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11th May '17 2:30:55 PM StFan
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* In the three Japanese-exclusive ''[[Franchise/TheTransformers Transformers]]'' anime series (''Anime/TransformersHeadmasters'', ''Anime/TransformersSuperGodMasterforce'', and ''Anime/TransformersVictory''), characters who died in ''WesternAnimation/TransformersTheMovie'' show up alive and well, as if nothing happened. This is because the movie wouldn't hit Japan until 1989, leaving much of its events unknown to the Japanese audience/creators. These characters are Prowl, who appears in ''Headmasters'', and Wheeljack, who appears in ''Victory''. Prowl is especially bad, since he was explicitly name-checked as being deceased in the Japanese dub of "Dark Awakening". Later fiction would handwave these appearances by explaining them as being versions of themselves from the ''Binaltech'' universe, taking the place of the originals who really did die during the movie.

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* In the three Japanese-exclusive ''[[Franchise/TheTransformers Transformers]]'' anime series (''Anime/TransformersHeadmasters'', ''Anime/TransformersSuperGodMasterforce'', and ''Anime/TransformersVictory''), characters who died in ''WesternAnimation/TransformersTheMovie'' ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformersTheMovie'' show up alive and well, as if nothing happened. This is because the movie wouldn't hit Japan until 1989, leaving much of its events unknown to the Japanese audience/creators. These characters are Prowl, who appears in ''Headmasters'', and Wheeljack, who appears in ''Victory''. Prowl is especially bad, since he was explicitly name-checked as being deceased in the Japanese dub of "Dark Awakening". Later fiction would handwave these appearances by explaining them as being versions of themselves from the ''Binaltech'' universe, taking the place of the originals who really did die during the movie.
11th May '17 12:09:53 PM Troniac
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** It doesn't help that the series itself is retconning a fair amount of older series's, such as many of the ''[[Literature/RepublicCommandoSeries Republic Commando]]'' novels.

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** It doesn't help that the series itself is retconning a fair amount of older series's, series, such as many of the ''[[Literature/RepublicCommandoSeries Republic Commando]]'' novels.
11th May '17 8:29:35 AM timotaka
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** Good luck trying to make any sense out of how being a Whitelighter is supposed to work. First it is stated to be a voluntary position you can refuse when offered and later resign if you wish, but later in the series people are forced into being Whitelighters. The psychic connection Whitelighters have to the people they are assigned to protect varies from knowing when they are specifically called upon to literally feeling their pain constantly. A Whitelighter fathering a child with a witch is first treated as unthinkable when Piper and Leo get close. Then it is revealed that the mother of the three Charmed Ones had a child (Paige) with her Whitelighter. Okay, that was kept a secret, but in the last season yet another half-Whitelighter witch shows up and nobody thinks it is particularly that unusual. Paige's and Leo's first child Wyatt is insanely powerful due to being half witch (or maybe specifically half Charmed) and half Whitelighter, but it is never addressed why the same does not apply to their second child or Paige.

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** Good luck trying to make any sense out of how being a Whitelighter is supposed to work. First it is stated to be treated as a voluntary position you can refuse when offered and later resign if you wish, but later in the series people are forced into being Whitelighters. The psychic connection Whitelighters have to the people they are assigned to protect varies from knowing when they are specifically called upon to literally feeling their pain constantly. A Whitelighter fathering a child with a witch is first treated as unthinkable when Piper and Leo get close. Then it is revealed that the mother of the three Charmed Ones had a another child (Paige) with her Whitelighter. Okay, Admittedly that was kept a secret, but in the last season yet another half-Whitelighter witch shows up and nobody thinks it is particularly that unusual. Paige's Piper's and Leo's first child Wyatt is insanely powerful due to being half witch (or maybe specifically half Charmed) and half Whitelighter, but it is never addressed why the same does not apply to their second child or Paige.
11th May '17 8:27:32 AM timotaka
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** Good luck trying to make any sense out of how being a Whitelighter is supposed to work. First it is stated to be a voluntary position you can refuse when offered and later resign if you wish, but later in the series people are forced into being Whitelighters. The psychic connection Whitelighters have to the people they are assigned to protect varies from knowing when they are specifically called upon to literally feeling their pain constantly. A Whitelighter fathering a child with a witch is first treated as unthinkable when Piper and Leo get close. Then it is revealed that the mother of the three Charmed Ones had a child (Paige) with her Whitelighter. Okay, that was kept a secret, but in the last season yet another half-Whitelighter witch shows up and nobody thinks it is particularly that unusual. Paige's and Leo's first child Wyatt is insanely powerful due to being half witch (or maybe specifically half Charmed) and half Whitelighter, but it is never addressed why the same does not apply to their second child or Paige.
4th May '17 11:32:51 PM altsan
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** To cash in on the popularity (and unresolved ending) of the OAVs, Pioneer also green-lit a comedy-oriented special episode, known as the ''Mihoshi Special'', which was produced by some of Kajishima's creative assistants (notably Naoko Hasegawa) but without any input from Kajishima himself. This special is mainly influential for introducing ditzy space cop Mihoshi's long-suffering partner Kiyone (albeit purely in a backstory role). Kiyone would go on to appear in the aforementioned ''Tenchi Universe'' series.
** This was eventually followed by a feature film called ''Manatsu No Eve'' (Midsummer's Eve), also mainly the work of Naoko Hasegawa. This movie ''almost'' fits into the OAV and ''Mihoshi Special'' continuity, except that Kiyone appears as a regular character with no explanation. Pioneer further muddied the waters by releasing it in English as ''Tenchi the Movie 2'', leading some viewers to assume it was a follow-up to the previous movie, ''Tenchi Muyo! In Love''.
** Complicating matters even further was that Kajishima, who had plans to eventually return and finish the OAV storyline, despised both the ''Mihoshi Special'' and ''Manatsu No Eve'', and declared them non-canon.

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** To cash in on the popularity (and unresolved ending) of the OAVs, [=OAVs=], Pioneer also green-lit a comedy-oriented special episode, known as the ''Mihoshi Special'', which was produced by some of Kajishima's creative assistants (notably like Naoko Hasegawa) Hasegawa, but without any input from Kajishima himself. This special is mainly influential for introducing ditzy space cop Mihoshi's long-suffering partner Kiyone (albeit purely in a backstory role). Kiyone would go on to appear in the aforementioned ''Tenchi Universe'' series.
** This was eventually followed by a feature film called ''Manatsu No Eve'' (Midsummer's Eve), also mainly the work of Naoko Hasegawa. This movie ''almost'' fits into the OAV and ''Mihoshi Special'' continuity, except that Kiyone appears as a regular character with no explanation. Pioneer further muddied the waters by releasing it in English as ''Tenchi the Movie 2'', 2: Daughter of Darkness'', leading some viewers to assume it was a follow-up to the previous movie, ''Tenchi Muyo! In Love''.
Love'', which was actually part of a different continuity. Things were muddled even more when the ''actual'' sequel to ''Tenchi Muyo! In Love'', ''Tenchi Forever'' (''Tenchi Muyo! In Love 2'' in Japanese) came out a few years after that, and (obviously) didn't reflect any of the events of ''Daughter of Darkness / Manatsu No Eve''.
** Complicating matters even further was that Kajishima, who had plans to eventually return and finish the OAV storyline, despised both the ''Mihoshi Special'' and ''Manatsu No Eve'', and declared them non-canon.CanonDiscontinuity. This was in part due to their use of 'Kiyone' as the name for a new character, whereas Kajishima had apparently already designated that as the name for Tenchi's late mother, who figured prominently in his future plans. To make things worse, Tenchi's mother had been given an entirely different name in the movie ''Tenchi Muyo! In Love'' (which took place in the ''Tenchi Universe'' continuity and had no connection to the OAV continuity).
** Having made his position clear, Kajishima came back and made a third set of OAV episodes to continue the ''Tenchi Muyo! Ryo Ohki'' continuity as ''he'' saw it (disregarding the ''Mihoshi Special'' and ''Manatsu no Eve'' entirely). In ''this'' continuity, Tenchi's mother is indeed named Kiyone, much to the confusion of people who had watched all of the previous continuities to date. (A fourth OAV series in the same continuity began coming out in 2016.)
** To sum up, the main Tenchi continuities discussed so far are:
*** Kajishima continuity (the first two OAV series, followed by the third and fourth), in which Kiyone is the name of Tenchi's late mother;
*** Hasegawa continuity, which essentially shares the first two OAV series, but branches off on its own with the ''Mihoshi Special'' and the second movie (''Daughter of Darkness / Manatsu no Eve''), in which Kiyone is the name of Mihoshi's former partner in the Galaxy Police;
*** Negishi continuity, which consists of the ''Tenchi Universe'' TV series, and the first (''Tenchi Muyo! In Love'') and third (''Tenchi Forever'') movies, but in which Kiyone is Mihoshi's ''current'' partner in the Galaxy Police, and Tenchi's late mother is named Achika.
** To keep this discussion at least moderately sane, the ''other'' alternate-continuity TV series (''Tenchi In Tokyo'') and the various manga continuities have been left out entirely, as they are reasonably self-contained and don't tend to splash over onto other continuities very much.
4th May '17 11:08:52 PM altsan
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* ''Anime/TenchiMuyo'' used to be (in)famous for this, although compared to some of the other examples here it now seems fairly mild.
** The original anime, ''TenchiMuyoRyoOhki'', was a six episode OAV series by (then) Pioneer, later expanded by thirteen, which was largely the creative work of Masaki Kajishima.
** When Kajishima departed to work on other projects, Pioneer engaged Hiroshi Negishi to direct a TV series retelling of the story (released in English as ''TenchiUniverse''), with various contextual and character changes. This was followed by a feature film, ''Tenchi Muyo! In Love'', which was set in the same continuity. All pretty straightforward so far. However...
** To cash in on the popularity (and unresolved ending) of the OAVs, Pioneer also green-lit a comedy-oriented special episode, known as the ''Mihoshi Special'', which was produced by some of Kajishima's creative assistants (notably Naoko Hasegawa) but without any input from Kajishima himself. This special is mainly influential for introducing ditzy space cop Mihoshi's long-suffering partner Kiyone (albeit purely in a backstory role). Kiyone would go on to appear in the aforementioned ''Tenchi Universe'' series.
** This was eventually followed by a feature film called ''Manatsu No Eve'' (Midsummer's Eve), also mainly the work of Naoko Hasegawa. This movie ''almost'' fits into the OAV and ''Mihoshi Special'' continuity, except that Kiyone appears as a regular character with no explanation. Pioneer further muddied the waters by releasing it in English as ''Tenchi the Movie 2'', leading some viewers to assume it was a follow-up to the previous movie, ''Tenchi Muyo! In Love''.
** Complicating matters even further was that Kajishima, who had plans to eventually return and finish the OAV storyline, despised both the ''Mihoshi Special'' and ''Manatsu No Eve'', and declared them non-canon.
28th Apr '17 12:38:48 PM Isaac_Heller
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** Namine is simultaneously both an example and not an example. She was somehow born from Sora's body and Kairi's Heart when Sora became a Heartless in the first game giving her power over his memories. Roxas is kinda like her twin, born from Sora's Body and Heart (And taking on the form of Ventus because his heart was hiding in Sora and it's hinted part (or all) of it stayed in Roxas). The series explains this quite clearly and points out Namine is a special type of non-standard nobody. This is minor issue until you realize Sora also gets his body BACK within minutes of losing it due to the now restored Kairi's powers as a Princes of Heart resulting in Roxas getting NONE of Sora's memories, and it's unclear if Namine got any of either of her "parent's" memories. And let's not get into Xion and the fact the fact that she's sora's Memories made manifest.... Yes the series explains how all this happened quite clearly! But it doesn't explain how any of that CAN happen.

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** Namine is simultaneously both an example and not an example. She was somehow born from Sora's body and Kairi's Heart heart when Sora became a Heartless in the first game giving her power over his memories. Roxas is kinda like her twin, born from Sora's Body body and Heart (And heart (and taking on the form of Ventus because his heart was hiding in Sora and it's hinted part (or all) of it stayed in Roxas). The series explains this quite clearly and points out Namine is a special type of non-standard nobody. Nobody. This is minor issue until you realize Sora also gets his body BACK within minutes of losing it due to the now restored Kairi's powers as a Princes of Heart Heart, resulting in Roxas getting NONE of Sora's memories, and it's unclear if Namine got any of either of her "parent's" memories. And let's not get into Xion and the fact the fact that she's sora's Memories Sora's memories made manifest.... Yes manifest while also being a replica of Sora....Yes, the series explains how all this happened quite clearly! But it doesn't explain how any of that CAN happen.
28th Apr '17 12:36:46 PM Isaac_Heller
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* ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' suffers immensely from this. In the very first game, Riku tells Sora that there can't be two Keyblademasters and takes the Keyblade from him. The letter that King Mickey sends to Donald and Goofy also implies that Sora is THE Keyblademaster by telling them to find the one person with the key, but what happens at the end? We see [[spoiler:King Mickey]] with a keyblade of his own Just like Sora's. It doesn't help that while possessed, Riku wields another type of Keyblade and that now virtually everyone in the series has one. One could easily say that he just made a mistake, but that isn't even hinted at. Yet another example lies in the Pureblood Heartless. In the first game an entire scene is dedicated to watching this type of heartless be born when a frightened passerby loses his heart , but in later games this is retconned and these types of heartless don't give up any hearts when slain with the Keyblade. When it is explained that Nobodies are born when the original holds on to their feelings and memories as a heartless, One is left to wonder how Namine ever factored into that because Kairi never became a heartless and yet Namine is her nobody.

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* ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' suffers immensely from this. In the very first game, Riku tells Sora that there can't be two Keyblademasters and takes the Keyblade from him. The letter that King Mickey sends to Donald and Goofy also implies that Sora is THE Keyblademaster by telling them to find the one person with the key, but what happens at the end? We see [[spoiler:King Mickey]] with a keyblade of his own Just like Sora's. It doesn't help that while possessed, Riku wields another type of Keyblade and that now virtually everyone in the series has one. One could easily say that he just made a mistake, but that isn't even hinted at. Yet another example lies in the Pureblood Heartless. In the first game an entire scene is dedicated to watching this type of heartless be born when a frightened passerby loses his heart , but in later games this is retconned and these types of heartless don't give up any hearts when slain with the Keyblade. When it is explained that Nobodies are born when the original holds on to their feelings and memories as a heartless, One is left to wonder how Namine ever factored into that because Kairi never became a heartless and yet Namine is her nobody.
28th Apr '17 11:56:41 AM Isaac_Heller
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** If this is Garlic Jr. from Movie 1 who's pouring the Black Water Mist, then why did no-one recognise Gohan near the beginning of ''Anime/DragonBallZ''?)

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** If this is Garlic Jr. from Movie 1 who's pouring the Black Water Mist, then why did no-one recognise Gohan near the beginning of ''Anime/DragonBallZ''?) ''Anime/DragonBallZ''?
27th Apr '17 6:01:28 PM jormis29
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** In ''Film/KingKongVsGodzilla'', Godzilla emerges from the iceberg he was trapped in during ''Film/GodzillaRaidsAgain.'' However, ''Raids Again'' was localized in America as a standalone monster flick called ''Gigantis The Fire Monster,'' so the dub for ''King Kong vs. Godzilla'' had to pretend that Godzilla had been trapped in the ice for millions of years and was just now getting out. However, everyone still knows about Godzilla and references him as though he's attacked before, due to the rest of the dialogue not being changed. As a result it's unclear as to whether the [[Film/{{Gojira}} original film]] happened or not in this continuity (and it's worth mentioning that the [[Film/GodzillaKingOfTheMonsters American version]] of the original already established a different continuity than its Japanese counterpart, introducing a new character)

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** In ''Film/KingKongVsGodzilla'', Godzilla emerges from the iceberg he was trapped in during ''Film/GodzillaRaidsAgain.'' However, ''Raids Again'' was localized in America as a standalone monster flick called ''Gigantis The Fire Monster,'' so the dub for ''King Kong vs. Godzilla'' had to pretend that Godzilla had been trapped in the ice for millions of years and was just now getting out. However, everyone still knows about Godzilla and references him as though he's attacked before, due to the rest of the dialogue not being changed. As a result it's unclear as to whether the [[Film/{{Gojira}} original film]] happened or not in this continuity (and it's worth mentioning that the [[Film/GodzillaKingOfTheMonsters [[Film/GodzillaKingOfTheMonsters1956 American version]] of the original already established a different continuity than its Japanese counterpart, introducing a new character)
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