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12th Jul '17 8:59:40 PM Luc
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* The Literature/LordPeterWimsey novel ''Five Red Herrings'' is an edge case, with some people holding it's a FairPlayMystery (although a devilishly challenging one) and others holding that it's this. The detailed inventory of the victim's painting kit is the sticking point -- the reader is never explicitly told what Wimsey noticed about it that gave him the information he needed to identify the murderer, but the list of what ''is there'' is missing an item that ''should be there''. The dispute hinges on whether it's fair to expect the reader to know what items an oil painter absolutely would have in his kit when he's going out to paint a landscape, or not.

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* The Literature/LordPeterWimsey novel ''Five Red Herrings'' is an edge case, with some people holding it's a FairPlayMystery (although a devilishly challenging one) and others holding that it's this. The detailed inventory of the victim's painting kit is the sticking point -- the reader is never explicitly told what Wimsey noticed about it that gave him the information he needed to identify the murderer, but the list of what ''is there'' is missing an item that ''should be there''. The dispute hinges on whether it's fair to expect the reader to know what items an oil painter absolutely would have in his kit when he's going out to paint a landscape, or not. (On the Fair Play side, we're told the relevant conclusion well before the conclusion: That the scene was set up by the killer, something is missing, and that the missing item is only really important in that it indicates the scene was set.)
4th Jun '17 8:33:33 AM thatother1dude
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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': This trope has gradually crept into the central plot in regards to the circumstances of [[spoiler: Pink Diamond's]] death. After seemingly getting our answer in the end of season 4 with Jasper's revelation that it was [[spoiler: Rose Quartz]] who shattered her, the question has been reopened as of the ''Wanted'' arc, wherein the luckless Zircon assigned to make [[spoiler: Steven's case before the Diamonds]] comes to the [[EurekaMoment Sudden Realization]] that the official story is completely full of holes, and that it simply wouldn't have been possible for her to get close enough to strike, at least not without [[spoiler: one of the other Diamonds]] being in on the conspiracy.
2nd Jun '17 8:29:22 PM CaptainCapsase
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* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': This trope has gradually crept into the central plot in regards to the circumstances of [[spoiler: Pink Diamond's]] death. After seemingly getting our answer in the end of season 4 with Jasper's revelation that it was [[spoiler: Rose Quartz]] who shattered her, the question has been reopened as of the ''Wanted'' arc, wherein the luckless Zircon assigned to make [[spoiler: Steven's case before the Diamonds]] comes to the [[EurekaMoment Sudden Realization]] that the official story is completely full of holes, and that it simply wouldn't have been possible for her to get close enough to strike, at least not without [[spoiler: one of the other Diamonds]] being in on the conspiracy.
30th Apr '17 4:42:29 PM Luc
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*** To be mildly fair to Doyle, some of the examples are '''almost''' "fair play", in that we have ''almost'' all the evidence that Holmes has; in The Hound of the Baskervilles, for example, the fact that Holmes fixates on the portrait, and yet it looks nothing like either of the contemporary Baskervilles we know about, along with the evidence we have that indicates that there is a human being involved in the "haunting", gives us a strong hint that [[spoiler:we've met somebody who closely resembles the portrait]].
28th Apr '17 4:09:10 PM Iknewwhothekillerwas
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* Any time that Jason is not the killer in a Franchise/FridayThe13th movie, the audience is not given any sort of clue as to who the killer is. In the first movie, the killer isn't one of the many red herrings, is never mentioned, and isn't seen until the reveal. [[spoiler: The killer is the mother of a child who drowned at camp. The drowning is mentioned along with some other incidents, but she, herself, is never mentioned. When her hands are seen wielding a knife, they are actually the hands of one of the male crew members working on the film, so that even gender cannot be determined.]]

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* Any time that Jason is not the killer in a Franchise/FridayThe13th ''Franchise/FridayThe13th'' movie, the audience is not given any sort of clue as to who the killer is. In the first movie, the killer [[spoiler: isn't one of the many red herrings, is never mentioned, and isn't seen until the reveal. [[spoiler: The killer is the mother of a child who drowned at camp. The drowning is mentioned along with some other incidents, but she, herself, is never mentioned. When her hands are seen wielding a knife, they are actually the hands of one of the male crew members working on the film, so that even gender cannot be determined.]]
28th Apr '17 5:42:41 AM Iknewwhothekillerwas
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* Any time that Jason is not the killer in a Franchise/FridayThe13th movie, the audience is not given any sort of clue as to who the killer is. In the first movie, the killer isn't one of the many red herrings, is never mentioned, and isn't seen until the reveal. [[spoiler: The killer is the mother of a child who drowned at camp. The drowning is mentioned along with some other incidents, but she, herself, is never mentioned. When her hands are seen wielding a knife, they are actually the hands of one of the male crew members working on the film, so that even gender cannot be determined.]]
24th Mar '17 10:06:51 AM KamenRiderOokalf
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** {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/WhatsNewScoobyDoo?'' that took place in Greece. At the end of the episode, Velma explains all the evidence that suggested that the archaeologist was behind the centaur attacks, and unmasks the creature to reveal... a woman that she doesn't know. (The audience does; she was the archaeologist's partner who appeared in the teaser before Mystery Inc. ever showed up.) Velma immediately starts complaining that this shouldn't count against her perfect record.

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** {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/WhatsNewScoobyDoo?'' ''WesternAnimation/WhatsNewScoobyDoo'' that took place in Greece. At the end of the episode, Velma explains all the evidence that suggested that the archaeologist was behind the centaur attacks, and unmasks the creature to reveal... a woman that she doesn't know. (The audience does; she was the archaeologist's partner who appeared in the teaser before Mystery Inc. ever showed up.) Velma immediately starts complaining that this shouldn't count against her perfect record.
26th Jan '17 12:18:44 PM Gosicrystal
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* While the actual puzzles of Franchise/ProfessorLayton are usually solvable and provide you with enough clues or hints to solve it on your own, the plot of each game is typically resolved near the end of the game with a bunch of clues that Layton found while you've been exploring and has been keeping coy about. They also have a tendency to incorporate some rather outlandish technology or other explanation into the mix.
* ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' uses this trope as a plot point. Even the characters can't agree on whether it's a FairPlayWhodunnit or a Clueless Mystery. Should be mentioned the trailer did say "No Knox. No Dine. No [[FairPlayWhodunnit Fair]]". [[spoiler: By the end, clues are abundant - but lacking any kind of final[[TheReveal reveal]], there's no ultimately correct way to interpret them.]]

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* While the actual puzzles of Franchise/ProfessorLayton ''Franchise/ProfessorLayton'' are usually solvable and provide you with enough clues or hints to solve it on your own, the plot of each game is typically resolved near the end of the game with a bunch of clues that Layton found while you've been exploring and has been keeping coy about. They also have a tendency to incorporate some rather outlandish technology or other explanation into the mix.
* ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' uses this trope as a plot point. Even the characters can't agree on whether it's a FairPlayWhodunnit or a Clueless Mystery. Should be mentioned the trailer did say "No Knox. No Dine. No [[FairPlayWhodunnit Fair]]". [[spoiler: By the end, clues are abundant - but lacking any kind of final[[TheReveal reveal]], there's no ultimately correct way to interpret them.]]
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* ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' uses this trope as a plot point. Even the characters can't agree on whether it's a FairPlayWhodunnit or a Clueless Mystery. Should be mentioned the trailer did say "No Knox. No Dine. No [[FairPlayWhodunnit Fair]]". [[spoiler: By the end, clues are abundant - but lacking any kind of final[[TheReveal reveal]], there's no ultimately correct way to interpret them.]]
9th Dec '16 7:59:27 PM benda
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* ''Film/TheTurkishGambit'', an adaptation of the eponymous Literature/ErastFandorin book, changed the identity of the Turkish spy in the Russian camp. In the book, he was one of those the clues pointed to, while in the movie, all the clues were red herrings, and the real spy was somebody else entirely, whom Fandorin accused based on evidence never shown onscreen before (though its existence has been hinted at early on).

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* ''Film/TheTurkishGambit'', an adaptation of the eponymous Literature/ErastFandorin book, changed the identity of the Turkish spy in the Russian camp. In the book, he was one of those the clues pointed to, while in the movie, all the clues were red herrings, and the real spy was somebody else entirely, whom Fandorin accused based on evidence never shown onscreen before (though its existence has had been hinted at early on).
9th Dec '16 7:58:59 PM benda
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* ''Film/TheTurkishGambit'', an adaptation of the eponymous Literature/ErastFandorin book, changed the identity of the Turkish spy in the Russian camp. In the book, he was one of those the clues pointed to, while in the movie, all the clues were red herrings, and the real spy was somebody else entirely, whom Fandorin accused based on evidence never shown onscreen before.

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* ''Film/TheTurkishGambit'', an adaptation of the eponymous Literature/ErastFandorin book, changed the identity of the Turkish spy in the Russian camp. In the book, he was one of those the clues pointed to, while in the movie, all the clues were red herrings, and the real spy was somebody else entirely, whom Fandorin accused based on evidence never shown onscreen before.before (though its existence has been hinted at early on).
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