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10th May '16 12:28:28 AM erforce
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* The ultimate goal of AI research, although this might have [[Series/BattlestarGalactica1978 some]] [[{{Terminator}} undesired]] [[CrushKillDestroy consequences]].

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* The ultimate goal of AI research, although this might have [[Series/BattlestarGalactica1978 some]] [[{{Terminator}} [[Franchise/{{Terminator}} undesired]] [[CrushKillDestroy consequences]].
18th Oct '15 10:01:59 PM azul120
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In many works, CreatingLifeIsBad. An ultimate show of [[ScaleOfScientificSins scientific]] [[{{Pride}} hubris.]] Western literature has its roots in a religious tradition in which the act of creation is the turf of God Almighty. Thus, Mary Shelley's ''Literature/{{Frankenstein}}'' not only became very influential, but also constantly interpreted through the lens of this condemning mindset.

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In many works, CreatingLifeIsBad. An ultimate show of [[ScaleOfScientificSins scientific]] [[{{Pride}} hubris.]] hubris]]. Western literature has its roots in a religious tradition in which the act of creation is the turf of God Almighty. Thus, Mary Shelley's ''Literature/{{Frankenstein}}'' not only became very influential, but also constantly interpreted through the lens of this condemning mindset.



* Snark aside, it might add perspective to remember that ordinary people of all types are [[CreatingLife creating life]] every day. The "horizontal mambo" has (often desired) consequences. The issues above of {{pride}} and [[AGodAmI playing god]] are not absent in this example, only less [[ScienceIsBad dramatized]].
* The ultimate goal of AI research, although this might have [[Series/BattlestarGalactica1978 some]] [[{{Terminator}} undesired]] [[CrushKillDestroy consequences]].

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* Snark aside, it might add perspective to remember that ordinary people of all types are [[CreatingLife creating life]] CreatingLife every day. The "horizontal mambo" has (often desired) consequences. The issues above of {{pride}} and [[AGodAmI playing god]] are not absent in this example, only less [[ScienceIsBad dramatized]].
* The ultimate goal of AI research, although this might have [[Series/BattlestarGalactica1978 some]] [[{{Terminator}} undesired]] [[CrushKillDestroy consequences]].
10th Jul '15 9:17:58 PM HeraldAlberich
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* In ''The Black Gryphon'', which takes place JustBeforeTheEnd, thousands of years before the ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'' series, the great mage Urtho has successfully created several intelligent species, with the gryphons being his masterwork. That he must press them into war against his opposite number Ma'ar (who creates semi-intelligent monsters in imitation of Urtho) is a source of great sorrow. The gryphons are unambiguously good creatures, and Urtho's biggest mistake lies merely in failing to trust them with the secret of successful reproduction (intentionally a more complicated process than for humans), so that they may live independently of their creator.

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* In ''The Black Gryphon'', which takes place JustBeforeTheEnd, thousands of years before the ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'' series, the great mage Urtho has successfully created several intelligent species, with the gryphons [[OurGryphonsAreDifferent gryphons]] being his masterwork. That he must press them into war against his opposite number Ma'ar (who creates semi-intelligent monsters in imitation of Urtho) is a source of great sorrow. The gryphons are unambiguously good creatures, and Urtho's biggest mistake lies merely in failing to trust them with the secret of successful reproduction (intentionally a [[FantasyContraception more complicated process process]] than for humans), so that they may live independently of their creator.
6th Jul '15 5:48:29 PM Llygodenfawr
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Since then, more and more authors have been moving away from that old trope, instead moving towards this one- either defying the Frankenstein tradition or ignoring it completely. To qualify for this trope, the created life must be good and be treated as such. Of course, it must be created by humans or similar, not by deities in the traditional sense.

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Since then, more and more authors have been moving away from that old trope, instead moving towards this one- one -- either defying the Frankenstein tradition or ignoring it completely. To qualify for this trope, the created life must be good and be treated as such. Of course, it must be created by humans or similar, not by deities in the traditional sense.
5th Jul '15 12:51:30 PM HeraldAlberich
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* ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' at first plays up the idea of [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs recreating prehistoric animals from fossilized mosquitoes]] from this angle. However, some of the characters don't agree with this. [[JeffGoldblum Ian Malcolm]] seems to believe that CreatingLifeIsBad. After his experience in the Park, Alan Grant seems to have taken up this mindset as well when we see him in ''JurassicParkIII''. However, creating life in general still comes across as pretty awesome; it's just that attempting to control that life and modify it to suit your tastes will lead to disaster. In ''Film/JurassicWorld'', the herbivorous dinosaurs and even the ''T. rex'' have been successfully contained and put on display, but the ''Indominus rex'' is created [[spoiler:as a weapon, which [[GoneHorriblyRight Goes Horribly Right]]]].

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* ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' at first plays up the idea of [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs recreating prehistoric animals from fossilized mosquitoes]] from this angle. However, some of the characters don't agree with this. [[JeffGoldblum Ian Malcolm]] seems to believe that CreatingLifeIsBad. After his experience in the Park, Alan Grant seems to have taken up this mindset as well when we see him in ''JurassicParkIII''. However, creating life in general still comes across as pretty awesome; it's just that attempting to control that life and modify it to suit your tastes will lead to disaster. In ''Film/JurassicWorld'', the herbivorous dinosaurs and even the ''T. rex'' have been successfully contained and put on display, but the ''Indominus rex'' is created [[spoiler:as a weapon, LivingWeapon, which [[GoneHorriblyRight Goes Horribly Right]]]].
4th Jul '15 3:01:33 PM HeraldAlberich
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* In ''Black Gryphon'', which takes place JustBeforeTheEnd, thousands of years before the ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'' series, the great mage Urtho has successfully created several intelligent species, with the gryphons being his masterwork. That he must press them into war against his opposite number Ma'ar (who creates semi-intelligent monsters in imitation of Urtho) is a source of great sorrow. The gryphons are unambiguously good creatures, and Urtho's biggest mistake lies merely in failing to trust them with the secret of successful reproduction (intentionally a more complicated process than for humans), so that they may live independently of their creator.

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* In ''Black ''The Black Gryphon'', which takes place JustBeforeTheEnd, thousands of years before the ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'' series, the great mage Urtho has successfully created several intelligent species, with the gryphons being his masterwork. That he must press them into war against his opposite number Ma'ar (who creates semi-intelligent monsters in imitation of Urtho) is a source of great sorrow. The gryphons are unambiguously good creatures, and Urtho's biggest mistake lies merely in failing to trust them with the secret of successful reproduction (intentionally a more complicated process than for humans), so that they may live independently of their creator.
4th Jul '15 2:58:10 PM HeraldAlberich
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* In ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'', the 'rightness' of creating life through magic varies depending on the mage's mindset. For example, when Elsa is upset, she conjures up Marshmallow, a hulking snowlem that is easily angered (you can piss him off merely by lobbing a snowball at him) and attacks Anna. When Elsa is happy, as seen in "Let it Go," she creates Olaf, an friendly creature that is PurityPersonified and helps Anna and Kristoff. It's basically the logical conclusion of PersonalityPowers- a mage's feelings and desires come through in whatever they make.

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* In ''Disney/{{Frozen}}'', the 'rightness' "rightness" of creating life through magic varies depending on the mage's mindset. For example, when Elsa is upset, she conjures up Marshmallow, a hulking snowlem {{snowlem}} that is easily angered (you can piss him off merely by lobbing a snowball at him) and attacks Anna. When Elsa is happy, as seen in "Let it Go," she creates Olaf, an Olaf ([[CreatingLifeIsUnforeseen unintentionally]]), a friendly creature that is PurityPersonified and helps Anna and Kristoff. It's basically the logical conclusion of PersonalityPowers- PersonalityPowers -- a mage's feelings and desires come through in whatever they make.



* ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' at first plays up the idea of [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs recreating prehistoric animals from fossilized mosquitoes]] from this angle. However, some of the characters don't agree with this. [[JeffGoldblum Ian Malcolm]] seems to believe that CreatingLifeIsBad. After his experience in the Park, Alan Grant seems to have taken up this mindset as well when we see him in ''Jurassic Park III''. However, creating life in general still comes across as pretty awesome; it's just that attempting to control that life and modify it to suit your tastes will lead to disaster.

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* ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' at first plays up the idea of [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs recreating prehistoric animals from fossilized mosquitoes]] from this angle. However, some of the characters don't agree with this. [[JeffGoldblum Ian Malcolm]] seems to believe that CreatingLifeIsBad. After his experience in the Park, Alan Grant seems to have taken up this mindset as well when we see him in ''Jurassic Park III''. ''JurassicParkIII''. However, creating life in general still comes across as pretty awesome; it's just that attempting to control that life and modify it to suit your tastes will lead to disaster.
disaster. In ''Film/JurassicWorld'', the herbivorous dinosaurs and even the ''T. rex'' have been successfully contained and put on display, but the ''Indominus rex'' is created [[spoiler:as a weapon, which [[GoneHorriblyRight Goes Horribly Right]]]].



* Creating life (well, turning existing life into sentient life, but it's the same idea) is the ''central imperative'' of the entire Galactic culture in the {{Literature/Uplift}} series by Creator/DavidBrin. It adds to the spice of it that every one of the thousands of species making up that culture is itself a creation of a previous race, in a chain going back ''billions'' of years.

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* Creating life (well, [[UpliftedAnimal turning existing life into sentient life, life]], but it's the same idea) is the ''central imperative'' of the entire Galactic culture in the {{Literature/Uplift}} series by Creator/DavidBrin. It adds to the spice of it that every one of the thousands of species making up that culture is itself a creation of a previous race, in a chain going back ''billions'' of years.




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* In ''Black Gryphon'', which takes place JustBeforeTheEnd, thousands of years before the ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'' series, the great mage Urtho has successfully created several intelligent species, with the gryphons being his masterwork. That he must press them into war against his opposite number Ma'ar (who creates semi-intelligent monsters in imitation of Urtho) is a source of great sorrow. The gryphons are unambiguously good creatures, and Urtho's biggest mistake lies merely in failing to trust them with the secret of successful reproduction (intentionally a more complicated process than for humans), so that they may live independently of their creator.
27th Jun '15 4:25:51 PM nombretomado
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* The ultimate goal of AI research, although this might have [[Series/BattlestarGalacticaClassic some]] [[{{Terminator}} undesired]] [[CrushKillDestroy consequences]].

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* The ultimate goal of AI research, although this might have [[Series/BattlestarGalacticaClassic [[Series/BattlestarGalactica1978 some]] [[{{Terminator}} undesired]] [[CrushKillDestroy consequences]].
17th Jun '15 7:45:14 AM Prfnoff
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* In ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'' [[spoiler: Cid of The Lufaine]] used his peoples science and magic to create [[spoiler: Chaos]], his "son" whom he and his wife cared for like any human child. Sadly, [[spoiler: Cid]] and his wife were unable to prevent the government form using [[spoiler: Chaos']] powers for destruction. This (among other things) eventually led [[spoiler: Chaos]] to hate his "father". Later he successfully repeated the experiment and created the [[spoiler: Warrior of Light]], who's life took a more positive direction.

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* In ''DissidiaFinalFantasy'' ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'' [[spoiler: Cid of The Lufaine]] used his peoples science and magic to create [[spoiler: Chaos]], his "son" whom he and his wife cared for like any human child. Sadly, [[spoiler: Cid]] and his wife were unable to prevent the government form using [[spoiler: Chaos']] powers for destruction. This (among other things) eventually led [[spoiler: Chaos]] to hate his "father". Later he successfully repeated the experiment and created the [[spoiler: Warrior of Light]], who's life took a more positive direction.



* In ''{{GURPS}}'' "neogenesis" is the ultimate biogenesis technology and classified as [[TechnologyLevels TL11]] development, the creation of a truly viable species doesn't occur until [=TL12=].

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* In ''{{GURPS}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{GURPS}}'' "neogenesis" is the ultimate biogenesis technology and classified as [[TechnologyLevels TL11]] development, the creation of a truly viable species doesn't occur until [=TL12=].



* ''FarOutThere'' has [[MotherlyScientist Tabitha]] creating the zombie children Bridget and Alphonse. Surprisingly, despite how it sounds, [[http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a183/blitzkrieg1701/familyalbum3.jpg this]] [[http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a183/blitzkrieg1701/TabithaKidsSleepinked.jpg has]] [[http://faroutthere.smackjeeves.com/comics/1090304/bridget-and-alphonses-horrifying-christmas-page-13/ gone]] [[http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a183/blitzkrieg1701/familyalbum14.jpg very well]].

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* ''FarOutThere'' ''Webcomic/FarOutThere'' has [[MotherlyScientist Tabitha]] creating the zombie children Bridget and Alphonse. Surprisingly, despite how it sounds, [[http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a183/blitzkrieg1701/familyalbum3.jpg this]] [[http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a183/blitzkrieg1701/TabithaKidsSleepinked.jpg has]] [[http://faroutthere.smackjeeves.com/comics/1090304/bridget-and-alphonses-horrifying-christmas-page-13/ gone]] [[http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a183/blitzkrieg1701/familyalbum14.jpg very well]].
23rd Oct '14 10:20:18 PM Doodler
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* In ''Literature/CircleOfMagic'', Daja creates living metal, which is treated as an amazing achievement and is used to make a copper tree that grows and ArtificialLimbs that move amongst other things. She doesn't cross the line into making sentient life though. Later in the books, an inexperienced glass mage accidentally makes a living glass dragon, who is also treated as a marvel.
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