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27th Sep '16 6:13:24 PM Discar
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*** One of the big flaws in the Devotiaries is that is the nobles decide to ignore religious rules, there is nothing his ardents can do about it. Highprince Sadeas, for example, uses slaves as cannon fodder, going through them at a horrific rate. This is against Vorin rules on treatment of slaves, but he's powerful enough that he can simply ignore the rules. Worse, his way is ''effective'', and the other nobles start imitating him.

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*** One of the big flaws in the Devotiaries is that is if the nobles decide to ignore religious rules, there is nothing his ardents can do about it. Highprince Sadeas, for example, uses slaves as cannon fodder, going through them at a horrific rate. This is against Vorin rules on treatment of slaves, but he's powerful enough that he can simply ignore the rules. Worse, his way is ''effective'', and the other nobles start imitating him.
27th Sep '16 6:12:34 PM Discar
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* The Obligators from ''[[Literature/MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy the Mistborn trilogy]]'' are an odd example. Though nominally a priesthood, they function more as bureaucrats and politicians, being much more interested in administering TheEmpire and playing political games with [[AristocratsAreEvil the nobility]] and each other than in tending to people's spiritual needs. Turns out that [[GodEmperor their god]] couldn't be happier with them- ''he'' cares more about running an empire than about true faith, and designed his religion accordingly.

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* Creator/BrandonSanderson:
** ''Literature/MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy'':
The Obligators from ''[[Literature/MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy the Mistborn trilogy]]'' are an odd example. Though nominally a priesthood, they function more as bureaucrats and politicians, being much more interested in administering TheEmpire and playing political games with [[AristocratsAreEvil the nobility]] and each other than in tending to people's spiritual needs. Turns out that [[GodEmperor their god]] couldn't be happier with them- them-- ''he'' cares more about running an empire than about true faith, and designed his religion accordingly.accordingly.
** ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'': Played with.
*** Thousands of years ago, the Vorin church formed the Hierocracy, a theocracy ruled by the priests. They taught that religion was a mysterious, supernatural thing beyond the understanding of normal people, and that everything should be left to the priests. They justified their rule with prophecies and mystical promises from the Almighty. They even tried to conquer the entire world for its own good. Eventually, an Alethi warlord later known as the Sunmaker raised an army against the church. When he interrogated the priests, he discovered that there were no prophecies; everything was a lie. Vorinism was shattered into the Devotiaries, small sects of priests dedicated to worshiping the Almighty in one specific way. The priests were replaced with the ardents, slaves who learn and teach religion, but leave enforcement to the nobles. The ardents help people choose a Glory and a Calling, and let them advance themselves in the Almighty's eyes on their own. Anything more is expressly forbidden.
*** One of the big flaws in the Devotiaries is that is the nobles decide to ignore religious rules, there is nothing his ardents can do about it. Highprince Sadeas, for example, uses slaves as cannon fodder, going through them at a horrific rate. This is against Vorin rules on treatment of slaves, but he's powerful enough that he can simply ignore the rules. Worse, his way is ''effective'', and the other nobles start imitating him.
*** Despite the fact that using ardents for politics is forbidden, some nobles have started using them as catspaws in their games. Again, there is nothing the ardents can do about this.
*** Queen Aesudan is unintentionally at the center of one of the worst corruptions of modern Vorinism. She is in charge of Kholinar while her husband is off fighting for vengeance on the Shattered Plains. She is very worried about her place in the Almighty's plan, and has many ardents to help her. Unfortunately for everyone involved, the ardents have discovered that all they need to do is lavish her with praise, and she will return the favor with expensive food, gifts, and other luxuries. A new ardent is horrified at both the material and spiritual cost, and resolves to do something about it. [[spoiler:This new ardent publicly denounces the queen's many failings, and the queen orders her executed. The next day, the city riots]].
24th Sep '16 11:57:29 AM Steven
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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' has a church in Ishgard that acts as both a military power and political figure and it has led a war against dragons for a thousand years due to, according to history, a dragon attacking the king and his knights during a parley. Everyone in Ishgard prays to their deity and to the church for safety and hope during the war. [[spoiler: It turns out that the church is not as benevolent as everyone would think. You discover that it was King Thordan I who attacked the dragons first and did so to eat a dragons' eye in order to gain more power. This perpetuated the war for a thousand years and this secret was safely guarded by the church ever since then with Bishop Thordan VII, who then plans to use the dragon eyes to become a god and rule Ishgard (and possibly the rest of the world) with an iron fist, believing that [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans power and suppression are needed to create everlasting peace]]. After the events of the main story where the truth is finally revealed and the figures responsible were removed, the reveal of the truth shook the foundation of Ishgard and weakened the trust in the church, which causes those who are still heavily faithful to the church to lash out against the people that want Ishgard to be for the people rather than the upper class. Aymeric and the player character manages to get both man and dragon to reunite in peace once more and helped create a government where the church is still needed but is no longer the sole influence.]]
13th Aug '16 11:08:55 AM nombretomado
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* The Vatican in ''DGrayMan''. [[spoiler: the entire upper hierarchy is apparently a bunch of blind-to-the-truth bastards... and are made of a couple akuma, as well.]] Not the exorcists. Just the vatican.

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* The Vatican in ''DGrayMan''.''Manga/DGrayMan''. [[spoiler: the entire upper hierarchy is apparently a bunch of blind-to-the-truth bastards... and are made of a couple akuma, as well.]] Not the exorcists. Just the vatican.
11th Aug '16 5:14:09 AM eowynjedi
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* Thomas Cromwell views the Catholic Church as this in ''Literature/WolfHall''.

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* Thomas Cromwell views the Catholic Church as this in ''Literature/WolfHall''. His Dissolution of the Monasteries, one of Henry VIII's more controversial policies, is shown in a more positive light than usual because from Cromwell's point of view the institutions are not only more likely to be corrupt than not (abbots who keep whores and the hilariously fraudulent trade in "relics" are mentioned prominently), but not even Biblically sound according to Cromwell's Protestant views.
19th Jul '16 6:04:29 PM Materioptikon
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* The Healing Church of ''VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}}''. Founded by heretic scholars from [[AcademyOfEvil Byrgenwerth College]] with the secret intent to research ascension to godhood via Old Blood, they spread the blood ministration techniques across Yharnam. Initially, they were successful in helping many people... infecting most of Yharnam with Old Blood, which served as the perfect vector for the Beast Scourge. Knowing full well it was their own fault, the Church organized massive witch hunts and openly encouraged the TorchesAndPitchforks approach, which only helped the infection spread further. Hiding their experiments and the fact the worst monsters were actually their own clerics, the Church kept on trying even as it fractured into the Choir and the School of Mensis and everything around them sank into a nightmare realm. The low-level initiates do have many decent people, but at heart the Church was basically a fraud to use Yharnam's citizenry as guinea pigs.

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* The Healing Church of ''VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}}''. Founded by heretic scholars from [[AcademyOfEvil Byrgenwerth College]] with the secret intent to research ascension to godhood via Old Blood, they spread the blood ministration techniques across Yharnam. Initially, they were successful in helping many people... infecting most of Yharnam with Old Blood, which served as they only later realized was the perfect prime vector for the Beast Scourge. Knowing full well it was their own fault, the Church organized massive witch hunts and openly encouraged the TorchesAndPitchforks approach, which only helped the infection spread further. Hiding their experiments and the fact the worst monsters were actually their own clerics, the Church kept on trying even as it fractured into the Choir and the School of Mensis and everything around them sank into a nightmare realm. The low-level initiates do have many decent people, but at heart the Church was basically a fraud to use Yharnam's citizenry as guinea pigs.
9th Jun '16 1:45:06 AM gewunomox
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* There's also a corrupt church in some of the songs from {{Queensryche}}'s ''Operation: Mindcrime''.
* In LimpBizkit's "The Priest".

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* There's also a corrupt church in some of the songs from {{Queensryche}}'s Music/{{Queensryche}}'s ''Operation: Mindcrime''.
* In LimpBizkit's Music/LimpBizkit's "The Priest".
16th May '16 11:38:22 AM Doug86
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* In Creator/RobertEHoward's Literature/ConanTheBarbarian story "Literature/RoguesInTheHouse," when the priest Nabonidus accuses Murilo, Murilo counter accuses:
-->''“I have no more cause for shame than you, you vulture-hearted plunderer,” answered Murilo promptly. “You exploit a whole kingdom for your personal greed; and, under the guise of disinterested statesmanship, you swindle the king, beggar the rich, oppress the poor, and sacrifice the whole future of the nation for your ruthless ambition. You are no more than a fat hog with his snout in the trough. You are a greater thief than I am. This Cimmerian is the most honest man of the three of us, because he steals and murders openly.”\\
“Well, then, we are all rogues together,” agreed Nabonidus equably. “And what now? My life?”''

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* In Creator/RobertEHoward's Literature/ConanTheBarbarian Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian story "Literature/RoguesInTheHouse," when the priest Nabonidus accuses Murilo, Murilo counter accuses:
-->''“I -->''"I have no more cause for shame than you, you vulture-hearted plunderer,” answered Murilo promptly. “You exploit a whole kingdom for your personal greed; and, under the guise of disinterested statesmanship, you swindle the king, beggar the rich, oppress the poor, and sacrifice the whole future of the nation for your ruthless ambition. You are no more than a fat hog with his snout in the trough. You are a greater thief than I am. This Cimmerian is the most honest man of the three of us, because he steals and murders openly.”\\
“Well,
"\\
"Well,
then, we are all rogues together,” together," agreed Nabonidus equably. “And "And what now? My life?”''life?"''
14th May '16 8:59:47 AM Materioptikon
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* The Cathedral of the Deep in ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII'' is one of the vilest institutions in the franchise's history. Led by [[SinisterMinister Pontiff Sulyvahn]], they desecrated the City of the Gods and turned it into their HQ. They worship Aldrich, the so-called Saint of the Deep, who in life was a depraved cannibal and after being forced to Link the Fire was turned into a god-eating BlobMonster. Sulyvahn, who's basically a cult leader, specializes in two particularly evil forms of magic: Chaos Pyromancies and Dark Sorceries. He's fond of pressing his rivals and potential challengers into his Outrider Knights, exiling them from Irithyll (giving them the illusion they'll be allowed to return) while fitting them with [[ArtifactOfDoom madness-inducing rings]]. The "Age of Deep" they so eagerly await is all but implied to be the Age of Dark.
* The Healing Church of ''VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}}''. Founded by heretic scholars from [[AcademyOfEvil Byrgenwerth College]] with the secret intent to research ascension to godhood via Old Blood, they spread the blood ministration techniques across Yharnam. Initially, they were successful in helping many people... infecting most of Yharnam with Old Blood, which served as the perfect vector for the Beast Scourge. Knowing full well it was their own fault, the Church organized massive witch hunts and openly encouraged the TorchesAndPitchforks approach, which only helped the infection spread further. Hiding their experiments and the fact the worst monsters were actually their own clerics, the Church kept on trying even as it fractured into the Choir and the School of Mensis and everything around them sank into a nightmare realm.

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* The Cathedral of the Deep in ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII'' is one of the vilest institutions in the franchise's history. Led by [[SinisterMinister Pontiff Sulyvahn]], they desecrated the City of the Gods and turned it into their HQ. They worship Aldrich, the so-called Saint of the Deep, who in life was a depraved cannibal and after being forced to Link the Fire was turned into a god-eating BlobMonster. Sulyvahn, who's basically a cult leader, specializes in two particularly evil forms of magic: Chaos Pyromancies and Dark Sorceries. He's fond of pressing his rivals and potential challengers into his Outrider Knights, exiling them from Irithyll (giving them the illusion they'll be allowed to return) while fitting them with [[ArtifactOfDoom madness-inducing rings]]. The "Age of Deep" they so eagerly await is all but implied to be the Age of Dark.
* The Healing Church of ''VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}}''. Founded by heretic scholars from [[AcademyOfEvil Byrgenwerth College]] with the secret intent to research ascension to godhood via Old Blood, they spread the blood ministration techniques across Yharnam. Initially, they were successful in helping many people... infecting most of Yharnam with Old Blood, which served as the perfect vector for the Beast Scourge. Knowing full well it was their own fault, the Church organized massive witch hunts and openly encouraged the TorchesAndPitchforks approach, which only helped the infection spread further. Hiding their experiments and the fact the worst monsters were actually their own clerics, the Church kept on trying even as it fractured into the Choir and the School of Mensis and everything around them sank into a nightmare realm. The low-level initiates do have many decent people, but at heart the Church was basically a fraud to use Yharnam's citizenry as guinea pigs.
14th May '16 8:50:00 AM Materioptikon
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* The Cathedral of the Deep in ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII'' is one of the vilest institutions in the franchise's history. Led by [[SinisterMinister Pontiff Sulyvahn]], they desecrated the City of the Gods and turned it into their HQ. They worship Aldrich, the so-called Saint of the Deep, who in life was a depraved cannibal and after being forced to Link the Fire was turned into a god-eating BlobMonster. Sulyvahn, who's basically a cult leader, specializes in two particularly evil forms of magic: Chaos Pyromancies and Dark Sorceries. The "Age of Deep" they so eagerly await is all but implied to be the Age of Dark. He's fond of pressing his rivals and potential challengers into his Outrider Knights, exiling them from Irithyll (giving them the illusion they'll be allowed to return) while fitting them with [[ArtifactOfDoom madness-inducing rings]].
* The Healing Church of ''VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}}''. Founded by heretic scholars from [[AcademyOfEvil Byrgenwerth College]] with the secret intent on ascension to godhood via Old Blood, they spread the blood ministration techniques across Yharnam. Initially, they were successful in helping many people... infecting most of Yharnam with Old Blood, which served as the perfect vector for the Beast Scourge. Knowing full well it was their own fault, the Church organized massive witch hunts and openly encouraged the TorchesAndPitchforks approach, which only helped the infection spread further. Hiding their experiments and the fact the worst monsters were actually their own clerics, the Church kept on trying even as it fractured into the Choir and the School of Mensis and everything around them sank into a nightmare realm.

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* The Cathedral of the Deep in ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII'' is one of the vilest institutions in the franchise's history. Led by [[SinisterMinister Pontiff Sulyvahn]], they desecrated the City of the Gods and turned it into their HQ. They worship Aldrich, the so-called Saint of the Deep, who in life was a depraved cannibal and after being forced to Link the Fire was turned into a god-eating BlobMonster. Sulyvahn, who's basically a cult leader, specializes in two particularly evil forms of magic: Chaos Pyromancies and Dark Sorceries. The "Age of Deep" they so eagerly await is all but implied to be the Age of Dark. He's fond of pressing his rivals and potential challengers into his Outrider Knights, exiling them from Irithyll (giving them the illusion they'll be allowed to return) while fitting them with [[ArtifactOfDoom madness-inducing rings]].
rings]]. The "Age of Deep" they so eagerly await is all but implied to be the Age of Dark.
* The Healing Church of ''VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}}''. Founded by heretic scholars from [[AcademyOfEvil Byrgenwerth College]] with the secret intent on to research ascension to godhood via Old Blood, they spread the blood ministration techniques across Yharnam. Initially, they were successful in helping many people... infecting most of Yharnam with Old Blood, which served as the perfect vector for the Beast Scourge. Knowing full well it was their own fault, the Church organized massive witch hunts and openly encouraged the TorchesAndPitchforks approach, which only helped the infection spread further. Hiding their experiments and the fact the worst monsters were actually their own clerics, the Church kept on trying even as it fractured into the Choir and the School of Mensis and everything around them sank into a nightmare realm.
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