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* What were the circumstances surrounding the death of [[TheBible Goliath?]] The story as generally remembered is that David was a shepherd boy bringing food to his brothers in Saul's army when he heard of Goliath's challenge to single combat, introduced himself to Saul, and volunteered to fight... except that he was already serving Saul at this point as a musician and armour bearer; Saul should have known who he was and he should have been with his king in the first place. While all this just comes from the first book of Samuel, the second book of Samuel mentions how Goliath was killed by someone called Elhanan...
19th Feb '17 6:56:39 PM Vrahno
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* About halfway through the first ''ComicBook/{{Bionicle}}'' book, ''Tale of the Toa'', the writer starts mentioning the tools of the Toa Nuva, and how the Toa use them. Yet they only turn into Toa Nuva at the end of the second novel. The confusion came about because the author, who wasn't well versed in the story and its characters to begin with, had to churn out the books real fast, all in 2003, which meant that besides that year's story, those of '01 and '02 also had to be written down. She thus accidentally mixed up the original Toa and their tools from the first year with their advanced Nuva forms from the second.
** A lot of scenes also differ in their presentation from the source material, like how the Toa received their Golden Masks, and the entire final battle with the Manas and Makuta, the latter of which ''didn't even occur'' in the book, despite being the GrandFinale of that year. Tons of scenes are written in a way that makes the book unwarrantable for a CompressedAdaptation title (as in, the left-out events simply cannot be spliced in between the chapters). These could be forgiven, were the book meant to be a simple adaptation, or a "new take" on the story, but it was supposedly intended to be part of the official timeline.

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* About halfway through The author of the first three ''ComicBook/{{Bionicle}}'' book, ''Tale of the Toa'', the writer starts mentioning the tools of the Toa Nuva, and how the Toa use them. Yet they books was probably only turn into Toa Nuva at the end of the second novel. The confusion came about because the author, who wasn't well versed in the story and its characters instructed to begin with, had to churn out keep the books real fast, all in 2003, which meant that besides that year's story, those of '01 close to the comic series and '02 also ignore other sources. This lead to the events presented in online material (which at the time of the books' writing had to be written down. She thus accidentally mixed up a dubious place in canon), as well as the original Toa and their tools from the first year canceled PC game becoming irreconcilable with their advanced Nuva forms from the second.
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book's plot. A lot of scenes also differ in their presentation from the source material, like how the Toa received their Golden Masks, and the entire final battle with the Manas and Makuta, the latter of which ''didn't even ''doesn't occur'' in the book, despite being the GrandFinale of that year. Tons of story arc. Many scenes are written in a way that makes the book unwarrantable for a CompressedAdaptation title (as in, title, since the left-out events simply cannot be spliced in between the chapters).chapters. These could be forgiven, were the book meant to be a simple adaptation, or a "new take" on the story, but it was supposedly intended to be part of the official timeline.
19th Feb '17 3:59:30 PM bt8257
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The longer that this goes on and as more teams take over, the more chance there is of a Continuity Snarl. The more {{retcon}}s are made, {{reset button}}s pressed, and the more the 'verse enters into a DorkAge.

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The longer that this goes on and as more teams take over, the more chance there is chances of a Continuity Snarl.Snarls taking place go up. The more {{retcon}}s are made, {{reset button}}s pressed, and the more the 'verse enters into a DorkAge.
16th Feb '17 5:22:06 AM 64SuperNintendo
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** It should be noted that the official timeline only had slightly fewer problems than the average fan timeline at the time of its reveal. The reason for this ultimately stems from the games always focusing on refining gameplay long before crafting a story to match, games prior to Ocarina not being made with any overarching timeline in mind, and (arguably) confusion about where to place Capcom-developed installments (the Orcale games, The Minish Cap, and the Four Swords games).

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** It should be noted that the official timeline only had slightly fewer problems than the average fan timeline at the time of its reveal. The reason for this ultimately stems from the games always focusing on refining gameplay long before crafting a story to match, games prior to Ocarina not being made with any overarching timeline in mind, and (arguably) confusion about where to place Capcom-developed installments (the Orcale Oracle games, The Minish Cap, and the Four Swords games).
13th Feb '17 5:57:04 AM mario0987
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** There are sound arguments that ''[[Series/TheSarahJaneAdventures Revenge of the Slitheen]]'' happened after "Smith and Jones", and equally sound arguments it happened first. Evidence that "Revenge of the Slitheen" comes first include a mention in the previous episode (chronologically a week earlier) that it takes place eighteen months after the events of "School Reunion" and the plot of "Revenge" seeming to take place at the beginning of the school year. However, "Turn Left" has the cast of Series 1 of ''Series/TheSarahJaneAdventures'' enter the plot of "Smith and Jones" which seems to take place -at the latest- in May due to ''Series/DoctorWho'' series 3 having a plot point revolving around an election (British elections take place in May).

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** There are sound arguments that ''[[Series/TheSarahJaneAdventures Revenge of the Slitheen]]'' happened after "Smith and Jones", and equally sound arguments it happened first. Evidence that "Revenge of the Slitheen" comes first second include a mention in the previous episode (chronologically a week earlier) that it takes place eighteen months after the events of "School Reunion" and the plot of "Revenge" seeming to take place at the beginning of the school year. However, "Turn Left" has the cast of Series 1 of ''Series/TheSarahJaneAdventures'' enter the plot of "Smith and Jones" which seems to take place -at the latest- in May due to ''Series/DoctorWho'' series 3 having a plot point revolving around an election (British elections take place in May).
31st Jan '17 3:26:42 PM justanid
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* UrbanLegends falls under this trope, being a form of present-day OralTradition, they often change via GossipEvolution with every retelling.
* Arthurian Legends:
** Who is Myth/KingArthur's greatest knight: Sir Gawain, Sir Lancelot, Sir Percival, Sir Galahad, or King Pellinore? Did you even know that in many of the earliest tales, it is Sir Gawain, without question? And before that, it was ''Mordred as a good guy''.
** And what about Sir Griflet? Originally one of Arthur's most loyal knights, he was pretty much supplanted by Sir Bedivere.
** And Lancelot, the one knight that everyone knows, isn't even part of the "original cast". He was originally the star of his own set of adventures and only got mixed in with the other knights along the way.
*** According to Creator/PeterDavid, Lancelot was "the first Mary Sue." This certainly explains his (or rather his reincarnation's) treatment in Knight Life.
** And Morgan Le Fey -- once she made the CrossOver and stuck, having originally been from the Matter of France -- went from being a benevolent sorceress who had saved Arthur's life on multiple occasions to a vindictive {{yandere}} bent on breaking up Arthur/Guinevere to the mother of the BigBad to the BigBad herself. And even after Mordred was {{retcon}}ned into being her son, he originally wasn't fathered by Arthur. And then the whole BrotherSisterIncest thing got added in.
** In the very earliest stratum [[OneManArmy Cai]] was ''easily'' the foremost of Arthur's war band.
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* Arthurian Legends:
** Who is Myth/KingArthur's greatest knight: Sir Gawain, Sir Lancelot, Sir Percival, Sir Galahad, or King Pellinore? Did you even know that in many of the earliest tales, it is Sir Gawain, without question? And before that, it was ''Mordred as a good guy''.
** And what about Sir Griflet? Originally one of Arthur's most loyal knights, he was pretty much supplanted by Sir Bedivere.
** And Lancelot, the one knight that everyone knows, isn't even part of the "original cast". He was originally the star of his own set of adventures and only got mixed in with the other knights along the way.
*** According to Creator/PeterDavid, Lancelot was "the first Mary Sue." This certainly explains his (or rather his reincarnation's) treatment in Knight Life.
** And Morgan Le Fey -- once she made the CrossOver and stuck, having originally been from the Matter of France -- went from being a benevolent sorceress who had saved Arthur's life on multiple occasions to a vindictive {{yandere}} bent on breaking up Arthur/Guinevere to the mother of the BigBad to the BigBad herself. And even after Mordred was {{retcon}}ned into being her son, he originally wasn't fathered by Arthur. And then the whole BrotherSisterIncest thing got added in.
** In the very earliest stratum [[OneManArmy Cai]] was ''easily'' the foremost of Arthur's war band.
25th Jan '17 4:50:37 PM Thorion
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** In one episode of ''Xena'', the heroes meet Ulysses and help him return home to Ithaca after the Trojan War. Later, they come across and participate in the Trojan War.
25th Jan '17 5:51:54 AM StFan
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* Who is Myth/KingArthur's greatest knight: Sir Gawain, Sir Lancelot, Sir Percival, Sir Galahad, or King Pellinore? Did you even know that in many of the earliest tales, it is Sir Gawain, without question? And before that, it was ''Mordred as a good guy''.
** And what about Sir Griflet? Originally one of Arthur's most loyal knights, he was pretty much supplanted by Sir Bedivere.
** And Lancelot, the one knight that everyone knows, isn't even part of the "original cast". He was originally the star of his own set of adventures and only got mixed in with the other knights along the way.
*** According to Creator/PeterDavid, Lancelot was "the first Mary Sue." This certainly explains his (or rather his reincarnation's) treatment in Knight Life.
** And Morgan Le Fey -- once she made the CrossOver and stuck, having originally been from the Matter of France -- went from being a benevolent sorceress who had saved Arthur's life on multiple occasions to a vindictive {{yandere}} bent on breaking up Arthur/Guinevere to the mother of the BigBad to the BigBad herself. And even after Mordred was {{retcon}}ned into being her son, he originally wasn't fathered by Arthur. And then the whole BrotherSisterIncest thing got added in.
** In the very earliest stratum [[OneManArmy Cai]] was ''easily'' the foremost of Arthur's war band.
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* ''Series/DoctorWho''
** The most notorious example of this is the "UNIT dating controversy" (yes, we've heard all the slash fiction jokes). At the time that the early-1970s main run of UNIT stories featuring the Third and Fourth Doctors was made, the intention on the part of most of the creators was that they were set TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture, with a more active space programme and slightly higher tech generally, although no attempt was made to alter fashion and vehicles. There were few actual in-canon references - the most explicit one is Sarah's claim in "Pyramids of Mars" to come from 1980. However, the later story "Mawdryn Undead" explicitly states that the Brigadier retired before 1977, suggesting that the earlier stories were set at broadcast date. Fans learnt to shudder when the topic of what exact decade(s) the UNIT stories were set in is raised, before the new series demonstrated how much worse it could get. Precisely when the UNIT stories were set may be unclear, but at least we know which order they took place in.

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* ''Series/DoctorWho''
''Series/DoctorWho'':
** The most notorious example of this is the "UNIT dating controversy" (yes, we've heard all the slash fiction jokes). At the time that the early-1970s main run of UNIT stories featuring the Third and Fourth Doctors was made, the intention on the part of most of the creators was that they were set TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture, with a more active space programme and slightly higher tech generally, although no attempt was made to alter fashion and vehicles. There were few actual in-canon references - -- the most explicit one is Sarah's claim in "Pyramids of Mars" to come from 1980. However, the later story "Mawdryn Undead" explicitly states that the Brigadier retired before 1977, suggesting that the earlier stories were set at broadcast date. Fans learnt to shudder when the topic of what exact decade(s) the UNIT stories were set in is raised, before the new series demonstrated how much worse it could get. Precisely when the UNIT stories were set may be unclear, but at least we know which order they took place in.



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* Arthurian Legends:
** Who is Myth/KingArthur's greatest knight: Sir Gawain, Sir Lancelot, Sir Percival, Sir Galahad, or King Pellinore? Did you even know that in many of the earliest tales, it is Sir Gawain, without question? And before that, it was ''Mordred as a good guy''.
** And what about Sir Griflet? Originally one of Arthur's most loyal knights, he was pretty much supplanted by Sir Bedivere.
** And Lancelot, the one knight that everyone knows, isn't even part of the "original cast". He was originally the star of his own set of adventures and only got mixed in with the other knights along the way.
*** According to Creator/PeterDavid, Lancelot was "the first Mary Sue." This certainly explains his (or rather his reincarnation's) treatment in Knight Life.
** And Morgan Le Fey -- once she made the CrossOver and stuck, having originally been from the Matter of France -- went from being a benevolent sorceress who had saved Arthur's life on multiple occasions to a vindictive {{yandere}} bent on breaking up Arthur/Guinevere to the mother of the BigBad to the BigBad herself. And even after Mordred was {{retcon}}ned into being her son, he originally wasn't fathered by Arthur. And then the whole BrotherSisterIncest thing got added in.
** In the very earliest stratum [[OneManArmy Cai]] was ''easily'' the foremost of Arthur's war band.



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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. The setting is ''deliberately'' designed to take into account the possibility of Continuity Snarl by making the tech [[SchizoTech naturally variable]] and everything told is either [[UnreliableNarrator from skewed viewpoints, propaganda, or possibly inaccurate documents, reports, or histories.]] Its creators' pronouncement is "Everything written about 40k is ''canon,'' but it isn't necessarily ''true.''"
** The ''Literature/HorusHeresy'' series is an exception to this; the idea is that this is what ''really'' happened, without 10,000 years of distortion.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''.''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000''. The setting is ''deliberately'' designed to take into account the possibility of Continuity Snarl by making the tech [[SchizoTech naturally variable]] and everything told is either [[UnreliableNarrator from skewed viewpoints, propaganda, or possibly inaccurate documents, reports, or histories.]] Its creators' pronouncement is "Everything written about 40k is ''canon,'' but it isn't necessarily ''true.''"
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''" The ''Literature/HorusHeresy'' series is an exception to this; the idea is that this is what ''really'' happened, without 10,000 years of distortion.



* The UsefulNotes/NintendoDS UpdatedRerelease of ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'' featured an extra, fifth case which takes place in between ''Ace Attorney'' and ''Justice For All'' [[spoiler: as evidenced by Maya still being away at Kurain Village training]] wherein Phoenix and Edgeworth work together to assist Ema and Lana Skye in their legal case. However, when Edgeworth reappears in ''Justice For All'''s fourth and final case, Phoenix claims not to have seen him since [[spoiler: the fourth case of ''Ace Attorney'' where Miles was accused of murder]] and Edgeworth supports this by claiming to have left the country right after said events; neither of them seeming to remember their work together on the Skye trial. This could simply be explained away as a case of CanonDiscontinuity by stating that the fifth case of ''Ace Attorney'' never really happened in the series proper, due to it being an addition for the remake. But, Ema is integrated with the official continuity in [[FanNickname the Apollo Justice arc]] by having her appear and explain Wright's involvement with her sister's case, thus making Phoenix's and Edgeworth's reactions to each other in ''Justice for All'' seem odd in retrospect.
** It's quite easy to make it fit in canon if you ignore the one part where Phoenix says he has not seen him since [[spoiler: Miles' trial]] and just consider that they were really referring to Case 5 of the first game rather than Case 4 (Case 5 actually does somewhat set up Miles' disappearance). This problem was basically made due to bad porting. If they changed the background in Phoenix's little "Haven't seen him since" monologue, this whole problem would have never existed.
** What's really weird is, because of the order the games were released in overseas, the translations had every chance to fix this and write it so that no one would notice the problem, and they... didn't.
** This is fixed in the 3DS ''Trilogy'' rerelease. [[spoiler:When Edgeworth is brought up in the third case of ''Justice for All'', Edgeworth is stated to have stepped into a courtroom once after his own trial, that time being the fifth case]]. All references to [[spoiler:Case Four being the last time Phoenix saw Edgeworth]] are removed.



* The Franchise/{{Nasuverse}} has an interesting approach to continuity snarls.
** The first comes into place with Kagetsu Tohya, a sequel for ''VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}}''. Kagetsu Tohya takes place in a dream world where the continuity is heavily blended and mutually conflicting events all take place together. For example, whether or not Akiha goes to Shiki's school depends on what he is thinking that morning. However, it should be impossible for this to be possible at all because the story is based around Len, and there is no route in ''Tsukihime'' where Shiki meets Len (Arcueid's familiar at the time) while Akiha goes to school with him. The continuity snarl occasionally confuses Shiki as well, but he's prevented from really thinking about it by Len.
** An equally weird example makes up the plot of ''VisualNovel/FateHollowAtaraxia'', which blends the timeline for ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''. The nature of ''FSN'' means that almost the entire cast ''has'' to be killed off before the end, but they're all okay again in FHA. Characters who died in all three routes are back. [[spoiler:The reason for this is because Tohsaka accidentally merged a large number of continuities together, both ones we saw and ones we did not. Thus while Lancer was always killed, there was a continuity somewhere where he didn't. On the flip-side, Kotomine remains dead since he was fated to die in every possible continuity. Like the above example, dream worlds come into it somehow, but since it hasn't been fully translated it's not quite clear how it works out exactly.]]
** Finally, Ryougi Shiki appears in ''VideoGame/MeltyBlood'' despite word of god stating that she and Tohno Shiki do not share a universe because the odds of two people having the Mystis Eyes of Death Perception at any given time make it impossible. Nobody seems to have had the eyes for several thousand years, meaning the odds of having them manifest are at probably trillions to one. ''VideoGame/MeltyBlood'' has other issues than this, however. Satsuki is alive and a vampire, Arcueid is still around but not all yandere-y, Kohaku's route appears to have been partially resolved, Vermillion Akiha etc.
*** At least in Ryougi's case, she is explicitly stated to come from a different universe, as ''LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai'' is set in an alternate reality from ''VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}}'' and ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''.



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* ''Webcomic/{{Drowtales}}''' rolling {{Retcon}} (repeatedly sequentially updating older chapters with new art and story) causes chaos for many fans' understanding of the comic's backstory, and there are ongoing debates on the forums as to what formerly canon information is current canon and what isn't.
* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' parodies this trope with an actual entity called [[TropeNamers The Snarl]]; created when multiple Gods tried to create the universe and had disagreements about how things worked. The current FantasyKitchenSink of the setting was their way of avoiding this happening again.

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* ''Webcomic/{{Drowtales}}''' rolling {{Retcon}} (repeatedly sequentially updating older chapters The UsefulNotes/NintendoDS UpdatedRerelease of ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'' featured an extra, fifth case which takes place in between ''Ace Attorney'' and ''Justice For All'' [[spoiler: as evidenced by Maya still being away at Kurain Village training]] wherein Phoenix and Edgeworth work together to assist Ema and Lana Skye in their legal case. However, when Edgeworth reappears in ''Justice For All'''s fourth and final case, Phoenix claims not to have seen him since [[spoiler: the fourth case of ''Ace Attorney'' where Miles was accused of murder]] and Edgeworth supports this by claiming to have left the country right after said events; neither of them seeming to remember their work together on the Skye trial. This could simply be explained away as a case of CanonDiscontinuity by stating that the fifth case of ''Ace Attorney'' never really happened in the series proper, due to it being an addition for the remake. But, Ema is integrated with new art the official continuity in [[FanNickname the Apollo Justice arc]] by having her appear and story) causes chaos explain Wright's involvement with her sister's case, thus making Phoenix's and Edgeworth's reactions to each other in ''Justice for many fans' understanding All'' seem odd in retrospect.
** It's quite easy to make it fit in canon if you ignore the one part where Phoenix says he has not seen him since [[spoiler: Miles' trial]] and just consider that they were really referring to Case 5
of the comic's backstory, first game rather than Case 4 (Case 5 actually does somewhat set up Miles' disappearance). This problem was basically made due to bad porting. If they changed the background in Phoenix's little "Haven't seen him since" monologue, this whole problem would have never existed.
** What's really weird is, because of the order the games were released in overseas, the translations had every chance to fix this and write it so that no one would notice the problem, and they... didn't.
** This is fixed in the 3DS ''Trilogy'' rerelease. [[spoiler:When Edgeworth is brought up in the third case of ''Justice for All'', Edgeworth is stated to have stepped into a courtroom once after his own trial, that time being the fifth case]]. All references to [[spoiler:Case Four being the last time Phoenix saw Edgeworth]] are removed.
* The Franchise/{{Nasuverse}} has an interesting approach to continuity snarls.
** The first comes into place with Kagetsu Tohya, a sequel for ''VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}}''. Kagetsu Tohya takes place in a dream world where the continuity is heavily blended and mutually conflicting events all take place together. For example, whether or not Akiha goes to Shiki's school depends on what he is thinking that morning. However, it should be impossible for this to be possible at all because the story is based around Len,
and there is no route in ''Tsukihime'' where Shiki meets Len (Arcueid's familiar at the time) while Akiha goes to school with him. The continuity snarl occasionally confuses Shiki as well, but he's prevented from really thinking about it by Len.
** An equally weird example makes up the plot of ''VisualNovel/FateHollowAtaraxia'', which blends the timeline for ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''. The nature of ''FSN'' means that almost the entire cast ''has'' to be killed off before the end, but they're all okay again in FHA. Characters who died in all three routes
are ongoing debates on the forums as to what formerly canon information is current canon and what isn't.
* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' parodies
back. [[spoiler:The reason for this trope with an actual entity called [[TropeNamers The Snarl]]; created when multiple Gods tried to create is because Tohsaka accidentally merged a large number of continuities together, both ones we saw and ones we did not. Thus while Lancer was always killed, there was a continuity somewhere where he didn't. On the flip-side, Kotomine remains dead since he was fated to die in every possible continuity. Like the above example, dream worlds come into it somehow, but since it hasn't been fully translated it's not quite clear how it works out exactly.]]
** Finally, Ryougi Shiki appears in ''VideoGame/MeltyBlood'' despite word of god stating that she and Tohno Shiki do not share a
universe because the odds of two people having the Mystis Eyes of Death Perception at any given time make it impossible. Nobody seems to have had the eyes for several thousand years, meaning the odds of having them manifest are at probably trillions to one. ''VideoGame/MeltyBlood'' has other issues than this, however. Satsuki is alive and had disagreements about how things worked. The current FantasyKitchenSink of the setting was their way of avoiding this happening again.a vampire, Arcueid is still around but not all yandere-y, Kohaku's route appears to have been partially resolved, Vermillion Akiha etc.
*** At least in Ryougi's case, she is explicitly stated to come from a different universe, as ''LightNovel/KaraNoKyoukai'' is set in an alternate reality from ''VisualNovel/{{Tsukihime}}'' and ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''.


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* ''Webcomic/{{Drowtales}}''' rolling {{Retcon}} (repeatedly sequentially updating older chapters with new art and story) causes chaos for many fans' understanding of the comic's backstory, and there are ongoing debates on the forums as to what formerly canon information is current canon and what isn't.
* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' parodies this trope with an actual entity called [[TropeNamers The Snarl]]; created when multiple Gods tried to create the universe and had disagreements about how things worked. The current FantasyKitchenSink of the setting was their way of avoiding this happening again.
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20th Jan '17 7:12:43 AM SolidSonicTH
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* ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' continuity is very confusing for the simple reason that until ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword Skyward Sword]]'', we didn't have the whole picture, and, of the bits and pieces gotten, weren't told how they fit together[[note]]Before the official timeline was revealed, it was generally accepted that certain games could be grouped together (''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheMinishCap The Minish Cap]]'' leading into the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaFourSwords Four]] [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaFourSwordsAdventures Swords]] games, or ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast A Link to the Past]]'' leading into ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaLinksAwakening Link's Awakening]]'', for example); the problem for fans was sorting these groups into a chronology[[/note]], [[http://zeldawiki.org/Timeline_Theories leading to two decades of debate as to how to organize anything]]. WordOfGod itself was contradictory. Franchise creator Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto, not all that concerned about the timeline due to feeling that stories in video games should be peripheral to the experience, [[ExcusePlot if existent at all]], seemed to endorse that the various games may be corrupted retellings of each other. Eiji Aonuma, who joined the Zelda team starting with ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]'' and became series director shortly after, preferred there be a concrete timeline. Things were finally sorted out in late 2011 when the two revealed the official ''[[UniverseCompendium Hyrule Historia]]''[[note]]which, among other things, showed that things split into THREE timelines, not two as was previously thought, explaining why it was so darn difficult to figure out what went where[[/note]], but the confusion ''will'' [[AsLongAsThereIsEvil return anew each and every time a new game is nearing release]].

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* ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' continuity is very confusing for the simple reason that until ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword Skyward Sword]]'', we didn't have the whole picture, and, of the bits and pieces gotten, weren't told how they fit together[[note]]Before the official timeline was revealed, it was generally accepted that certain games could be grouped together (''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheMinishCap The Minish Cap]]'' leading into the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaFourSwords Four]] [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaFourSwordsAdventures Swords]] games, or ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast A Link to the Past]]'' leading into ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaLinksAwakening Link's Awakening]]'', for example); the problem for fans was sorting these groups into a viable chronology[[/note]], [[http://zeldawiki.org/Timeline_Theories leading to two decades of debate as to how to organize anything]]. WordOfGod itself was contradictory. Franchise creator Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto, not all that concerned about the timeline due to feeling that stories in video games should be peripheral to the experience, [[ExcusePlot if existent at all]], seemed to endorse that the various games may be corrupted retellings of each other. Eiji Aonuma, who joined the Zelda team starting with ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]'' and became series director shortly after, preferred there be a concrete timeline. Things were finally sorted out in late 2011 when the two revealed the official ''[[UniverseCompendium Hyrule Historia]]''[[note]]which, among other things, showed that things split into THREE timelines, not two as was previously thought, explaining why it was so darn difficult to figure out what went where[[/note]], but the confusion ''will'' [[AsLongAsThereIsEvil return anew each and every time a new game is nearing release]].
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* ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' continuity is very confusing for the simple reason that until ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword Skyward Sword]]'', we didn't have the whole picture, and, of the bits and pieces gotten, weren't told how they fit together[[note]]Before the official timeline was revealed, it was generally accepted that certain games could be grouped together (''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheMinishCap The Minish Cap]]'' leading into the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaFourSwords Four]] [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaFourSwordsAdventures Swords]] games, or ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast A Link to the Past]]'' leading into ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaLinksAwakening Link's Awakening]]'', for example); the problem for fanswas ordering these groups[[/note]], [[http://zeldawiki.org/Timeline_Theories leading to two decades of debate as to how to organize anything]]. WordOfGod itself was contradictory. Franchise creator Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto, not all that concerned about the timeline due to feeling that stories in video games should be peripheral to the experience, [[ExcusePlot if existent at all]], seemed to endorse that the various games may be corrupted retellings of each other. Eiji Aonuma, who joined the Zelda team starting with ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]'' and became series director shortly after, preferred there be a concrete timeline. Things were finally sorted out in late 2011 when the two revealed the official ''[[UniverseCompendium Hyrule Historia]]''[[note]]which, among other things, showed that things split into THREE timelines, not two as was previously thought, explaining why it was so darn difficult to figure out what went where[[/note]], but the confusion ''will'' [[AsLongAsThereIsEvil return anew each and every time a new game is nearing release]].

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* ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' continuity is very confusing for the simple reason that until ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword Skyward Sword]]'', we didn't have the whole picture, and, of the bits and pieces gotten, weren't told how they fit together[[note]]Before the official timeline was revealed, it was generally accepted that certain games could be grouped together (''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheMinishCap The Minish Cap]]'' leading into the [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaFourSwords Four]] [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaFourSwordsAdventures Swords]] games, or ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast A Link to the Past]]'' leading into ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaLinksAwakening Link's Awakening]]'', for example); the problem for fanswas ordering fans was sorting these groups[[/note]], groups into a chronology[[/note]], [[http://zeldawiki.org/Timeline_Theories leading to two decades of debate as to how to organize anything]]. WordOfGod itself was contradictory. Franchise creator Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto, not all that concerned about the timeline due to feeling that stories in video games should be peripheral to the experience, [[ExcusePlot if existent at all]], seemed to endorse that the various games may be corrupted retellings of each other. Eiji Aonuma, who joined the Zelda team starting with ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time]]'' and became series director shortly after, preferred there be a concrete timeline. Things were finally sorted out in late 2011 when the two revealed the official ''[[UniverseCompendium Hyrule Historia]]''[[note]]which, among other things, showed that things split into THREE timelines, not two as was previously thought, explaining why it was so darn difficult to figure out what went where[[/note]], but the confusion ''will'' [[AsLongAsThereIsEvil return anew each and every time a new game is nearing release]].
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