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17th Feb '17 6:16:18 PM eroock
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See also RebelliousRebel. HilarityEnsues when CommanderContrarian's companion is a YesMan. Contrast with YesMan. Compare SarcasticDevotee.

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See also RebelliousRebel. HilarityEnsues when CommanderContrarian's Commander Contrarian's companion is a YesMan. Contrast with YesMan. Compare SarcasticDevotee.
14th Feb '17 9:48:06 AM DarthNANAME
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14th Feb '17 9:46:11 AM DarthNANAME
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* Throughout UsefulNotes/BarackObama's presidency, the Republican party has faced criticism for excessively disagreeing with Obama on many policies, leading to the "[[{{Memes/Politics}} Thanks, Obama!" meme]].
** The Republicans may end up being VindicatedByHistory due to looking back on Obama's presidency, noticing that he tried to avoid angering anybody, and ended up doing the opposite.
30th Dec '16 9:34:55 PM Ramona122003
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** In point of fact, ''all'' of the first officers of the ''Franchise/StarTrek'' series usually act like this, especially with regard to the [[AlienNonInterferenceClause Prime Directive]]. Picard, at least, believes that that is the job of the first officer: to contradict and question the captain when necessary -- which (as he notes in "Encounter At Farpoint") is why he picked Riker (who had such an incident on his record). Starfleet captains are supposed to pick an executive officer that should have a different personality (although one he can get along with). This because Starfleet captains have a fairly loose leash, and as such there should always be a second opinion on if the choices they make are the right ones.

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** In point of fact, ''all'' of the first officers of the ''Franchise/StarTrek'' series usually act like this, especially with regard to the [[AlienNonInterferenceClause Prime Directive]]. Picard, at least, believes that that it is the job of the first officer: to contradict and question the captain when necessary -- which (as he notes in "Encounter At Farpoint") is why he picked Riker (who had such an incident on his record). Starfleet captains are supposed to pick an executive officer that should have a different personality (although one he can get along with). This because Starfleet captains have a fairly loose leash, and as such there should always be a second opinion on if the choices they make are the right ones.
26th Dec '16 8:30:23 PM nombretomado
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* Alex Drake plays this role often in ''AshesToAshes''. Particularly notable in two first season episodes - in one she tells Gene to trust his hunch even though all the evidence is stacked against it and follows through to find that the guy he suspected did pull the job. (Notable for being just about the only time Alex was right about anything..) The very next episode she is insistent that Gene shouldn't target a guy for a robbery, even though it becomes increasingly obvious he did it. She remains unapologetic at the end of the episode, even though her handling of affairs resulted in an officer getting stabbed and the suspect being brutally beaten..

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* Alex Drake plays this role often in ''AshesToAshes''.''Series/AshesToAshes''. Particularly notable in two first season episodes - in one she tells Gene to trust his hunch even though all the evidence is stacked against it and follows through to find that the guy he suspected did pull the job. (Notable for being just about the only time Alex was right about anything..) The very next episode she is insistent that Gene shouldn't target a guy for a robbery, even though it becomes increasingly obvious he did it. She remains unapologetic at the end of the episode, even though her handling of affairs resulted in an officer getting stabbed and the suspect being brutally beaten..
5th Dec '16 1:25:48 AM animenutcase
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* When you finally face Undyne in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'', she's angry with you regardless of how you've played. Her anger is justified in a [[KillEmAll No Mercy]] route, and to a lesser extent a Neutral one, where she'll even call you out if you killed specific characters (''[[TranquilFury Especially]]'' if you killed Papyrus), commenting that she thought humans were compassionate, and claims that you killed them because it was easy for you, rather than self-defense. If you've played as a pacifist, her anger gets flimsier, where she says she thought humans were cool, but you're just a wimp. She also thinks it's just an act. It's very clear that Undyne doesn't want to face the moral implications of killing the protagonist (who is blatantly a child), so she's making excuses for why they need to die anyway.

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* When you finally face Undyne in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'', she's angry with you regardless of how you've played. Her anger is justified in a [[KillEmAll No Mercy]] route, and to a lesser extent a Neutral one, where she'll even call you out if you killed specific characters (''[[TranquilFury Especially]]'' if you killed Papyrus), commenting that she thought humans were compassionate, and claims that you killed them because it was easy for you, rather than self-defense. If you've played as a pacifist, her anger justification gets flimsier, where she says she thought humans were cool, but you're just a wimp. She also thinks it's just an act. It's very It soon becomes clear that Undyne doesn't want to face the moral implications of killing the protagonist (who is blatantly a child), so she's making excuses for why they need to die anyway.
19th Nov '16 3:09:05 PM ZeroL
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CommanderContrarian doesn't just carry the ConflictBall, he holds the world hackey-sack record for keeping it aloft. His main purpose in the plot is to naysay and find flaws in the hero's plans so the other can fight physical and social obstacles. They might be legitimate concerns, but are usually spurious. This can be either because Commander Contrarian is AlphaBitch, [[GreenEyedMonster jealous]] [[DividedWeFall of the hero's position]] (like a good aligned [[TheStarscream Starscream]]), a GrumpyBear, or just a plain ol' {{Jerkass}}.

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CommanderContrarian [[TitleDrop Commander Contrarian]] doesn't just carry the ConflictBall, he holds the world hackey-sack record for keeping it aloft. His main purpose in the plot is to naysay and find flaws in the hero's plans so the other can fight physical and social obstacles. They might be legitimate concerns, but are usually spurious. This can be either because Commander Contrarian is AlphaBitch, [[GreenEyedMonster jealous]] [[DividedWeFall of the hero's position]] (like a good aligned [[TheStarscream Starscream]]), a GrumpyBear, or just a plain ol' {{Jerkass}}.
3rd Nov '16 9:38:15 PM animenutcase
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* When you finally face Undyne in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'', she's angry with you regardless of how you've played. Her anger is justified in a [[KillEmAll No Mercy]] route, and to a lesser extent a Neutral one, where she'll even call you out if you killed specific characters (''[[TranquilFury Especially]]'' if you killed Papyrus), commenting that she thought humans were compassionate, and claims that you killed them because it was easy for you, rather than self-defense. If you've played as a pacifist, her anger gets flimsier, where she said she thought humans were cool, but you're just a wimp. She also thinks it's just an act. It's very clear that Undyne doesn't want to face the moral implications of killing the protagonist (who is blatantly a child), so she's making excuses for why they need to die anyway.

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* When you finally face Undyne in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'', she's angry with you regardless of how you've played. Her anger is justified in a [[KillEmAll No Mercy]] route, and to a lesser extent a Neutral one, where she'll even call you out if you killed specific characters (''[[TranquilFury Especially]]'' if you killed Papyrus), commenting that she thought humans were compassionate, and claims that you killed them because it was easy for you, rather than self-defense. If you've played as a pacifist, her anger gets flimsier, where she said says she thought humans were cool, but you're just a wimp. She also thinks it's just an act. It's very clear that Undyne doesn't want to face the moral implications of killing the protagonist (who is blatantly a child), so she's making excuses for why they need to die anyway.
3rd Nov '16 9:37:15 PM animenutcase
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* When you finally face Undyne in ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'', she's angry with you regardless of how you've played. Her anger is justified in a [[KillEmAll No Mercy]] route, and to a lesser extent a Neutral one, where she'll even call you out if you killed specific characters (''[[TranquilFury Especially]]'' if you killed Papyrus), commenting that she thought humans were compassionate, and claims that you killed them because it was easy for you, rather than self-defense. If you've played as a pacifist, her anger gets flimsier, where she said she thought humans were cool, but you're just a wimp. She also thinks it's just an act. It's very clear that Undyne doesn't want to face the moral implications of killing the protagonist (who is blatantly a child), so she's making excuses for why they need to die anyway.
30th Oct '16 1:19:56 PM SimiOfDoom
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* Kallor from ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' rarely agrees with the strategy suggested by the Alliance and is openly disgusted by the plan to [[spoiler: leave the conquered Coral to the Malazans]]. As only the second in command, he tends to be overruled, though.
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