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9th Jul '17 8:47:24 AM Carliro
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** In Amonkhet the [[NefariousPharoah God-Pharaoh]] is worshipped higher than the plane's actual gods, and the entire society is a theocracy built as to establish a role in the afterlife through deadly trials. In truth, the God-Pharaoh is [[SatanicArchetype Nicol Bolas]], an evil planeswalker who just wants a supply of zombies. Anyone who finds out is [[AndIMustScream locked in sarcophagi]] and thrown into the desert.

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** In Amonkhet the [[NefariousPharoah [[NephariousPharaoh God-Pharaoh]] is worshipped higher than the plane's actual gods, and the entire society is a theocracy built as to establish a role in the afterlife through deadly trials. In truth, the God-Pharaoh is [[SatanicArchetype Nicol Bolas]], an evil planeswalker who just wants a supply of zombies. Anyone who finds out is [[AndIMustScream locked in sarcophagi]] and thrown into the desert.
9th Jul '17 8:45:57 AM Carliro
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* In ''Literature/TheKaturranOdyssey'' the island of Kattakuk's lemurs are run by a theocracy, with their aye-aye priests claiming to stand in for the Fossah and demanding what little offerings of food can be made during a famine, under the threat of divine punishment. They eat them themselves, of course. Uncovering their deceit is what kicks the plot, with the Fossha's ChosenOne being banished for finding the truth.


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** The Church of Tal and its condemnation of magic and spellcasting were revealed to be a sham, with the "divine miracles" performed by its clergy actually being WhiteMagic spells. A non-too-subtle jab against the evangelical groups decrying ''Magic'' as satanic in the 90's.
** In Amonkhet the [[NefariousPharoah God-Pharaoh]] is worshipped higher than the plane's actual gods, and the entire society is a theocracy built as to establish a role in the afterlife through deadly trials. In truth, the God-Pharaoh is [[SatanicArchetype Nicol Bolas]], an evil planeswalker who just wants a supply of zombies. Anyone who finds out is [[AndIMustScream locked in sarcophagi]] and thrown into the desert.
8th Jul '17 10:17:33 AM otemple700
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* ''WesternAnimation/[[Castlevania}}: It'd be easier to list the amount of times the Church ''didn't'' fuck up in a colossal way or pin the blame on the wrong people just for being different [[spoiler: which is exactly ''once'' when Trevor commissions a local priest to consecrate some holy water during the nightly demon raid]]. It also didn't help their reputation with the fact that the Catholic Church in Wallachia was ''directly'' responsible for Dracula putting a death sentence on the human race when they burned Lisa at the stake for being a witch. [[spoiler: Even ''Pazuzu'' calls out just how corrupt and self-righteous the Church has become, claiming that their actions makes God puke before biting the Bishop's head off.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/[[Castlevania}}: ''WesternAnimation/{{Castlevania}}'': It'd be easier to list the amount of times the Church ''didn't'' fuck up in a colossal way or pin the blame on the wrong people just for being different [[spoiler: which is exactly ''once'' when Trevor commissions a local priest to consecrate some holy water during the nightly demon raid]]. It also didn't help their reputation with the fact that the Catholic Church in Wallachia was ''directly'' responsible for Dracula putting a death sentence on the human race when they burned Lisa at the stake for being a witch. [[spoiler: Even ''Pazuzu'' calls out just how corrupt and self-righteous the Church has become, claiming that their actions makes God puke before biting the Bishop's head off.]]
8th Jul '17 10:17:00 AM otemple700
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* ''WesternAnimation/[[Castlevania}}: It'd be easier to list the amount of times the Church ''didn't'' fuck up in a colossal way or pin the blame on the wrong people just for being different [[spoiler: which is exactly ''once'' when Trevor commissions a local priest to consecrate some holy water during the nightly demon raid]]. It also didn't help their reputation with the fact that the Catholic Church in Wallachia was ''directly'' responsible for Dracula putting a death sentence on the human race when they burned Lisa at the stake for being a witch. [[spoiler: Even ''Pazuzu'' calls out just how corrupt and self-righteous the Church has become, claiming that their actions makes God puke before biting the Bishop's head off.]]
25th Jun '17 7:32:57 AM mlsmithca
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* If and how this applies to The Imperium of Man's Ecclesiarchy (and to a lesser extent the Cult Mechanicus) in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' is [[YourMileageMayVary a contentious issue]] both in and out of universe:

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* If and how this applies to The Imperium of Man's Ecclesiarchy (and to a lesser extent the Cult Mechanicus) in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' is [[YourMileageMayVary a contentious issue]] issue both in and out of universe:
25th Jun '17 7:17:51 AM MicoolTNT
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* At first glance, The Imperium of Man's Ecclesiarchy (and to a lesser extent the Cult Mechanicus) in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' appear to be this, seemingly being massively corrupt and choking morasses that between them keep the Imperium in a state of technological stasis and ignorance. From today's perspective, they initially appear to ruthlessly suppress atheists, agnostics, and other modes of religious or scientific thought through a space [[StateSec Inquisition]], either for their own gain or simple ignorance. However, this is not necessarily the case. As has been shown again and again, free thinking and religious tolerance, and anything other than rampant xenophobia can (and [[NarrativeAgentHypothesis according to the Imperium's internal and external materials]] inevitably WILL) lead to a horrible, horrible fate involving gates to hell opening up as mad cultists dance in the gore stained entrails of human sacrifice, and/or alien horrors slaughtering humans or enslaving them ''at best''. However, even with all of that in mind, some elements of the Ecclesiarchy (and possibly the Mechanicus) ''are'' corrupt in the more conventional sense. Excessive tithes are just the beginning (although some of the more excessive ones may occur because of the colossal ''size'' of the Administratum meaning that individual planets' circumstances often aren't appropriately taken into account), along with some of the stuff real-life clergymen have been accused of indulging in, despite their vows and planet's laws.

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* If and how this applies to The Imperium of Man's Ecclesiarchy (and to a lesser extent the Cult Mechanicus) in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' is [[YourMileageMayVary a contentious issue]] both in and out of universe:
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At first glance, The Imperium of Man's Ecclesiarchy (and to a lesser extent the Cult Mechanicus) in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' appear to be this, seemingly being massively corrupt and choking morasses that between them keep the Imperium in a state of technological stasis and ignorance. From today's perspective, they initially appear to ruthlessly suppress atheists, agnostics, and other modes of religious or scientific thought through a space [[StateSec Inquisition]], either for their own gain or simple ignorance.
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However, this is not necessarily the case. As has been shown again and again, free thinking and religious tolerance, and anything other than rampant xenophobia can (and [[NarrativeAgentHypothesis [[LiteraryAgentHypothesis according to the Imperium's internal and external materials]] inevitably WILL) lead to a horrible, horrible fate involving gates to hell opening up as mad cultists dance in the gore stained entrails of human sacrifice, and/or alien horrors slaughtering humans or enslaving them ''at best''. However, even best'', courtesy of the CrapsackWorld's [[GodOfEvil Chaos Gods]] and ruthless, merciless alien factions.
** Even
with all of that in mind, some elements of the Ecclesiarchy (and possibly the Mechanicus) ''are'' corrupt in the more conventional sense. Excessive tithes are just the beginning (although some [[note]] although the needs of the often-genuinely-necessary Imperial war machine ''are'' colossal, and ''some'' of the more excessive ones may occur because of the colossal ''size'' of the Administratum meaning Imperium means that individual planets' circumstances often aren't appropriately taken into account), account[[/note]], along with some of the stuff real-life clergymen have been accused of indulging in, despite their vows and planet's laws.
25th Jun '17 4:11:55 AM MicoolTNT
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* At first glance, The Imperium of Man's Ecclesiarchy and to a lesser extent the Cult Mechanicus in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' are massively corrupt and choking morasses that between them keep the Imperium in a state of technological stasis and ignorance and ruthlessly suppress atheists, agnostics, or other modes of religious or scientific thought through a space [[StateSec Inquisition]] for their own gain or simple ignorance. This is not the case. As has been shown again and again, free thinking, religious tolerance, and anything other than rampant xenophobia WILL lead to a horrible, horrible fate involving gates to hell opening up as mad cultists dance in the gore stained entrails of human sacrifice, and/or alien horrors slaughtering humans or enslaving them ''at best''. However, even with all of that in mind, some elements of the Ecclesiarchy (and possibly the Mechanicus) are corrupt in the more conventional sense. Excessive tithes are just the beginning, along with some of the stuff real-life clergymen have been accused of indulging in, despite their vows and planet's laws, exemplified by Goge Vandire and his Age of Apostasy which was so bad it caused the second biggest civil war the Imperium had ever seen.

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* At first glance, The Imperium of Man's Ecclesiarchy and (and to a lesser extent the Cult Mechanicus Mechanicus) in ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' are appear to be this, seemingly being massively corrupt and choking morasses that between them keep the Imperium in a state of technological stasis and ignorance and ignorance. From today's perspective, they initially appear to ruthlessly suppress atheists, agnostics, or and other modes of religious or scientific thought through a space [[StateSec Inquisition]] Inquisition]], either for their own gain or simple ignorance. This However, this is not necessarily the case. As has been shown again and again, free thinking, thinking and religious tolerance, and anything other than rampant xenophobia WILL can (and [[NarrativeAgentHypothesis according to the Imperium's internal and external materials]] inevitably WILL) lead to a horrible, horrible fate involving gates to hell opening up as mad cultists dance in the gore stained entrails of human sacrifice, and/or alien horrors slaughtering humans or enslaving them ''at best''. However, even with all of that in mind, some elements of the Ecclesiarchy (and possibly the Mechanicus) are ''are'' corrupt in the more conventional sense. Excessive tithes are just the beginning, beginning (although some of the more excessive ones may occur because of the colossal ''size'' of the Administratum meaning that individual planets' circumstances often aren't appropriately taken into account), along with some of the stuff real-life clergymen have been accused of indulging in, despite their vows and planet's laws, laws.
** Ambiguity of the general setting aside, this trope is very much
exemplified by Goge Vandire and his Age of Apostasy Apostasy, which was so bad it caused the second biggest civil war the Imperium had ever seen.
23rd Jun '17 6:01:49 AM KenMoreau
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* ''Creator/HBeamPiper'''s ''Literature/LordKalvanofOtherwhen'' has the church of Styphon, which controls the manufacture and distribution of gunpowder. The head priest focuses on the political nature of the church, and privately muses that he doesn't believe in any of the rituals or tenets of the church, because if he did he wouldn't be head priest.
20th Jun '17 11:51:54 AM erforce
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* ''Literature/ElmerGantry''

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* ''Literature/ElmerGantry''%%* ''Film/ElmerGantry''



* Lord Summerisle and the neo-pagan islanders from ''Film/TheWickerMan''.

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* Lord Summerisle and the neo-pagan islanders from ''Film/TheWickerMan''.''Film/TheWickerMan1973''.



* ''KingdomOfHeaven'': Nearly every member of the Catholic hierarchy is portrayed as a villain, especially in the theatrical version. However, director's cut features a fairly sympathetic bishop who stated that "Much is done in Christendom of which Christ would be incapable," and reveals that the actions of the priest in France were all against explicit orders.

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* ''KingdomOfHeaven'': ''Film/KingdomOfHeaven'': Nearly every member of the Catholic hierarchy is portrayed as a villain, especially in the theatrical version. However, director's cut features a fairly sympathetic bishop who stated that "Much is done in Christendom of which Christ would be incapable," and reveals that the actions of the priest in France were all against explicit orders.
11th Jun '17 12:41:28 AM Piterpicher
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* The Order in ''Franchise/SilentHill''. Most Order leaders you see in the games are sincere at least, but then there's Father Vincent in ''SilentHill3''. He claims to sincerely believe in the Order's God, but he's also honest about the fact that he's just in it for the power, so much so [[spoiler:he constantly interferes in Claudia's plans to try to bring about a global paradise by incarnating God on Earth, just so the status quo won't change.]]

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* The Order in ''Franchise/SilentHill''. Most Order leaders you see in the games are sincere at least, but then there's Father Vincent in ''SilentHill3''.''VideoGame/SilentHill3''. He claims to sincerely believe in the Order's God, but he's also honest about the fact that he's just in it for the power, so much so [[spoiler:he constantly interferes in Claudia's plans to try to bring about a global paradise by incarnating God on Earth, just so the status quo won't change.]]
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