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23rd Sep '17 4:46:42 AM NightShade96
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* Creator/{{Christopher Priest|Comics}} used the same tactic when he got ahold of Comicbook/TheCreeper during his ''Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}}'' run. The Creeper had previously been heavily reimagined in the {{New 52}} as a DarkerAndEdgier Japanese {{Oni}}, much to the ire of his fans. Priest brought back the character's original appearance, and only mentioned the Oni stuff in passing with a line saying that the Creeper had been going through some changes recently, but was now feeling like his old self again.

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* Creator/{{Christopher Priest|Comics}} used the same tactic when he got ahold of Comicbook/TheCreeper during his ''Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}}'' run. The Creeper had previously been heavily reimagined in the {{New 52}} ComicBook/New52 as a DarkerAndEdgier Japanese {{Oni}}, much to the ire of his fans. Priest brought back the character's original appearance, and only mentioned the Oni stuff in passing with a line saying that the Creeper had been going through some changes recently, but was now feeling like his old self again.
2nd Sep '17 8:43:14 AM Arawn999
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* ComicBook/{{Carnage}} became increasingly megalomaniacal in the 2011 ''Carnage USA'' and 2014 ''Minimum Carnage'' story arcs, taking over the town of Doverton, Colorado in the former and seeking to conquer the Microverse in the latter. In ''Superior Carnage Annual'', however, Cletus remarks that he doesn't know what came over him and decides to go back to his roots as a chaos-obsessed mass-murderer.
--> '''Cletus:''' Dreaming of [[TakeOverTheCity taking over cities]]... [[DimensionLord conquering tiny universes]]. Thought I was thinking big! But those kinds of ambitions... they're ''lies''. Now the cataracts have been peeled from my eyes! I can see clearly! Back to the basics! Simple... beautiful... ''random'' ...Carnage!
22nd Aug '17 3:40:26 PM Tropetastic1995
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* Son Goku from ''Franchise/DragonBall'' is an example of how this kind of thing can backfire. Creator/AkiraToriyama expressed displeasure with the gradual AdaptationalHeroism Goku went through in the anime version of the story, [[WordOfGod saying that]] the character was always supposed to be a fight-obsessed simpleton who has a poor grasp of standard social mores and family values. ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', with Toriyama at the helm, puts Goku back in line with the original ideal, even having a scene where Goku himself says that he's not a hero, just a guy who loves a good fight more than anything else[[note]]he does acknowledge his fighting villains like Freeza, but simply says that he's not going to ignore a person in trouble[[/note]]. However, this has caused a bit of backlash among the fandom since without the adapted heroism, Goku does insane things just to get a good fight, up to and including putting a hit out '''on himself''' because he wanted to fight the assassin on equal terms. To fans who weren't aware of Toriyama's intentions it can look like Goku has taken a firm hold of the IdiotBall or JerkassBall, and even those who do know aren't happy.

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* Son Goku from ''Franchise/DragonBall'' * ''Franchise/DragonBall''
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is an example of how this kind of thing trope can backfire. Creator/AkiraToriyama expressed displeasure with the gradual AdaptationalHeroism Goku went through in the anime version of the story, [[WordOfGod saying that]] the character was always supposed to be a fight-obsessed simpleton who has a poor grasp of standard social mores and family values. ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', with Toriyama at the helm, puts Goku back in line with the original ideal, even having a scene where Goku himself says that he's not a hero, just a guy who loves a good fight more than anything else[[note]]he does acknowledge his fighting villains like Freeza, but simply says that he's not going to ignore a person in trouble[[/note]]. However, this has caused a bit of backlash among the fandom since without the adapted heroism, Goku does insane things just to get a good fight, up to and including putting a hit out '''on himself''' because he wanted to fight the assassin on equal terms. To fans who weren't aware of Toriyama's intentions it can look like Goku has taken a firm hold of the IdiotBall or JerkassBall, and even those who do know aren't happy.happy.
** Frieza, on the other hand, is an example of how this trope can play out positively. After his time as the ArcVillain and BigBad was up, the manga had Frieza [[AntiClimax anticlamactically]] [[TheWorfEffect worfed]] by future Trunks, whereafter he quit appearing, leaving him a memorable villain who simply got outstripped after his time in the limelight had ended, but nothing uncommonly undignified. The [[{{Filler}} anime]] and other extended media, however, kept bringing him back after this point and had him unceremonously subjected to [[VillainDecay more one-sided beatdowns]], and started characterizing him as a SmallNameBigEgo in the bigger scheme of things who CantCatchUp to the heroes. During ''Anime/ResurrectionF'', however, not only are all of his previous defeats explicitly removed from continuity, it is revealed that Frieza is an insanely talented prodigy who simply had never trained. During his comeback, Frieza returns as an opponent with power and cruelty to be feared, and his [[spoiler: second return during the Universe Survival Arc drives the point home that, regardless of whatever more powerful or skilled opponents Goku may face, Frieza will always be his most hated and vicious foe.]]
21st Aug '17 9:29:30 AM JoeMerl
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** With Giles, they at least took his character derailment to its logical conclusion of [[spoiler: RedemptionEqualsDeath.]]

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** With Giles, they at least took his character derailment to its logical conclusion of [[spoiler: RedemptionEqualsDeath.]]RedemptionEqualsDeath]].
10th Aug '17 3:09:57 PM Psi001
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* After being a whiny cynic on ''WesternAnimation/TheLooneyTunesShow'' Bugs Bunny is back to his {{KarmicTrickster}} personality he is better known for in ''WesternAnimation/WabbitALooneyTunesProduction''.

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* ''WesternAnimation/WabbitALooneyTunesProduction'':
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After being a whiny cynic on ''WesternAnimation/TheLooneyTunesShow'' Bugs Bunny is back to his {{KarmicTrickster}} personality he is better known for for.
** Adding onto the above example, when Daffy Duck is reintroduced
in ''WesternAnimation/WabbitALooneyTunesProduction''.the second season, his persona harks back completely to the initial ScrewySquirrel incarnation, perhaps more so than any appearance of him since the 1930s.
25th Jul '17 2:41:18 AM LinTaylor
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* Goku, TheHero of ''Franchise/DragonBall'', was per WordOfGod never meant to be as selfless as most people think of him as being thanks to AdaptationalHeroism, instead being much more selfish with no real understanding of family values and ranking a challenge higher than many other priorities. ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' is rerailing him to be much more selfish and caring more for a good fight than many other things (including his own life: he literally hired a universe-renowned assassin to kill himself just so said assassin wouldn't hold back at all), which has caused those unaware of this fact to think he's grabbed the IdiotBall or JerkassBall.

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* Goku, TheHero Son Goku from ''Franchise/DragonBall'' is an example of ''Franchise/DragonBall'', how this kind of thing can backfire. Creator/AkiraToriyama expressed displeasure with the gradual AdaptationalHeroism Goku went through in the anime version of the story, [[WordOfGod saying that]] the character was per WordOfGod never meant always supposed to be as selfless as most people think a fight-obsessed simpleton who has a poor grasp of him as being thanks to AdaptationalHeroism, instead being much more selfish with no real understanding of standard social mores and family values and ranking values. ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', with Toriyama at the helm, puts Goku back in line with the original ideal, even having a challenge higher than many other priorities. ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' is rerailing him to be much more selfish and caring more for scene where Goku himself says that he's not a hero, just a guy who loves a good fight more than many other things (including anything else[[note]]he does acknowledge his own life: he literally hired a universe-renowned assassin fighting villains like Freeza, but simply says that he's not going to kill himself just so said assassin wouldn't hold back at all), which ignore a person in trouble[[/note]]. However, this has caused those unaware a bit of this fact backlash among the fandom since without the adapted heroism, Goku does insane things just to think he's grabbed get a good fight, up to and including putting a hit out '''on himself''' because he wanted to fight the assassin on equal terms. To fans who weren't aware of Toriyama's intentions it can look like Goku has taken a firm hold of the IdiotBall or JerkassBall.JerkassBall, and even those who do know aren't happy.
13th Jul '17 8:08:41 AM TheUltimate3
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** ''Mists of Pandaria'' tried this with Tyrande. It didn't work.

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** ''Mists of Pandaria'' tried this with Tyrande. It didn't work.work and most people instead saw her as impulsive and stupid, failing basic military tactics and requiring someone several thousand years her junior to set her straight.
23rd Jun '17 10:22:50 AM DarkPhoenix94
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* ComicBook/{{Gambit}} started off as a RuleOfCool-based, MrFanservice ManipulativeBastard HandsomeLech [[DeathDealer Death Dealing]] BadassLongcoat who relished the challenge of getting his hands on the ForbiddenFruit Rogue, though stymied by his self-centered JerkAss qualities and the large number of people he pissed off in his thief career. Then, Rogue left him to die in Antarctica. After this, the result was a lot of {{Angst}} on Gambit's part, whose characterization was changed from the previously-described version to a [[{{Angst}} Self-loathing]] [[TheAtoner Atoner]] desperate to punish himself for his (morally blameless) role in the Mutant Massacre. More recent adaptations, however, have reached back to the character's roots: ''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine'' showed Gambit as competent, charming, handsome and relatively low-angst [[TheGambler card-shark]] who won a CoolPlane in a poker game, and ''WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen'' had Gambit as a mercenary, ruthless, charming, manipulative thief for hire (albeit in only two episodes). Whether or not this trend will continue is currently unknown.

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* ComicBook/{{Gambit}} started off as a RuleOfCool-based, MrFanservice ManipulativeBastard HandsomeLech [[DeathDealer Death Dealing]] BadassLongcoat who relished the challenge of getting his hands on the ForbiddenFruit Rogue, though stymied by his self-centered JerkAss qualities and the large number of people he pissed off in his thief career. Then, Rogue left him to die in Antarctica. After this, the result was a lot of {{Angst}} on Gambit's part, whose characterization was changed from the previously-described version to a [[{{Angst}} Self-loathing]] [[TheAtoner Atoner]] desperate to punish himself for his (morally blameless) role in the Mutant Massacre. More recent adaptations, however, have reached back to the character's roots: ''Film/XMenOriginsWolverine'' showed Gambit as competent, charming, handsome and relatively low-angst [[TheGambler card-shark]] who won a CoolPlane in a poker game, and ''WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen'' had Gambit as a mercenary, ruthless, charming, manipulative thief for hire (albeit in only two episodes). Whether or not this trend will continue is currently unknown. unknown, though his recent solo series, which compromises by having him return to his thieving roots and ultimately becoming King of Thieves, while remaining a loose faculty member at the Jean Grey School (Wolverine explains that they don't actually expect him to turn up much... but they trust him to be there when it counts, when he's really needed), before joining X-Factor, but still remaining King of Thieves.
11th Jun '17 2:48:20 PM nombretomado
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** However, his role in the Mutant Massacre brings him to derailment in other ways: he's a villain in both ''XMenEvolution'' and ''WATXM,'' because apparently leading the Marauders to the Morlock tunnels having ''no idea'' what's about to happen makes you a bad guy. However, it's softer in X-Evo, as he's found in the employ of Magneto, whose CharacterDevelopment is well on its way (though he's still mostly in opposition to the X-Men) by the time Gambit shows up. Still, we last saw Gambit as an X-Man in animation in the 1990s series.

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** However, his role in the Mutant Massacre brings him to derailment in other ways: he's a villain in both ''XMenEvolution'' ''WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution'' and ''WATXM,'' because apparently leading the Marauders to the Morlock tunnels having ''no idea'' what's about to happen makes you a bad guy. However, it's softer in X-Evo, as he's found in the employ of Magneto, whose CharacterDevelopment is well on its way (though he's still mostly in opposition to the X-Men) by the time Gambit shows up. Still, we last saw Gambit as an X-Man in animation in the 1990s series.
17th May '17 11:15:03 AM lillolillo
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** ComicBook/{{Bane}} has had this a lot. He started out as a GeniusBruiser that used a drug called Venom to augment his already impressive strength, and managed to exhaust Batman enough that he easily won their first fight, and broke Batman's back. He basically became known for ''only'' breaking Batman's back and his use of venom, and became DumbMuscle subject to TheWorfEffect. Gail Simone's ''ComicBook/SecretSix'' run would revert him to GenuisBruiser and have him try to wean himself off Venom. ''However'', then the New 52 reboot hit and Bane was back to being DumbMuscle and constantly using Venom, though ''sometimes'' showed a GeniusBruiser side. Eventually, Tom King would revert him to GeniusBruiser in his ''Batman'' run, while having Bane's Venom use be a more mental thing, with it not only augmenting his considerable physical strength, but also removing his ability to feel fear, implied to be why Bane ''really'' used Venom.
* Hal Jordan of the {{Green Lantern}}s went through this after he [[FaceHeelTurn went insane]] and killed most of the other Lanterns. It was eventually revealed that he'd been possessed by Parallax, the embodiment of fear, and though at the time this seemed like an AssPull both Parallax and the Sinestro Corps have gone on to become an integral part of the Green Lantern mythos. Oh, and several of the dead Lanterns turn out to be alive.
* Writer Creator/PeterDavid, who wrote ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk'' for 12 years, disliked the changes made by a subsequent writer so much that when he came back to write the title, he had the entire previous storyline revealed to have been AllJustADream.

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** ComicBook/{{Bane}} has had this a lot. He started out as a GeniusBruiser that used a drug called Venom to augment his already impressive strength, and managed to exhaust Batman enough that he easily won their first fight, and broke Batman's back. He basically became known for ''only'' breaking Batman's back and his use of venom, and became DumbMuscle subject to TheWorfEffect. Gail Simone's ''ComicBook/SecretSix'' run would revert him to GenuisBruiser GeniusBruiser and have him try to wean himself off Venom. ''However'', then the New 52 reboot hit and Bane was back to being DumbMuscle and constantly using Venom, though ''sometimes'' showed a GeniusBruiser side. Eventually, Tom King would revert him to GeniusBruiser in his ''Batman'' run, while having Bane's Venom use be a more mental thing, with it not only augmenting his considerable physical strength, but also removing his ability to feel fear, implied to be why Bane ''really'' used Venom.
* Franchise/GreenLantern Hal Jordan of the {{Green Lantern}}s went through this after he [[FaceHeelTurn went insane]] and killed most of the other Lanterns. It was eventually revealed that he'd been possessed by Parallax, the embodiment of fear, and though at the time this seemed like an AssPull both Parallax and the Sinestro Corps have gone on to become an integral part of the Green Lantern mythos. Oh, and several of the dead Lanterns turn out to be alive.
* Writer Creator/PeterDavid, who wrote ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk'' ''Franchise/TheIncredibleHulk'' for 12 years, disliked the changes made by a subsequent writer so much that when he came back to write the title, he had the entire previous storyline revealed to have been AllJustADream.



* The entire purpose of ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' was to get Spider-Man single again and make him "young and fresh" again. In order to do this, he was made to [[CharacterDerailment make a deal with Mephisto to save his aunt from dying, at the cost of his wife and unborn child]], then was reset to being single, "young and fresh", and... living with his elderly aunt again. Safe to say, this [[ThisLoserIsYou didn't work out so well]], but later writers have done their best to salvage it.

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* The entire purpose of ''ComicBook/OneMoreDay'' was to get Spider-Man Franchise/SpiderMan single again and make him "young and fresh" again. In order to do this, he was made to [[CharacterDerailment make a deal with Mephisto to save his aunt from dying, at the cost of his wife and unborn child]], then was reset to being single, "young and fresh", and... living with his elderly aunt again. Safe to say, this [[ThisLoserIsYou didn't work out so well]], but later writers have done their best to salvage it.



* An issue of Chris Claremont's ''Uncanny X-Men'' had the villain Arcade light a match on Doctor Doom's armour, with Doom just allowing it. Many felt this was CharacterDerailment, and as it turns out, so did John Byrne. During his run on the title, he retconned that the Doom who worked with Arcade was actually a Doombot, and when the real Doom questions it on how he killed Arcade for such an act, the Doombot says it did not, for it felt Doom may need Arcade. [[https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8100/8559598933_ed6cfbbdb0_b.jpg Doom then casually destroys the Doombot]], exclaiming, "Doom needs ''no one''." This actually became one of Doom's most memorable moments as a character.

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* An issue of Chris Claremont's ''Uncanny X-Men'' ''Franchise/XMen'' had the villain Arcade light a match on Doctor Doom's Comicbook/DoctorDoom's armour, with Doom just allowing it. Many felt this was CharacterDerailment, and as it turns out, so did John Byrne. During his run on the title, he retconned that the Doom who worked with Arcade was actually a Doombot, and when the real Doom questions it on how he killed Arcade for such an act, the Doombot says it did not, for it felt Doom may need Arcade. [[https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8100/8559598933_ed6cfbbdb0_b.jpg Doom then casually destroys the Doombot]], exclaiming, "Doom needs ''no one''." This actually became one of Doom's most memorable moments as a character.character.
* Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} was originally a short-tempered but optimistic, sweet girl. When she was reintroduced in 2004, editors thought the best way to bring the character up to date was characterizing her as a permanently angry, immature, edgy jerkass. Fans hated it and mass-dropped the book. The next creative team hurried to revert her to her kind-hearted self, and writer Sterling Gates dismissed her initial weird characterization as temporary Kryptonite-induced craziness. No one complained.



* The main aim of most [[FixFic fixfics]].



* In ''{{Charmed}}'' Phoebe's character was seriously derailed in Season 5 and remained loathed by the fanbase. But when Season 8 came along, we saw a return to a maturer version of the original Phoebe. She was a lot less self-centred and less boy crazy - her SerialRomeo lifestyle was actually Deconstructed.

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* In ''{{Charmed}}'' ''Series/{{Charmed}}'' Phoebe's character was seriously derailed in Season 5 and remained loathed by the fanbase. But when Season 8 came along, we saw a return to a maturer version of the original Phoebe. She was a lot less self-centred and less boy crazy - her SerialRomeo lifestyle was actually Deconstructed.
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