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21st Apr '16 12:28:46 PM Ninja857142
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--->'''[=TheMysteriousMrEnter=]:''' In LaymansTerms, the moral is if you’re being bullied, you should just go to an adult and they’ll make everything okay, even though the adult in this situation, Applejack, did absolutely nothing throughout the whole episode. You know like when she probably saw Apple Bloom sleeping on the floor. I wonder how insulting this moral is to victims of bullying whose adults in their life could not or would not do jacks*** to stop their bullying problem. And yes, it happens, more often than you think, and more often than episodes like this would have you believe... So what's the one-size-fits-all solution? There is none. No two bullying situations are the same, and pretending that there's one answer that can solve it all really pisses me off. People, children and teens have been driven to suicide because the adults in their life would not or could not do anything about bullying. And suggesting that taking a stand against your bullying makes you a bully as well makes this awful moral even more difficult to stomach. Yes, telling an adult is the first thing you should do, but that's ''never'' where it ends. ''Ever.''

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--->'''[=TheMysteriousMrEnter=]:''' --->'''The Mysterious Mr. Enter:''' In LaymansTerms, the moral is if you’re being bullied, you should just go to an adult and they’ll make everything okay, even though the adult in this situation, Applejack, did absolutely nothing throughout the whole episode. You know like when she probably saw Apple Bloom sleeping on the floor. I wonder how insulting this moral is to victims of bullying whose adults in their life could not or would not do jacks*** to stop their bullying problem. And yes, it happens, more often than you think, and more often than episodes like this would have you believe... So what's the one-size-fits-all solution? There is none. No two bullying situations are the same, and pretending that there's one answer that can solve it all really pisses me off. People, children and teens have been driven to suicide because the adults in their life would not or could not do anything about bullying. And suggesting that taking a stand against your bullying makes you a bully as well makes this awful moral even more difficult to stomach. Yes, telling an adult is the first thing you should do, but that's ''never'' where it ends. ''Ever.''
13th Apr '16 2:03:25 PM NNinja
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** Whenever the X-Men comics or adaptations deal with some sort of mutant "cure," it always implies that mutants who go through with the procedure are sell-outs betraying their peers. The intended Aesop is that you shouldn't give up the things that make you unique for the sake of fitting in, but the reason this fails is because A) Any decisions you make regarding your own body are personal and shouldn't be up for public debate, and B) Many mutants have powers that make it difficult or impossible for them to live normal lives, whether it's due to an inhuman appearance or having powers outside their control (hence why Rogue is almost always involved in such storylines). However, the aesop of "You have every right to change the things you don't like about yourself" is a bit harder to sell than "Be yourself even if it makes your life more difficult."
13th Apr '16 4:58:33 AM SSJMagus
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* In ''[[Anime/{{Naruto}} Naruto]]'' the story treats as if revenge is a bad thing as it will directly lead to the CycleOfRevenge, and in turn war. But rather than focusing on the reasonable example of warring factions (such as Sasuke seemingly killing Killer Bee which prompted the Raikage to seek revenge), most of the attention goes to the traditional loner villains like Orochimaru or [[spoiler: Obito]] who have no or next to no relationship ties to make the CycleOfRevenge take place at all. Just about every Akatsuki member is in it for themselves so the death of any one member only means a new position has opened up, despite how close Kabuto is to Orochimaru it's only really orriented professionally as Orochi's death only prompts Kabuto to snatch up some research notes, even Madara was considered an extremist by the other Uchiha. The moral is most strongly brought up in reference to Sasuke but the people who care about him the most know he's a dangerous criminal and aren't ones to go seeking revenge for his death either.

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* In ''[[Anime/{{Naruto}} Naruto]]'' the story treats as if revenge is a bad thing as it will directly lead to the CycleOfRevenge, and in turn war. But rather than focusing on the reasonable example of warring factions (such as Sasuke seemingly killing Killer Bee which prompted the Raikage to seek revenge), most of the attention goes to the traditional loner villains like Orochimaru or [[spoiler: Obito]] who have no or next to no relationship ties to make the CycleOfRevenge take place at all. Just about every Akatsuki member is in it for themselves so the death of any one member only means a new position has opened up, despite how close Kabuto is to Orochimaru it's only really orriented professionally as Orochi's Orochimaru's death only prompts Kabuto to snatch up some research notes, notes and try to copy and eventually surpass Orochimaru's achievements in MadScience, and even Madara was considered an extremist by the other Uchiha. The moral is most strongly brought up in reference to Sasuke but the people who care about him the most know he's a dangerous criminal and aren't ones to go seeking revenge for his death either.
7th Apr '16 9:18:31 AM NNinja
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7th Apr '16 9:18:01 AM NNinja
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* Aesop's fable, "The dog and the wolf" is about a wolf, near-dead with hunger, meeting a dog. The dog says that if the wolf had steady work and steady food like dogs do, he'd be much better off, and the wolf quite agrees, but he's a wolf so no one will take him in. The dog assures him that he can get him a job on his farm, and the wolf accepts, until he finds out that the dog gets chained up by a collar at night, at which points he returns to the woods to die. The moral is "better free and starving than enslaved and fat", but fails when confronted with FridgeLogic: If the dog could wander of to the woods to meet the wolf in the first place then clearly he has all the freedom he wants and could probably wander off whenever he wanted. The wolf doesn't really refuse to throw away freedom for food, he refuses a job where he'd have to be on the right place at certain time and wear collar as a uniform.
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6th Apr '16 12:44:13 PM Dechstreme
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** ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia'' goes really, really far to make sure you know that ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne and "racism is bad!" The game justifies fighting against a lot of the more militant racist half-elves by having them be even worse than the militant racist humans, though said humans are often keeping just as many systems of inherent racism going as the half-elves are.
4th Apr '16 12:06:45 PM Smeagol17
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Not that this isn't always the fault of the writers. Any attempt to tackle serious subject matter honestly is problematic when the MoralGuardians are watching. This is often due to the fact that many attempts to deal with such serious subject matter will usually have said Guardians responding with outrage ''at its mere inclusion''! Yes, even if you are explicitly attempting to discourage it.

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Not Note that this isn't always the fault of the writers. Any attempt to tackle serious subject matter honestly is problematic when the MoralGuardians are watching. This is often due to the fact that many attempts to deal with such serious subject matter will usually have said Guardians responding with outrage ''at its mere inclusion''! Yes, even if you are explicitly attempting to discourage it.
1st Apr '16 7:31:27 PM Ninja857142
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** "One Bad Apple" tried to deal with the serious, complicated subject of bullying. Basically, it taught that you should not stand up to a bully; [[SarcasmMode if you do, you're no better than whoever is picking on you.]] Instead, you should tell an adult, because if you tell an adult about your bullying problem, they will make it stop immediately. Sadly, in RealLife, this is almost never the case. WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXDAzT355Tc sums it up]] rather nicely:

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** "One Bad Apple" tried to deal with the serious, complicated subject of bullying. Basically, it taught that you should not stand up to a bully; [[SarcasmMode if you do, you're no better than whoever is picking on you.]] Instead, you should tell an adult, because if you tell an adult about your bullying problem, they will make it stop immediately. Sadly, in RealLife, this is almost never the case. WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter sums it up well in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXDAzT355Tc sums it up]] rather nicely:his review of the episode]]:
1st Apr '16 7:28:59 PM Ninja857142
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** "One Bad Apple" tried to deal with the serious, complicated subject of bullying. Basically, it taught that you should not stand up to a bully; [[SarcasmMode if you do, you're no better than whoever is picking on you.]] Instead, you should tell an adult, because if you tell an adult about your bullying problem, they will make it stop immediately. Sadly, in RealLife, this is almost never the case. One reviewer [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXDAzT355Tc sums it up]] rather nicely:

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** "One Bad Apple" tried to deal with the serious, complicated subject of bullying. Basically, it taught that you should not stand up to a bully; [[SarcasmMode if you do, you're no better than whoever is picking on you.]] Instead, you should tell an adult, because if you tell an adult about your bullying problem, they will make it stop immediately. Sadly, in RealLife, this is almost never the case. One reviewer WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXDAzT355Tc sums it up]] rather nicely:
30th Mar '16 12:39:02 PM Ninja857142
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** "One Bad Seed" tried to deal with bullying. It taught that you should not stand up to a bully. [[SarcasmMode If you do, you're no better than whoever is picking on you.]] It also taught that you should tell an adult, because if you tell an adult about your bullying problem, they will make it stop immediately. Sadly, in RealLife, this is almost never the case. One reviewer [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXDAzT355Tc sums it up]] rather nicely:
--->'''[=TheMysteriousMrEnter=]:''' In LaymansTerms, the moral is if you’re being bullied, you should just go to an adult and they’ll make everything okay, even though the adult in this situation, Applejack, did absolutely nothing throughout the whole episode. You know like when she probably saw Apple Bloom sleeping on the floor. I wonder how insulting this moral is to victims of bullying whose adults in their life could not or would not do jacks*** to stop their bullying problems. And yes, it happens, more often than you think, and more often than episodes like this would have you believe. Here’s an example from the show: Applejack, what are you gonna do about Diamond Tiara who has been bullying Apple Bloom for what? Roughly two years now? Oh wait, you can’t do anything, because her father’s your best customer, and if you told him that his daughter was, well, Diamond Tiara, then he just might take his business elsewhere, and then Apple Bloom will not only have a bullying problem; she’ll be homeless as well.

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** "One Bad Seed" Apple" tried to deal with the serious, complicated subject of bullying. It Basically, it taught that you should not stand up to a bully. bully; [[SarcasmMode If if you do, you're no better than whoever is picking on you.]] It also taught that Instead, you should tell an adult, because if you tell an adult about your bullying problem, they will make it stop immediately. Sadly, in RealLife, this is almost never the case. One reviewer [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXDAzT355Tc sums it up]] rather nicely:
--->'''[=TheMysteriousMrEnter=]:''' In LaymansTerms, the moral is if you’re being bullied, you should just go to an adult and they’ll make everything okay, even though the adult in this situation, Applejack, did absolutely nothing throughout the whole episode. You know like when she probably saw Apple Bloom sleeping on the floor. I wonder how insulting this moral is to victims of bullying whose adults in their life could not or would not do jacks*** to stop their bullying problems. problem. And yes, it happens, more often than you think, and more often than episodes like this would have you believe. Here’s an example from believe... So what's the show: Applejack, what are you gonna do about Diamond Tiara who has been one-size-fits-all solution? There is none. No two bullying Apple Bloom for what? Roughly two years now? Oh wait, you can’t do anything, situations are the same, and pretending that there's one answer that can solve it all really pisses me off. People, children and teens have been driven to suicide because her father’s the adults in their life would not or could not do anything about bullying. And suggesting that taking a stand against your best customer, and if you told him that his daughter was, well, Diamond Tiara, then he just might take his business elsewhere, and then Apple Bloom will not only have a bullying problem; she’ll be homeless makes you a bully as well.well makes this awful moral even more difficult to stomach. Yes, telling an adult is the first thing you should do, but that's ''never'' where it ends. ''Ever.''
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