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20th Apr '17 8:35:36 PM generalzod39
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* In the Italian remake of ''FanFic/BattleFantasiaProject'', the [[ComicBook/{{WITCH}} Guardians of Kandrakar]] have this reaction when they learn their training was as messed up as in canon because their ''training manuals'' had gone lost and could not be recovered due the spell enforcing the {{masquerade}} and the Congregation had debated on recreate them for ''fifty years''. In his defence, the Oracle agrees with them, and is quick to avert another instance (the trouble with Ari of Arkhanta, who has an autistic son and a banshee powerful enough to threaten Kandrakar. As now it's possible, he has the Guardians bring the child to a therapist).

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* In the Italian remake of ''FanFic/BattleFantasiaProject'', the [[ComicBook/{{WITCH}} Guardians of Kandrakar]] have this reaction when they learn their training was as messed up as in canon because their ''training manuals'' had gone lost and could not be recovered due the spell enforcing the {{masquerade}} and the Congregation had debated on recreate recreating them for ''fifty years''. In his defence, defense, the Oracle agrees with them, them and is quick to avert another instance (the trouble with Ari of Arkhanta, who has an autistic son and a banshee powerful enough to threaten Kandrakar. As now it's possible, he has the Guardians bring the child to a therapist).



* Twilight Sparkle says this to Celestia in ''Fanfic/TheNegotiationsVerse'' regarding the war she started with the humans, as she chose to believe in the worst of humanity without even trying to make peace with them, opened [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureau the conversion bureaus]], and attempted to force humanity into becoming ponies when it became clear the majority of them didn't want to change.

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* Twilight Sparkle says this to Celestia in ''Fanfic/TheNegotiationsVerse'' regarding the war she Celestia started with the humans, as she chose to believe in the worst of humanity without even trying to make peace with them, opened [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureau the conversion bureaus]], bureaus]] under false pretenses, and then attempted to force humanity into becoming ponies when it became clear the majority of them didn't want to change.
9th Apr '17 7:48:07 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* The FramingDevice of ''Film/ForrestGump'' fits. The story is him telling his life story while waiting at a bus stop to several other folks waiting, the listeners rotating as passengers board the bus and others come to wait for theirs. Eventually, he gets to the here and now and tells the current listener that he's waiting for a bus to Jenny's new house, having gotten a letter from her. The woman currently listening tells him the place he wants is only a few blocks away, and he doesn't need the bus; he quickly excuses himself and starts walking there, leading to the finale.
28th Mar '17 9:52:40 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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-->'''Elliot''': ''"Whoops"?!''

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-->'''Elliot''': ''"Whoops"?!''''[[WhatTheHellHero "Whoops"?!]]''
28th Mar '17 8:38:13 AM crazysamaritan
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An antagonist appears with a problem. However, instead of asking for help from the Hero and other reasonable things, they engage in a disruptive and destructive behavior that forces the heroes to do some derring-do to stop him.

Once the situation is resolved, the heroes admonish the antagonist that they could have helped with the problem in the beginning and all the rough stuff could have been avoided if the antagonist was civilized and [[PoorCommunicationKills savvy enough]] to [[PolitenessJudo ask politely.]]

A good WarriorTherapist sometimes foresees this and tells this to the villains at their first engagement. Obviously, that doesn't help.

Sometimes, [[TheCallHasBadReception when a call has bad reception]], this can make a would-be hero fall right into this trap. LetsYouAndHimFight stories often have this flaw.

A common symptom of ChronicBackstabbingDisorder and holding the {{Idiot|Ball}} and/or ConflictBall. This is normally the commonly dramatic form of IdiotPlot.

Compare DramaticallyMissingThePoint. See also ForWantOfANail and TragicMistake for different takes on plot points that could have been avoided.

Please remember '''Administrivia/InUniverseExamplesOnly''', do not confuse with events unfolding according to the TheoryOfNarrativeCausality.

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An antagonist appears You have your standard plot, with a problem. However, instead of asking for help from the Hero and other reasonable things, they engage in a disruptive and destructive behavior that forces the heroes to do some derring-do to stop him.

Once the situation is resolved, the heroes admonish the antagonist that they could have helped with the problem in the beginning and
all the rough stuff drama and conflict and what have you. But when everything is resolved and wrapped up, the characters realize that much of the plot, if not every bit of it, could have been avoided if the antagonist was civilized and [[PoorCommunicationKills savvy enough]] to [[PolitenessJudo ask politely.]]

A good WarriorTherapist sometimes foresees this and tells this to the villains at their first engagement. Obviously, that doesn't help.

Sometimes, [[TheCallHasBadReception when a call has bad reception]], this can make a would-be hero fall
they had done something different. That's right into this trap. LetsYouAndHimFight stories it's an InUniverse realization on behalf of the characters, not the audience.

It
often have this flaw.

A common symptom of ChronicBackstabbingDisorder and holding
happens due to PoorCommunicationKills (talking things out would've helped majorly), but it's not restricted to that. Whatever it is, it must be something that would've rendered the {{Idiot|Ball}} and/or ConflictBall. This is normally plot unnecessary at a reasonably early point in the commonly dramatic form of IdiotPlot.

episode/work.

It may serve as AnAesop if doing the moral/ethical thing from the start would've improved everything. If the drama happened because a character or more behaved in an uncharacteristically dumb or aggressive way, then the IdiotBall or the ConflictBall were used, respectively.

Compare DramaticallyMissingThePoint. See also ForWantOfANail DidntThinkThisThrough, where a plan proves to have crippling flaws after its execution, and TragicMistake for different takes on plot StatingTheSimpleSolution, when a character points out that could have been avoided.

a plan is impractical and offers a much easier one ''before'' carrying it out. Please remember this trope allows '''Administrivia/InUniverseExamplesOnly''', and do not confuse with events unfolding according to the TheoryOfNarrativeCausality.
19th Mar '17 11:05:53 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* The carnage that ensues in the Creator/CharlesStross novel ''The Nightmare Stacks'' could have been entirely avoided if [[spoiler: The People had just asked for asylum as refugees from the Horrors infesting their world, instead of launching an assault on Leeds in an attempt to conquer Earth]].



* ''WesternAnimation/{{Kaeloo}}'': The episode "Let's Play Me-Me-Nopoly" starts with Quack Quack sitting on the couch. Then, Stumpy shows up, and Quack Quack quickly lies down on the couch so Stumpy can't sit on it, and the two get into a huge fight. Kaeloo suggests solving the problem with a game of Me-Me-Nopoly, which subsequently causes a variety of new problems (e.g. Mr. Cat [[TakeOverTheWorld taking over the world]]). The whole plot could have just been avoided if Quack Quack had just let Stumpy sit next to him.
19th Mar '17 10:54:58 PM PetroleumJerry
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* The carnage that ensues in the Creator/CharlesStross novel ''The Nightmare Stacks'' could have been entirely avoided if [[spoiler: The People had just asked for asylum as refugees from the Horrors infesting their world, instead of launching an assault on Leeds in an attempt to conquer Earth]].
19th Mar '17 7:37:22 PM RandomnessUnlimited
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Kaeloo}}'': The episode "Let's Play Me-Me-Nopoly" starts with Quack Quack sitting on the couch. Then, Stumpy shows up, and Quack Quack quickly lies down on the couch so Stumpy can't sit on it, and the two get into a huge fight. Kaeloo suggests solving the problem with a game of Me-Me-Nopoly, which subsequently causes a variety of new problems (e.g. Mr. Cat [[TakeOverTheWorld taking over the world]]). The whole plot could have just been avoided if Quack Quack had just let Stumpy sit next to him.
12th Mar '17 10:51:09 PM KizunaTallis
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* Twilight Sparkle says this to Celestia in ''Fanfic/TheNegotiationsVerse'' regarding the war she started with the humans, as she chose to believe in the worst of humanity without even trying to make peace with them, opened [[Fanfic/TheConversionBureau the conversion bureaus]], and attempted to force humanity into becoming ponies when it became clear the majority of them didn't want to change.
2nd Mar '17 4:12:20 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' has two fighting factions plunging Skyrim into civil-war, The Imperials lead by General Tulius, who are obligated to keep the peace for their province and the Stormcloaks lead by Ulfric Stormcloak, who wants to have the freedom to worship their native son become ascended god, Talos. Peace is an impossibility at this point, the Empire can't honor Talos anymore due to a treaty, violating it would mean war, and cultural sensibilities of the people of Skyrim prevent the Stormcloaks from just accepting this so Ulfric Stormcloak killed the former king of Skyrim to take his place and reinstate Talos. But turns out the former king not only admired Ulfric but worshiped Talos privately, the only reason he didn't seek to repeal the law himself was he wasn't sure enough of the other rulers would support him. In-fact the only reason Ulfric got into see the High-King in the first place was he thought Ulfric was going to ask him to do exactly that, instead Ulfric opted to assassinate him. Could have saved himself an entire war, the lives of countless men and weakening his homeland if he had just asked for the High-King's help instead of just killing him.
25th Feb '17 3:14:52 AM Aribter-Nelson
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* ''VideoGame/ElderScrollsVSkyrim'' has two fighting factions plunging Skyrim into civil-war, The Imperials lead by General Tulius, who are obligated to keep the peace for their province and the Stormcloaks lead by Ulfric Stormcloak, who wants to have the freedom to worship their native son become ascended god, Talos. Peace is an impossibility at this point, the Empire can't honor Talos anymore due to a treaty, violating it would mean war, and cultural sensibilities of the people of Skyrim prevent the Stormcloaks from just accepting this so Ulfric Stormcloak killed the former king of Skyrim to take his place and reinstate Talos. But turns out the former king not only admired Ulfric but worshiped Talos privately, the only reason he didn't seek to repeal the law himself was he wasn't sure enough of the other rulers would support him. In-fact the only reason Ulfric got into see the High-King in the first place was he thought Ulfric was going to ask him to do exactly that, instead Ulfric opted to assassinate him. Could have saved himself an entire war, the lives of countless men and weakening his homeland if he had just asked for the High-King's help instead of just killing him.

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* ''VideoGame/ElderScrollsVSkyrim'' ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' has two fighting factions plunging Skyrim into civil-war, The Imperials lead by General Tulius, who are obligated to keep the peace for their province and the Stormcloaks lead by Ulfric Stormcloak, who wants to have the freedom to worship their native son become ascended god, Talos. Peace is an impossibility at this point, the Empire can't honor Talos anymore due to a treaty, violating it would mean war, and cultural sensibilities of the people of Skyrim prevent the Stormcloaks from just accepting this so Ulfric Stormcloak killed the former king of Skyrim to take his place and reinstate Talos. But turns out the former king not only admired Ulfric but worshiped Talos privately, the only reason he didn't seek to repeal the law himself was he wasn't sure enough of the other rulers would support him. In-fact the only reason Ulfric got into see the High-King in the first place was he thought Ulfric was going to ask him to do exactly that, instead Ulfric opted to assassinate him. Could have saved himself an entire war, the lives of countless men and weakening his homeland if he had just asked for the High-King's help instead of just killing him.
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