed in ''Theatre/{{Hamilton}}'' in the song "My Shot":
-->'''Alexander Hamilton'': And if we win our independence?\\
Is that a guarantee of freedom for our descendants?\\
Or will the blood we shed begin an endless cycle\\
Of vengeance and death with no defendants?
8th Sep '17 2:18:15 PM mkmlp
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* Invoked in ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'' by [[spoiler: Temple]], in a desperate attempt save himself, after the Reds and Blues have defeated him and Tucker's about to FinishHim, saying that if he does this, [[spoiler: Temple's]] friend's will just keep this going. Tucker simply asks [[ShutUpHannibal "What friends?"]], as all his allies were either dead or captured at that point. [[spoiler: Luckily for him, Carolina manages to talk Tucker out of kill him.]]
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13th Aug '17 6:34:16 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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* This was the case with [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]] and ComicBook/BlackPanther (T'Challa) for a while. It started in ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', when Namor, under the influence of the Phoenix Force, flooded T'Challa's country, Wakanda, in retaliation for something the Avengers did. When the story concludes, Atlantis, which Namor rules, and Wakanda are at war. In ComicBook/JonathanHickmansAvengers, the two are forced to work together in the Illuminati to combat a crisis, but T'Challa makes it clear that when the crisis is over, he will kill Namor. Eventually, some of T'Challa's soldiers are wounded when one of his advisors intentionally gives bad intel on Atlantis. Namor tries to talk to T'Challa about a treaty, and T'Challa says he'll talk to his sister (Shuri, the actual ruler of Wakanda) about it if Namor makes an official request. Namor does so and Shuri officially claims to be considering it, hut in actuality launches an attack that kills many Atlanteans. Thus, when Thanos' army invades Earth, Atlantis is unable to repel it while Wakanda can. Namor bows to Thanos, who is looking for an Infinity Gem, and tells him it's in Wakanda, which he knows it's not. Wakanda is nearly destroyed by Thanos. Afterwards, Namor claims reaponsibility for the attack, and tells Panther his only regret is that so many Wakandans lived. The two fight, and Namor is expelled from the Illuminati. Namor starts his own secret organisation, the Cabal, and they are given Wakanda as their home base. The Cabal kill Shuri. Eventually, Namor adkits that his Cabal is out of control, and T'Challa and Black Bolt (another Illuminati member) say they'll help Namor defeat them. Instead, Panther and Black Bolt attempt to murder Namor. Namor survives, and he and T'Challa work together in ComicBook/SecretWars2015 to thwart ComicBook/DoctorDoom, and finally reconcile.

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* This was the case with [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]] and ComicBook/BlackPanther (T'Challa) for a long while. It started in ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen'', when Namor, under the influence of the Phoenix Force, flooded T'Challa's country, the country T'Challa rules, Wakanda, in retaliation for something the Avengers did. When the story concludes, Atlantis, which Namor rules, and Wakanda are at war. In ComicBook/JonathanHickmansAvengers, the two are forced to work together in the Illuminati to combat a multiverse-shattering crisis, but T'Challa makes it clear that when the crisis is over, he will kill Namor. Eventually, some of T'Challa's soldiers are wounded when one of his advisors advisers intentionally gives bad intel on Atlantis. Namor tries to talk to T'Challa about a treaty, and T'Challa says he'll talk to his sister (Shuri, the actual ruler of Wakanda) about it if Namor makes an official request. Namor does so and Shuri officially claims to be considering it, hut but in actuality launches an attack that kills many Atlanteans.Atlantean warriors and civilians. Thus, when Thanos' army invades Earth, Atlantis is unable to repel it while Wakanda can. Namor bows to Thanos, who is looking for an Infinity Gem, and tells him it's in Wakanda, which he knows it's not. Wakanda is nearly destroyed by Thanos. when Thanos focuses almost all of his resources on it. Afterwards, Namor claims reaponsibility responsibility for the attack, and tells Panther his only regret is that so many Wakandans lived. The two fight, get intoa brawl, and Namor is expelled from the Illuminati. Namor starts his own secret organisation, the Cabal, to combat the multiverse crisis, and they are given Wakanda as their home base.base by the world's various governments. The Cabal kill Shuri. Eventually, Namor adkits admits that his Cabal is out of control, and T'Challa and Black Bolt (another Illuminati member) member and monarch) say they'll help Namor defeat them. Instead, Panther and Black Bolt attempt to murder Namor. Namor survives, survives (unbeknownst to them), and he ends up back with the Cabal. He and T'Challa eventually work together in ComicBook/SecretWars2015 to thwart ComicBook/DoctorDoom, and finally reconcile.
1st Aug '17 9:06:21 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* As already mentioned, a widely common phenomenon in cultures all over the world before the emergence of public prosecution, public executive (in other words, police), prison sentences (and, well, public prisons), and the state's monopoly of violence in general. Before these things became institutions, people all over the world used to take justice and the enforcement of laws and sentences into their own hands.
** This is possibly the natural state of affairs when there is no organized society. All conflicts are resolved with physical violence and revenge is the sacred duty for the wronged lest the wronged lose his honor. This happens also everywhere where central government is weak, remote, or effete. Once such a culture of honor and vendetta has been born, it is almost impossible to weed out.



* The Hatfield-[=McCoy=] feud, which, according to popular lore, began with a dispute over a hog and eventually led to the murder of dozens of people. (The real reason for the feud probably had more to do with jealousy and a dispute over property rights in the valley where both families lived.)

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* The Hatfield-[=McCoy=] feud, which, according to popular lore, began with a dispute over a hog and eventually led to the murder of dozens of people. (The The real reason for the feud probably had more to do with jealousy and a dispute over property rights in the valley where both families lived.)



* Sadly, TruthInTelevision among the Roma and Sinti people. They are known to have the blood feud culture with HairTriggerTemper and vendettas existing for centuries.
** In Finland, the Roma make ''half'' of all murder sentences in Finland while they represent only 0.5% of the Finnish population.

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* Sadly, TruthInTelevision among the Roma and Sinti people. They are known to have the blood feud culture with HairTriggerTemper and vendettas existing for centuries. \n** In Finland, the Roma make ''half'' of all murder sentences in Finland while they represent only 0.5% of the Finnish population.



* Make no mistake, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Glencoe Massacre of Glencoe]] was a horrific crime on many, many levels. But the fact that there is ''still'' lingering resentment between some [=MacDonalds=] and Campbells[[note]]Not the Fast food chain and Canned soup company[[/note]], more than three centuries after the crime itself, gives you some idea how long people can hold a grudge.

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* Make no mistake, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Glencoe Massacre of Glencoe]] was a horrific crime on many, many levels. But the fact that there is ''still'' lingering resentment between some [=MacDonalds=] and Campbells[[note]]Not the Fast food chain and Canned soup company[[/note]], Campbells, more than three centuries after the crime itself, gives you some idea how long people can hold a grudge.
16th Jul '17 6:45:20 AM SeptimusHeap
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* The GameOfThrones fanfic ''A Push.'' Sansa goes through with shoving Joffrey off the ledge following her father's execution, killing him. In response, Cersei has Sansa executed by beheading. Then Robb Stark returns the favor by beheading Jamie Lannister.

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* The GameOfThrones Series/GameOfThrones fanfic ''A Push.'' Sansa goes through with shoving Joffrey off the ledge following her father's execution, killing him. In response, Cersei has Sansa executed by beheading. Then Robb Stark returns the favor by beheading Jamie Lannister.
9th Jul '17 11:33:52 AM otemple700
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->''"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind."''
-->-- Attributed to '''UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi'''

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->''"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.->''"Vengeance has consumed you. It's consuming them. I am done letting it consume me."''
-->-- Attributed to '''UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi'''
'''T'Challa/Black Panther''', ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar''
28th Jun '17 9:33:37 PM memememememe
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The actual Golden Rule is about always attempting to look at things from the perspective of others, freely forgiving wrongs, and believing that no one should have to suffer at all, even if they deserve to. This warped form, however, becomes Newtonian EquivalentExchange "justice", and can further mutate into Entropy: Because of the complex web of genetic and social bonds that one forms over a lifetime, as well as the interactions between everyone entangled in that web, revenge might well begin with you but it most likely will not end with you. If he deserved to be treated how he treated you, ''his'' loved ones may also believe that ''you'' deserve to be treated like you treated him too. And yours may believe the same. And so on and so forth. The result of this is frequently what is called a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feud Blood Feud]] or Vendetta.

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The actual Golden Rule is about always attempting to look at things from the perspective of others, freely forgiving wrongs, and believing that no one should have to suffer at all, even if they deserve to. This warped form, however, becomes takes this literally as Newtonian EquivalentExchange "justice", and can further mutate "justice" or CallItKarma, not taking into Entropy: account that acts of revenge/justice [[HardOnSoftScience are not quantifiable laws of physics but social phenomena]]. Because of the complex web of genetic and social bonds that one forms over a lifetime, as well as the interactions between everyone entangled in that web, revenge might well begin with you but it most likely will not end with you. If he deserved to be treated how he treated you, ''his'' loved ones may also believe that ''you'' deserve to be treated like you treated him too. And yours may believe the same. And so on and so forth. The result of this is frequently what is called a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feud Blood Feud]] or Vendetta.
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