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15th Aug '17 2:36:53 PM KOman
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** Toward the end of Natsu's fight with Future Rogue, the latter lectures justifies his actions, bringing seven dragons into the present to defeat Acnologia, by arguing that [[TheNeedsOfTheMany you can't make everyone happy]]. While this message might have worked if Future Rogue had remained the WellIntentionedExtremist that we were first led to believe, the revelation that he wants to defeat Acnologia just so he can TakeOverTheWorld instead, while attempting to wipe out humanity for no real reason, makes this message ring hollow.
15th Aug '17 10:36:54 AM KOman
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* ''Manga/FairyTail'' isn't [[{{Anvilicious}} particularly subtle]] about the importance of ThePowerOfFriendship, but one time that the message doesn't work is during the [[TournamentArc Grand Magic Games]]. Sabertooth, which took over the rank of the #1 guild in the absence of Fairy Tail's strongest members, is led by a SocialDarwinist who throws members out for losing. While the narrative wants to show that Fairy Tail is stronger because they value their comrades, it does so using a fight in which Natsu shoves his partner Gajeel out of the match over a petty argument and goes on to solo Sting and Rogue, a duo who are actually famous for their teamwork. The anime makes this worse when Natsu is under the delusion that Gajeel ran off and chastises ''him'' for not understanding teamwork.

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isn't [[{{Anvilicious}} particularly subtle]] about the importance of ThePowerOfFriendship, but one time that the message doesn't work is during the [[TournamentArc Grand Magic Games]]. Sabertooth, which took over the rank of the #1 guild in the absence of Fairy Tail's strongest members, is led by a SocialDarwinist who throws members out for losing. While the narrative wants to show that Fairy Tail is stronger because they value their comrades, it does so using a fight in which Natsu shoves his partner Gajeel out of the match over a petty argument and goes on to solo Sting and Rogue, a duo who are actually famous for their teamwork. The anime makes this worse when Natsu is under the delusion that Gajeel ran off and chastises ''him'' for not understanding teamwork.teamwork.
** During the Alvarez arc, Elfman and Lisanna explain to Ajeel how WarIsHell, and Alvarez simply never realized that because of their track record of overwhelming victories. The problem is that Fairy Tail themselves displayed such thick PlotArmor throughout the war so as to avoid any permanent consequences, so they themselves don't really have any idea of how bad war can be.
8th Aug '17 5:28:37 PM Fretless94
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** Another [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOX43FKIEHo Sonic Sez]] has Sonic advising against [[TheRunaway running away from home]]. No problem there, but he's teaching this lesson to Coconuts, TheUnfavorite of Robotnik's minions, who is constantly screamed at and abused by his creator. This unintentionally creates the lesson of "Don't run away from home, even if you have horribly AbusiveParents."
7th Aug '17 7:01:19 PM lalalei2001
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* Deliberately defied in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' and ''Unlimited''. Early on, the show was building a discussion about whether superheroes were a good or bad thing, but this idea largely petered out over time. Why? Because the writers realized that while vigilante organizations would be a bad idea in the real world, the lesson doesn't really make sense in a setting where colorful supervillains and alien invasions are thwarted every other week by people with tights and superpowers.

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* Deliberately defied in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' and ''Unlimited''. Early on, the show was building a discussion about whether superheroes were a good or bad thing, but this idea largely petered out over time. Why? Because the writers realized that while vigilante organizations would be a bad idea in the real world, the lesson doesn't really make sense in a setting where colorful supervillains and alien invasions are thwarted every other week by people with tights and superpowers. A ConflictKiller was brought in to resolve the issue without coming down on one side or the other.


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* ''WesternAnimation/BarbieVideoGameHero'''s message is that you shouldn't let yourself feel confined to one path and think outside the box. This is all well and good in general and for Barbie, who gets the means to basically code a whole new game from the inside by the end of it. In real video games... you kind of do have to stay within the confines of whatever limits the programmers put in and can't code your way out. To do otherwise is going outside the rules of the game, and going outside the rules of a game is cheating, which is not such a good message for a kids' movie to have.
7th Aug '17 6:46:42 PM KOman
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* In ''Anime/{{Naruto}}'' the overall moral seems to be that revenge is a bad thing, as it will directly lead to the CycleOfRevenge, and in turn war. But rather than focusing on the reasonable example of warring factions (such as Sasuke seemingly killing Killer Bee, which prompted the Raikage to seek revenge), most of the attention goes to the traditional loner villains like Orochimaru or [[spoiler:Obito]] who have no or next to no relationship ties to make the cycle take place at all. Just about every Akatsuki member is in it for themselves so the death of any one member only means a new position has opened up; despite how close Kabuto is to Orochimaru it's only really oriented professionally, as Orochimaru's death only prompts Kabuto to snatch up some research notes and try to copy and eventually surpass Orochimaru's achievements in MadScience; and even Madara was considered an extremist by the other Uchiha.

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* In ''Anime/{{Naruto}}'' the overall moral seems to be that revenge is a bad thing, as it will directly lead to the CycleOfRevenge, and in turn war. But rather than focusing on the reasonable example of warring factions (such as Sasuke seemingly killing Killer Bee, which prompted the Raikage to seek revenge), most of the attention goes to the traditional loner villains like Orochimaru or [[spoiler:Obito]] who have no or next to no relationship ties to make the cycle take place at all. Just about every Akatsuki member is in it for themselves so the death of any one member only means a new position has opened up; despite how close Kabuto is to Orochimaru it's only really oriented professionally, as Orochimaru's death only prompts Kabuto to snatch up some research notes and try to copy and eventually surpass Orochimaru's achievements in MadScience; and even Madara was considered an extremist by the other Uchiha. A notable example is when Naruto takes off to join the Fourth Shinobi World War; Kurama warns him that taking part requires him to shoulder the hatred of his opponents. The opposing side really only consists of ''two people'', [[spoiler:Obito]] and Kabuto, with the former providing 100,000 easily replaceable [[PlantPeople White Zetsus]] and the latter using [[ZombieApocalypse Edo Tensei to reanimate several shinobi]], most of whom would rather just go back to being dead.
6th Aug '17 9:07:42 PM Twentington
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* The biggest moral failing of ''Series/TrueBlood'' was the way it used vampires as an allegory for persecution, especially as a stand-in for homophobia/racism. The problem is that vampires had spent ''thousands of years'' killing, raping, torturing, and enslaving humans, sometimes literally treating them as livestock, and even a young vampire like Jessica is ''far'' more powerful than a human or even most other supernatural beings. Add to that the "Coming out of the Coffin" movement that kicked off the show, and humans have ''every reason'' to hate and fear vampires and take measures--legal or not--against them. The show tried to distract viewers from this by only having the [[FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire more benign vampire characters]] be victims of prejudice, but this meant that the vamps who were the most dangerous to humans [[JokerImmunnity were above consequence]] unless their actions ran afoul of another vampire.

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* The biggest moral failing of ''Series/TrueBlood'' was the way it used vampires as an allegory for persecution, especially as a stand-in for homophobia/racism. The problem is that vampires had spent ''thousands of years'' killing, raping, torturing, and enslaving humans, sometimes literally treating them as livestock, and even a young vampire like Jessica is ''far'' more powerful than a human or even most other supernatural beings. Add to that the "Coming out of the Coffin" movement that kicked off the show, and humans have ''every reason'' to hate and fear vampires and take measures--legal or not--against them. The show tried to distract viewers from this by only having the [[FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire more benign vampire characters]] be victims of prejudice, but this meant that the vamps who were the most dangerous to humans [[JokerImmunnity were above consequence]] consequence unless their actions ran afoul of another vampire.
3rd Aug '17 2:01:14 AM WillBGood
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** Not only that, but the lesson this special tries to get across also becomes twisted and warped: Taken at face value, this is 40 minutes of Winnie the Pooh and friends [[ParanoiaFuel telling children to be suspicious and paranoid of everyone they don't know]], to act rudely to strangers, and [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop to even flat-out lie to adults]]. It's cited as [[ThinkOfTheChildren all being to keep children safe]], but the advice itself was not much worse than most extended anti-stranger [=PSAs=] of [[TheEighties the era]].

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** Not only that, but the lesson this special tries to get across also becomes twisted and warped: Taken at face value, this is 40 minutes of Winnie the Pooh and friends [[ParanoiaFuel telling children to be suspicious and paranoid of everyone they don't know]], to act rudely to strangers, and [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop to even flat-out lie to adults]]. It's cited as [[ThinkOfTheChildren all being to keep children safe]], but the advice itself was not much worse than most extended anti-stranger [=PSAs=] of [[TheEighties the era]].
30th Jul '17 7:47:18 PM KOman
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* In ''Anime/{{Naruto}}'' the overall moral seems to be that revenge is a bad thing, as it will directly lead to the CycleOfRevenge, and in turn war. But rather than focusing on the reasonable example of warring factions (such as Sasuke seemingly killing Killer Bee, which prompted the Raikage to seek revenge), most of the attention goes to the traditional loner villains like Orochimaru or [[spoiler:Obito]] who have no or next to no relationship ties to make the cycle take place at all. Just about every Akatsuki member is in it for themselves so the death of any one member only means a new position has opened up; despite how close Kabuto is to Orochimaru it's only really oriented professionally, as Orochimaru's death only prompts Kabuto to snatch up some research notes and try to copy and eventually surpass Orochimaru's achievements in MadScience; and even Madara was considered an extremist by the other Uchiha. The moral is most strongly brought up in reference to Sasuke, but the people who care about him the most ''know'' he's a dangerous criminal and aren't ones to go seeking revenge for his death either.

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* In ''Anime/{{Naruto}}'' the overall moral seems to be that revenge is a bad thing, as it will directly lead to the CycleOfRevenge, and in turn war. But rather than focusing on the reasonable example of warring factions (such as Sasuke seemingly killing Killer Bee, which prompted the Raikage to seek revenge), most of the attention goes to the traditional loner villains like Orochimaru or [[spoiler:Obito]] who have no or next to no relationship ties to make the cycle take place at all. Just about every Akatsuki member is in it for themselves so the death of any one member only means a new position has opened up; despite how close Kabuto is to Orochimaru it's only really oriented professionally, as Orochimaru's death only prompts Kabuto to snatch up some research notes and try to copy and eventually surpass Orochimaru's achievements in MadScience; and even Madara was considered an extremist by the other Uchiha. The moral is most strongly brought up in reference to Sasuke, but the people who care about him the most ''know'' he's a dangerous criminal and aren't ones to go seeking revenge for his death either.
29th Jul '17 10:09:16 PM DoctorCooper
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* ''WesternAnimation/Pinocchio1992'' tries to teach to teach that you should not lie, but since lying is not an important theme in neither [[Literature/TheAdventuresOfPinocchio the book]] nor this film, it fails to be persuasive.
26th Jul '17 7:04:05 AM boatsnot
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* "Mouthpieces", a fad found on some blogging sites, often fall into this. It basically involves drawing an image of character from a cartoon or movie and adding an inspirational message or life advice at the bottom. Some are actually quite nice, but then you get the ones that try to talk about gender equality or gay rights (and many more) that just come off as silly or downright belittling of the very cause they're advocating.
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