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15th Aug '17 9:26:40 AM wingedcatgirl
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* The game ''VideoGame/TimeHollow'' involves the main character "fixing" Cosmic Retcons caused by the game's villain.


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* ''VisualNovel/TimeHollow'' involves the main character "fixing" Cosmic Retcons caused by the game's villain.
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4th Aug '17 6:29:48 AM BeerBaron
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** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'' has seven possible MultipleEndings, depending on what [[PlayerCharacter the Agent]] decides to do with the [[MacGuffin Mantella]]. Later games reveal that ''all'' of the endings happened at once due to an event known as the "Warp in the West", MergingTheBranches of the endings, though [[BroadStrokes none to the same extent they would have individually]].

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** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'' has seven possible MultipleEndings, depending on what [[PlayerCharacter the Agent]] decides to do with the [[MacGuffin Mantella]]. Later games reveal that ''all'' of the endings happened at once due to an event known as the "Warp in the West", MergingTheBranches of the endings, though [[BroadStrokes none to the same extent they would have individually]]. For example, instead of one kingdom taking over the entire Iliac Bay, it is divided into four. Likewise, [[EvilSorcerer Mannimarco]] still ascends as a god, but in a rather minor station.



*** Until the events of the Warp in the West, Cyrodiil was a dense tropical jungle. Following his apotheosis, Talos is said to have [[RealityWarper warped reality]] to turn Cyrodiil into a temperate forest instead as a reward for the [[BadassArmy Imperial Legions]] who served him so well as Emperor. As seen in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsOnline Online]]'', which is a prequel to the main series taking place hundreds of years before Septim's rise, this change is apparently retroactive, making it so that Cyrodiil was always a temperate forest land.

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*** Until the events of the Warp in the West, Cyrodiil was described as a dense tropical jungle. Following his apotheosis, Talos is said to have [[RealityWarper warped reality]] to turn Cyrodiil into a temperate forest instead as a reward for the [[BadassArmy Imperial Legions]] who served him so well as Emperor. As seen in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsOnline Online]]'', which is a prequel to the main series taking place hundreds of years before Septim's rise, this change is apparently retroactive, making it so that Cyrodiil was always a temperate forest land.
3rd Aug '17 11:58:36 AM BeerBaron
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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series, the Warp in the West, which among other things, [[spoiler:allowed each of the MultipleEndings of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'' to be true.]]
** Tiber Septim was said to be capable of this. Perhaps the biggest example is the province of Cyrodiil itself, which, before he came around, was all tropical jungle. These days it is more of a temperate forest.
*** This was retconned again in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsOnline''. Now they're saying it's a case of ''FutureImperfect'' and Cyrodiil was never a jungle. So they're saying that it was never a Cosmic Retcon after all, and just a mistranslation of old documents.
*** Given that timelines are [[TimeyWimeyBall confusing and tangled]] in the ''Elder Scrolls'' lore when divine beings are involved and paradoxes are rampant as a result (Vivec has two contradicting origin stories which are ''both true'', for example. Or how all six of ''Daggerfall's'' mutually-exclusive endings are canon), it's possible that the temperate Cyrodiil in ''The Elder Scrolls Online'' was a retroactive change to the timeline by Talos.

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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series, the Warp at many points in the West, which among series and in the backstory, these have resulted from "[[TimeCrash Dragon Breaks]]" and other things, [[spoiler:allowed each timeline altering, [[RealityIsOutToLunch reality warping]] events. To note some of the MultipleEndings of more prominent examples:
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''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'' has seven possible MultipleEndings, depending on what [[PlayerCharacter the Agent]] decides to be true.]]
do with the [[MacGuffin Mantella]]. Later games reveal that ''all'' of the endings happened at once due to an event known as the "Warp in the West", MergingTheBranches of the endings, though [[BroadStrokes none to the same extent they would have individually]].
** Following the posthumous [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence ascent]] of [[FounderOfTheKingdom Tiber Septim was Septim]] to godhood as the [[DeityOfHumanOrigin deity Talos]], he is said to be capable have used his powers to cause several of this. Perhaps these. To note:
*** Was he really [[MultipleChoicePast Talos of Atmora, or Hjalti Early-Beard of High Rock]]? One prominent theory states that
the biggest example is latter was true ''at first'', but following his apotheosis, he rewrote history to make the province former true as well (or instead).
*** Until the events
of the Warp in the West, Cyrodiil itself, which, before he came around, was all a dense tropical jungle. These days it Following his apotheosis, Talos is more of said to have [[RealityWarper warped reality]] to turn Cyrodiil into a temperate forest.
*** This was retconned again
forest instead as a reward for the [[BadassArmy Imperial Legions]] who served him so well as Emperor. As seen in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsOnline''. Now they're saying it's ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsOnline Online]]'', which is a case prequel to the main series taking place hundreds of ''FutureImperfect'' and years before Septim's rise, this change is apparently retroactive, making it so that Cyrodiil was never always a jungle. So they're saying that it was never a Cosmic Retcon after all, and just a mistranslation of old documents.
*** Given that timelines are [[TimeyWimeyBall confusing and tangled]] in the ''Elder Scrolls'' lore when divine beings are involved and paradoxes are rampant as a result (Vivec has two contradicting origin stories which are ''both true'', for example. Or how all six of ''Daggerfall's'' mutually-exclusive endings are canon), it's possible that the
temperate Cyrodiil in ''The Elder Scrolls Online'' was a retroactive change to the timeline by Talos.forest land.
23rd Jul '17 11:48:01 PM FuzzyBarbarian
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*** An altered version of the ''ComicBook/SupermanLoisAndClark'' miniseries is worked in, with it being established that Clark and Lois ''did'' still live on a farm during that time, with Lois working as "Author X". However, their civilian friends knew they were away and had had a son, and Superman took a break from the Justice League and operated at night, whereas before, New 52 Superman was still on the League.
*** The restoring of villains such as Imperiex and the Hank Henshaw Cyborg Superman and ''his'' history, whereas the New 52 Superman was Zor-El who'd only ''just'' appeared by the time of modern stories.
*** With Jon being born in the mainstream DCU, this also makes the "five year" time span of the New 52 moot. Previously, Jon was born in the ''Convergence'' story and world and was brought to the New 52 world as a newborn. He later showed up in modern times at an unspecified age. After ''Reborn''. Jon specifically states that he's 10, and Clark did quite a bit before he was born in the new timeline, all of which was public. Meaning there is no way the 5 year timeline can be intact.

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*** An altered version of the ''ComicBook/SupermanLoisAndClark'' miniseries is worked in, with it being established that Clark and Lois ''did'' still live on a farm during that time, with Lois working as "Author X". However, their civilian friends knew they were away and had had a son, and Superman took a break from the Justice League and operated at night, whereas before, New 52 Superman was still on the League.
League and the pre-New 52 Superman operated in secret.
*** The restoring of villains such as Imperiex and the Hank Henshaw Cyborg Superman and ''his'' history, whereas the only New 52 Superman was Zor-El who'd only ''just'' appeared by the time of modern stories.
*** With Jon being born in the mainstream DCU, this also makes the "five year" time span of the New 52 moot. Previously, Jon was born in the ''Convergence'' story and world and was brought to the New 52 world as a newborn. He later showed up in modern times at an unspecified age. After ''Reborn''. ''Reborn'', Jon specifically states that he's 10, and Clark did quite a bit before he was born in the new timeline, all of which was public. Meaning there is no way the 5 year timeline can be intact.intact.
*** The story also removed the Trinity's New 52 meeting (they met when the Justice League formed). Instead, Superman met Batman at some unspecified point, and both met Wonder Woman a while later.
18th Jul '17 1:12:16 PM Necrodomo
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* In the original ''VideoGame/NexusWar'' there were originally twelve [[PowersThatBe Elder Powers]] with one missing or dead god each from the good, evil and neutral sides. By the timeline of the second game, this was eventually revealed to be myths or misinformation, and two of the three missing gods turned out to really be lesser beings or avatars of other gods.
9th Jun '17 3:29:50 PM nombretomado
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** ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'', building off ''Franchise/TheFlash: Rebirth'' mentioned below, boils down to simply a time-traveller mucking things up and the heroes having to fix it. [[spoiler:When TheFlash makes the fixes, Pandora steps in and uses him to merge the Creator/VertigoComics and {{Wildstorm}} continuities with the main DCU to create a single timeline, saying the three had originally been one timeline splintered long ago. It seems to be this merging, not a case of incorrectly repairing history, that causes the retcons.]]

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** ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'', building off ''Franchise/TheFlash: Rebirth'' mentioned below, boils down to simply a time-traveller mucking things up and the heroes having to fix it. [[spoiler:When TheFlash makes the fixes, Pandora steps in and uses him to merge the Creator/VertigoComics and {{Wildstorm}} Creator/{{Wildstorm}} continuities with the main DCU to create a single timeline, saying the three had originally been one timeline splintered long ago. It seems to be this merging, not a case of incorrectly repairing history, that causes the retcons.]]
1st Jun '17 6:22:21 PM TheCuza
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* One of the endings of ''VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell'' is [[spoiler:God rebooting the ''Saints Row'' universe to a world where Johnny, Kinzie and Matt are cops.]] This ending leads to the ''Videogame/AgentsOfMayhem'' universe.

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* One of the endings of ''VideoGame/SaintsRowGatOutOfHell'' is [[spoiler:God rebooting [[spoiler:Johnny asking God to retcon the ''Saints Row'' universe to a world so that the Earth was never destroyed, creating an alternate timeline where the Saints don't exist and Johnny, Kinzie Kinzie, and Matt are cops.]] This ending leads to the cops]]. The SpinOff game ''Videogame/AgentsOfMayhem'' universe.takes place in this timeline.
20th May '17 4:22:58 PM nombretomado
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** ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'', building off ''Franchise/TheFlash: Rebirth'' mentioned below, boils down to simply a time-traveller mucking things up and the heroes having to fix it. [[spoiler:When TheFlash makes the fixes, Pandora steps in and uses him to merge the VertigoComics and {{Wildstorm}} continuities with the main DCU to create a single timeline, saying the three had originally been one timeline splintered long ago. It seems to be this merging, not a case of incorrectly repairing history, that causes the retcons.]]

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** ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}'', building off ''Franchise/TheFlash: Rebirth'' mentioned below, boils down to simply a time-traveller mucking things up and the heroes having to fix it. [[spoiler:When TheFlash makes the fixes, Pandora steps in and uses him to merge the VertigoComics Creator/VertigoComics and {{Wildstorm}} continuities with the main DCU to create a single timeline, saying the three had originally been one timeline splintered long ago. It seems to be this merging, not a case of incorrectly repairing history, that causes the retcons.]]
16th May '17 9:59:36 AM nombretomado
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* Done several times throughout the backstory of ''Manga/XxxHolic'' and ''TsubasaReservoirChronicle''. You'd need a diagram drawn by Creator/MCEscher in seven dimensions to figure out the order of which retcon came before which, though. Altogether, they produced several [[CloningBlues clones]], eliminated the royalty of a kingdom as royalty while leaving their children the prince and princess in place (their ancestor from another dimension had to come in to act as a placeholder and keep causality intact), caused reality to not notice that someone had died for several hundred years, at which point it had ''always'' noticed (except for the aforementioned clones and friends), and both added and removed the main character's parents from existence (their existence in-story predated the retcon somehow, and the protagonist managed to survive his parents ceasing to have ever existed via a DealWithTheDevil).

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* Done several times throughout the backstory of ''Manga/XxxHolic'' and ''TsubasaReservoirChronicle''.''Manga/TsubasaReservoirChronicle''. You'd need a diagram drawn by Creator/MCEscher in seven dimensions to figure out the order of which retcon came before which, though. Altogether, they produced several [[CloningBlues clones]], eliminated the royalty of a kingdom as royalty while leaving their children the prince and princess in place (their ancestor from another dimension had to come in to act as a placeholder and keep causality intact), caused reality to not notice that someone had died for several hundred years, at which point it had ''always'' noticed (except for the aforementioned clones and friends), and both added and removed the main character's parents from existence (their existence in-story predated the retcon somehow, and the protagonist managed to survive his parents ceasing to have ever existed via a DealWithTheDevil).
15th May '17 3:44:57 PM Bebop
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** Creator/JMichaelStraczynski's revamp of ''Franchise/WonderWoman'' has Diana not as the first woman to leave Themyscria and make her way in man's world, but as a survivor of a Themyscria that was sacked when she was a child and who is just now coming into her Amazon heritage. Other characters in the DCU (such as Max Lord) are stunned to find out that few people seem to remember Wonder Woman as she was. Diana's goal is to try setting things right. This revamp [[spoiler: was a GambitPileup between the goddesses Nemesis and Clotho.]] Eventually Diana manages to set everything right, but her ordeal, likened to the ''Odyssea'', was meant to introduce new changes into the ''status quo'', like a [[http://www.geekosystem.com/new-wonder-woman-costume-600/ revised outfit]] and an harder, no-nonsense attitude for Diana, though this too seems to have be retconned by the end of ''Flashpoint'' and into her new series. Wonder Woman's pants (and lack thereof) [[http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/07/21/dc-the-new-52-panel-comic-con/ were the cause of so much drama]] that for several months they were in limbo, though by the time September 2011 rolled around [[RuleOfSexy she was again pantsless]].

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** Creator/JMichaelStraczynski's revamp of ''Franchise/WonderWoman'' has Diana not as the first woman to leave Themyscria and make her way in man's world, but as a survivor of a Themyscria that was sacked when she was a child and who is just now coming into her Amazon heritage. Other characters in the DCU (such as Max Lord) are stunned to find out that few people seem to remember Wonder Woman as she was. Diana's goal is to try setting things right. This revamp [[spoiler: was a GambitPileup between the goddesses Nemesis and Clotho.]] Eventually Diana manages to set everything right, but her ordeal, likened to the ''Odyssea'', was meant to introduce new changes into the ''status quo'', like a [[http://www.geekosystem.com/new-wonder-woman-costume-600/ revised outfit]] and an a harder, no-nonsense attitude for Diana, though this too seems to have be retconned by the end of ''Flashpoint'' and into her new series. Wonder Woman's pants (and lack thereof) [[http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/07/21/dc-the-new-52-panel-comic-con/ were the cause of so much drama]] that for several months they were in limbo, though by the time September 2011 rolled around [[RuleOfSexy she was again pantsless]].
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