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21st Jan '17 8:09:21 AM HasturHasturHastur
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* This is what turned Alterbeast into a studio project and ruined relations between Andrew Lamb and virtually all of the other personnel (though original vocalist Cam Rogers is still okay with him). A lengthy and somewhat troubled US tour had brought his controlling tendencies to the forefront, and his anger at having to go through what were apparently unpleasant but expected pitfalls of being in a low-level touring act magnified those tendencies. After tensions between him and everyone else (including former drummer and emergency fill-in Gabe Seeber) had reached a boiling point, the band dropped off the tour early, went home, and dissolved almost completely save for Lamb, who turned it into a more-or-less solo project.

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* This is what turned caused Alterbeast into a studio project to lose everyone in the band and ruined relations between Andrew Lamb and virtually all most of the other personnel (though original vocalist Cam Rogers is still okay with him).personnel. A lengthy and somewhat troubled US tour had brought his controlling tendencies to the forefront, and his anger at having to go through what were apparently unpleasant but expected pitfalls of being in a low-level touring act magnified those tendencies. After tensions between him and everyone else (including former drummer and emergency fill-in Gabe Seeber) had reached a boiling point, the band dropped off the tour early, went home, and dissolved almost completely save for Lamb, who turned it into spent the better part of the year rebuilding the band.
* Music/{{Warbringer}} has had
a more-or-less solo project.lot of departures that have mostly been due to their heavy touring schedule, but a few were truly creative (John Laux) and personal (Ben Bennett). The former had been growing tired of metal and heavy music in general for a while, and by Kevill's admission, some of the more upbeat punk-influenced material on ''IV: Empires Collapse'' was intended to placate him (which failed, as he left almost right after the album dropped). Bennett, meanwhile, had started out as a live fill-in on their early tours due to Andy Laux's inability to tour (as he was still in high school) before being made full-time, and his arrogance, incredibly abrasive personality, and drug issues made him quickly wear out his welcome and culminated in an incident on a very large tour where he kept making incredibly cruel and hurtful personal digs at Nic Ritter that finally resulted in Ritter running out of the van and punching a dumpster hard enough to break his hand, which put him out of commission for the rest of the tour and made Kevill angry enough to pull Bennett out of the van and stomp on his head before kicking him out the minute the tour had concluded.
6th Jan '17 7:36:29 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Film/TheAvengers2012'': Creator/EdwardNorton was let go early on from playing Bruce Banner despite having played him in [[Film/TheIncredibleHulk the 2008 film]]. When asked why Marvel stated that "[[http://www.avclub.com/article/marvel-kicks-edward-norton-out-of-emthe-avengersem-42993 Our decision is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members]]", which implied Norton was fired for not getting along with the other actors and crew, as well as butting heads with brass over the screenplay (an issue that was prominent when Norton did ''AmericanHistoryX''). Norton's agent disputed this claim, as did Norton (who said he enjoyed the experience but didn't want to lock in the role long-term) but regardless the part was recast with Creator/MarkRuffalo, who acted in the role to widespread acclaim.

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* ''Film/TheAvengers2012'': Creator/EdwardNorton was let go early on from playing Bruce Banner despite having played him in [[Film/TheIncredibleHulk the 2008 film]]. When asked why Marvel stated that "[[http://www.avclub.com/article/marvel-kicks-edward-norton-out-of-emthe-avengersem-42993 Our decision is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members]]", which implied Norton was fired for not getting along with the other actors and crew, as well as butting heads with brass over the screenplay (an issue that was prominent when Norton did ''AmericanHistoryX'').''Film/AmericanHistoryX''). Norton's agent disputed this claim, as did Norton (who said he enjoyed the experience but didn't want to lock in the role long-term) but regardless the part was recast with Creator/MarkRuffalo, who acted in the role to widespread acclaim.
5th Jan '17 5:27:12 PM CumbersomeTercel
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* The ''Film/{{X-Men}}'' series had them twice. Matthew Vaughn left ''Film/XMenTheLastStand'' early in production feeling the time constraints wouldn't allow him to make the movie he wanted (family issues didn't help either; him having to just produce ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' was less this than just deciding to make ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService'' earlier). During pre-production of ''Film/{{Deadpool}} 2'', Tim Miller left due to creative differences with the film's star and co-producer Ryan Reynolds as Miller was interested in having the sequel being a big-budget film, while Reynolds wanted another "cheap" movie like the original.

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* The ''Film/{{X-Men}}'' series had them twice. Matthew Vaughn Creator/MatthewVaughn left ''Film/XMenTheLastStand'' early in production feeling the time constraints wouldn't allow him to make the movie he wanted (family issues didn't help either; him having to just produce ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' was less this than just deciding to make ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService'' earlier). During pre-production of ''Film/{{Deadpool}} 2'', Tim Miller left due to creative differences with the film's star and co-producer Ryan Reynolds as Miller was interested in having the sequel being a big-budget film, while Reynolds wanted another "cheap" movie like the original.



** When John Rhys-Davies left the cast of ''Series/{{Sliders}}'' just as the show had been [[ReTool retooled]] away from SpeculativeFiction and toward "rip off whatever movie is popular this week", he cited CreativeDifferences with the writers as the reason. Most observers concluded, "He was creative; they weren't."

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** When John Rhys-Davies Creator/JohnRhysDavies left the cast of ''Series/{{Sliders}}'' just as the show had been [[ReTool retooled]] away from SpeculativeFiction and toward "rip off whatever movie is popular this week", he cited CreativeDifferences with the writers as the reason. Most observers concluded, "He was creative; they weren't."



* Music/TheBeatles all seemed to develop different musical styles by the mid-60's (''Music/TheWhiteAlbum'' was seen by many fans as being "four solo albums in one" rather than a true band album), and they began to feel a bit of this. Especially George, whose growing songwriting skills weren't fully acknowledged by the Lennon/[=McCartney=] pair. The movie ''Film/LetItBe'' is essentially what happens when someone has a film camera and films a band suffering from CreativeDifferences -- lots of bitter, snide passive aggressive sniping. There's one famous scene with Paul [=McCartney=] and George Harrison having a bitter fight over a chord.

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* Music/TheBeatles all seemed to develop different musical styles by the mid-60's (''Music/TheWhiteAlbum'' was seen by many fans as being "four solo albums in one" rather than a true band album), and they began to feel a bit of this. Especially George, Music/GeorgeHarrison, whose growing songwriting skills weren't fully acknowledged by the Lennon/[=McCartney=] pair.Music/JohnLennon and Music/PaulMcCartney. The movie ''Film/LetItBe'' is essentially what happens when someone has a film camera and films a band suffering from CreativeDifferences -- lots of bitter, snide passive aggressive sniping. There's one famous scene with Paul [=McCartney=] and George Harrison having a bitter fight over a chord.
1st Jan '17 6:27:46 AM Smeagol17
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When they actually mean it, it refers to irreconcilably different artistic visions for the show. For actors, it often means, "I'm not getting paid enough to put up with this." For writers and other members of the creative team, it usually means, "I've had it with the producers, the executives, and [[MediaWatchdog Standards & Practices]] [[ExecutiveMeddling telling me what I can and can't write]]." For musicians, it can sometimes mean "we had totally different styles and couldn't see eye-to-eye on anything", but it usually means "I can't stand the assholes in my band" or "I got fired for being a dick and this is the most tactful way to word it". In most cases, it's just a euphemism for, "I got in a big fight with the producer." Likely anytime some one mentions "scheduling conflicts", it means there's been a conflict between the director and producers or studio. Then the director quits or is fired. If there's only one constant member and a steady flow of departures and inductions, this is usually an indication of a PrimaDonnaDirector at the very least and is also usually a sign that the lone holdout is [[JerkAss an incorrigible dick who doesn't know how to work with other people]].

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When they actually mean it, it refers to irreconcilably different artistic visions for the show. For actors, it often means, "I'm not getting paid enough to put up with this." For writers and other members of the creative team, it usually means, "I've had it with the producers, the executives, and [[MediaWatchdog Standards & Practices]] [[ExecutiveMeddling telling me what I can and can't write]]." For musicians, it can sometimes mean "we had totally different styles and couldn't see eye-to-eye on anything", but it usually means "I can't stand the assholes in my band" or "I got fired for being a dick and this is the most tactful way to word it". In most cases, it's just a euphemism for, "I got in a big fight with the producer." Likely Also anytime some one someone mentions "scheduling conflicts", it likely means there's been a conflict between the director and producers or studio. Then the director quits or is fired. If there's only one constant member and a steady flow of departures and inductions, this is usually an indication of a PrimaDonnaDirector at the very least and is also usually a sign that the lone holdout is [[JerkAss an incorrigible dick who doesn't know how to work with other people]].
26th Dec '16 6:15:05 AM Malady
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* ''Anime/Shirobako'' has an InUniverse example which hit the studio the series follows ''badly''. Because the editor sent by the book's publishing house is a LazyBum, a crisis is formed when the original author of ''3rd Aerial Girls Squad'' is unhappy with certain design and plot decisions by the studio which could cause an ExecutiveVeto and bringing the show (and the studio) crushing down. [[RealityEnsues Both times, it causes months of planning on multiple projects to go flying out the window and makes an already difficult production process much worse.]]

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* ''Anime/Shirobako'' ''Anime/{{Shirobako}}'' has an InUniverse example which hit the studio the series follows ''badly''. Because the editor sent by the book's publishing house is a LazyBum, a crisis is formed when the original author of ''3rd Aerial Girls Squad'' is unhappy with certain design and plot decisions by the studio which could cause an ExecutiveVeto and bringing the show (and the studio) crushing down. [[RealityEnsues Both times, it causes months of planning on multiple projects to go flying out the window and makes an already difficult production process much worse.]]
14th Dec '16 5:00:52 PM Camassia
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* Music/ThePolice broke up expressly because of this trope. They had already been drifting along and were quasi-disbanded after 1983's ''Synchronicity'', but they decided to get into the studio to record a new album as well as an update of some of their older hits. They only made it as far as "Don't Stand So Close To Me", the recording of which was largely eaten up by petty arguments between Stewart Copeland and Sting over instruments to use. Sadly, Copeland later mentioned that part of the problem was that he had broken his collarbone playing polo, meaning he was unable to actually do any drumming [[note]]one of the instruments at the center of the dispute was a drum machine synthesizer, specifically whether to use the Fairlight CMI Copeland preferred or the Synclavier Sting wanted[[/note]]. He went on to say that had the band been able to jam and get out any pent-up aggression that way, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen The Police might not have broken up.]]

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* Music/ThePolice broke up expressly because of this trope. They had already been drifting along and were quasi-disbanded after 1983's ''Synchronicity'', but they decided to get into the studio to record a new album as well as an update of some of their older hits. They only made it as far as "Don't Stand So Close To Me", the recording of which was largely eaten up by petty arguments between Stewart Copeland and Sting Music/{{Sting}} over instruments to use. Sadly, Copeland later mentioned that part of the problem was that he had broken his collarbone playing polo, meaning he was unable to actually do any drumming [[note]]one of the instruments at the center of the dispute was a drum machine synthesizer, specifically whether to use the Fairlight CMI Copeland preferred or the Synclavier Sting wanted[[/note]]. He went on to say that had the band been able to jam and get out any pent-up aggression that way, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen The Police might not have broken up.]]
11th Dec '16 5:15:23 AM igordebraga
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* During pre-production of ''Deadpool 2'', Tim Miller left due to creative differences with the film's star and co-producer Ryan Reynolds as Miller was interested in having the sequel being a big-budget film, while Reynolds wasn't.

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* The ''Film/{{X-Men}}'' series had them twice. Matthew Vaughn left ''Film/XMenTheLastStand'' early in production feeling the time constraints wouldn't allow him to make the movie he wanted (family issues didn't help either; him having to just produce ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' was less this than just deciding to make ''Film/KingsmanTheSecretService'' earlier). During pre-production of ''Deadpool ''Film/{{Deadpool}} 2'', Tim Miller left due to creative differences with the film's star and co-producer Ryan Reynolds as Miller was interested in having the sequel being a big-budget film, while Reynolds wasn't.wanted another "cheap" movie like the original.



* Music/TheBeatles all seemed to develop different musical styles by the mid-60's (''The White Album'' was seen by many fans as being "four solo albums in one" rather than a true band album), and they began to feel a bit of this. Especially George, whose growing songwriting skills weren't fully acknowledged by the Lennon/[=McCartney=] pair. The movie ''Film/LetItBe'' is essentially what happens when someone has a film camera and films a band suffering from CreativeDifferences -- lots of bitter, snide passive aggressive sniping. There's one famous scene with Paul [=McCartney=] and George Harrison having a bitter fight over a chord.

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* Music/TheBeatles all seemed to develop different musical styles by the mid-60's (''The White Album'' (''Music/TheWhiteAlbum'' was seen by many fans as being "four solo albums in one" rather than a true band album), and they began to feel a bit of this. Especially George, whose growing songwriting skills weren't fully acknowledged by the Lennon/[=McCartney=] pair. The movie ''Film/LetItBe'' is essentially what happens when someone has a film camera and films a band suffering from CreativeDifferences -- lots of bitter, snide passive aggressive sniping. There's one famous scene with Paul [=McCartney=] and George Harrison having a bitter fight over a chord.



* The reason why Dennis Stratton was fired from Music/IronMaiden. He was writing songs that Steve Harris felt were too poppy, and when the band rejected them, he left.

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* The reason why Dennis Stratton was fired from Music/IronMaiden. He was writing songs that Steve Harris felt were too poppy, and when the band rejected them, he left. There were also other creative\personality clashes (Stratton only joined the band [[MoneyDearBoy because he needed work]], was unwilling to listen to heavy music all the time like the other bandmembers and at a certain point travelled separatedly from them, and his attempt to mix "The Phantom of the Opera" in a Music/{{Queen}}-like manner was promptly rejected by Steve).



** Creator/JohnRomero was frustrated over ''VideoGame/{{Quake}}'' being turned from an ActionRPG into a shooter in Doom's template at a late stage in the game. He left to form Ion Storm with Tom Hall.

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** Creator/JohnRomero was frustrated over ''VideoGame/{{Quake}}'' being turned from an ActionRPG into a shooter in Doom's the ''Doom'' template at a late stage in the game. He left to form Ion Storm with Tom Hall.
28th Oct '16 9:03:14 AM AlternativeCola
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* During pre-production of ''Deadpool 2'', Tim Miller left due to creative differences with the film's star and co-producer Ryan Reynolds as Miller was interested in having the sequel being a big-budget film, while Reynolds wasn't.
26th Oct '16 1:31:21 AM AlternativeCola
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* This was the reason why Jonboy Meyers left from Benjamin Percy's DCRebirth run of ''TeenTitans''.
22nd Oct '16 4:37:11 PM Blazer
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* InUniverse example in ''WesternAnimation/{{Doug}}''. Doug and Skeeter are working on a Quail Man comic (Quail Man being [[HerCodeNameWasMarySue Doug as a Super Hero]]) when Skeeter introduces his own hero, the Silver Skeeter. However, Doug doesn't like the Silver Skeeter because his NewPowersAsThePlotDemands attitude make him too "boring" and the two go at it and separate over it. They do make up and figure out a way to work with it and make Silver Skeeter less powerful.
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