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9th Nov '17 8:49:08 AM Shadowgazer
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Please note that this is when the ''player'' is forced to do these things. If the PlayerCharacter does it in a cutscene, then it doesn't count. It does count though as a sign that the character is a VillainProtagonist.

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Please note that this is when the ''player'' is forced to do these things. If the PlayerCharacter does it in a cutscene, then it doesn't count. It does count though as a sign that the player character is a VillainProtagonist.



* Quite a few things in ''VideoGame/ConkersBadFurDay'', but the king is when Conker hatches a baby dinosaur, that loves him and calls him Mama... and then smashes it with a giant stone tablet in order to create a bridge. [[DesignatedHero Conker]] [[HeroicComedicSociopath has no problem whatsoever with this]].

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* Quite a few things in ''VideoGame/ConkersBadFurDay'', but the king is when Conker hatches a baby dinosaur, that loves him and calls him Mama... and then smashes it with a giant stone tablet in order to create a bridge. [[DesignatedHero [[VillainProtagonist Conker]] [[HeroicComedicSociopath has no problem whatsoever with this]].



* A "good" variation of this occurs in ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'', which has several areas where you're required to attack a flying Black Arms creature to be able to ride on it. This earns you points on the good side of the KarmaMeter, but you have to do it even if you're trying to accomplish the evil mission. The BigBad will even yell at you for doing so even though it's required to progress.

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* A "good" variation and inversion of this occurs in ''VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog'', which has several areas where you're required to attack a flying Black Arms creature to be able to ride on it. This earns you points on the good side of the KarmaMeter, but you have to do it even if you're trying to accomplish the evil mission. The BigBad will even yell at you for doing so even though it's required to progress.
9th Nov '17 8:34:32 AM Shadowgazer
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When the player is forced to do something that seems [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential unnecessarily mean]] in order to continue playing. This isn't just when you kill an enemy that's trying to kill you. That can be seen as self-defense. This is when you take an NPC who is a minor inconvenience to you or not in the way at all and have to intentionally harm, inconvenience, or psychologically damage that person.

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When the player is forced to do something that seems [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential unnecessarily mean]] in order to continue playing. This isn't just when you kill an enemy that's trying to kill you. That can be seen as self-defense. This is when you take an NPC who is a minor inconvenience to you or not in the way at all and have to intentionally harm, inconvenience, or psychologically damage that person.
person. In somewhat less gut-punchy (and possibly even cathartic) examples the victim may be a depowered and defenseless enemy who was previously properly fought.



Please note that this is when the ''player'' is forced to do these things. If the PlayerCharacter does it in a cutscene, then it doesn't count.

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Please note that this is when the ''player'' is forced to do these things. If the PlayerCharacter does it in a cutscene, then it doesn't count.
count. It does count though as a sign that the character is a VillainProtagonist.
6th Nov '17 8:29:00 AM rjd1922
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* The VideoGame/NancyDrew game ''Legend of the Crystal Skull'' requires for Bess to snoop through the back room of Lamont's shop. Doing this requires doing things like giving Lamont diarrhea from spicy gumbo and sending him into a sneezing fit, as opposed to other games where all you had to do was just wait until the suspect was gone.

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* The VideoGame/NancyDrew ''VideoGame/NancyDrew'' game ''Legend of the Crystal Skull'' requires for Bess to snoop through the back room of Lamont's shop. Doing this requires doing things like giving Lamont diarrhea from spicy gumbo and sending him into a sneezing fit, as opposed to other games where all you had to do was just wait until the suspect was gone.



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** In ''VideoGame/{{Portal 2}}, [=GLaDOS=] plays with this trope again by 'fizzling' a large number of companion cubes in a certain chamber, proceeding to claim that she 'thinks that one said 'I love you'. They are sentient, of course. We just have a lot of them.' It's not entirely clear whether she's lying, as the Companion Cubes in this game do appear to... sing... when you're near them.

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** In ''VideoGame/{{Portal 2}}, 2}}'', [=GLaDOS=] plays with this trope again by 'fizzling' a large number of companion cubes in a certain chamber, proceeding to claim that she 'thinks that one said 'I love you'. They are sentient, of course. We just have a lot of them.' It's not entirely clear whether she's lying, as the Companion Cubes in this game do appear to... sing... when you're near them.



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* ''Videogame/SpecOpsTheLine'' -- Using the [[KillItWithFire white phosphorus]] on the [[spoiler:civilian refugee camp]] is the only way to advance the plot. According to the developer, the only alternate option is quite simple -- stop playing the game. This is actually a major part of the narrative; the characters could have turned back at any time, and in fact their orders were to just to scout and bring back word if they met survivors. Just like them, all the player has to do to make the horrible things stop is ''walk away''.
* ''Videogame/MissionImpossible'' for the Nintendo 64:

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* ''Videogame/SpecOpsTheLine'' ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'' -- Using the [[KillItWithFire white phosphorus]] on the [[spoiler:civilian refugee camp]] is the only way to advance the plot. According to the developer, the only alternate option is quite simple -- stop playing the game. This is actually a major part of the narrative; the characters could have turned back at any time, and in fact their orders were to just to scout and bring back word if they met survivors. Just like them, all the player has to do to make the horrible things stop is ''walk away''.
* ''Videogame/MissionImpossible'' ''VideoGame/MissionImpossible'' for the Nintendo 64:
19th Oct '17 6:14:12 AM CosmicFerret
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* Every ''BrokenSword'' game has a section where you must rip off a RecurringExtra. For example, conning them out of $50 in the first game and getting them arrested in a [=3rd=] world country in the second.

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* Every ''BrokenSword'' ''VideoGame/BrokenSword'' game has a section where you must rip off a RecurringExtra. For example, conning them out of $50 in the first game and getting them arrested in a [=3rd=] world country in the second.
5th Oct '17 11:39:55 AM SeptimusHeap
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* ''ThePath'' requires you to make your character waltz right into the Wolf. And if you played the game right, you have to do it only after really starting to care for the character as soon as you learn everything about them.

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* ''ThePath'' ''VideoGame/ThePath'' requires you to make your character waltz right into the Wolf. And if you played the game right, you have to do it only after really starting to care for the character as soon as you learn everything about them.
22nd Sep '17 2:47:15 PM AndreaTx
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** To clarify, you end up killing [[spoiler:resistance fighters looking for a way to save humanity]] and [[spoiler:well-mannered, civilized people despite their hebephilic leader and...um...[[ImAHumanitarian diet]]]]. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Whether or not it's worth it...]]

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** To clarify, you end up killing [[spoiler:resistance fighters looking for a way to save humanity]] humanity, including doctors who literally have posed no threat to you and were told the patient they were working on was willing to die to provide a cure,]] and [[spoiler:well-mannered, civilized people despite their hebephilic leader and...um...[[ImAHumanitarian diet]]]]. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Whether or not it's worth it...]]
29th Aug '17 6:00:43 PM nombretomado
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* ''AgarestSenki'' has a sudden DifficultySpike part-way through the third generation with the introduction of the boss [[ThatOneBoss Midas]]. He, and nearly every boss after, will have large area-of-effect attacks that ''will'' wipe out your party and a HealingFactor that negates most damage. Now, when a character dies, everyone else gets a huge amount of SP, which is used to fuel EX-skills...which are your only hope of killing those bosses. So what do most players resort to? Throwing their tank at the boss to keep them away from everyone else, letting the tank die, reviving them with their healer, and repeating until enough SP is stored to unleash hell.

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* ''AgarestSenki'' ''VideoGame/AgarestSenki'' has a sudden DifficultySpike part-way through the third generation with the introduction of the boss [[ThatOneBoss Midas]]. He, and nearly every boss after, will have large area-of-effect attacks that ''will'' wipe out your party and a HealingFactor that negates most damage. Now, when a character dies, everyone else gets a huge amount of SP, which is used to fuel EX-skills...which are your only hope of killing those bosses. So what do most players resort to? Throwing their tank at the boss to keep them away from everyone else, letting the tank die, reviving them with their healer, and repeating until enough SP is stored to unleash hell.
16th Aug '17 10:29:02 PM Qube
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** Earlier in the game it was even worse, where you are told by your phony rapper old friend OG Loc to stole "Madd Dogg's rhyme book, from his home in the hills!". Except it isn't just stealing the rhyme book, but also throat-slashing (this mission is intended as tutorial for the stealth mechanics including stealth kills) half dozen innocent mansion security of a (later revealed to be) decent NonActionGuy rapper. This, and the next mission, which laced with BlackComedy where you need to dunk his manager (it helps though that the manager being AssholeVictim with ties to gangs and drug dealers), drove Madd Dogg (said decent rapper) to [[DrivenToSuicide deep end]], making [[HeelRealization you]] [[HeelFaceTurn have to]] [[InterruptedSuicide save him]] near the end.

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** Earlier in the game it was even worse, where game, you are told tasked by your phony rapper old wannabe-gangsta friend OG Loc to stole "Madd Dogg's steal a rhyme book, book from his home in the hills!". a successful rapper, Madd Dogg. Except it isn't just ''just'' stealing the rhyme book, but also throat-slashing (this (since this mission is intended doubles as tutorial for the stealth mechanics including stealth kills) half dozen innocent mansion security of a (later revealed to be) decent NonActionGuy rapper. This, tutorial) but also killing several guards and the next mission, which laced with BlackComedy where you need to dunk his eventually Madd Dogg's manager (it helps though that the manager being AssholeVictim with ties to gangs and drug dealers), drove (and childhood friend). These losses ruin Madd Dogg (said decent rapper) Dogg's career [[spoiler: and drive him to drugs and eventually [[DrivenToSuicide deep end]], making [[HeelRealization you]] [[HeelFaceTurn have to]] [[InterruptedSuicide suicide]]]]. The man himself, despite being a gansta rapper, is a fairly decent human being who did ''nothing'' to deserve any of this save him]] near become the end.target of an envious wannabe who couldn't make it on his own. However, this leads to VideoGameCaringPotential as later in the game you can [[spoiler: stop the man from ending his life, become his new manager, and help undo the damage you caused and rebuild his career]].
4th Aug '17 12:54:39 PM MagBas
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* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'':
** In ''Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire'', you get a Lopunnite via a landlord in Mauville Hills who is implied to have forcefully taken it away from a guy behind on his rent. Feeling sorry for the the guy that it got taken from and want to give it back to him or otherwise help him? Sucks to be you! You can't enter his apartment at any point in the game.
4th Aug '17 12:46:37 PM MagBas
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* In ''VideoGame/IllusionOfGaia'', do you want all 50 [[SideQuest Red Crystals]]? I hope you don't mind [[KickTheDog betraying an escaped slave to his pursuers]] in exchange for one of them.
** At the very least, the BonusBoss you face after collecting all 50 Red Crystals admits that he was the one who started the slave-trade in the first place, which makes killing him that much more satisfying and helps balance the karma scales a little.
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