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16th May '18 4:36:28 AM Gaucelm
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** This is an anime-only problem. The manga always [[FairPlayWhodunnit plays fair]] although the cases can be... ''difficult'' to solve, to say the least. From time to time, the anime also [[http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/1382/snapshot200606081222515su.png overlooks or messes up important clues]] that make cases (or arcs!) much harder or even impossible to solve, like the extremely subtle uneven borders of [[http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7467/0014jn.png Jodie's pictures of pictures]] that revealed she wasn't the villainous MasterOfDisguise.

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** This is an anime-only problem. The manga always [[FairPlayWhodunnit plays fair]] although the cases can be... ''difficult'' to solve, to say the least. From time to time, the anime also [[http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/1382/snapshot200606081222515su.png overlooks or messes up important clues]] clues that make cases (or arcs!) much harder or even impossible to solve, like the extremely subtle uneven borders of [[http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/7467/0014jn.png Jodie's [Jodie's pictures of pictures]] pictures that revealed she wasn't the villainous MasterOfDisguise.
14th Mar '18 3:36:51 PM Xtifr
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* The Literature/NeroWolfe mysteries are often called Clueless Mysteries since, like the Holmes stories, the reader only knows what ''Archie'' knows, but in fact, RexStout was scrupulous about letting his readers know if Archie (and therefore ''they'') didn't have enough information to come up with the solution himself before the grand reveal. Considering how often Nero deliberately kept Archie in the dark about one or more facets of the investigation, it's not surprising that some of the stories are effectively unsolvable for the reader.

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* The Literature/NeroWolfe mysteries are often called Clueless Mysteries since, like the Holmes stories, the reader only knows what ''Archie'' knows, but in fact, RexStout Creator/RexStout was scrupulous about letting his readers know if Archie (and therefore ''they'') didn't have enough information to come up with the solution himself before the grand reveal. Considering how often Nero deliberately kept Archie in the dark about one or more facets of the investigation, it's not surprising that some of the stories are effectively unsolvable for the reader.
14th Mar '18 1:15:45 AM themerryman
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* The 12th case of ''VideoGame/LaytonsMysteryJourneyKatrielleAndTheMillionairesConspiracy'', hides the most damning evidence that [[spoiler:Ernest is actually Miles Richmond, and thus in turn Lord Adamas, namely that the book in the grandchild's room is "Ernest Shockleton, Surprise Explorer", written by "Richard Greeves",]] until after the big reveal a short while after Katrielle first discovers it. This is somewhat [[JustifiedTrope justified]] given how obvious it would be, ruining the dramatic reveal. Outside of this one thing though there isn't a whole lot else that actually points to [[spoiler:Ernest]]. Although if a player is really on the ball, they'll realize that [[spoier:Ernest being the only male in the entire case who's young enough to have been a kid 10 years ago makes him the only possible Candidate, if you assume that the grandchild, and by extension Lord Adamas, is one of the already established characters.]] Although whether that process of elimination counts as a fair whodunnit is up for debate. The case also withholds other vital information from the player related to the truth behind the "millionaires conspiracy", like the documents Katrielle discovers, and the information she had gotten her allies at Scotland Yard to uncover for her off screen.

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* The 12th case of ''VideoGame/LaytonsMysteryJourneyKatrielleAndTheMillionairesConspiracy'', hides the most damning evidence that [[spoiler:Ernest is actually Miles Richmond, and thus in turn Lord Adamas, namely that the book in the grandchild's room is "Ernest Shockleton, Surprise Explorer", written by "Richard Greeves",]] until after the big reveal a short while after Katrielle first discovers it. This is somewhat [[JustifiedTrope justified]] given how obvious it would be, ruining the dramatic reveal. Outside of this one thing though there isn't a whole lot else that actually points to [[spoiler:Ernest]]. Although if a player is really on the ball, they'll realize that [[spoier:Ernest [[spoiler:Ernest being the only male in the entire case who's young enough to have been a kid 10 years ago makes him the only possible Candidate, if you assume that the grandchild, and by extension Lord Adamas, is one of the already established characters.]] Although whether that process of elimination counts as a fair whodunnit is up for debate. The case also withholds other vital information from the player related to the truth behind the "millionaires conspiracy", like the documents Katrielle discovers, and the information she had gotten her allies at Scotland Yard to uncover for her off screen.
14th Mar '18 1:15:07 AM themerryman
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* The 12th case of ''VideoGame/LaytonsMysteryJourneyKatrielleAndTheMillionairesConspiracy'', hides the most damning evidence that [[spoiler:Ernest is actually Miles Richmond, and thus in turn Lord Adamas, namely that the book in the grandchild's room is "Ernest Shockleton, Surprise Explorer", written by "Richard Greeves",]] until after the big reveal a short while after Katrielle first discovers it. This is somewhat [[JustifiedTrope justified]] given how obvious it would be, ruining the dramatic reveal. Outside of this one thing though there isn't a whole lot else that actually points to [[spoiler:Ernest]]. Although if a player is really on the ball, they'll realize that [[spoier:Ernest being the only male in the entire case who's young enough to have been a kid 10 years ago makes him the only possible Candidate, if you assume that the grandchild, and by extension Lord Adamas, is one of the already established characters. Although whether that process of elimination counts as a fair whodunnit is up for debate. The case also withholds other vital information from the player related to the truth behind the "millionaires conspiracy", like the documents Katrielle discovers, and the information she had gotten her allies at Scotland Yard to uncover for her off screen.

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* The 12th case of ''VideoGame/LaytonsMysteryJourneyKatrielleAndTheMillionairesConspiracy'', hides the most damning evidence that [[spoiler:Ernest is actually Miles Richmond, and thus in turn Lord Adamas, namely that the book in the grandchild's room is "Ernest Shockleton, Surprise Explorer", written by "Richard Greeves",]] until after the big reveal a short while after Katrielle first discovers it. This is somewhat [[JustifiedTrope justified]] given how obvious it would be, ruining the dramatic reveal. Outside of this one thing though there isn't a whole lot else that actually points to [[spoiler:Ernest]]. Although if a player is really on the ball, they'll realize that [[spoier:Ernest being the only male in the entire case who's young enough to have been a kid 10 years ago makes him the only possible Candidate, if you assume that the grandchild, and by extension Lord Adamas, is one of the already established characters. ]] Although whether that process of elimination counts as a fair whodunnit is up for debate. The case also withholds other vital information from the player related to the truth behind the "millionaires conspiracy", like the documents Katrielle discovers, and the information she had gotten her allies at Scotland Yard to uncover for her off screen.
14th Mar '18 1:14:29 AM themerryman
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* The 12th case of ''VideoGame/LaytonsMysteryJourneyKatrielleAndTheMillionairesConspiracy'', hides the most damning evidence that [[spoiler:Ernest is actually Miles Richmond, and thus in turn Lord Adamas, namely that the book in the grandchild's room is "Ernest Shockleton, Surprise Explorer", written by "Richard Greeves", until after the big reveal a short while after Katrielle first discovers it. This is somewhat [[JustifiedTrope justified]] given how obvious it would be, ruining the dramatic reveal. Outside of this one thing though there isn't a whole lot else that actually points to [[spoiler:Ernest]], although an especially observant player may realize that [[spoiler:Ernest is the only male in the cast who seems around the right age to to be the grown up grandchild]]. The case also withholding other vital information from the player, like the documents Katrielle discovers, and the information she had gotten her allies at Scotland Yard to uncover for her off screen, are more up for debate though.

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* The 12th case of ''VideoGame/LaytonsMysteryJourneyKatrielleAndTheMillionairesConspiracy'', hides the most damning evidence that [[spoiler:Ernest is actually Miles Richmond, and thus in turn Lord Adamas, namely that the book in the grandchild's room is "Ernest Shockleton, Surprise Explorer", written by "Richard Greeves", Greeves",]] until after the big reveal a short while after Katrielle first discovers it. This is somewhat [[JustifiedTrope justified]] given how obvious it would be, ruining the dramatic reveal. Outside of this one thing though there isn't a whole lot else that actually points to [[spoiler:Ernest]], although an especially observant [[spoiler:Ernest]]. Although if a player may is really on the ball, they'll realize that [[spoiler:Ernest is [[spoier:Ernest being the only male in the cast who seems around entire case who's young enough to have been a kid 10 years ago makes him the right age to to be only possible Candidate, if you assume that the grown grandchild, and by extension Lord Adamas, is one of the already established characters. Although whether that process of elimination counts as a fair whodunnit is up grandchild]]. for debate. The case also withholding withholds other vital information from the player, player related to the truth behind the "millionaires conspiracy", like the documents Katrielle discovers, and the information she had gotten her allies at Scotland Yard to uncover for her off screen, are more up for debate though.screen.
14th Mar '18 1:00:13 AM themerryman
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* The 12th case of ''VideoGame/LaytonsMysteryJourneyKatrielleAndTheMillionairesConspiracy'', hides the most damning evidence that [[spoiler:Ernest is actually Miles Richmond, and thus in turn Lord Adamas]], until after the big reveal a short while after Katrielle first discovers it. Although outside of this piece of evidence, there's nothing at all that links [[spoiler:Ernest to the identity of Lord Adamas or the Richmond family, outside of him seemingly being around the right sort of age to be the grandchild of Maximilian. The only other "clue" even vaguely pointing to Ernest was a few off-handed moments where he acted a little strange.]] Although withholding the damning proof is at least smewhat justified given how obvious it'd be if the player did get to see it for themselves, therefore ruining the dramatic reveal. The case also withholding other vital information from the player, like the documents Katrielle discovers, and the information she had gotten her allies at Scotland Yard to uncover for her off screen, are more up for debate though.

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* The 12th case of ''VideoGame/LaytonsMysteryJourneyKatrielleAndTheMillionairesConspiracy'', hides the most damning evidence that [[spoiler:Ernest is actually Miles Richmond, and thus in turn Lord Adamas]], Adamas, namely that the book in the grandchild's room is "Ernest Shockleton, Surprise Explorer", written by "Richard Greeves", until after the big reveal a short while after Katrielle first discovers it. Although outside of this piece of evidence, there's nothing at all that links [[spoiler:Ernest to the identity of Lord Adamas or the Richmond family, outside of him seemingly being around the right sort of age to be the grandchild of Maximilian. The only other "clue" even vaguely pointing to Ernest was a few off-handed moments where he acted a little strange.]] Although withholding the damning proof This is at least smewhat justified somewhat [[JustifiedTrope justified]] given how obvious it'd be if the player did get to see it for themselves, therefore would be, ruining the dramatic reveal.reveal. Outside of this one thing though there isn't a whole lot else that actually points to [[spoiler:Ernest]], although an especially observant player may realize that [[spoiler:Ernest is the only male in the cast who seems around the right age to to be the grown up grandchild]]. The case also withholding other vital information from the player, like the documents Katrielle discovers, and the information she had gotten her allies at Scotland Yard to uncover for her off screen, are more up for debate though.
14th Mar '18 12:46:52 AM themerryman
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* The 12th case of ''VideoGame/LaytonsMysteryJourneyKatrielleAndTheMillionairesConspiracy'', hides the most damning evidence that [[spoiler:Ernest is actually Miles Richmond, and thus in turn Lord Adamas]], until after the big reveal a short while after Katrielle first discovers it. Although outside of this piece of evidence, there's nothing at all that links [[spoiler:Ernest to the identity of Lord Adamas or the Richmond family, outside of him seemingly being around the right sort of age to be the grandchild of Maximilian. The only other "clue" even vaguely pointing to Ernest was a few off-handed moments where he acted a little strange.]] Although withholding the damning proof is at least smewhat justified given how obvious it'd be if the player did get to see it for themselves, therefore ruining the dramatic reveal. The case also withholding other vital information from the player, like the documents Katrielle discovers, and the information she had gotten her allies at Scotland Yard to uncover for her off screen, are more up for debate though.
4th Jan '18 5:09:09 PM MichaelKatsuro
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*** There's also a major and obvious-in-hindsight clue given in the penultimate chapter where the police sum up the evidence: namely, that [[spoiler:the gun was found outside of Wargrave's room, instead of in the room where Vera -- seemingly the last owner of it and the last person alive on the island -- hanged herself]]. Most readers are unlikely to spot this clue during their first reading, however, as the police unwittingly bark up the wrong tree entirely (and by extension, the unknowing reader too) by not even ''considering'' that [[spoiler:anyone outside of Armstrong, Blore, Lombard, or Vera could have been the murderer, even when they systematically prove it impossible that any of these four could have done it]].

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*** ** There's also a major and obvious-in-hindsight clue given in the penultimate chapter where the police sum up the evidence: namely, that [[spoiler:the gun was found outside of Wargrave's room, instead of in the room where Vera -- seemingly Vera--seemingly the last owner of it and the last person alive on the island -- hanged herself]]. Most readers are unlikely to spot this clue during their first reading, however, as the police unwittingly bark up the wrong tree entirely (and by extension, the unknowing reader too) by not even ''considering'' that [[spoiler:anyone outside of Armstrong, Blore, Lombard, or Vera could have been the murderer, even when they systematically prove it impossible that any of these four could have done it]].



* One Literature/EncyclopediaBrown vs Bugs Meany caper was titled "The Case of The Missing Clues".
** This one is something of a [[SubvertedTrope subversion,]] though. The client in the mystery is a boy who has been selling fresh fruit from a stand on the side of the road; Bugs comes by every day and demands a generous helping of fruit for free, claiming that he is offering "protection" for the boy. On the day that Encyclopedia takes the case, Bugs makes off with a bag of cherries. When Encyclopedia and his client enter Bugs's clubhouse, they find him with an empty bag, but Bugs claims that he bought the cherries elsewhere, and has been eating them since he got back to his hideout. Encyclopedia investigates, and immediately determines that Bugs is lying. The mystery is how he knew, and the solution reveals that [[ConvictionByContradiction if Bugs had been eating the cherries in the clubhouse, there would be stems and pits lying on the floor]], and as there aren't any, he must have made up the story and eaten the fruit on his way there. So yes, the mystery is literally clueless--but in this case, [[FridgeBrilliance the absence of clues is the clue!]]

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* One Literature/EncyclopediaBrown vs Bugs Meany caper was titled "The Case of The Missing Clues".
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Clues". This one is something of a [[SubvertedTrope subversion,]] though. The client in the mystery is a boy who has been selling fresh fruit from a stand on the side of the road; Bugs comes by every day and demands a generous helping of fruit for free, claiming that he is offering "protection" for the boy. On the day that Encyclopedia takes the case, Bugs makes off with a bag of cherries. When Encyclopedia and his client enter Bugs's clubhouse, they find him with an empty bag, but Bugs claims that he bought the cherries elsewhere, and has been eating them since he got back to his hideout. Encyclopedia investigates, and immediately determines that Bugs is lying. The mystery is how he knew, and the solution reveals that [[ConvictionByContradiction if Bugs had been eating the cherries in the clubhouse, there would be stems and pits lying on the floor]], and as there aren't any, he must have made up the story and eaten the fruit on his way there. So yes, the mystery is literally clueless--but in this case, [[FridgeBrilliance the absence of clues is the clue!]]
1st Jan '18 12:48:18 PM Wyvernil
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** Case [[spoiler:5]] is not ordinarily solvable. The workings of it are revealed afterwards, but it is intentionally a Clueless Mystery to both the protagonist and the player.

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** Case [[spoiler:5]] is not ordinarily solvable. The workings of it are revealed afterwards, but it is intentionally a Clueless Mystery to both the protagonist and the player. [[spoiler:This is because the case was faked by the mastermind themselves; they had become desperate to get rid of the protagonists and fabricated a murder to pin it on them. The sixth case is devoted to unearthing the truth, as well as the mastermind's true identity.]]
19th Dec '17 6:26:50 PM nombretomado
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* ''Series/VeronicaMars'' pulled this with Lily's murderer. To quote [[TVTrash Rowdy C]]:

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* ''Series/VeronicaMars'' pulled this with Lily's murderer. To quote [[TVTrash [[WebVideo/TVTrash Rowdy C]]:
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