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23rd Jun '18 7:00:14 AM KingLyger
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* ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'': [[ArcVillain Master Xehanort]] could give the aforementioned [[Manga/{{Bleach}} Sosuke Aizen]], [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Riddler]], etc., a run for their money in terms of KudzuPlot plans. Case in point: According to ''3D: Dream Drop Distance'', everything in the previous games has [[GambitRoulette somehow]] been AllAccordingToPlan via [[DiabolusExMachina secret]] powers that overlap [[spoiler:AssimilationPlot]] with [[spoiler:StableTimeLoop [[note]]He even went as far as to [[BeyondTheImpossible cause his own]] StartOfDarkness![[/note]]]]. ...Given that other, more-straightforward [[spoiler:TimeTravel]] methods have been demonstrated in a couple of games, one wonders why he didn't just look for them in order to exploit the [[spoiler:original Keyblade War]] instead of working so feverishly to [[spoiler:recreate it]].

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* ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'': [[ArcVillain ArcVillain Master Xehanort]] Xehanort could give the aforementioned [[Manga/{{Bleach}} Sosuke Aizen]], [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Riddler]], etc., some villains a run for their money in terms of KudzuPlot plans. Case in point: According [[spoiler:According to ''3D: Dream ''Dream Drop Distance'', everything in the previous games has [[GambitRoulette somehow]] been AllAccordingToPlan via [[DiabolusExMachina secret]] powers secret, heretofore unmentioned powers]] that overlap [[spoiler:AssimilationPlot]] AssimilationPlot with [[spoiler:StableTimeLoop [[note]]He StableTimeLoop, all for the sake of recreating the Keyblade War, just to see what would happen. Xehanort even went as far as to [[BeyondTheImpossible cause his own]] StartOfDarkness![[/note]]]]. ...own StartOfDarkness.]] Given that other, more-straightforward [[spoiler:TimeTravel]] methods to accomplish this have been demonstrated in a couple of ''Kingdom Hearts'' games, one wonders why he Xehanort didn't just look for them in order to exploit the [[spoiler:original Keyblade War]] instead of working so feverishly to [[spoiler:recreate it]].on taking the harder option.
23rd Jun '18 1:32:21 AM Morgenthaler
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** "The Computer Wore Menace Shoes" (during a parody of ''Series/ThePrisoner''):

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** "The Computer Wore Menace Shoes" (during a parody of ''Series/ThePrisoner''):''Series/ThePrisoner1967''):
22nd May '18 8:33:58 AM redandready45
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* ''FanFic/ProfessorArc'': Cinder Fall, [[TheChessmaster a woman who spends her all her time scheming]], assumes that Jaune has his own brilliant plan to serve his own ends, and in vain tries to figure it out. Not that he's simply at some kid [[IndyPloy blundering and bluffing his way out of trouble]]. Jaune more or less goes along with this, because [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he knows what would happen if Cinder saw him as not worth her time]].
15th May '18 6:17:45 PM TheCuza
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** In the alternate reality spin-off game ''VideoGame/AgentsOfMayhem'', Pierce ended up in charge of the Saints instead of the Boss and it's shown that his complicated plans actually did work exactly as intended, allowing him to eventually perform a bloodless takeover of all of Stillwater's criminal element before being recruited into MAYHEM.

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** In the alternate reality spin-off game ''VideoGame/AgentsOfMayhem'', Pierce ended up in charge of the Saints instead of the Boss Vice Kings and it's shown that his complicated plans actually did work exactly as intended, allowing him to eventually perform a bloodless takeover of all of Stillwater's criminal element before being recruited into MAYHEM.
8th May '18 5:12:52 PM Gosicrystal
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* ''Franchise/ProfessorLayton'', in the series named after him, when given responsibility over something, will want to do it in a time-consuming and convoluted way. This is most notable in the hamster he has to get into shape for ''Professor Layton and the Diabolical Box'', where Layton collects seemingly random junk to put in the critter's cage. Layton also likes to explain things to [[TheWatson Luke]] in the most confusing way possible. It's a good thing Luke is almost as good at deciphering messages as Layton.
** The villains aren't much better - in particular, Descole's convoluted schemes to find [[spoiler: The Azran sites]] before Layton, and [[spoiler: protect them from Targent]]. Especially his plan in ''Eternal Diva''.

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* ''Franchise/ProfessorLayton'', in the series named after him, when given responsibility over something, will want to do it in a time-consuming and convoluted way. This is most notable in the hamster he has to get into shape for ''Professor Layton and the Diabolical Box'', where Layton collects seemingly random junk to put in the critter's cage. Layton also likes to explain things to [[TheWatson Luke]] in the most confusing way possible. It's a good thing Luke is almost as good at deciphering messages as Layton.
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Layton. The villains aren't much better - in particular, Descole's convoluted schemes to find [[spoiler: The Azran sites]] before Layton, and [[spoiler: protect them from Targent]]. Especially his plan in ''Eternal Diva''.
5th May '18 11:19:36 AM BattleMaster
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** In the alternate reality spin-off game ''VideoGame/AgentsOfMayhem'', Pierce ended up in charge of the Saints instead of the Boss and it's shown that his complicated plans actually did work exactly as intended, allowing him to eventually perform a bloodless takeover of all of Stillwater's criminal element before being recruited into MAYHEM.
3rd May '18 9:15:19 PM marcoasalazarm
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* ''Film/AceVentura'': Ray Finkle's scheme to get back at the Dolphins and Ray Marino in specific for putting the laces on the ball facing the wrong way and making him the laughingstock of Super Bowl history. You would think that a man literally driven ragingly insane would just shoot Marino or something equally simple. Instead, Finkle spends a long time building a fake identity, infiltrating the Miami police and escalating ranks until he becomes the MoleInCharge of the investigation that will ensue from his crimes and getting the resources for both the theft of the Dolphins' mascot Snowflake and the kidnapping of Marino [[spoiler:and this is without counting the whole thing about getting a sex change.]]
16th Apr '18 12:52:46 PM MasterFuzzy
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* Lucius Malfoy in ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm''. While, as yet, he hasn't put a foot wrong, it is noted as the defining trait of the Malfoy house, and often trips them up when doing something simple would be much more effective.
** Arguably [[Creator/NimbusLlewelyn the author]]. There is a ''reason'' that this fic has the single longest entry on the GambitPileup page, and the above could be a tacit acknowledgement of this by him.
* The NeglectfulPrecursors in ''[[FanFic/SovereignGFCOrigins Origins]]'', a ''Franchise/MassEffect''[=/=]''Franchise/StarWars''[=/=]''VideoGame/{{Borderlands}}''[[spoiler:[=/=]''[=Halo=]'']] MassiveMultiplayerCrossover pretty much brought the events of the three galaxies featured about through this trope combined with [[DuelingMessiahs internal religious conflicts]]. More details can be founed on the NeglectfulPrecursors page.

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* Lucius Malfoy in ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm''. While, as yet, While he hasn't put a foot wrong, isn't defeated through any misstep of his own, it is noted as the defining trait of the Malfoy house, and often trips them up when doing something simple would be much more effective.
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** Arguably [[Creator/NimbusLlewelyn the author]]. There is a ''reason'' that this fic [[MassiveMultiplayerCrossover fic]] has the single longest entry on the GambitPileup page, and the above could be a tacit acknowledgement of this by him.
* The NeglectfulPrecursors in ''[[FanFic/SovereignGFCOrigins Origins]]'', a ''Franchise/MassEffect''[=/=]''Franchise/StarWars''[=/=]''VideoGame/{{Borderlands}}''[[spoiler:[=/=]''[=Halo=]'']] MassiveMultiplayerCrossover pretty much brought the events of the three galaxies featured about through this trope combined with [[DuelingMessiahs internal religious conflicts]]. More details can be founed found on the NeglectfulPrecursors page.



** The plan to rescue Han from Jabba the Hutt at the beginning of ''Jedi'' is also ridiculously complex, to the point where there is still considerable debate among fans as to what the original plan was, and how much was planned and how much was improvised, or if there were possibly several different plans going on at once. First Lando infiltrates the palace as a guard, then Luke sends the Droids to Jabba as a "gift", then Leia arrives disguised as a Bounty Hunter with Chewie as her prisoner, then Leia frees Han from the carbonite but is discovered and taken captive, then Luke arrives and attempts to negotiate only to be forced to fight the Rancor, then Jabba gets mad and sentences everyone to death, then they're taken to the Sarlacc Pit, then they kill everyone and go home. One wonders why any step besides that last one was necessary. Luke does seem to want to give Jabba the opportunity to resolve things peacefully, but that still makes everything that happened before Luke arrived pointless.

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** The plan to rescue Han from Jabba the Hutt at the beginning of ''Jedi'' is also ridiculously complex, to the point where there is still considerable debate among fans as to what the original plan was, and how much was planned and how much was improvised, or if there were possibly several different plans going on at once. First Lando infiltrates the palace as a guard, then Luke sends the Droids droids to Jabba as a "gift", then Leia arrives disguised as a Bounty Hunter bounty hunter with Chewie as her prisoner, then Leia frees Han from the carbonite but is discovered and taken captive, then Luke arrives and attempts to negotiate only to be forced to fight the Rancor, rancor, then Jabba gets mad and sentences everyone to death, then they're taken to the Sarlacc Pit, then they kill everyone and go home. One wonders why any step besides that last one was necessary. Luke does seem to want to give Jabba the opportunity to resolve things peacefully, but that still makes everything that happened before Luke arrived pointless.



*** In ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire Goblet of Fire]]'', Voldemort sends a [[TheMole Mole]] to Hogwarts to kidnap Harry so as to use his blood in Voldemort's resurrection ritual. They do this by taking a full year to build the mole's false identity, force Harry to participate in the Triwizard Tournament against his will, rig the tournament to let him win, and enchant the trophy to teleport him to the ritual site. The mole apparently does not think to use his trusted position of authority to whack Harry over the head, shove him into his magic chest, and smuggle him out of Hogwarts in the first week of class. Or to make any random object into his office into a Portkey, invite Harry in, and arrange for him to touch it. It's even pointed out that given Voldemort's status as the Evil Overlord of the Wizarding world, he could probably use ''any random Witch's or Wizard's blood'' for the ritual (it simply requires "blood of the enemy"... who outside of Voldemort's followers is ''not'' his enemy?), but no, Voldemort is obsessed with it being Harry, since he wants Harry's magical protection from his mother's sacrifice in his blood.
*** Harry only survives through books 4 on because the revived Voldemort demands a grandiose and wand-induced death. When Voldemort actually kills Harry in [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Book 7]], it doesn't stick. Voldemort actually tries to kill Harry as soon as he sees him near the end of [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix Book 5]] when he shows up unexpectedly after Harry had thwarted the Death Eaters' plan. Luckily for Harry, Dumbledore intervenes just in time.

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*** In ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire Goblet of Fire]]'', Voldemort sends a [[TheMole Mole]] to Hogwarts to kidnap Harry so as to use his blood in Voldemort's resurrection ritual. They do this by taking a full year to build the mole's false identity, force Harry to participate in the Triwizard Tournament against his will, rig the tournament to let him win, and enchant the trophy to teleport him to the ritual site. The mole apparently does not think to use his trusted position of authority to whack Harry over the head, shove him into his magic chest, and smuggle him out of Hogwarts in the first week of class. Or to make any random object into his office into a Portkey, invite Harry in, and arrange for him to touch it. It's even pointed out that given Voldemort's status as the Evil Overlord of the Wizarding world, he could probably use ''any random Witch's or Wizard's blood'' for the ritual (it simply requires "blood of the enemy"... who outside of Voldemort's followers is ''not'' his enemy?), but no, Voldemort is obsessed with it being Harry, since he wants Harry's magical protection from his mother's sacrifice in his blood.
*** Harry only survives through books 4 on because the revived Voldemort demands a grandiose and wand-induced death. When Voldemort actually kills Harry in [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Book 7]], it doesn't stick. Voldemort actually tries to kill Harry as soon as he sees him near the end of [[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix Book 5]] when he shows up unexpectedly after Harry had thwarted the Death Eaters' plan. Luckily for Harry, Dumbledore intervenes just in time. When, in Book 6, the Death Eaters actually ''have Harry at their mercy,'' Snape stops them by reminding them that Voldemort wouldn't want somebody else to kill him. Though, admittedly, Snape has other reasons for what he does.



** Oliver Wood's various incredibly-elaborate Quidditch play plans, which tend to take multiple magical diagrams to explain.

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** In a PlayedForLaughs example, Oliver Wood's various incredibly-elaborate Quidditch play plans, which tend to take multiple magical diagrams to explain.



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Another, equally important reason, is that since they work in and around human society far more than many other supernatural beings in the Dresdenverse. Hiring a gunman to shoot your rival can be easily traced back to you. Subtly goading another rival into a conflict with the first so ''he'' hires the gunman insulates you from the consequences far better. White Court culture has grown up around this principle, with the most respected actions being those that "everyone knows" you were responsible for, but nobody can connect you to with any sort of actual evidence. They also apply this to supernatural being stronger than themselves.

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**Another, equally important reason, is that since they work in and around human society far more than many other supernatural beings in the Dresdenverse. Hiring a gunman to shoot your rival can be easily traced back to you. Subtly goading another rival into a conflict with the first so ''he'' hires the gunman insulates you from the consequences far better. White Court culture has grown up around this principle, with the most respected actions being those that "everyone knows" you were responsible for, but nobody can connect you to with any sort of actual evidence. They also apply this to supernatural being stronger than themselves.



** Victoria Hand in "[[Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS1E7TheHub The Hub]]". She sends Ward and Fitz on a mission to disarm a weapon that has fallen into terrorist hands, with the promise that they will be extracted afterward before S.H.I.E.L.D.'s takeover of the facility. In truth, however, there is no extraction plan and Ward and Fitz are likely going to their deaths. When Coulson confronts her about this, she merely states that they couldn't spare the resources. In the end, Coulson decides to go against her orders and take the rest of his team to rescue Ward and Fitz. Hand then reveals that she intended for him to do this all along... which begs the question of why she didn't just order Coulson to extract Ward and Fitz in the first place, since that's apparently what she wanted and (at least as far as the viewers are aware) it's not like Coulson and the others were really doing anything at the hub to begin with. Heads into GambitRoulette territory when you consider that Coulson wouldn't have even found out there was no extraction plan if Simmons and Skye hadn't also violated their orders and hacked into Hand's classified mission plans.
** In the later episode "[[Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS1E7TheHub The Hub]]", Hand reveals that she's been evaluating Coulson to determine whether he CameBackWrong, so the events of "The Hub" might have been a SecretTestOfCharacter (though still an overly-complex one).

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** Victoria Hand in "[[Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS1E7TheHub The Hub]]". She sends Ward and Fitz on a mission to disarm a weapon that has fallen into terrorist hands, with the promise that they will be extracted afterward before S.H.I.E.L.D.'s takeover of the facility. In truth, however, there is no extraction plan and Ward and Fitz are likely going to their deaths. When Coulson confronts her about this, she merely states that they couldn't spare the resources. In the end, Coulson decides to go against her orders and take the rest of his team to rescue Ward and Fitz. Hand then reveals that she intended for him to do this all along... which begs the question of why she didn't just order Coulson to extract Ward and Fitz in the first place, since that's apparently what she wanted and (at least as far as the viewers are aware) it's not like Coulson and the others were really doing anything at the hub Hub to begin with. Heads into GambitRoulette territory when you consider that Coulson wouldn't have even found out there was no extraction plan if Simmons and Skye hadn't also violated their orders and hacked into Hand's classified mission plans.
** In the a later episode "[[Recap/AgentsOfSHIELDS1E7TheHub The Hub]]", episode, Hand reveals that she's been evaluating Coulson to determine whether he CameBackWrong, so the events of "The Hub" might have been a SecretTestOfCharacter (though still an overly-complex one).



* Presenter Creator/TimShaw has this in his ''Series/CarSOS'' show during the segment he returns restored cars back to their owners. He always goes for the most convoluted scheme, complete with cheesy disguises and fake personae, possible; once even including a full pipe band in order to disguise a car's unique engine note. His co-presenter Creator/FuzzTownshend lampshades it as Tim just liking to dress up and being frustrated {{Pantomime}} dame.

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* Presenter Creator/TimShaw Tim Shaw has this in his ''Series/CarSOS'' ''CarSOS'' show during the segment he returns restored cars back to their owners. He always goes for the most convoluted scheme, complete with cheesy disguises and fake personae, possible; once even including a full pipe band in order to disguise a car's unique engine note. His co-presenter Creator/FuzzTownshend lampshades it as Tim just liking to dress up and being frustrated {{Pantomime}} dame.



** The Master, from both the Roger Delgado incarnation and (especially) the Anthony Ainley incarnation. As the Rani once stated, "he'd get dizzy if he tried to walk in a straight line!" This is an intentional character flaw; Creator/TerranceDicks says the joke with the Master is that he's "the man so intelligent that he can't see the simple things staring him in the face".
** Styggron in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS13E4TheAndroidInvasion "The Android Invasion"]] might have actually conquered Earth had he just sprayed the planet with the impossibly deadly poison that would certainly have killed every human on Earth, rather than spend so much of his time dicking around with robot doubles, {{Gaslighting}} spacemen, and building hyper-realistic training simulations where the pubs are kept fully stocked up with ale but every day on the calendar reads the same date.

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** The Master, from both the Roger Delgado incarnation and (especially) the Anthony Ainley incarnation. As the Rani once stated, "he'd get dizzy if he tried to walk in a straight line!" This is an intentional character flaw; Creator/TerranceDicks says the joke with the Master is that he's "the man so intelligent that he can't see the simple things staring him in the face".
face." This usually tends to blow up in his [[spoiler: or her]] face.
** Styggron in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS13E4TheAndroidInvasion "The Android Invasion"]] might have actually conquered Earth had he just sprayed the planet with the impossibly deadly poison that would certainly have killed every human Human on Earth, rather than spend so much of his time dicking around with robot doubles, {{Gaslighting}} spacemen, and building hyper-realistic training simulations where the pubs are kept fully stocked up with ale but every day on the calendar reads the same date.



** The Doctor himself occasionally falls prey to the disease. More than one Companion has had to point him in the direction of the simple approach when he's started going a little too tangential in his solutions than is tolerable (or safe . . . or sane).

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** The Doctor himself occasionally falls prey to the disease. More than one Companion companion has had to point him in the direction of the simple approach when he's started going a little too tangential in his solutions than is tolerable (or safe . . . or sane).


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*** And then there's the finale of Series 3, a ridiculously complicated GambitRoulette[=/=]BatmanGambit[=/=]MindScrew which...suffice to say, left fans ''very'' divided.
21st Mar '18 5:14:11 AM jormis29
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* In the Tim Conway/Don Knotts movie ''The Private Eyes'', a witness to the Morley murder calls the title characters to Morley Manor, then arranges for every single person in the Manor other than the killer to appear to be murdered, in order to trick the murderer into confessing in front of two police officers. Why he couldn't just go to the police and ''tell'' them who the murderer was never brought up. [[spoiler: Then again, Lord Morley never could get ''anything'' right.]]

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* In the Tim Conway/Don Knotts movie ''The Private Eyes'', ''Film/ThePrivateEyes'', a witness to the Morley murder calls the title characters to Morley Manor, then arranges for every single person in the Manor other than the killer to appear to be murdered, in order to trick the murderer into confessing in front of two police officers. Why he couldn't just go to the police and ''tell'' them who the murderer was never brought up. [[spoiler: Then again, Lord Morley never could get ''anything'' right.]]
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* Justified on ''Series/Deception2018'' as illusionist Cameron explains to the FBI that most illusions (and crimes inspired by them) tend to be ridiculously complex just for the hell of it in order to hide the truth from the audience.
** A Russian mobster makes people think they're on a fake reality TV show as a scheme to eliminate people who would try to defect from his organization.
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