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17th Jan '17 12:38:23 PM PKMN37
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* The Film/Sharknado films have been well-known for giving the middle finger to the laws of physics. A rather amusing example is when one of the sharknados becomes a Nukenado. The heroes go to fight it and, naturally, aren't cooked from the inside.

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* The Film/Sharknado {{Film/Sharknado}} films have been well-known for giving the middle finger to the laws of physics. A rather amusing example is in Film/SharknadoThe4thAwakens, when one of the sharknados becomes a Nukenado. The heroes go to fight it and, naturally, aren't cooked from the inside.
17th Jan '17 12:32:59 PM PKMN37
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* The Film/Sharknado films have been well-known for giving the middle finger to the laws of physics. A rather amusing example is when one of the sharknados becomes a Nukenado. The heroes go to fight it and, naturally, aren't cooked from the inside.
7th Jan '17 5:54:58 PM merotoker
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[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convection Convection,]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convective_heat_transfer the process by which a liquid or gas (like air) forms currents that very quickly spread heat from a hot thing to its environment,]] does not exist in TV land. [[WordSchmord Convection, schmonvection]] -- as long as you don't touch the lava, you're okay. Note that this trope covers heat ''radiation'' as well (but [[JustForFun/LousyAlternateTitles Radiation Schmadiation]] would sound like ILoveNuclearPower...), and seeing as large explosions create shockwaves as well as fireballs, this also covers OverpressureWhatOverpressure. TV also ignores the other hazards of volcanoes and lava flows, such as [[DeadlyGas toxic gases]] and [[OminousFog blinding, choking ash]].

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[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convection Convection,]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convective_heat_transfer the process by which a liquid or gas (like air) forms currents that very quickly spread heat from a hot thing to its environment,]] does not exist in TV land. [[WordSchmord Convection, schmonvection]] -- as long as you don't touch the lava, you're okay. Note that this trope covers heat ''radiation'' as well (but [[JustForFun/LousyAlternateTitles Radiation Schmadiation]] would sound like ILoveNuclearPower...), and seeing as large explosions create shockwaves as well as fireballs, this also covers OverpressureWhatOverpressure.Overpressure? What Overpressure?. TV also ignores the other hazards of volcanoes and lava flows, such as [[DeadlyGas toxic gases]] and [[OminousFog blinding, choking ash]].



* In ''ComicBook/SecretWars'', when the Torch uses his "nova flame" to take out Ultron, it burns so hot that it melts clean through the surrounding solid-metal walls and floor. When the smoke clears, Captain America, who was standing a few yards away and protected only by huddling his upper body behind his shield, is perfectly unharmed. Apparently, his body's melting point is a lot higher than that of whatever alien metal was used to build Doombase. His shield absorbs kinetic energy, not heat.
* In ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'' ''[[Comicbook/{{Supergirl 1982}} Volume 2]]'' issue #1, the titular heroine shields two persons from a shower of molten steel. Her indestructible cape blocks the cascade of metal but it should not protect them from the intense heat.

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* In ''ComicBook/SecretWars'', when the Torch uses his "nova flame" to take out Ultron, ComicBook/{{Ultron}}, it burns so hot that it melts clean through the surrounding solid-metal walls and floor. When the smoke clears, Captain America, who was standing a few yards away and protected only by huddling his upper body behind his shield, is perfectly unharmed. Apparently, his body's melting point is a lot higher than that of whatever alien metal was used to build Doombase. His shield absorbs kinetic energy, not heat.
* In ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'' ''[[Comicbook/{{Supergirl 1982}} Volume 2]]'' issue #1, the titular heroine shields two persons people from a shower of molten steel. Her indestructible cape blocks the cascade of metal but it should not protect them from the intense heat.



* In a Punisher / ComicBook/CaptainAmerica crossover, a mook tries to invoke this (and is kind enough to explain it as he does so): if firing a bazooka at the shield causes it to bounce off, shooting it so it explodes short of the shield will let the heat (which will go around) do the work.
* Subverted in one issue of ''ComicBook/{{X Force}}'', where Wolverine's female clone, ComicBook/{{X 23}} was above a vat of molten metal, and falls. The next time we see her, all her hair has burned away and she has third-degree burns all over. Her shirt was burned away too, making Elixir give her his. Turned out she bounced off the side of the vat to the ground, but the brief exposure to the heat was still enough to harm her. She has a HealingFactor so she got better.
* {{Lampshaded}} in an issue of DC's ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'':

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* In a Punisher [[ComicBook/ThePunisher Punisher]] / ComicBook/CaptainAmerica crossover, a mook tries to invoke this (and is kind enough to explain it as he does so): if firing a bazooka at the shield causes it to bounce off, shooting it so it explodes short of the shield will let the heat (which will go around) do the work.
* Subverted in one issue of ''ComicBook/{{X Force}}'', ''ComicBook/XForce'', where Wolverine's female clone, ComicBook/{{X 23}} was above a vat of molten metal, and falls. The next time we see her, all her hair has burned away and she has third-degree burns all over. Her shirt was burned away too, making Elixir give her his. Turned out she bounced off the side of the vat to the ground, but the brief exposure to the heat was still enough to harm her. She has a HealingFactor so she got better.
* {{Lampshaded}} {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in an issue of DC's ''ComicBook/YoungJustice'':



** Somewhat confusing in ''Star Wars Episode III: Film/RevengeOfTheSith''. The climactic fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin takes place above a lake of molten lava. They spend most of the fight floating above the lava on platforms with no ill effect from the heat. But then Anakin suffers horrible burns when not touching the lava later. According [[WordOfGod to Lucas]], the symbolic importance of the [[BattleAmongstTheFlames fight's]] [[FireAndBrimstoneHell lake-of-fire]] venue [[RuleOfSymbolism trumped any desire for natural plausibility]]. That aside, it has been suggested for example that the two Jedi were [[AWizardDidIt using the Force]] to shield themselves, and Anakin's concentration simply broke when he was dismembered. However, a fairly obvious explanation exists and seems to be clearly implied by the movie itself. We see a bit earlier that the "arms" of the lava mining platform have a force field shielding it, and once it's accidentally undone, it starts to rapidly disintegrate. The smaller platforms used later have the same kind of blue glow underneath them. In conclusion, this is most likely an {{aversion}}, though one using [[HandWave some kind of very handy unexplained technology]].

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** Somewhat confusing in ''Star Wars Episode III: Film/RevengeOfTheSith''. The climactic fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin takes place above a lake of molten lava. They spend most of the fight floating above the lava on platforms with no ill effect from the heat. But then Anakin suffers horrible burns when not touching the lava later. According [[WordOfGod to Lucas]], the symbolic importance of the [[BattleAmongstTheFlames fight's]] [[FireAndBrimstoneHell lake-of-fire]] venue [[RuleOfSymbolism trumped any desire for natural plausibility]]. That aside, it has been suggested for example that the two Jedi were [[AWizardDidIt using the Force]] to shield themselves, and Anakin's concentration simply broke when he was dismembered. However, a fairly obvious explanation exists and seems to be clearly implied by the movie itself. We see a bit earlier that the "arms" of the lava mining platform have a force field shielding it, and once it's accidentally undone, it starts to rapidly disintegrate. The smaller platforms used later have the same kind of blue glow underneath them. In conclusion, this is most likely an {{aversion}}, {{aver|tedTrope}}sion, though one using [[HandWave some kind of very handy unexplained technology]].



* It's also present in ''Film/TheHobbitTheDesolationOfSmaug''. In a scene that was not in the book, Thorin and the Company attempt to kill Smaug by flooding him with liquid gold from a Dwarven furnace (it doesn't work). There is a chase sequence where Thorin and Bilbo lay down on metal shields to [[{{LavaSurfing}} surf the river of molten gold]] that erupts from the furnace, with no ill effects whatsoever. Never mind that they should have been fried almost instantly --laying metal down over a source of heat ''is how skillets and frying pans work''. Plus, there are several times when the heroes take cover in some way from Smaug's fire breath, and are completely OK being mere feet (or even inches) away from a massive inferno.

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* It's also present in ''Film/TheHobbitTheDesolationOfSmaug''. In a scene that was not in the book, Thorin and the Company attempt to kill Smaug by flooding him with liquid gold from a Dwarven furnace (it doesn't work). There is a chase sequence where Thorin and Bilbo lay down on metal shields to [[{{LavaSurfing}} [[LavaSurfing surf the river of molten gold]] that erupts from the furnace, with no ill effects whatsoever. Never mind that they should have been fried almost instantly --laying metal down over a source of heat ''is how skillets and frying pans work''. Plus, there are several times when the heroes take cover in some way from Smaug's fire breath, and are completely OK being mere feet (or even inches) away from a massive inferno.



* In the movie ''Film/DangerDiabolik'', most famous for being the subject of the final episode of ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'', the eponymous character dons a protective suit near the end to keep him safe as he melts down a large bar of gold. He claims that in such a suit he could swim through the sun (though he doesn't say so, he presumably means he could survive the ordeal as well). While this itself is fairly stupid, one has to take notice that there is a noticeable gap between the bottom of the visor and his helmet, as if he didn't shut it properly. Although this does not appear to present a problem when he is later sprayed with molten gold and survives.

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* In the movie ''Film/DangerDiabolik'', most famous for being the subject of the final episode of ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'', the eponymous character dons a protective suit near the end to keep him safe as he melts down a large bar of gold. He claims that in such a suit he could swim through the sun (though he doesn't say so, he presumably means he could survive the ordeal as well). While this itself is fairly stupid, one has to take notice that there is a noticeable gap between the bottom of the visor and his helmet, as if he didn't shut it properly. Although this does not appear to present a problem when he is later sprayed with molten gold and survives.



* The infamous Sci-Fi Channel Original Movie ''Raptor Island'' features a scene where the female lead runs across a tree over a river of lava.

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* The infamous Sci-Fi Channel Original Movie SyFyChannelOriginalMovie ''Raptor Island'' features a scene where the female lead runs across a tree over a river of lava.



* The entire ending of ''Film/{{Congo}}''.

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* %%* The entire ending of ''Film/{{Congo}}''.



* ''Film/PacificRim'': On Striker Eureka's blueprints there's mention of the "Sting-Blades" channeling thermal energy, but it's unknown if it's this or outright case of KillItWithFire. This is averted in the FinalBattle, where [[spoiler:Gipsy Danger shoves a {{Kaiju}}'s head into a volcanic vent and roasts its face in an attempt to kill it.]]

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* ''Film/PacificRim'': On Striker Eureka's blueprints there's mention of the "Sting-Blades" channeling thermal energy, but it's unknown if it's this or outright case of KillItWithFire. This is averted in the FinalBattle, where [[spoiler:Gipsy Danger shoves a {{Kaiju}}'s head into a volcanic vent and roasts its face in an attempt to kill it.]]it]].



* Averted in ''Film/SkyHigh''-when crawling through a dark AirVentPassageway, someone suggests that [[PlayingWithFire Warren]] use his powers to light the way. He doesn't, because the heat would fry them.

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* Averted in ''Film/SkyHigh''-when ''Film/{{Sky High|2005}}''-when crawling through a dark AirVentPassageway, someone suggests that [[PlayingWithFire Warren]] use his powers to light the way. He doesn't, because the heat would fry them.



* ''Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents'': Well, technically "Radiation Schmadiation." In the FilmOfTheBook, Klaus uses Olaf's sunlight-refracting weapon to incinerate the wedding contract. The instant the sunlight hits the paper, it catches on fire. That means the thing was heated to about 400 degrees Farenheit just like that. Never mind the fact that Klaus perfectly lined up the device to hit such a small target, how come Olaf's hand didn't get singed? Or, you know, the stage didn't catch fire? There should at least have been smoke, considering how easily the paper went up.

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* ''Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents'': Well, technically "Radiation Schmadiation." In the FilmOfTheBook, TheFilmOfTheBook, Klaus uses Olaf's sunlight-refracting weapon to incinerate the wedding contract. The instant the sunlight hits the paper, it catches on fire. That means the thing was heated to about 400 degrees Farenheit just like that. Never mind the fact that Klaus perfectly lined up the device to hit such a small target, how come Olaf's hand didn't get singed? Or, you know, the stage didn't catch fire? There should at least have been smoke, considering how easily the paper went up.



* In the ''Literature/StarTrekTheNextGenerationRelaunch'' novel ''Q&A'', the away team find themselves maneuvering through a lava field by jumping from rock to rock. Science officer Kadohata [[LampshadeHanging points out]] that the heat should be affecting them even if they don't touch the lava, but stops once security officer Leybenzon asks her if she's complaining that things should be more difficult. (The planet was created by SufficientlyAdvancedAliens, and works however they want it to.)

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* In the ''Literature/StarTrekTheNextGenerationRelaunch'' novel ''Q&A'', the away team find themselves maneuvering through a lava field by jumping from rock to rock. Science officer Kadohata [[LampshadeHanging points out]] that the heat should be affecting them even if they don't touch the lava, but stops once security officer Leybenzon asks her if she's complaining that things should be more difficult. (The planet was created by SufficientlyAdvancedAliens, {{Sufficiently Advanced Alien}}s, and works however they want it to.)



* Definitely [[AvertedTrope Averted]] in Literature/TheQuestOfTheUnaligned. During a battle against several hundred fire-spiders, they [[BattleAmongstTheFlames coat the cave walls in burning web]] and nearly cook the heroes alive before Laeshana puts out the flames.

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* Definitely [[AvertedTrope Averted]] {{averted|Trope}} in Literature/TheQuestOfTheUnaligned.''Literature/TheQuestOfTheUnaligned''. During a battle against several hundred fire-spiders, they [[BattleAmongstTheFlames coat the cave walls in burning web]] and nearly cook the heroes alive before Laeshana puts out the flames.



* ''TopGear'' decided to see how close a car can get to an active Volcano. [[http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-gear-season-15-episode-1-hq_2038995.htm Observe here]], skip to 11:00.

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* ''TopGear'' ''Series/TopGear'' decided to see how close a car can get to an active Volcano. [[http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-gear-season-15-episode-1-hq_2038995.htm Observe here]], skip to 11:00.



** Later on, Dave and Rose wind up [[spoiler: walking out of a sun. Fortunately, the two are immortal, although given that the Felt, Ms. Paint, and Spades Slick also were able to survive being inside the Green Sun for an extended period of time, it's safe to say that the Green Sun doesn't behave like any star we know of.]]

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** Later on, Dave and Rose wind up [[spoiler: walking out of a sun. Fortunately, the two are immortal, although given that the Felt, Ms. Paint, and Spades Slick also were able to survive being inside the Green Sun for an extended period of time, it's safe to say that the Green Sun doesn't behave like any star we know of.]]of]].



* [[http://wayofthemetagamer.thecomicseries.com/comics/pl/34423 Lampshaded in]] ''TheWayOfTheMetagamer''.
* {{Averted|Trope}} and {{lampshade|Hanging}}d in the WhateleyUniverse. Team Kimba is in a holographic simulation of an evil lair inside a volcanic mountain, complete with a huge gap across molten lava to get to the BigBad. TheSmartGuy points out that even the toughest supers on the team wouldn't survive flying above the magma, and snarks that it isn't some stupid video game. But they have other resources.

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* [[http://wayofthemetagamer.thecomicseries.com/comics/pl/34423 Lampshaded in]] ''TheWayOfTheMetagamer''.
''WebComic/TheWayOfTheMetagamer''.
* {{Averted|Trope}} and {{lampshade|Hanging}}d in the WhateleyUniverse.Literature/WhateleyUniverse. Team Kimba is in a holographic simulation of an evil lair inside a volcanic mountain, complete with a huge gap across molten lava to get to the BigBad. TheSmartGuy points out that even the toughest supers on the team wouldn't survive flying above the magma, and snarks that it isn't some stupid video game. But they have other resources.



* {{Exaggerated}} and parodied in a ''WebSite/SomethingAwful'' parody of bad science in movies like ''Film/TheCore''... where the characters travel to the Sun and walk on its surface thanks to some vague HandWave AppliedPhlebotinum.

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* {{Exaggerated}} {{Exaggerated|Trope}} and parodied in a ''WebSite/SomethingAwful'' parody of bad science in movies like ''Film/TheCore''... where the characters travel to the Sun and walk on its surface thanks to some vague HandWave AppliedPhlebotinum.
29th Dec '16 6:30:54 PM lamerc
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[[LavaAddsAwesome As awesome as lava is,]] most TV writers and video game developers forget that "really hot" part. The hero is making his way through the LethalLavaLand, but wait! There are floating rocks, he can make it across to the other side! Except in the real world, the heat coming off of the lava would have cooked him already.[[note]] And if the lava is fresh enough, it's also releasing all sorts of interesting gases that do the human body no good to breathe, but that's wandering a bit from the subject.[[/note]] Put your hand above an open flame and you have an idea of how hot that room, cave, or EternalEngine ''should'' be. While it's possible for the outer layer of lava to cool, forming an insulating shell where the inner layer flows but people can get close to it relatively safely as long as they don't touch it, this is never seen in fiction where red-hot lava flows [[LavaIsBoilingKoolAid as free and exposed as river water]].

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[[LavaAddsAwesome As awesome as lava is,]] most TV writers and video game developers forget that "really hot" part. The hero is making his way through the LethalLavaLand, but wait! There are floating rocks, he can make it across to the other side! Except in the real world, the heat coming off of the lava would have cooked him already.[[note]] And if the lava is fresh enough, it's also releasing all sorts of interesting gases that do the human body no good to breathe, but that's wandering a bit from the subject.[[/note]] Put your hand above an open flame and you have an idea of how hot that room, cave, or EternalEngine ''should'' be. While it's possible for the outer layer of lava to cool, forming an insulating shell where the inner layer still flows but people can get close to it relatively safely as long as they don't touch it, this is never seen in fiction where red-hot lava flows [[LavaIsBoilingKoolAid as free and exposed as river water]].
23rd Dec '16 2:53:59 PM Storygirl000
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* Averted in ''Film/SkyHigh''-when crawling through a dark AirVentPassageway, someone suggests that [[PlayingWithFire Warren]] use his powers to light the way. He doesn't, because the heat would fry them.
14th Dec '16 3:11:52 AM Tron80
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* In an issue of Franchise/{{Superman}} story ''Comicbook/KryptoniteNevermore'' Superman flies over a volcano. It makes sense that he is not affected because he is invulnerable. However in issue #238 a group of criminals use a magma-hose. The nozzle is specially tempered but they are still too near from the stuff.
12th Dec '16 11:34:26 AM Tron80
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* In ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'' ''[[Comicbook/{{Supergirl 1982}} Volume 2]]'' issue #1, the titular heroine shields two persons from a shower of molten steel. Her indestructible cape blocks the cascade of metal but it should not protect them from the intense heat.
3rd Dec '16 7:48:23 PM TedlyAnderson
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* Subverted in the ''Film/SilentHill'' movie -- a character dies from heat exposure while hanging above an open flame, and is later shown as a burned corpse.

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* Subverted realistically in the ''Film/SilentHill'' movie -- a character dies from heat exposure while hanging above an open flame, and is later shown as a burned corpse.corpse, even though she is never actually lowered into the flame itself.
2nd Dec '16 5:48:47 PM jeez
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* ConvectionSchmonvection: Averted in ''Fanfic/ChrysalisVisitsTheHague'' when Chrysalis recounts to her lawyer her (supposed) experience of [[spoiler:Princess Celestia trying to execute her and her army by shoving them into]] a live volcano.

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* ConvectionSchmonvection: Averted in ''Fanfic/ChrysalisVisitsTheHague'' when Chrysalis recounts to her lawyer her (supposed) experience of [[spoiler:Princess Celestia trying to execute her and her army by shoving them into]] a live volcano.
2nd Dec '16 5:47:58 PM jeez
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* ConvectionSchmonvection: Averted in ''Fanfic/ChrysalisVisitsTheHague'' when Chrysalis recounts to her lawyer her (supposed) experience of [[Princess Celestia trying to execute her by shoving her and her army into]] a live volcano.

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* ConvectionSchmonvection: Averted in ''Fanfic/ChrysalisVisitsTheHague'' when Chrysalis recounts to her lawyer her (supposed) experience of [[Princess [[spoiler:Princess Celestia trying to execute her by shoving her and her army by shoving them into]] a live volcano.
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