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27th Mar '17 12:50:05 PM Jhonny
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': When Jon Arryn dies, Robert seeks out Ned and asks him to be his new Hand of the King, thinking he is best suited to rule Westeros, despite Ned having no wish to take the job. Also, this was Ned's role during the rebellion. Basically, he won the rebellion for Robert, but never took advantage of this in any form and as soon as Robert sat on the throne, he missed the early stages of Robert's reign and went straight to Winterfell, bringing his sister's remains and his illegitimate son -- baby Jon Snow -- home with him. Ned never left the North since that, save for the Greyjoy rebellion. Arguably, his hurry of coming back to the North and reluctance to leave it may have something to do with [[spoiler:hiding and raising Jon, who is [[FamilyRelationshipSwitcheroo actually Ned's nephew]] and the son of Ned's sister Lyanna Stark with Prince Rheagar Targaryen. [[TheGreatestStoryNeverTold Ned spends the rest of his life protecting Jon from Robert Baratheon]], claiming Jon as his own son and raising him as his own child alongside his children with Catelyn.]]

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': When Jon Arryn dies, Robert seeks out Ned and asks him to be his new Hand of the King, thinking he is best suited to rule Westeros, despite Ned having no wish to take the job. Also, this was Ned's role during the rebellion. Basically, he won the rebellion for Robert, but never took advantage of this in any form and as soon as Robert sat on the throne, he missed the early stages of Robert's reign and went straight to Winterfell, bringing his sister's remains and [[spoiler:and his illegitimate son -- baby Jon Snow -- home ]]home with him. Ned never left the North since that, save for the Greyjoy rebellion. Arguably, his hurry of coming back to the North and reluctance to leave it may have something to do with [[spoiler:hiding and raising Jon, who is [[FamilyRelationshipSwitcheroo actually Ned's nephew]] and the son of Ned's sister Lyanna Stark with Prince Rheagar Targaryen. [[TheGreatestStoryNeverTold Ned spends the rest of his life protecting Jon from Robert Baratheon]], claiming Jon as his own son and raising him as his own child alongside his children with Catelyn.]]
23rd Mar '17 12:12:43 PM cherrychels
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* Dumbledore in ''Literature/HarryPotter''. It is stated that he was offered the post of Minister for Magic multiple times, but refused it, preferring to remain headmaster at Hogwarts. Only in the final book is it fully understood why: [[spoiler:in his youth, Dumbledore was tempted into joining Gellert Grindelwald's quest to take over the world and find the Deathly Hallows. Dumbledore realised afterwards that he could not be trusted with power.]]

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* Dumbledore in ''Literature/HarryPotter''. It is stated that he Dumbledore was offered the post of Minister for Magic multiple times, times but refused it, preferring to remain the headmaster at Hogwarts. Only in the final book is it fully understood why: [[spoiler:in his youth, Dumbledore was tempted into joining Gellert Grindelwald's quest to take over the world and find the Deathly Hallows. Afterward, Dumbledore realised afterwards that he could not be trusted with power.]]



* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': When Jon Arryn dies, Robert seeks out Ned and asks him to be his new Hand of the King, thinking he is best suited to rule Westeros, despite Ned having no wish to take the job. Also, this was Ned's role during the rebellion. Basically, he won the rebellion for Robert, but never took advantage of this in any form and as soon as Robert sat on the throne, he missed the early stages of Robert's reign and went straight to Winterfell bringing his sister's remains and baby Jon Snow. He never left the North since that, save for the Greyjoy rebellion. Arguably, his hurry of coming back to the North and reluctance to leave it may have something to do with hiding and raising Jon Snow.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': When Jon Arryn dies, Robert seeks out Ned and asks him to be his new Hand of the King, thinking he is best suited to rule Westeros, despite Ned having no wish to take the job. Also, this was Ned's role during the rebellion. Basically, he won the rebellion for Robert, but never took advantage of this in any form and as soon as Robert sat on the throne, he missed the early stages of Robert's reign and went straight to Winterfell Winterfell, bringing his sister's remains and his illegitimate son -- baby Jon Snow. He Snow -- home with him. Ned never left the North since that, save for the Greyjoy rebellion. Arguably, his hurry of coming back to the North and reluctance to leave it may have something to do with hiding [[spoiler:hiding and raising Jon, who is [[FamilyRelationshipSwitcheroo actually Ned's nephew]] and the son of Ned's sister Lyanna Stark with Prince Rheagar Targaryen. [[TheGreatestStoryNeverTold Ned spends the rest of his life protecting Jon Snow.from Robert Baratheon]], claiming Jon as his own son and raising him as his own child alongside his children with Catelyn.]]
23rd Mar '17 11:42:13 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': When Jon Arryn dies, Robert seeks out Ned and asks him to be his new Hand of the King, thinking he is best suited to rule Westeros, despite Ned having no wish to take the job. Also, this was Ned's role during the rebellion. Basically, he won the rebellion for Robert, but never took advantage of this in any form and as soon as Robert sat on the throne, he missed the early stages of Robert's reign and went straight to Winterfell bringing his sister's remains and baby Jon Snow. He never left the North since that, save for the Greyjoy rebellion. Arguably, his hurry of coming back to the North and reluctance to leave it may have something to do with hiding and raising Jon Snow.
11th Mar '17 2:28:07 PM nombretomado
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* In MichaelFlynn's Literature/SpiralArm novel ''On the Razor's Edge'', two characters argue about giving up power. One cites him, UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington, and two fictional future characters, and then adds that others might be unable because they had done it.

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* In MichaelFlynn's Creator/MichaelFlynn's Literature/SpiralArm novel ''On the Razor's Edge'', two characters argue about giving up power. One cites him, UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington, and two fictional future characters, and then adds that others might be unable because they had done it.
24th Feb '17 5:39:18 PM karstovich2
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* UsefulNotes/OliverCromwell [[CreatorProvincialism pulled this more than a hundred years previously]] during [[UsefulNotes/EnglishCivilWar the previous]] [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution British Civil War]]. He also refused to become king after leading The Parliamentarians to victory (and the execution of King Charles I) and being outright offered the crown. Much like (and likely more so than) Washington, it's uncertain how much of his borderline-saintly reputation is historical fact and how much was propaganda. He subverted this trope in his last years ruling England and Scotland and Ireland (as the separate Kingdoms they still were).

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* UsefulNotes/OliverCromwell [[CreatorProvincialism pulled this more than a hundred years previously]] during [[UsefulNotes/EnglishCivilWar the previous]] [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution British Civil War]]. He also refused to become king after leading The Parliamentarians to victory (and the execution of King Charles I) and being outright offered the crown. Much like (and likely more so than) Washington, it's uncertain how much of his borderline-saintly reputation is historical fact and how much was propaganda. He subverted this trope in his last years ruling the Commonwealth of England (the republican regime that ruled the British Isles) as its "Lord Protector" (read: king in all but name) until his death. That being said, Cromwell seems to have been genuinely conflicted about this and Scotland hoped to establish a real republic; it's just that the various political factions in England were constantly at odds and Ireland (as the separate Kingdoms basically could never agree on anything except that they still were).liked Cromwell.
29th Jan '17 4:45:21 PM LentilSandEater
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* Mildly subverted in ''Literature/WarAndPeace'', in that the Russian emperor Alexander ''did not want'' Kutuzov to become Field Marshal during Napoleon's invasion, and many aristocrats in his court maneuvered behind Kutuzov's back to have him ousted after the danger was past. Kutuzov just liked to read novels though.

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* Mildly subverted InvokedTrope in ''Literature/WarAndPeace'', in that the Russian emperor Alexander ''did not want'' Kutuzov to become Field Marshal during Napoleon's invasion, and many aristocrats in his court maneuvered behind Kutuzov's back to have him ousted after the danger was past. Kutuzov just liked to read novels though.
8th Oct '16 3:27:26 PM MrThorfan64
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** Also done by Ned's ancestor Lord Cregan Stark, who was the Hand for a days more then a century before the series began. At the end of the Targaryen civil war known as "The Dance of the Dragons" Cregan arrived in King's Landing just after Aegon II had been poisoned, meaning the throne passed to their nephew Aegon III, son of the claimant Cregan had been supporting. Cregan was named Hand by Aegon III and responded by punishing those responsible for Aegon II's death, feeling a King's murder must be punished even if it was a tyrant he was fighting against. Cregan's actions enabled a relatively stable reign for Aegon III, though the day after finishing the trials Cregan resigned the Handship and returned to the North, having been granted many rewards, and in exchange for pardoning Lord Corlys Velaryon he married Alysanne Blackwood.
22nd Sep '16 1:29:10 PM Gamermaster
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** VideoGame/SuikodenI'' and ''[[VideoGame/SuikodenII II]]'' are both examples of this. In the first, the Hero leads a [[LaResistance popular uprising]] to overthrow TheEmpire, and after it succeeds, he's offered the position of President of the newly formed Republic. In the sequel, you can find him in a small border town... fishing. One of his lieutenants has taken the role of President of Toran. Hero 2 potentially follows his example: I believe one of the possible endings actually has him taking up the mantle of the reformed Jowston Alliance, but the Best Ending has him turn away from the power, instead leaving power to his strategist and heading off to go WalkingTheEarth with his sister and best friend.

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** VideoGame/SuikodenI'' ''VideoGame/SuikodenI'' and ''[[VideoGame/SuikodenII II]]'' are both examples of this. In the first, the Hero leads a [[LaResistance popular uprising]] to overthrow TheEmpire, and after it succeeds, he's offered the position of President of the newly formed Republic. In the sequel, you can find him in a small border town... fishing. One of his lieutenants has taken the role of President of Toran. Hero 2 potentially follows his example: I believe one of the possible endings actually has him taking up the mantle of the reformed Jowston Alliance, but the Best Ending has him turn away from the power, instead leaving power to his strategist and heading off to go WalkingTheEarth with his sister and best friend.
9th Sep '16 9:36:57 AM Morgenthaler
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It's TruthInTelevision: not only did it happen with Cincinnatus, but all succeeding Roman ''dictators'' ("he who dictates [orders]") also willingly gave up power before or at the end of the prescribed six months, up to and throughout the Punic Wars. It is only with Sulla, after the office had not been used for over a hundred years, that any Roman attempted to abuse the dictatorship. Even Sulla, while abusing his dictatorial power in many ways and having arranged to not have a time limit on his dictatorship, still stepped down after a year. The first ''successful'' attempt to defy this tradition came without the actual ([[JustTheFirstCitizen specific]]) title of dictator, and resulted in the creation of TheRomanEmpire.

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It's TruthInTelevision: not only did it happen with Cincinnatus, but all succeeding Roman ''dictators'' ("he who dictates [orders]") also willingly gave up power before or at the end of the prescribed six months, up to and throughout the Punic Wars. It is only with Sulla, after the office had not been used for over a hundred years, that any Roman attempted to abuse the dictatorship. Even Sulla, while abusing his dictatorial power in many ways and having arranged to not have a time limit on his dictatorship, still stepped down after a year. The first ''successful'' attempt to defy this tradition came without the actual ([[JustTheFirstCitizen specific]]) title of dictator, and resulted in the creation of TheRomanEmpire.
UsefulNotes/TheRomanEmpire.
4th Sep '16 6:27:40 PM Jhonny
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** It's easy to forget due to the long line of historians with Southern sympathies smearing his presidency (which is currently reevaluated by historians as decent and even great in fields like race relations), but UsefulNotes/UllyssesSGrant had a PopularityPolynomial going on during his own lifetime. He was immensely popular from emerging as a UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar commander to the end of his first term (he ran for reelection with only token opposition), but suffered greatly due to the economic downturn during his second term. Out of office he regained the favor of many Americans and wanted to give a third term a try, but the Republican Party bigwigs flatly refused citing the example of Washington. There being no meaningful primaries that was that.

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** It's easy to forget due to the long line of historians with Southern sympathies smearing his presidency (which is currently reevaluated by historians as decent and even great in fields like race relations), but UsefulNotes/UllyssesSGrant UsefulNotes/UlyssesSGrant had a PopularityPolynomial going on during his own lifetime. He was immensely popular from emerging as a UsefulNotes/AmericanCivilWar commander to the end of his first term (he ran for reelection with only token opposition), but suffered greatly due to the economic downturn during his second term. Out of office he regained the favor of many Americans and wanted to give a third term a try, but the Republican Party bigwigs flatly refused citing the example of Washington. There being no meaningful primaries that was that.
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