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27th Jun '17 1:12:54 PM Austin
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** The Crown Prince of this is The Riddler, who has reformed countless times, only to fall back into crime due to obsessing over beating the Bat. However, this trope still applies to a large portion of Batman's rogues gallery, most prominently, Two-Face (who is probably a [[IncrediblyLamePun close second]] to the Riddler), The Ventriloquist, Mr. Freeze, and Harley Quinn. The second version, of a character whose power makes them evil and slowly returns them to villainy, is present in Man Bat and certain incarnations of Clayface.

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** The Crown Prince of this is The Riddler, ComicBook/TheRiddler, who has reformed countless times, only to fall back into crime due to obsessing over beating the Bat. However, this trope still applies to a large portion of Batman's rogues gallery, most prominently, Two-Face (who is probably a [[IncrediblyLamePun close second]] to the Riddler), The Ventriloquist, Mr. Freeze, and Harley Quinn. The second version, of a character whose power makes them evil and slowly returns them to villainy, is present in Man Bat and certain incarnations of Clayface.



* Loki never stops trying to usurp Asgard and defeat [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] for many reasons. He is TheUnfavorite of Asgard, being a trickster magician instead of a warrior, [[FreudianExcuse and so he can never truly believe that Odin and Thor truly love him as family,]] despite the fact that every time Loki's schemes fail, Odin and Thor always eventually forgive him and give him another chance. It got so bad that Loki actually let himself die at the conclusion of "Siege" and be reborn as a relatively innocent child in an attempt to ''escape'' Chronic Villainy. As the last remnants of his past life explains to the new Loki, he had become predictable in his treachery and, as a god of chaos and trickery, he would rather die than be predictable. [[spoiler: And, predictably, all of that actually was a scheme to dupe others into thinking that Loki has truly changed (at the moment when everyone but Thor gave up any hope of redeeming him), by using Kid Loki's innocence and then overwriting his personality with the Old Loki memories. Proving once again that Loki cannot escape this trope. His younger self [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech calls him out on it]], though he tries to deny it.]]

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* Loki ComicBook/{{Loki}} never stops trying to usurp Asgard and defeat [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] for many reasons. He is TheUnfavorite of Asgard, being a trickster magician instead of a warrior, [[FreudianExcuse and so he can never truly believe that Odin and Thor truly love him as family,]] despite the fact that every time Loki's schemes fail, Odin and Thor always eventually forgive him and give him another chance. It got so bad that Loki actually let himself die at the conclusion of "Siege" and be reborn as a relatively innocent child in an attempt to ''escape'' Chronic Villainy. As the last remnants of his past life explains to the new Loki, he had become predictable in his treachery and, as a god of chaos and trickery, he would rather die than be predictable. [[spoiler: And, predictably, all of that actually was a scheme to dupe others into thinking that Loki has truly changed (at the moment when everyone but Thor gave up any hope of redeeming him), by using Kid Loki's innocence and then overwriting his personality with the Old Loki memories. Proving once again that Loki cannot escape this trope. His younger self [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech calls him out on it]], though he tries to deny it.]]
9th May '17 2:48:01 AM CountDorku
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** The Joker underwent a Riddler Reform in "Going Sane", a StoryArc from the comic ''Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight''. The only times where he's ever been indicated to reform are when he thinks Batman's dead. When Batman ends up alive, he returns.

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** The Joker underwent a Riddler Reform in "Going Sane", a StoryArc from the comic ''Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight''. The only times where he's ever been indicated to reform are when he thinks Batman's dead. When Batman ends up alive, he returns.



** But then, even the Penguin, often regarded as the OnlySaneMan among his enemies, had this once. In a two-part story (released as {{homage}} to the late Burgess Meredith) Copplepot got restless and bored in his current role as TheDon, and despite having vowed to stop getting involved personally, undertook a series of crimes just to prove he was superior to Batman. He failed, but convinced Batman to let him go (as he'd likely be let OffOnATechnicality if arrested), and decided to go "back to my lounge booth - where I should have ''stayed''."

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** But then, even the Penguin, often regarded as the OnlySaneMan among his enemies, had this once. In a two-part story (released as {{homage}} to the late Burgess Meredith) Copplepot Cobblepot got restless and bored in his current role as TheDon, and despite having vowed to stop getting involved personally, undertook a series of crimes just to prove he was superior to Batman. He failed, but convinced Batman to let him go (as he'd likely be let OffOnATechnicality if arrested), and decided to go "back to my lounge booth - where I should have ''stayed''." "
** A major theme of more modern Batman comics is that [[NotSoDifferent Bruce Wayne may not be much saner than his rogues' gallery]], meaning that he has a heroic version of this that ''isn't'' ChronicHeroSyndrome (which is about righting every wrong you're presented with, rather than being unable to give up running about all night punching people). This is most notable in the "Going Sane" arc, in which the Joker disappeared from sight at about the same time that Batman did. Bruce, who has recovered in a small town and has been striking up a romance with the woman who nursed him back to health, returns to Gotham, hoping against hope that he won't find any trace of the Joker and can return there. Then he digs into local video rental store records and finds a lot of classic comedies being rented by a "[[PaperThinDisguise Joseph Kerr]]". He actually finds this rather upsetting.
-->''I've got you now, Joker. Heaven help me...I've got you.''
4th May '17 2:04:05 PM Gregzilla
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* Loki never stops trying to usurp Asgard and defeat [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] for many reasons. He is TheUnfavorite of Asgard, being a trickster magician instead of a warrior, [[FreudianExcuse and so he can never truly believe that Odin and Thor truly love him as family,]] despite the fact that every time Loki's schemes fail, Odin and Thor always eventually forgive him and give him another chance. It got so bad that Loki actually let himself die at the conclusion of "Siege" and be reborn as a relatively innocent child in an attempt to ''escape'' Chronic Villainy. As the last remnants of his past life explains to the new Loki, [[ReliableTraitor he had become predictable in his treachery]] and, as a god of chaos and trickery, he would rather die than be predictable. [[spoiler: And, predictably, all of that actually was a scheme to dupe others into thinking that Loki has truly changed (at the moment when everyone but Thor gave up any hope of redeeming him), by using Kid Loki's innocence and then overwriting his personality with the Old Loki memories. Proving once again that Loki cannot escape this trope. His younger self [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech calls him out on it]], though he tries to deny it.]]

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* Loki never stops trying to usurp Asgard and defeat [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] for many reasons. He is TheUnfavorite of Asgard, being a trickster magician instead of a warrior, [[FreudianExcuse and so he can never truly believe that Odin and Thor truly love him as family,]] despite the fact that every time Loki's schemes fail, Odin and Thor always eventually forgive him and give him another chance. It got so bad that Loki actually let himself die at the conclusion of "Siege" and be reborn as a relatively innocent child in an attempt to ''escape'' Chronic Villainy. As the last remnants of his past life explains to the new Loki, [[ReliableTraitor he had become predictable in his treachery]] treachery and, as a god of chaos and trickery, he would rather die than be predictable. [[spoiler: And, predictably, all of that actually was a scheme to dupe others into thinking that Loki has truly changed (at the moment when everyone but Thor gave up any hope of redeeming him), by using Kid Loki's innocence and then overwriting his personality with the Old Loki memories. Proving once again that Loki cannot escape this trope. His younger self [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech calls him out on it]], though he tries to deny it.]]
22nd Apr '17 12:11:14 AM maximsk
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* ''Series/BreakingBad'': Former chemistry teacher and ruthless meth kingpin Walter White always go back to his meth business, regardless to how much danger he puts himself and his family in. [[spoiler:In the last season, he eventually decides to leave the drug business and try and regain some semblance of normalcy in his life. Naturally, his crimes are discovered by his brother-in-law in the DEA less than 24 hours later, forcing him to go back to being Heisenberg again.]]

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* ''Series/BreakingBad'': Former chemistry teacher and ruthless meth kingpin Walter White always go goes back to his meth business, regardless to how much danger he puts himself and his family in. [[spoiler:In the last season, he eventually decides to leave the drug business and try and regain some semblance of normalcy in his life. Naturally, his crimes are discovered by his brother-in-law in the DEA less than 24 hours later, forcing him to go back to being Heisenberg again.]]
22nd Apr '17 12:10:14 AM maximsk
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* Harmony Kendall from ''Series/{{Angel}}''. During her appearances on the show, her Chronic Villainy seemed to alternate between tragedy and AssPull. Either way, it seemed like she genuinely wanted to do the right thing, even though it was against her vampiric nature. She even once said, ''"It's not like have a soul! I have to try a lot harder!"''

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* Harmony Kendall from ''Series/{{Angel}}''. During her appearances on the show, her Chronic Villainy seemed to alternate between tragedy and AssPull. Either way, it seemed like she genuinely wanted to do the right thing, even though it was against her vampiric nature. She even once said, ''"It's not like I have a soul! I have to try a lot harder!"''
14th Mar '17 10:50:40 PM Karxrida
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For villains who only pretend to reform and settle down, see CivilianVillain.

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For villains who only pretend to reform and settle down, see CivilianVillain.
FalselyReformedVillain.
30th Dec '16 11:25:34 AM nombretomado
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** And in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'', Mr. Freeze winds up as a particularly tragic example after spending most of the episode ReformedButRejected. (What's particularly tragic about that episode is that he gets a human body, and for no explicable reason, gets his ice powers back. However, Mr. Freeze has a history of tragedy in the {{DCAU}}, and while his {{backstory}} gave him depth, his later appearances in the ''The New Batman Adventures'' made him a bit of a ButtMonkey.)

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** And in an episode of ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'', Mr. Freeze winds up as a particularly tragic example after spending most of the episode ReformedButRejected. (What's particularly tragic about that episode is that he gets a human body, and for no explicable reason, gets his ice powers back. However, Mr. Freeze has a history of tragedy in the {{DCAU}}, Franchise/{{DCAU}}, and while his {{backstory}} gave him depth, his later appearances in the ''The New Batman Adventures'' made him a bit of a ButtMonkey.)
21st Nov '16 8:32:14 AM Morgenthaler
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* As mentioned under ScienceRelatedMemeticDisorder, this is a recurring problem for reforming mad scientists in ''AMiracleOfScience''; the medication makes their heads fuzzy so they can't think clearly, and they tend to abandon it and relapse. In the words of one, "When you're a [[MadScientist recovering mad scientist]], you're always afraid you'll lose control and wake up some morning with a half-built [[TimeTravel time machine]] and [[ThePlan a plan to go back in time]] and [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct pants Hitler]]..."

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* As mentioned under ScienceRelatedMemeticDisorder, this is a recurring problem for reforming mad scientists in ''AMiracleOfScience''; ''Webcomic/AMiracleOfScience''; the medication makes their heads fuzzy so they can't think clearly, and they tend to abandon it and relapse. In the words of one, "When you're a [[MadScientist recovering mad scientist]], you're always afraid you'll lose control and wake up some morning with a half-built [[TimeTravel time machine]] and [[ThePlan a plan to go back in time]] and [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct pants Hitler]]..."
15th Nov '16 1:19:16 PM KeithM
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** The live-action ''{{Gotham}}'' has provided a new explanation on the Riddler's compulsion: while Edward Nygma has a fascination and fixation on puzzles and riddles and complex plans, he's able to turn it off when necessary. His real addiction is that he's an adrenaline junkie and realizes he gets a high off of ''nearly'' getting caught. Given his obvious genius, how better to ensure that people not as smart nearly catch him? Leave clues and hints behind.
6th Oct '16 8:31:37 PM nombretomado
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* There was the guy from ''EverybodyHatesChris'', who he sent to jail. He comes back and asks Chris to help him complete high school. They succeed, but he goes back to robbing because it's more exciting than a real job.

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* There was the guy from ''EverybodyHatesChris'', ''Series/EverybodyHatesChris'', who he sent to jail. He comes back and asks Chris to help him complete high school. They succeed, but he goes back to robbing because it's more exciting than a real job.
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