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16th Dec '17 5:08:36 AM Theokal3
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* Any ''ComicBook/LuckyLuke'' story about trying to redeem [[ArchEnemy the Dalton Brothers]] is doomed to end with them being back to villainy.

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* Any ''ComicBook/LuckyLuke'' story about trying to redeem [[ArchEnemy the Dalton Brothers]] is doomed to end with them being back to villainy.villainy, due to them being {{Card Carrying Villain}}s to such a degree they genuinely think leading a honest life is horrifying. Most notably, ''Marcel Dalton'', which involves their uncle trying to reform them as employees in a bank he recently bought, has the entire book focused on them struggling to get accepted in the town and competing with a corrupt rival banker. They eventually succeed... only for the Dalton to turn on their uncle at the last minute and escape so they can go back to being criminals. After this event, Marcel Dalton recognizes his nephews cannot be redeemed, and allows Luke to arrest them.


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* A downplayed case in ''ComicBook/SpirouAndFantasio''; when Zantafio was first introduced in ''Spirou et les Héritiers'' as a crooked rival to Fantasio for their uncle's legacy, the book ended with him saving Spirou and Fantasio, reconciling with them and giving up on the legacy (despite Fantasio being willing to share it), deciding instead to make his own life in Palombia. When he came back in ''Le Dictateur et le Champignon'', it turned out he had become a ruthless dictator in Palombia and was now planning to make a WarForFunAndProfit, putting him in an antagonistic role once again. Every appearance after this has despicted him as possibly the vilest character in the series.
31st Oct '17 10:10:26 PM SilverFang
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* ''{{ComicBook/Sabretooth}}'' is a big example, when it comes to his predatory instincts. He was [[HeelFaceBrainwashing inverted]] during ''{{ComicBook/AXIS}}'' and tried to genuinely atone for all his evil. But, the inversion wasn't meant to last. He shows signs of slipping in ''ComicBook/UncannyXMen2015'' when he's hunting a dinosaur and tries to reign himself in, but can't. Chapter 17 has a lengthy inner monologue with him admitting that his inverted self is a lie, but confessing that he doesn't wanna let it go. He tries to hold on to it, but the old him is coming & fighting back -the Creed who cared about nothing but the kill. He also thinks about how he daydreams of slaughtering the X-Men while he fought alongside them, because that's what he was supposed to be doing. [[Characters/GenerationX Monet St. Croix]] becomes his MoralityChain]] when he thinks about fighting for her -wanting to help cure her curse and stay true to his promise of keeping her secret. The run's finale showed he ran off with her.
** Sadly, as of the ''ComicBook/ResurrXion'' relaunch, Creed doesn't seem to be doing better. He doesn't appear completely evil yet, but he's clearly not as good as before. He's [[LeftHanging no longer with Monet]] and was shown to be living by himself in the woods at the start of Weapon X. For now, he's focusing all his sadism & murderous tendencies on bad guys -as opposed to innocents. He tried to plead his case of killing Weapon H because he's too dangerous to be left alive, especially if he were to rampage through a city of innocent people.

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* ''{{ComicBook/Sabretooth}}'' is a big example, when it comes to his predatory instincts. He was [[HeelFaceBrainwashing inverted]] during ''{{ComicBook/AXIS}}'' and tried to genuinely atone for all his evil. But, the inversion wasn't meant to last. He shows signs of slipping in ''ComicBook/UncannyXMen2015'' when he's hunting a dinosaur and tries to reign himself in, but can't. Chapter 17 has a lengthy inner monologue with him admitting that his inverted self is a lie, but confessing that he doesn't wanna let it go. He tries to hold on to it, but the old him is coming & fighting back -the Creed who cared about nothing but the kill. He also thinks about how he daydreams of slaughtering the X-Men while he fought alongside them, because that's what he was supposed to be doing. [[Characters/GenerationX Monet St. Croix]] becomes his MoralityChain]] MoralityChain when he thinks about fighting for her -wanting to help cure her curse and stay true to his promise of keeping her secret. The run's finale showed he ran off with her.
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** Sadly, Sadly for the reformed Creed, he's not doing as of well with the ''ComicBook/ResurrXion'' relaunch, Creed doesn't seem to be doing better. He doesn't appear completely evil yet, but he's clearly not as good as before. He's [[LeftHanging no longer with Monet]] and was shown to be living by himself in the woods at the start of Weapon X. For now, he's focusing all his sadism & murderous tendencies on bad guys -as opposed to innocents. He tried to plead his case of killing Weapon H because WordOfGod says he's too dangerous going to be left alive, especially if he were to rampage through a city of innocent people.continue exploring Creed's morality in the series.
31st Oct '17 9:54:31 PM SilverFang
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* ''{{ComicBook/Sabretooth}}'' is a big example, when it comes to his predatory instincts. He was [[HeelFaceBrainwashing inverted]] during ''{{ComicBook/AXIS}}'' and tried to genuinely atone for all his evil. But, the inversion wasn't meant to last. He shows signs of slipping in ''ComicBook/UncannyXMen2015'' when he's hunting a dinosaur and tries to reign himself in, but can't. Chapter 17 has a lengthy inner monologue with him admitting that his inverted self is a lie, but confessing that he doesn't wanna let it go. He tries to hold on to it, but the old him is coming & fighting back -the Creed who cared about nothing but the kill. He also thinks about how he daydreams of slaughtering the X-Men while he fought alongside them, because that's what he was supposed to be doing. [[Characters/GenerationX Monet St. Croix]] becomes his MoralityChain]] when he thinks about fighting for her -wanting to help cure her curse and stay true to his promise of keeping her secret. The run's finale showed he ran off with her.
** Sadly, as of the ''ComicBook/ResurrXion'' relaunch, Creed doesn't seem to be doing better. He doesn't appear completely evil yet, but he's clearly not as good as before. He's [[LeftHanging no longer with Monet]] and was shown to be living by himself in the woods at the start of Weapon X. For now, he's focusing all his sadism & murderous tendencies on bad guys -as opposed to innocents. He tried to plead his case of killing Weapon H because he's too dangerous to be left alive, especially if he were to rampage through a city of innocent people.
14th Oct '17 4:38:44 PM jormis29
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* Well done by Mickey Rourke in the titular character of ''Johnny Handsome''.

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* Well done by Mickey Rourke in the titular character of ''Johnny Handsome''.''Film/JohnnyHandsome''.
9th Sep '17 9:46:39 PM Griffonmender
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* ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'''s [[spoiler: Kirei Kotomine]], so, so very much. He perfectly understands right and wrong, just the 'switch' inside humans where we [[GoodFeelsGood feel good for doing good]] is stuck [[EvilFeelsGood the other way]]. Did some evil, felt happy, realised he was doing evil, tried to do good, became a pirest specialising in healing magic, and settled down with a family. His wife died, and he realised that all he felt was disappointment that he hadn't been able to kill her. He then realises that he is utterly unable to get any pleasure from life unless he's causing pain and suffering. From there, it just took a small push ([[SarcasmMode thank you]], [[Literature/FateZero Gilgamesh]]) for him to try to unleash every evil known to mankind on the world. When TheHero asks him why he's doing it, he replies with a speech that can be summed up as: [[ForTheEvulz "Just as some people find music or art entertaining, I can only find amusement in watching other people suffer."]]

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* ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'''s [[spoiler: Kirei Kotomine]], so, so very much. He perfectly understands right and wrong, just the 'switch' inside humans where we [[GoodFeelsGood feel good for doing good]] is stuck [[EvilFeelsGood the other way]]. Did some evil, felt happy, realised he was doing evil, tried to do good, became a pirest priest specialising in healing magic, and settled down with a family. His wife died, and he realised that all he felt was disappointment that he hadn't been able to kill her. He then realises that he is utterly unable to get any pleasure from life unless he's causing pain and suffering. From there, it just took a small push ([[SarcasmMode thank you]], [[Literature/FateZero Gilgamesh]]) for him to try to unleash every evil known to mankind on the world. When TheHero asks him why he's doing it, he replies with a speech that can be summed up as: [[ForTheEvulz "Just as some people find music or art entertaining, I can only find amusement in watching other people suffer."]]
25th Aug '17 6:29:33 AM CosmicFerret
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* Many enemies of TheFlash who are genuinely insane have gone through this, most prominently, Wally West's ex-girlfriend, Magenta (another case of [[SuperPoweredEvilSide psychotic power]]). Pyromaniac recidivist Heat Wave went straight with a federal job...but he burnt down a bar he went to after leaving the office. (Frustratingly, this came after a pretty lengthy period of nonvillainy--the character has been straight for nearly as long as he's been a criminal.)

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* Many enemies of TheFlash Franchise/TheFlash who are genuinely insane have gone through this, most prominently, Wally West's ex-girlfriend, Magenta (another case of [[SuperPoweredEvilSide psychotic power]]). Pyromaniac recidivist Heat Wave went straight with a federal job...but he burnt down a bar he went to after leaving the office. (Frustratingly, this came after a pretty lengthy period of nonvillainy--the character has been straight for nearly as long as he's been a criminal.)



* {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'', where the Trickster returns to his obsessions and is talked down from it by TheFlash.

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* {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'', where the Trickster returns to his obsessions and is talked down from it by TheFlash.Franchise/TheFlash.
27th Jun '17 1:12:54 PM Austin
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** The Crown Prince of this is The Riddler, who has reformed countless times, only to fall back into crime due to obsessing over beating the Bat. However, this trope still applies to a large portion of Batman's rogues gallery, most prominently, Two-Face (who is probably a [[IncrediblyLamePun close second]] to the Riddler), The Ventriloquist, Mr. Freeze, and Harley Quinn. The second version, of a character whose power makes them evil and slowly returns them to villainy, is present in Man Bat and certain incarnations of Clayface.

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** The Crown Prince of this is The Riddler, ComicBook/TheRiddler, who has reformed countless times, only to fall back into crime due to obsessing over beating the Bat. However, this trope still applies to a large portion of Batman's rogues gallery, most prominently, Two-Face (who is probably a [[IncrediblyLamePun close second]] to the Riddler), The Ventriloquist, Mr. Freeze, and Harley Quinn. The second version, of a character whose power makes them evil and slowly returns them to villainy, is present in Man Bat and certain incarnations of Clayface.



* Loki never stops trying to usurp Asgard and defeat [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] for many reasons. He is TheUnfavorite of Asgard, being a trickster magician instead of a warrior, [[FreudianExcuse and so he can never truly believe that Odin and Thor truly love him as family,]] despite the fact that every time Loki's schemes fail, Odin and Thor always eventually forgive him and give him another chance. It got so bad that Loki actually let himself die at the conclusion of "Siege" and be reborn as a relatively innocent child in an attempt to ''escape'' Chronic Villainy. As the last remnants of his past life explains to the new Loki, he had become predictable in his treachery and, as a god of chaos and trickery, he would rather die than be predictable. [[spoiler: And, predictably, all of that actually was a scheme to dupe others into thinking that Loki has truly changed (at the moment when everyone but Thor gave up any hope of redeeming him), by using Kid Loki's innocence and then overwriting his personality with the Old Loki memories. Proving once again that Loki cannot escape this trope. His younger self [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech calls him out on it]], though he tries to deny it.]]

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* Loki ComicBook/{{Loki}} never stops trying to usurp Asgard and defeat [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] for many reasons. He is TheUnfavorite of Asgard, being a trickster magician instead of a warrior, [[FreudianExcuse and so he can never truly believe that Odin and Thor truly love him as family,]] despite the fact that every time Loki's schemes fail, Odin and Thor always eventually forgive him and give him another chance. It got so bad that Loki actually let himself die at the conclusion of "Siege" and be reborn as a relatively innocent child in an attempt to ''escape'' Chronic Villainy. As the last remnants of his past life explains to the new Loki, he had become predictable in his treachery and, as a god of chaos and trickery, he would rather die than be predictable. [[spoiler: And, predictably, all of that actually was a scheme to dupe others into thinking that Loki has truly changed (at the moment when everyone but Thor gave up any hope of redeeming him), by using Kid Loki's innocence and then overwriting his personality with the Old Loki memories. Proving once again that Loki cannot escape this trope. His younger self [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech calls him out on it]], though he tries to deny it.]]
9th May '17 2:48:01 AM CountDorku
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** The Joker underwent a Riddler Reform in "Going Sane", a StoryArc from the comic ''Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight''. The only times where he's ever been indicated to reform are when he thinks Batman's dead. When Batman ends up alive, he returns.

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** The Joker underwent a Riddler Reform in "Going Sane", a StoryArc from the comic ''Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight''. The only times where he's ever been indicated to reform are when he thinks Batman's dead. When Batman ends up alive, he returns.



** But then, even the Penguin, often regarded as the OnlySaneMan among his enemies, had this once. In a two-part story (released as {{homage}} to the late Burgess Meredith) Copplepot got restless and bored in his current role as TheDon, and despite having vowed to stop getting involved personally, undertook a series of crimes just to prove he was superior to Batman. He failed, but convinced Batman to let him go (as he'd likely be let OffOnATechnicality if arrested), and decided to go "back to my lounge booth - where I should have ''stayed''."

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** But then, even the Penguin, often regarded as the OnlySaneMan among his enemies, had this once. In a two-part story (released as {{homage}} to the late Burgess Meredith) Copplepot Cobblepot got restless and bored in his current role as TheDon, and despite having vowed to stop getting involved personally, undertook a series of crimes just to prove he was superior to Batman. He failed, but convinced Batman to let him go (as he'd likely be let OffOnATechnicality if arrested), and decided to go "back to my lounge booth - where I should have ''stayed''." "
** A major theme of more modern Batman comics is that [[NotSoDifferent Bruce Wayne may not be much saner than his rogues' gallery]], meaning that he has a heroic version of this that ''isn't'' ChronicHeroSyndrome (which is about righting every wrong you're presented with, rather than being unable to give up running about all night punching people). This is most notable in the "Going Sane" arc, in which the Joker disappeared from sight at about the same time that Batman did. Bruce, who has recovered in a small town and has been striking up a romance with the woman who nursed him back to health, returns to Gotham, hoping against hope that he won't find any trace of the Joker and can return there. Then he digs into local video rental store records and finds a lot of classic comedies being rented by a "[[PaperThinDisguise Joseph Kerr]]". He actually finds this rather upsetting.
-->''I've got you now, Joker. Heaven help me...I've got you.''
4th May '17 2:04:05 PM Gregzilla
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* Loki never stops trying to usurp Asgard and defeat [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] for many reasons. He is TheUnfavorite of Asgard, being a trickster magician instead of a warrior, [[FreudianExcuse and so he can never truly believe that Odin and Thor truly love him as family,]] despite the fact that every time Loki's schemes fail, Odin and Thor always eventually forgive him and give him another chance. It got so bad that Loki actually let himself die at the conclusion of "Siege" and be reborn as a relatively innocent child in an attempt to ''escape'' Chronic Villainy. As the last remnants of his past life explains to the new Loki, [[ReliableTraitor he had become predictable in his treachery]] and, as a god of chaos and trickery, he would rather die than be predictable. [[spoiler: And, predictably, all of that actually was a scheme to dupe others into thinking that Loki has truly changed (at the moment when everyone but Thor gave up any hope of redeeming him), by using Kid Loki's innocence and then overwriting his personality with the Old Loki memories. Proving once again that Loki cannot escape this trope. His younger self [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech calls him out on it]], though he tries to deny it.]]

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* Loki never stops trying to usurp Asgard and defeat [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] for many reasons. He is TheUnfavorite of Asgard, being a trickster magician instead of a warrior, [[FreudianExcuse and so he can never truly believe that Odin and Thor truly love him as family,]] despite the fact that every time Loki's schemes fail, Odin and Thor always eventually forgive him and give him another chance. It got so bad that Loki actually let himself die at the conclusion of "Siege" and be reborn as a relatively innocent child in an attempt to ''escape'' Chronic Villainy. As the last remnants of his past life explains to the new Loki, [[ReliableTraitor he had become predictable in his treachery]] treachery and, as a god of chaos and trickery, he would rather die than be predictable. [[spoiler: And, predictably, all of that actually was a scheme to dupe others into thinking that Loki has truly changed (at the moment when everyone but Thor gave up any hope of redeeming him), by using Kid Loki's innocence and then overwriting his personality with the Old Loki memories. Proving once again that Loki cannot escape this trope. His younger self [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech calls him out on it]], though he tries to deny it.]]
22nd Apr '17 12:11:14 AM maximsk
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* ''Series/BreakingBad'': Former chemistry teacher and ruthless meth kingpin Walter White always go back to his meth business, regardless to how much danger he puts himself and his family in. [[spoiler:In the last season, he eventually decides to leave the drug business and try and regain some semblance of normalcy in his life. Naturally, his crimes are discovered by his brother-in-law in the DEA less than 24 hours later, forcing him to go back to being Heisenberg again.]]

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* ''Series/BreakingBad'': Former chemistry teacher and ruthless meth kingpin Walter White always go goes back to his meth business, regardless to how much danger he puts himself and his family in. [[spoiler:In the last season, he eventually decides to leave the drug business and try and regain some semblance of normalcy in his life. Naturally, his crimes are discovered by his brother-in-law in the DEA less than 24 hours later, forcing him to go back to being Heisenberg again.]]
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