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11th Aug '16 11:36:27 PM PaulA
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* LoisMcMasterBujold's ''Literature/VorkosiganSaga'':

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* LoisMcMasterBujold's Creator/LoisMcMasterBujold's ''Literature/VorkosiganSaga'':



** In ''Brothers in Arms'', we learn that a clone was made from [[spoiler:Miles Vorkosigan]] years ago, when the original was just six years old, in a long-running ThePlan to substitute the clone for the original once the clone was adult enough that the six-year age difference wouldn't matter. The clone goes through (relatively) normal growth and receives regular briefings on the original's activities so that his impersonation will be realistic. The original eventually defeats the plot by treating the clone as a real person with an identity (and a name) of his own, something the clone's creators never did; this triggers the clone's HeelFaceTurn, but takes about four books. The ArtisticLicense comes when it's stated repeatedly that the clone is identical ''including'' fingerprints and retinal pattern. Since Bujold evidently keeps abreast of real biotech research, she must know that these things are different in twins and therefore, presumably, in clones; but it would ruin the plot if he could be identified so easily.
** The identity politics behind clones and cloning are discussed at length in ''Mirror Dance''. Since cloning is an accepted technology on Beta Colony, they have an extensive network of legal definitions and protections for clones. Cordelia, who is Betan, identifies herself to Mark as either his mother or his mother-once-removed, with legal obligations and rights approximately equivalent to a grandparent. And points out that regardless of his cloned status, his genes are half hers anyway, so she has as much biological interest in him as she does in his brother. Mark finds this comfortingly rational and unthreatening.

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** In ''Brothers in Arms'', ''Literature/BrothersInArms'', we learn that a clone was made from [[spoiler:Miles Vorkosigan]] years ago, when the original was just six years old, in a long-running ThePlan to substitute the clone for the original once the clone was adult enough that the six-year age difference wouldn't matter. The clone goes through (relatively) normal growth and receives regular briefings on the original's activities so that his impersonation will be realistic. The original eventually defeats the plot by treating the clone as a real person with an identity (and a name) of his own, something the clone's creators never did; this triggers the clone's HeelFaceTurn, but takes about four books. The ArtisticLicense comes when it's stated repeatedly that the clone is identical ''including'' fingerprints and retinal pattern. Since Bujold evidently keeps abreast of real biotech research, she must know that these things are different in twins and therefore, presumably, in clones; but it would ruin the plot if he could be identified so easily.
** The identity politics behind clones and cloning are discussed at length in ''Mirror Dance''.''Literature/MirrorDance''. Since cloning is an accepted technology on Beta Colony, they have an extensive network of legal definitions and protections for clones. Cordelia, who is Betan, identifies herself to Mark as either his mother or his mother-once-removed, with legal obligations and rights approximately equivalent to a grandparent. And points out that regardless of his cloned status, his genes are half hers anyway, so she has as much biological interest in him as she does in his brother. Mark finds this comfortingly rational and unthreatening.
4th Aug '16 10:48:21 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** Creator/KarenTraviss's ''[[Literature/HaloGlasslands Kilo]-[[Literature/HaloTheThursdayWar Five]]'' [[Literature/HaloMortalDictata trilogy]] also explores the tragedy of the flash-cloning program, including the plight of the clones themselves. However, the trilogy puts the blame for this solely on the shoulders of program head Dr. Halsey, even though earlier media had strongly implied that she got approval for this from her superiors, including the head of ONI herself. Instead, said head of ONI claims she had no idea Halsey was going to go the clone route, though it's possible she was just covering her ass; post-''Kilo-Five'' media, like the aforementioned ''Hunt the Truth'', seem to have gone with the "ONI was just covering its ass" interpretation.

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** Creator/KarenTraviss's ''[[Literature/HaloGlasslands Kilo]-[[Literature/HaloTheThursdayWar Kilo]]-[[Literature/HaloTheThursdayWar Five]]'' [[Literature/HaloMortalDictata trilogy]] also explores the tragedy of the flash-cloning program, including the plight of the clones themselves. However, the trilogy puts the blame for this solely on the shoulders of program head Dr. Halsey, even though earlier media had strongly implied that she got approval for this from her superiors, including the head of ONI herself. Instead, said head of ONI claims she had no idea Halsey was going to go the clone route, though it's possible she was just covering her ass; post-''Kilo-Five'' media, like the aforementioned ''Hunt the Truth'', seem to have gone with the "ONI was just covering its ass" interpretation.
4th Aug '16 10:47:22 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** Master Chief and all the other Spartans were kidnapped as six year old children to begin their training. To prevent any questions from being asked, they were all flash-cloned; the parents got the clones. In the Halo universe, cloning single organs is simple, but cloning a full human isn't; flash clones are born with no memory, and tend to deteriorate into mindless vegetables who die in a few months. So, as far as the Spartans' parents know, their children all suddenly suffered major brain damage and died tragically. Only a handful of Spartan trainees ever found out about this, with two of them killing themselves after finding out the truth. The true tragedy of this is explored more thoroughly in the ARG ''ARG/ILoveBees'' and the ''Anime/HaloLegends'' short "Homecoming".
** The novel ''Literature/HaloGlasslands'' seems to put the blame for this squarely on the shoulders of Dr. Halsey, even though such an action would require multiple participants and approval from the head of ONI. Said head of ONI then claims she had no idea Halsey was going to go the clone route, although it's possible she was just covering her ass. The novel quickly spirals into an AuthorTract against Halsey. It's worth noting that most other novels portray Halsey as a sympathetic character.

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** Master Chief and all the other Spartans Spartan-[=IIs=] were kidnapped as six year old children to begin their training. To prevent any questions from being asked, they were all flash-cloned; the parents got the clones. In the Halo ''Halo'' universe, cloning single organs is simple, but cloning a full human isn't; flash clones are born with no memory, and tend to deteriorate into mindless vegetables who die in a few months. months (though a "lucky" few survived into their teens). So, as far as the Spartans' parents know, their children all suddenly suffered major brain brain/nerve/organ damage and died tragically. Only a handful of Spartan trainees ever found out about this, with two of them killing themselves after finding out the truth. The true tragedy of this is explored more thoroughly in the ARG [=ARGs=] ''ARG/ILoveBees'' and ''ARG/HuntTheTruth'', and the ''Anime/HaloLegends'' short "Homecoming".
''Homecoming''.
** The novel ''Literature/HaloGlasslands'' seems to put Creator/KarenTraviss's ''[[Literature/HaloGlasslands Kilo]-[[Literature/HaloTheThursdayWar Five]]'' [[Literature/HaloMortalDictata trilogy]] also explores the tragedy of the flash-cloning program, including the plight of the clones themselves. However, the trilogy puts the blame for this squarely solely on the shoulders of program head Dr. Halsey, even though such an action would require multiple participants and earlier media had strongly implied that she got approval for this from her superiors, including the head of ONI. Said ONI herself. Instead, said head of ONI then claims she had no idea Halsey was going to go the clone route, although though it's possible she was just covering her ass. The novel quickly spirals into an AuthorTract against Halsey. It's worth noting that most other novels portray Halsey as a sympathetic character.ass; post-''Kilo-Five'' media, like the aforementioned ''Hunt the Truth'', seem to have gone with the "ONI was just covering its ass" interpretation.
2nd Aug '16 6:25:29 PM nombretomado
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** In the classic Goodwin/Simonson run, the bad guys have an army of brainwashed clones of the hero, providing them with useful cannon fodder and him with a desire to kill every last clone to reclaim his individuality. Somewhat creepily, after his death his friends attempt to hunt down and kill all the remaining clones--with the apparent approval of ''Batman'', one of the most stringent advocates of ThouShaltNotKill in TheDCU.

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** In the classic Goodwin/Simonson run, the bad guys have an army of brainwashed clones of the hero, providing them with useful cannon fodder and him with a desire to kill every last clone to reclaim his individuality. Somewhat creepily, after his death his friends attempt to hunt down and kill all the remaining clones--with the apparent approval of ''Batman'', one of the most stringent advocates of ThouShaltNotKill in TheDCU.Franchise/TheDCU.



* Lobo from TheDCU. For some time, he automatically cloned. Cut him deep, the blood makes another Lobo. This was eventually neutralized by the MagnificentBastard, Vril Dox, except for one clone who manages to slip off. Said clone improves his brain, hunts down Lobo and...both fall into a bunker, which is bombed silly. One crawls out and goes on about how he's not going to reveal who lived. Lobo tends to be aware of the FourthWall, a seeming explanation for why he is tight-lipped.

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* Lobo from TheDCU.Franchise/TheDCU. For some time, he automatically cloned. Cut him deep, the blood makes another Lobo. This was eventually neutralized by the MagnificentBastard, Vril Dox, except for one clone who manages to slip off. Said clone improves his brain, hunts down Lobo and...both fall into a bunker, which is bombed silly. One crawls out and goes on about how he's not going to reveal who lived. Lobo tends to be aware of the FourthWall, a seeming explanation for why he is tight-lipped.
26th Jul '16 1:49:10 PM Willbyr
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* [[spoiler: Marika Utika]] of ''TwinSpica''. Not only is human cloning illegal by international treaty, the whole ReplacementGoldfish status doesn't help.

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* [[spoiler: Marika Utika]] of ''TwinSpica''.''Manga/FutatsuNoSpica''. Not only is human cloning illegal by international treaty, the whole ReplacementGoldfish status doesn't help.
3rd Jul '16 4:57:26 PM nombretomado
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* Hydraxon II in ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'' is the exact copy of the original Hydraxon jailer who died during a great prison break. He was created from the body of Dekar, a normal [[{{Hobbits}} Matoran]] whose memories have been suppressed by Hydraxon's. Presenting him evidence of his true being just make him angrier and sink deeper into denial, causing him to think that everyone trying to explain that he's not the original is tricking him. Interestingly, the real Hydraxon is still alive on a RespawnPoint, but the two never met since the series had been canceled.

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* Hydraxon II in ''Franchise/{{Bionicle}}'' ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'' is the exact copy of the original Hydraxon jailer who died during a great prison break. He was created from the body of Dekar, a normal [[{{Hobbits}} Matoran]] whose memories have been suppressed by Hydraxon's. Presenting him evidence of his true being just make him angrier and sink deeper into denial, causing him to think that everyone trying to explain that he's not the original is tricking him. Interestingly, the real Hydraxon is still alive on a RespawnPoint, but the two never met since the series had been canceled.
23rd Jun '16 11:39:26 PM Amaryllis
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* In ''Webcomic/{{Relativity}}'' it's not a case of cloning so much as meeting another self in an [[spoiler:AlternateUniverse]]. However, the trope still applies. [[spoiler: Both Irina and her AlternateSelf Novak resent that NASA tried to keep them a secret from each other at first. Irina also resents that she's being treated like a copy of Novak, while Novak has to deal with watching her ex-wife treat Irina as her replacement. NASA is also trying to cover up the fact that their are two Irina Novaks, so they both have to pretend to be the same person, and Irina can't publish a career-making paper on the findings of a mission that she completed successfully while Novak failed.]]
20th Jun '16 1:59:07 PM gewunomox
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* "My Clone Sleeps Alone" by PatBenatar. Her clone lives in [[{{Dystopia}} a sterile sexless future]].

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* "My Clone Sleeps Alone" by PatBenatar.Music/PatBenatar. Her clone lives in [[{{Dystopia}} a sterile sexless future]].
10th Jun '16 10:09:28 AM Morgenthaler
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* In DeanKoontz's ''Frankenstein'' trilogy, Victor Helios, [[spoiler: alias Frankenstein, has created a "New Race" of genetically-engineered beings that are devoid of morality and feelings except for anger, envy, fear, and hate. They cannot disobey his commands, kill themselves, or kill others unless ordered to do so. Courtesy of direct-to-brain data downloading for the sake of knowledge, a great many of the New Race are replicants of people like politicians, police officers, and ministers. But the programming of many members of the New Race is breaking down, allowing them to act as they shouldn't in one way or another...]]

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* In DeanKoontz's Creator/DeanKoontz's ''Frankenstein'' trilogy, Victor Helios, [[spoiler: alias Frankenstein, has created a "New Race" of genetically-engineered beings that are devoid of morality and feelings except for anger, envy, fear, and hate. They cannot disobey his commands, kill themselves, or kill others unless ordered to do so. Courtesy of direct-to-brain data downloading for the sake of knowledge, a great many of the New Race are replicants of people like politicians, police officers, and ministers. But the programming of many members of the New Race is breaking down, allowing them to act as they shouldn't in one way or another...]]
7th Jun '16 11:51:39 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross'':
** The Zentradi are initially all artificially-generated beings. Some cloning remains in practice, even if it's strongly hinted that many are reproducing biologically by the time of ''Macross Frontier''. They don't seem to suffer any angst about it, even the ones who are obvious clones of important characters from the original series.
** There's an apparent plot hole between the original ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross'' and its sequels, particularly Macross 7. The official sources state that about one million people survived the Zentraedi planetary bombardment in 2010 AD. Macross 7 is set in 2045 AD, featuring the 37th immigration fleet, 7th (hence the title) to have a main colony vessel capable of carrying about one million people. Official source materials include a book with a more detailed timeline, mentioning the start of mass cloning of the surviving population and its end when mutations (due to the procedure's strain on DNA) started appearing. No mention of how many copies of each individual were made, but presumably they were loaded onto the immigration fleets to spread the seeds of humanity across the stars.

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* ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross'':
''Anime/{{Macross}}'':
** The Zentradi are initially all artificially-generated beings. Some cloning remains in practice, even if it's strongly hinted that many are reproducing biologically by the time of ''Macross Frontier''.''Anime/MacrossFrontier''. They don't seem to suffer any angst about it, even the ones who are obvious clones of important characters from the original series.
** There's an apparent This is used to account for a potential plot hole between the original ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross'' and its sequels, particularly Macross 7.''Anime/Macross7''. The official sources state that about one million people survived the Zentraedi planetary bombardment in 2010 AD. Macross 7 ''Macross 7'' is set in 2045 AD, featuring the 37th immigration fleet, the 7th (hence the title) to have a main colony vessel capable of carrying about one million people. Official source materials include a book with a more detailed timeline, mentioning the start of mass cloning of the surviving population and its end when mutations (due to the procedure's strain on DNA) started appearing. No mention of how many copies of each individual were made, but presumably they were loaded onto the immigration fleets to spread the seeds of humanity across the stars.
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