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9th May '16 4:53:30 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''TheMikado'', Lord High Everything Else Pooh-Bah notes that he can not carry out the scheme he, in his capacity as First Lord of the Treasury, just proposed, since "as Leader of the Opposition, it would be my duty to oppose it tooth and nail."

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* In ''TheMikado'', ''Theatre/TheMikado'', Lord High Everything Else Pooh-Bah notes that he can not carry out the scheme he, in his capacity as First Lord of the Treasury, just proposed, since "as Leader of the Opposition, it would be my duty to oppose it tooth and nail."
25th Apr '16 8:03:33 PM jormis29
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* Sergeant Wilson in DadsArmy became known for the catch phrase "Are you sure that's wise, sir?", his favourite way of questioning Captain Mainwaring's judgement

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* Sergeant Wilson in DadsArmy ''Series/DadsArmy'' became known for the catch phrase "Are you sure that's wise, sir?", his favourite way of questioning Captain Mainwaring's judgement



* Wheeler plays this role on ''CaptainPlanetAndThePlaneteers''. One [[http://www.jabootu.com/capplanet.htm website]] mockingly referred to him as the "Dumb White Guy Who Always Says and Does the Wrong Thing," which pretty much sums up the UnfortunateImplications of using a character like this when your main characters are a FiveTokenBand.

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* Wheeler plays this role on ''CaptainPlanetAndThePlaneteers''.''WesternAnimation/CaptainPlanetAndThePlaneteers''. One [[http://www.jabootu.com/capplanet.htm website]] mockingly referred to him as the "Dumb White Guy Who Always Says and Does the Wrong Thing," which pretty much sums up the UnfortunateImplications of using a character like this when your main characters are a FiveTokenBand.
24th Apr '16 10:49:09 AM TVRulezAgain
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* Cera of ''TheLandBeforeTime'' series falls into this trope quite easily. Whether she's just making a snide remark about Littlefoot's latest plan, or getting into an all out fight with him, if there's a plan to be made, there's a flaw for her to point out.

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* Cera of ''TheLandBeforeTime'' ''WesternAnimation/TheLandBeforeTime'' series falls into this trope quite easily. Whether she's just making a snide remark about Littlefoot's latest plan, or getting into an all out fight with him, if there's a plan to be made, there's a flaw for her to point out.
11th Apr '16 8:53:39 AM ObsidianFire
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When especially clichéd, [[{{Foil}} he will oppose anything a hero proposes]]. He'll wail and moan over [[ShootTheDog leaving the refugees]] or [[PetTheDog saving the refugees]]. He'll [[RedShirtArmy be adamant]] about a [[SuicidalOverconfidence suicidal charge]] ''or'' be [[ApatheticCitizens entirely against]] any military action. [[{{Foil}} As a character type]], he's practically [[SchrodingersGun Schrodinger's Gun Lobbyist]]; no matter ''what'' the hero advocates, he's against it. Likewise, his [[TokenEvilTeammate morality]] and GenreSavvy will always be 180 degrees opposite the leader.

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When especially clichéd, [[{{Foil}} he will oppose anything a hero proposes]]. He'll wail and moan over [[ShootTheDog leaving the refugees]] or [[PetTheDog saving the refugees]]. He'll [[RedShirtArmy be adamant]] about a [[SuicidalOverconfidence suicidal charge]] ''or'' be [[ApatheticCitizens entirely against]] any military action. [[{{Foil}} As a character type]], he's practically [[SchrodingersGun Schrodinger's Gun Lobbyist]]; no matter ''what'' the hero advocates, he's against it. Likewise, his [[TokenEvilTeammate morality]] and GenreSavvy will always be 180 degrees opposite the leader.
28th Feb '16 1:24:15 AM MrWaterproof
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*Sergeant Wilson in DadsArmy became known for the catch phrase "Are you sure that's wise, sir?", his favourite way of questioning Captain Mainwaring's judgement
12th Feb '16 5:43:20 AM SteveMB
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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Guderian Heinz Guderian]], one of the 'inventors' of blitzkrieg. He claimed that he was hated by his contemporaries and superior because he was too smart for his own good and they didn't like the way he poked holes in their plans [[CassandraTruth and was basically always right]]. ''In fact'' he was hated because [[{{Narcissist}} he refused to acknowledge others' abilities or contributions and hogged credit for accomplishments, criticised any and all strategies that did not give himself and his forces the most important role]], sucked up to Hitler by taking Hitler's side whenever his superiors disagreed with Hitler and taking care never to contradict or criticise Hitler himself, and presided over the KangarooCourt show-trials that sentenced several hundred fellow officers implicated in the July Plot (to kill Hitler) to death. Despite being a committed Nazi, after the war he claimed that he had secretly opposed Hitler all along and that he had been the only competent senior commander in the entire ''Heer'' - going on to claim that the war had only been lost because his superiors and Hitler had ignored his advice. In reality he was only barely competent - he was single-handedly responsible for the ''Heer'''s near-failure in the battles of Smolensk and Kiev (in both cases he abandoned the operational plan to attack the Soviets' flanks in favour of frontal attacks). His forces also lost the most vehicles and men during Operations ''Barbarossa'' and ''Typhoon'' due to his enthusiasm for frontal attacks and utter contempt for vehicle-repair and logistics. So extreme was his (often one-sided) rivalry with his contemporaries and superiors that his troops actually ''fought other German troops'' during The Battle of Smolensk - Guderian wanted all the captured Soviet trucks for his own troops, since he was losing his own trucks at a far higher rate than anyone else.

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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Guderian Heinz Guderian]], one of the 'inventors' of blitzkrieg. He claimed that he was hated by his contemporaries and superior because he was too smart for his own good and they didn't like the way he poked holes in their plans [[CassandraTruth [[InsufferableGenius and was basically always right]]. ''In fact'' he was hated because [[{{Narcissist}} he refused to acknowledge others' abilities or contributions and hogged credit for accomplishments, criticised any and all strategies that did not give himself and his forces the most important role]], sucked up to Hitler by taking Hitler's side whenever his superiors disagreed with Hitler and taking care never to contradict or criticise Hitler himself, and presided over the KangarooCourt show-trials that sentenced several hundred fellow officers implicated in the July Plot (to kill Hitler) to death. Despite being a committed Nazi, after the war he claimed that he had secretly opposed Hitler all along and that he had been the only competent senior commander in the entire ''Heer'' - going on to claim that the war had only been lost because his superiors and Hitler had ignored his advice. In reality he was only barely competent - he was single-handedly responsible for the ''Heer'''s near-failure in the battles of Smolensk and Kiev (in both cases he abandoned the operational plan to attack the Soviets' flanks in favour of frontal attacks). His forces also lost the most vehicles and men during Operations ''Barbarossa'' and ''Typhoon'' due to his enthusiasm for frontal attacks and utter contempt for vehicle-repair and logistics. So extreme was his (often one-sided) rivalry with his contemporaries and superiors that his troops actually ''fought other German troops'' during The Battle of Smolensk - Guderian wanted all the captured Soviet trucks for his own troops, since he was losing his own trucks at a far higher rate than anyone else.
12th Feb '16 5:41:16 AM SteveMB
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** While an "alternate theory of the crime" that shows the defendant not to be guilty can be very useful in convincing a jury (it's usually the simplest way to poke holes in the prosecution's theory), it is not strictly necessary in a system of presumed innocence. The Defense simply has to convince the court that the prosecution's version of events are WRONG, they don't have to establish what the "real" events would be instead.

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** While [[ThePerryMasonMethod an "alternate theory of the crime" crime"]] that shows the defendant not to be guilty can be very useful in convincing a jury (it's usually the simplest way to poke holes in the prosecution's theory), it is not strictly necessary in a system of presumed innocence. The Defense simply has to convince the court that the prosecution's version of events are WRONG, they don't have to establish what the "real" events would be instead.
29th Dec '15 9:55:20 PM Willbyr
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* Justified in the case of Seija Kijin from ''{{Touhou}}'': Since she's an [[{{youkai}} Amanojaku]], being a contrarian who opposes everyone she interacts with is a part of her very nature. It extends so far that [[BadIsGoodAndGoodIsBad she likes what others hate, and hates herself when she makes others happy]]. This personality trait, of course, makes her very disliked, a fact she loves.

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* Justified in the case of Seija Kijin from ''{{Touhou}}'': ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'': Since she's an [[{{youkai}} Amanojaku]], being a contrarian who opposes everyone she interacts with is a part of her very nature. It extends so far that [[BadIsGoodAndGoodIsBad she likes what others hate, and hates herself when she makes others happy]]. This personality trait, of course, makes her very disliked, a fact she loves.



* In ''ShinMegamiTensei'', your two male allies represent law and chaos respectively, and wants you to go along with their ideology; as such, whenever you make a decision leaning in one direction, the other ally will call you out for it. For example, when a beggar asks you for money, refusing will result in the law hero criticizing you for your lack of compassion; but if you agree then the chaos hero will protest that it's a waste of money and you need it better yourself.

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* In ''ShinMegamiTensei'', ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'', your two male allies represent law and chaos respectively, and wants you to go along with their ideology; as such, whenever you make a decision leaning in one direction, the other ally will call you out for it. For example, when a beggar asks you for money, refusing will result in the law hero criticizing you for your lack of compassion; but if you agree then the chaos hero will protest that it's a waste of money and you need it better yourself.
13th Dec '15 5:35:38 PM nombretomado
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* In ''any'' Franchise/{{X-Men}} adaptation where [[TheCaptain Cyclops]] is in charge, [[TheLancer Wolverine]] will always be there to snark at, insult, or generally disagree with him.

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* In ''any'' Franchise/{{X-Men}} Franchise/XMen adaptation where [[TheCaptain Cyclops]] is in charge, [[TheLancer Wolverine]] will always be there to snark at, insult, or generally disagree with him.
10th Dec '15 5:45:43 PM SgtFrog1
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** The Republicans may end up being VindicatedByHistory due to looking back on Obama's presidency, noticing that he tried to avoid angering anybody, and ended up doing the opposite.
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