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4th Nov '17 9:29:24 PM jormis29
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* The climax of ''Disney/TheJungleBook 2'' apparently takes place inside an old temple that's for some reason built inside a volcanic pit. Mowgli, Shanti, Ranjan, Baloo, and Bagheera actually lure Shere Khan inside the temple, where they attempt to distract the tiger by hitting gongs, but when that doesn't work, they simply throw Khan into a pool of lava. Khan survives the fall, thanks to a rocky ledge overhanging the lava, but is immediately trapped inside a giant stone tiger head that also fell inside the pool of lava. As soon as the heroes leave the volcanic temple, [[FridgeHorror the vultures arrive...]]

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* The climax of ''Disney/TheJungleBook 2'' ''Disney/TheJungleBook2'' apparently takes place inside an old temple that's for some reason built inside a volcanic pit. Mowgli, Shanti, Ranjan, Baloo, and Bagheera actually lure Shere Khan inside the temple, where they attempt to distract the tiger by hitting gongs, but when that doesn't work, they simply throw Khan into a pool of lava. Khan survives the fall, thanks to a rocky ledge overhanging the lava, but is immediately trapped inside a giant stone tiger head that also fell inside the pool of lava. As soon as the heroes leave the volcanic temple, [[FridgeHorror the vultures arrive...]]
10th Oct '17 8:15:51 PM Yendor
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* The ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' series finale includes a scene where [[TheOmnipotent Q]] takes Picard back to primeval Earth. There are flaming pools of lava all around them, but Picard doesn't even seem to sweat. Then again, this is [[RealityWarper Q]]; any episode he's in is bound to violate the laws of physics at least a few times over. This is supposedly the time and place where ''life on Earth'' first evolved.

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* The ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' series finale includes a scene where [[TheOmnipotent Q]] takes Picard back to primeval Earth. There are flaming pools of lava all around them, but Picard doesn't even seem to sweat. Then again, this is [[RealityWarper Q]]; any episode he's in is bound to violate the laws of physics at least a few times over. This is supposedly the time and place where ''life on Earth'' first evolved. There shouldn't even be oxygen.
6th Oct '17 9:34:46 PM FranksGirl
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* ''Series/HardyBoysNancyDrewMysteries'' abused this ''twice'':
** "Mystery of the Flickering Torch" has the Hardys trapped inside a small closet while a fire rages outside; they break out and dodge through the flames to the outside without even a singe to their clothing.
** "Arson & Old Lace" has the Hardys and Nancy Drew all trying to escape a burning office building. To be fair, Joe nearly gets blown to bits when he almost opens a door that has smoke pouring from under it (Frank knocks him out of the way), but then both Hardys are shown entering rooms with raging flames to rescue people, with no ill effects beyond a bit of smudge and coughing. Frank & Nancy even climb a smoke-filled elevator shaft!

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* ''Series/HardyBoysNancyDrewMysteries'' abused this ''twice'':
''Series/HardyBoysNancyDrewMysteries'':
** "Mystery of the Flickering Torch" has the Hardys Frank and Joe trapped inside a small closet while a fire rages outside; they outside. They break out and dodge dive through the flames to the outside without breaking a sweat or even a singe to their clothing.
clothing. They don't even sweat when they're inside that tiny closet, with the flames raging on the other side!
** "Arson & Old Lace" has the Hardys Frank, Joe, and Nancy Drew all trying to escape a burning office building. To be fair, Joe nearly gets blown to bits when he almost opens a door that has smoke pouring from under it (Frank knocks him out of the way), but then both Both Hardys are shown entering rooms with raging flames to rescue people, with no burns, sweat, or other ill effects beyond a bit of smudge and coughing. On top of that, Frank Hardy & Nancy even Drew use an ''elevator shaft'' to climb a smoke-filled elevator shaft!to the roof & escape the fire. The room they're in is full of smoke, the shaft is shown to have flames on the floors below, yet neither Frank nor Nancy have any issues breathing nor do they cook alive while climbing this smoking-hot chimney of an elevator.
3rd Oct '17 10:01:46 AM Prometheus117
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** Only Matoran of fire, who have a greater heat resistance, do it for sport. Other characters surf on lava only if needed to escape. It was also mentioned that Toa of fire could survive a few seconds in lava. No-one thinks that it is stupid to surf for sport on a liquid which kill you if you fall.
** Played very straight in the movie ''Mask of Light'', wherein Takua (''not'' a Fire Matoran) fishes the eponymous mask out of a lava flow with his bare hands, and only feels the hotness after holding it in his hand for a moment. Then, he hops onto his comically frail lava surf board... on all fours, with his fingers clinging onto its sides (hanging into the lava), but suffers no ill effects.
** To be completely fair, all the above examples are molten [[{{Phlebtonium}} protodermis]] and not actual magma. The fact that the characters themselves are made of protodermis might actually make this worse, though...

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** Only Matoran of fire, who have a greater heat resistance, do it for sport. Other characters surf on lava only if needed to escape. It was also mentioned that Toa of fire could survive a few seconds in lava.''in'' lava, though it most certainly wouldn't be a pleasant experience. No-one thinks that it is stupid to surf for sport on a liquid which kill you if you fall.
** Played very straight in the movie ''Mask of Light'', wherein Takua (''not'' a Fire Matoran) Matoran, though everyone including himself thought he was at the time) fishes the eponymous mask out of a lava flow with his bare hands, and only feels the hotness after holding it in his hand for a moment. Then, he hops onto his comically frail lava surf board... surfboard... on all fours, with his fingers clinging onto its sides (hanging into the lava), but suffers no ill effects.
effects. The mask itself plays it straight in that the rock it was contained in when it fell into the lava completely melts, but it itself is completely unaffected (though it's noted it was made to be a lot sturdier than the average mask).
** To be completely fair, all most of the above examples are molten [[{{Phlebtonium}} [[{{Phlebotinum}} protodermis]] and not actual magma. The fact that the characters themselves are made of protodermis might actually make this worse, though...
7th Sep '17 8:09:50 AM NumberFortyFour
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': This applies to both sides of the "ice and fire" theme of the series. Dragonfire works similarly to firebending from ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' below in that characters generally will not experience burns as long as they do not directly touch the flames. [[spoiler: This gets especially ridiculous in the season 7 episode "The Spoils of War," in which Bronn and Jamie avoid the massive column of fire Drogon produces by inches and come out of it unscathed.]] Similarly, the White Walkers are cold enough to instantly extinguish any fire that comes withing a few meters of them and have blades so cold that steel shatters upon contact, yet somehow the characters avoid instant frostbite when in their presence.
4th Sep '17 6:05:01 AM Lamiaaaa
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* Surprisingly averted in the ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' episode "Civil Defense". Sisko and O'Brien had to crawl through a cramped, metal tube surrounded by [[TechnicolorFire green fire]], and they even wrapped their hands in cloth. O'Brien passed out from the heat.
29th Aug '17 7:55:45 AM VVK
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At least this beats the earlier mention (it might have been in one of the old {{novelization}}s of the original trilogy) that Darth Vader ''fell into'' a pit of lava.

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At least this beats the earlier mention (it might have been in one of the old {{novelization}}s of the original trilogy) that Darth Vader he ''fell into'' a pit of lava.
29th Aug '17 7:55:01 AM VVK
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** Somewhat confusing in ''Star Wars Episode III: Film/RevengeOfTheSith''. The climactic fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin takes place above a lake of molten lava. They spend most of the fight floating above the lava on platforms with no ill effect from the heat. But then Anakin suffers horrible burns when not touching the lava later. According [[WordOfGod to Lucas]], the symbolic importance of the [[BattleAmongstTheFlames fight's]] [[FireAndBrimstoneHell lake-of-fire]] venue [[RuleOfSymbolism trumped any desire for natural plausibility]]. That aside, it has been suggested for example that the two Jedi were [[AWizardDidIt using the Force]] to shield themselves, and Anakin's concentration simply broke when he was dismembered. However, a fairly obvious explanation exists and seems to be clearly implied by the movie itself. We see a bit earlier that the "arms" of the lava mining platform have a force field shielding it, and once it's accidentally undone, it starts to rapidly disintegrate. The smaller platforms used later have the same kind of blue glow underneath them. In conclusion, this is most likely an {{aver|tedTrope}}sion, though one using [[HandWave some kind of very handy unexplained technology]].

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** Somewhat confusing in ''Star Wars Episode III: Film/RevengeOfTheSith''. The climactic fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin takes place above a lake of molten lava. They spend most of the fight floating above the lava on platforms with no ill effect from the heat. But then Anakin suffers horrible burns when not touching the lava later. According [[WordOfGod to Lucas]], the symbolic importance of the [[BattleAmongstTheFlames fight's]] [[FireAndBrimstoneHell lake-of-fire]] venue [[RuleOfSymbolism trumped any desire for natural plausibility]]. That aside, it has been suggested for example that the two Jedi were [[AWizardDidIt using the Force]] to shield themselves, and Anakin's concentration simply broke when he was dismembered. However, a fairly obvious explanation exists and seems to be clearly implied by the movie itself. We see a bit earlier that the "arms" of the lava mining platform have a force field shielding it, and once it's accidentally undone, it starts to rapidly disintegrate. The smaller platforms used later have the same kind of blue glow underneath them. In conclusion, this is most likely an {{aver|tedTrope}}sion, though one using [[HandWave some kind of very handy unexplained technology]].\\
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At least this beats the earlier mention (it might have been in one of the old {{novelization}}s of the original trilogy) that Darth Vader ''fell into'' a pit of lava.
17th Aug '17 12:31:03 AM jormis29
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* In ''Film/TheSaint'', a fusion reaction is contained in a '''glass jar'''. ''Stars'' are powered by fusion reactions. Stars in general are not known for their utter lack of heat. Note that was cold fusion, which doesn't actually "work" but that's how you're supposed to do it in real life: Electrodes in a glass jar.

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* In ''Film/TheSaint'', ''Film/TheSaint1997'', a fusion reaction is contained in a '''glass jar'''. ''Stars'' are powered by fusion reactions. Stars in general are not known for their utter lack of heat. Note that was cold fusion, which doesn't actually "work" but that's how you're supposed to do it in real life: Electrodes in a glass jar.
28th Jul '17 4:03:28 PM merotoker
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* Played as straight as possible in a ''Flash Gordon'' parody from Wally Wood's ''[[ComicStrip/SallyForthWood Sally Forth]]''. The heroine Sally uses a {{Jetpack}} to fly around while ''completely naked,'' but doesn't suffer any injuries from doing so.

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* Played as straight as possible in a ''Flash Gordon'' parody from Wally Wood's ''[[ComicStrip/SallyForthWood Sally Forth]]''.''ComicStrip/{{Sally Forth|Wood}}''. The heroine Sally uses a {{Jetpack}} to fly around while ''completely naked,'' but doesn't suffer any injuries from doing so.



* The {{Film/Sharknado}} films have been well-known for giving the middle finger to the laws of physics. A rather amusing example is in Film/SharknadoThe4thAwakens, when one of the sharknados becomes a Nukenado. The heroes go to fight it and, naturally, aren't cooked from the inside.

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* The {{Film/Sharknado}} films have been well-known for giving the middle finger to the laws of physics. A rather amusing example is in Film/SharknadoThe4thAwakens, ''Film/SharknadoThe4thAwakens'', when one of the sharknados becomes a Nukenado. The heroes go to fight it and, naturally, aren't cooked from the inside.



** In the same scene, the protagonists have to rescue an unconscious fireman stuck at the far end of a fire truck's ladder. Apparently convection from a precarious position ''is'' enough to make metal melt and bend, and clothes ignite, but if you make it to solid ground you're safe even if you're ''closer'' to the lava now than you were while up on the ladder.
*** To be fair, being ''above'' the lava would put both ladder and fireman directly in the rising column of heat, while being ''next to'' the lava wouldn't.

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** In the same scene, the protagonists have to rescue an unconscious fireman stuck at the far end of a fire truck's ladder. Apparently convection from a precarious position ''is'' enough to make metal melt and bend, and clothes ignite, but if you make it to solid ground you're safe even if you're ''closer'' to the lava now than you were while up on the ladder.
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ladder. To be fair, being ''above'' the lava would put both ladder and fireman directly in the rising column of heat, while being ''next to'' the lava wouldn't.



* The infamous SyFyChannelOriginalMovie ''Raptor Island'' features a scene where the female lead runs across a tree over a river of lava.

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* The infamous SyFyChannelOriginalMovie Film/SyFyChannelOriginalMovie ''Raptor Island'' features a scene where the female lead runs across a tree over a river of lava.



* In the first ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfThomasCovenant'', the giant Foamfollower carries Covenant across Hotash Slay, a river of lava. Foamfollower, being a giant, is immune to fire and so can withstand the heat of the lava; Covenant, however, should have been fried before Foamfollower even stepped into the river. There is some effort at [[HandWave Hand Waving]] this -- it is implied that Covenant's ring is involved -- but still, it's fairly ludicrous.

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* In the first ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfThomasCovenant'', the giant Foamfollower carries Covenant across Hotash Slay, a river of lava. Foamfollower, being a giant, is immune to fire and so can withstand the heat of the lava; Covenant, however, should have been fried before Foamfollower even stepped into the river. There is some effort at [[HandWave Hand Waving]] {{Hand Wav|e}}ing this -- it is implied that Covenant's ring is involved -- but still, it's fairly ludicrous.



* ''Series/{{Mythbusters}}'' once tested firewalking over charcoal. The build team found out that coal is actually a decent insulator; the top being much cooler than the underside, and that the proper technique is a casual walk. This is because when running, more weight is concentrated on less area, causing a person's feet to dig into the coals; potentially causing severe burns. [[ButtMonkey Adam]] found that out [[AgonyOfTheFeet the hard way]]. It's a favorite trick of "life coaches" to demonstrate firewalking over wood or charcoal. Ask them to repeat the feat with a comparatively ''cooler'' metal plate.
** On a similar note, the Mythbusters have demonstrated that it's perfectly possible to (very briefly) dip your fingers into molten lead, if you dip them in water beforehand. The layer of water coating your skin evaporates the moment it makes contact, and water vapor is yet another excellent insulator.

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* ''Series/{{Mythbusters}}'' once tested firewalking over charcoal. The build team found out that coal is actually a decent insulator; the top being much cooler than the underside, and that the proper technique is a casual walk. This is because when running, more weight is concentrated on less area, causing a person's feet to dig into the coals; potentially causing severe burns. [[ButtMonkey Adam]] found that out [[AgonyOfTheFeet the hard way]]. It's a favorite trick of "life coaches" to demonstrate firewalking over wood or charcoal. Ask them to repeat the feat with a comparatively ''cooler'' metal plate.
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On a similar note, the Mythbusters have demonstrated that it's perfectly possible to (very briefly) dip your fingers into molten lead, if you dip them in water beforehand. The layer of water coating your skin evaporates the moment it makes contact, and water vapor is yet another excellent insulator.



* ''Pinball/{{Gorgar}}'' takes place inside the monster's LavaPit, but both the BarbarianHero and the DistressedDamsel suffer no obvious ill effects.

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* ''Pinball/{{Gorgar}}'' takes place inside the monster's LavaPit, but both the BarbarianHero and the DistressedDamsel DamselInDistress suffer no obvious ill effects.



** This Trope is used to demonstrate how tough Immortals are on the cover of ''The Immortal Storm'', an introductory adventure for Immortal-Level players in the original boxed set. The cover shows four scantly-clad human-like figures with perfectly toned torsos wading through lava with no discomfort at all. (After all, when the PlayerCharacters are Immortal and confronted by lava, "convection? schmonvection!" is their most likely response.)

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** This Trope is used to demonstrate how tough Immortals are on the cover of ''The Immortal Storm'', an introductory adventure for Immortal-Level players in the original boxed set. The cover shows four scantly-clad human-like figures with perfectly toned torsos wading through lava with no discomfort at all. (After all, when the PlayerCharacters {{Player Character}}s are Immortal and confronted by lava, "convection? schmonvection!" is their most likely response.)
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