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17th Nov '17 6:12:11 AM Turrican
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** And then ''VideoGame/SonicGenerations'' happened, [[spoiler:reintroducing the game as an alternate timeline.]]

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** And then ''VideoGame/SonicGenerations'' happened, [[spoiler:reintroducing the game as an alternate timeline.]]]] As of ''VideoGame/SonicForces'', the events of Generations also caused Classic Sonic to become an alternate timeline instead of being Modern Sonic's past self.
14th Nov '17 6:06:24 AM Dinjoralo
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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' had the events of the ''Literature/TimeSpiralCycle'', which culminated in The Mending; multiple Planeswalkers uniting to stop the multiverse from unraveling itself. This caused all the involved Planeswalkers to die or lose their spark, and anyone that was born with a Planeswalker spark afterwards was much less powerful; While they could still travel through the multiverse, they did not have the power to do so at a mere whim, nor were they immortal. This meant that new Planeswalkers could be printed on cards that didn't have to choose between representing their power, and being properly balanced.
10th Nov '17 6:07:43 PM sonikkuruzu
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*** An altered version of the ''ComicBook/SupermanLoisAndClark'' miniseries is worked in, with it being established that Clark and Lois ''did'' still live on a farm during that time, with Lois working as "Author X". However, their civilian friends knew they were away and had had a son, and Superman took a break from the Justice League and operated at night. The reason for this is because Lois' writing on Intergang resulted in her and Clark being targeted, ans so they went ibto hiding. Before, the pre-Flashpoint Clark and Lois didn't ''have'' any friends, and New 52 Superman was still on the League and the pre-New 52 Superman operated in secret just because he didn't want to reveal the nature of the multiverse to the world, and later because he didn't trust the New 52's more cynical worldviww.

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*** An altered version of the ''ComicBook/SupermanLoisAndClark'' miniseries is worked in, with it being established that Clark and Lois ''did'' still live on a farm during that time, with Lois working as "Author X". However, their civilian friends knew they were away and had had a son, and Superman took a break from the Justice League and operated at night. The reason for this is because Lois' writing on Intergang resulted in her and Clark being targeted, ans and so they went ibto into hiding. Before, the pre-Flashpoint Clark and Lois didn't ''have'' any friends, and New 52 Superman was still on the League and the pre-New 52 Superman operated in secret just because he didn't want to reveal the nature of the multiverse to the world, and later because he didn't trust the New 52's more cynical worldviww.worldview.
8th Nov '17 10:20:45 PM boxorak
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*In ''IfTheEmperorHadATextToSpeechDevice'', Uriel Ventris suspects that ''something'' has been altering history to lessen or nullify the Ultramarines' failures and making them always succeed no matter how impossible the odds are. [[spoiler: It's hinted that Marneus Calgar made some sort of DealWithTheDevil that turned the Ultramarines into MarySues, and that whatever he did occurred during the Tyranid invasion of Ultramar]].
** The second Q&A episode reveals that retconned or DeaderThanDead characters get sent to a realm called "The Retconnian". So far, Malal, [[InsistentTerminology Fucking]] Horus and the Squats have been seen in there.
8th Nov '17 6:06:25 AM kyojikasshu
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** In ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'', a sentient cosmic cube named Kobik restores the youth and super powers of the original ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, Steve Rogers. However ''ComicBook/CaptainAmericaSteveRogers'' reveal that, in a shocking twist, she has changed retroactively his story making Steve a member of [=HYDRA=] in the process (with things like Cap's mother had been convinced to join HYDRA before Steve's father died). This because, before, the Red Skull has manipulated her and she believed [=HYDRA=] to be perfection.

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** In ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'', a sentient cosmic cube named Kobik restores the youth and super powers of the original ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, Steve Rogers. However ''ComicBook/CaptainAmericaSteveRogers'' reveal that, in a shocking twist, she has changed retroactively his story making Steve a member of [=HYDRA=] in the process (with things like Cap's mother had been convinced to join HYDRA before Steve's father died). This because, before, the Red Skull has manipulated her and she believed [=HYDRA=] to be perfection. And then it turned out that [[spoiler: she didn't just alter Steve's past, she ''created a whole new alternate timeline'', and brought ''that'' Steve into the main timeline, while the true, would-never-join-[=HYDRA=] Steve was trapped in a limbo created by Kobik. Eventually, good Steve was freed and beat evil Steve, but now there are two versions of Steve Rogers in the Marvel Universe]].
14th Oct '17 8:42:31 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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** ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'', building off ''Franchise/TheFlash: Rebirth'' mentioned below, boils down to simply a time-traveller mucking things up and the heroes having to fix it. When ComicBook/TheFlash makes the fixes, Pandora steps in and uses him to merge the Creator/VertigoComics and Creator/{{Wildstorm}} continuities with the main DCU to create a single timeline, saying the three had originally been one timeline splintered long ago. It seems to be this merging, not a case of incorrectly repairing history, that causes the retcons.
** ''[[ComicBook/{{Convergence}} Convergence #8]]'' causes [[spoiler:the events of ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' to be rewritten, so the pre-Crisis multiverse comes back with the addition of the worlds added post-''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis''. However, this doesn't rewrite any of the universes' continuities, and they keep going as they were beforehand]].

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** ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'', building off ''Franchise/TheFlash: Rebirth'' mentioned below, boils down to simply a time-traveller mucking things up and the heroes having to fix it. When ComicBook/TheFlash Barry Allen makes the fixes, Pandora steps in and uses him to merge the Creator/VertigoComics and Creator/{{Wildstorm}} continuities with the main DCU to create a single timeline, saying the three had originally been one timeline splintered long ago. It seems to be this merging, not a case of incorrectly repairing history, that causes the retcons.
** ''[[ComicBook/{{Convergence}} Convergence #8]]'' ''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}'' causes [[spoiler:the events of ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' to be rewritten, so the pre-Crisis multiverse comes back with the addition of the worlds added post-''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis''. However, this doesn't rewrite any of the universes' continuities, and they keep going as they were beforehand]].



** ''ComicBook/SupermanReborn'': When [[spoiler: Pre-Flashpoint Superman and Lois fuse with the New 52 Superman and Lois]], it creates a new history for not only Superman and Lois, but also the DC Universe as a whole. Basically, it incorporates ''some'' of the New 52 stuff into the pre-Flashpoint stuff. Changes to their history incliude:
*** ''ComicBook/SupermanSecretOrigin'' being once again canon, with callbacks to the story presented in the "Aftermath" issues, including how Superman first saves Lois, the design of Metallo and a visual call back to what inspired Lex Luthor's hatred of Superman.
*** Clark revealing his identity to Lois, whereas the New 52 Clark never did, and the two being married.

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** ''ComicBook/SupermanReborn'': When [[spoiler: Pre-Flashpoint Superman and Lois fuse with the New 52 Superman and Lois]], it creates a new history for not only Superman and Lois, but also the DC Universe as a whole. Basically, In terms of Superman's backstory, basically it incorporates ''some'' of the New 52 stuff into the pre-Flashpoint stuff. Changes to their history incliude:
*** ''ComicBook/SupermanSecretOrigin'' The pre-Flashpoint Superman's most recent origin, ''ComicBook/SupermanSecretOrigin'', being once again canon, with callbacks to the story presented in the "Aftermath" issues, including how Superman first saves Lois, the design of Metallo and a visual call back to what inspired Lex Luthor's hatred of Superman.
Superman. Previously, Superman's new origin was told in ''ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsActionComics
*** Clark revealing his identity to Lois, Lois and the two being married whereas the New 52 Clark never did, revealed his identity to Lois and the two being married.was never even in a relationship with her.



*** ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'' and ''ComicBook/SupermanTheWeddingAlbum'' are back into continuity.

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*** ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'' and ''ComicBook/SupermanTheWeddingAlbum'' are back into continuity.Superman still died at the hands of Doomsday, as he had before the New 52.
*** Notably, when Clark retells the rise of the Supermen that showed up after his death, Kon-El/Conner Kent is missing.



*** An altered version of the ''ComicBook/SupermanLoisAndClark'' miniseries is worked in, with it being established that Clark and Lois ''did'' still live on a farm during that time, with Lois working as "Author X". However, their civilian friends knew they were away and had had a son, and Superman took a break from the Justice League and operated at night. Before, the pre-Flashpoint Clark and Lois didn;'t ''have'' any friends, and New 52 Superman was still on the League and the pre-New 52 Superman operated in secret.
*** The restoring of villains such as Imperiex and the Hank Henshaw Cyborg Superman and ''his'' history, whereas the only New 52 Superman was Zor-El who'd only ''just'' appeared by the time of modern stories.

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*** An altered version of the ''ComicBook/SupermanLoisAndClark'' miniseries is worked in, with it being established that Clark and Lois ''did'' still live on a farm during that time, with Lois working as "Author X". However, their civilian friends knew they were away and had had a son, and Superman took a break from the Justice League and operated at night. The reason for this is because Lois' writing on Intergang resulted in her and Clark being targeted, ans so they went ibto hiding. Before, the pre-Flashpoint Clark and Lois didn;'t didn't ''have'' any friends, and New 52 Superman was still on the League and the pre-New 52 Superman operated in secret.
secret just because he didn't want to reveal the nature of the multiverse to the world, and later because he didn't trust the New 52's more cynical worldviww.
*** The restoring of villains such as Imperiex and the Hank Henshaw Cyborg Superman and ''his'' history, whereas the only New 52 Superman was Zor-El who'd only ''just'' appeared by the time of modern stories.stories, with it being established that Hank Henshaw ''didn't'' become Cyborg Superman in the New 52.


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*** Ma and Pa Kent ''did'' still die in a car crash, as they had in the New 52. Pre-Flashpoint, Pa Kent died of a heart attack long into Clark's Superman career, and Martha was still alive.
11th Oct '17 10:32:40 AM MisterVercetti
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* The end result of ''VideoGame/GhostTrick'': [[spoiler:Sissel, Missile, and Yomiel go back 10 years to prevent the latter's death via a meteorite fragment, thus preventing all of the events leading up to the game proper from ever taking place]].
11th Oct '17 8:08:50 AM BeerBaron
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*** Was he really [[MultipleChoicePast Talos of Atmora, or Hjalti Early-Beard of High Rock]]? One prominent theory states that the latter was true ''at first'', but following his apotheosis, he rewrote history to make the former true as well (or instead).

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*** Was he really [[MultipleChoicePast Was he really]] Talos of Atmora, or a Nord who heroically rose to the position of Emperor, uniting all of Tamriel for the first time, as [[WrittenByTheWinners orthodox Imperial history]] states? Or was he Hjalti Early-Beard of High Rock]]? Rock, a shrewd Breton politician and [[ManipulativeBastard master manipulator]] who rode his many powerful friends to become Emperor and then backstabbed them the moment it became convenient? [[TakeAThirdOption One prominent theory theory]] states that the latter was true ''at first'', but following his apotheosis, he literally rewrote history to make the former true as well (or instead).instead). (Lending credence to this theory, Vivec, the Dunmeri PhysicalGod, canonically did something similar upon his own ascent to godhood.)
5th Sep '17 1:06:36 AM FuzzyBarbarian
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** ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' did it to the entire DC Universe - the destruction of TheMultiverse damaged the time-stream, changing the histories of many characters who lived on the only surviving Earth, thus removing their pre-Crisis backstories (and their campiest adventures.) Several survivors of other Earths have been rewritten into the new history. (For several years this failed to work properly with ComicBook/PowerGirl, and she shifted between several conflicting origins until the universe found a way to slot her in properly. Or rather, that was the in-universe explanation for her MultipleChoicePast.)
** ''ComicBook/ZeroHour: Crisis in Time'', the first sequel to ''Crisis on Infinite Earths'', was the second universe-wide retcon, caused by [[GreenLantern Hal Jordan]] and Hank Hall going mad and tampering with the timestream. It created the [[ComicBookTime sliding timescale]] that the DCU has used since and altered the backstories of several characters, most notably ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} and the Comicbook/{{Legion of Super-Heroes}}.

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** ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' did it to the entire DC Universe - -- the destruction of TheMultiverse damaged the time-stream, changing the histories of many characters who lived on the only surviving Earth, thus removing their pre-Crisis backstories (and their campiest adventures.) Several survivors of other Earths have been rewritten into the new history. (For several years this failed to work properly with ComicBook/PowerGirl, history, such as the Justice Society, who instead of being the Justice League equivalent from Earth 2, were now the first superhero team and she shifted between several conflicting origins until were active in the universe found a way to slot her in properly. Or rather, that was 1940s (which is when the in-universe explanation for her MultipleChoicePast.)
original stories were published).
** ''ComicBook/ZeroHour: Crisis in Time'', the first sequel to ''Crisis on Infinite Earths'', was the second universe-wide retcon, caused by [[GreenLantern Hal Jordan]] and Hank Hall going mad and tampering with the timestream. It created the [[ComicBookTime sliding timescale]] that the DCU has used since and altered the backstories of several characters, most notably ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} ComicBook/{{Hawkman}}, who was ''extremely'' streamlined to deal with his snarl (that partly resulted from ''Crisis'') and the Comicbook/{{Legion of Super-Heroes}}.Super-Heroes}}, who got a complete ContinuityReboot.



** ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'', building off ''Franchise/TheFlash: Rebirth'' mentioned below, boils down to simply a time-traveller mucking things up and the heroes having to fix it. [[spoiler:When ComicBook/TheFlash makes the fixes, Pandora steps in and uses him to merge the Creator/VertigoComics and Creator/{{Wildstorm}} continuities with the main DCU to create a single timeline, saying the three had originally been one timeline splintered long ago. It seems to be this merging, not a case of incorrectly repairing history, that causes the retcons.]]
*** ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', while not a retcon itself but more a push towards the pre-''Flashpoint'' status quo while keeping the post-''Flashpoint'' canon, reveals that [[spoiler:the retcon was not the Flash's fault at all. Instead, it was caused by [[{{ComicBook/Watchmen}} Dr. Manhattan]].]]

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** ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'', building off ''Franchise/TheFlash: Rebirth'' mentioned below, boils down to simply a time-traveller mucking things up and the heroes having to fix it. [[spoiler:When When ComicBook/TheFlash makes the fixes, Pandora steps in and uses him to merge the Creator/VertigoComics and Creator/{{Wildstorm}} continuities with the main DCU to create a single timeline, saying the three had originally been one timeline splintered long ago. It seems to be this merging, not a case of incorrectly repairing history, that causes the retcons.]]
*** ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', while not a retcon itself but more a push towards the pre-''Flashpoint'' status quo while keeping the post-''Flashpoint'' canon, reveals that [[spoiler:the retcon was not the Flash's fault at all. Instead, it was caused by [[{{ComicBook/Watchmen}} Dr. Manhattan]].]]



*** ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'' and ''ComicBook/SupermanTheWeddingAlbum'' back into continuity.
*** The events of ''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}: Superman'' are undone as Lois gave birth in the Fortress of Solitude and not the ''Flashpoint'' Batcave, with Bruce Wayne involved to drive things home.
*** An altered version of the ''ComicBook/SupermanLoisAndClark'' miniseries is worked in, with it being established that Clark and Lois ''did'' still live on a farm during that time, with Lois working as "Author X". However, their civilian friends knew they were away and had had a son, and Superman took a break from the Justice League and operated at night, whereas before, New 52 Superman was still on the League and the pre-New 52 Superman operated in secret.

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*** ''ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman'' and ''ComicBook/SupermanTheWeddingAlbum'' are back into continuity.
*** The events of ''ComicBook/{{Convergence}}: Superman'' are undone undone, as Lois gave birth in the Fortress of Solitude and not the ''Flashpoint'' Batcave, with Bruce Wayne involved instead of Thomas Wayne to drive things home.
*** An altered version of the ''ComicBook/SupermanLoisAndClark'' miniseries is worked in, with it being established that Clark and Lois ''did'' still live on a farm during that time, with Lois working as "Author X". However, their civilian friends knew they were away and had had a son, and Superman took a break from the Justice League and operated at night, whereas before, night. Before, the pre-Flashpoint Clark and Lois didn;'t ''have'' any friends, and New 52 Superman was still on the League and the pre-New 52 Superman operated in secret.



*** The story also removed the Trinity's New 52 meeting (they met when the Justice League formed). Instead, Superman met Batman at some unspecified point, and both met Wonder Woman a while later.

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*** The story also removed the Trinity's New 52 meeting (they met when the Justice League formed).formed while Darkseid was invading Earth). Instead, Superman met Batman at some unspecified point, and both met Wonder Woman a while later.
30th Aug '17 6:24:08 AM CosmicFerret
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** ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'', building off ''Franchise/TheFlash: Rebirth'' mentioned below, boils down to simply a time-traveller mucking things up and the heroes having to fix it. [[spoiler:When TheFlash makes the fixes, Pandora steps in and uses him to merge the Creator/VertigoComics and Creator/{{Wildstorm}} continuities with the main DCU to create a single timeline, saying the three had originally been one timeline splintered long ago. It seems to be this merging, not a case of incorrectly repairing history, that causes the retcons.]]

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** ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'', building off ''Franchise/TheFlash: Rebirth'' mentioned below, boils down to simply a time-traveller mucking things up and the heroes having to fix it. [[spoiler:When TheFlash ComicBook/TheFlash makes the fixes, Pandora steps in and uses him to merge the Creator/VertigoComics and Creator/{{Wildstorm}} continuities with the main DCU to create a single timeline, saying the three had originally been one timeline splintered long ago. It seems to be this merging, not a case of incorrectly repairing history, that causes the retcons.]]
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