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20th Jun '16 11:54:19 PM Luppercus
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* Buddhism considers all animal life form sentient, they refer to them as sentient beings, which is why some branches of Buddhism prescribe a Vegetarian diet. Most, nevertheless, do not arguing that even been sentient is still OK to eat for survival or health reasons (but still not to do unnecesary harm).

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* Buddhism considers all animal life form sentient, they refer to them as sentient beings, which is why some branches of Buddhism prescribe a Vegetarian diet. Most, nevertheless, do not arguing that even been sentient is still OK to eat them for survival or health reasons (but still not to do unnecesary harm).harm). Some also allow to eat meat if you didn't kill the animal, as if the animal dies for natural causes or a non-Buddhist already kill it (the latter can be seen as a case of LoopholeAbuse, but the logic behind it is that the Karma for a Buddhist is worst for killing animals as the Buddhist knows better, whilst non-Buddhist can argue ignorance).



* Dolphines are considered sentient for most scientists and they are hunted and ate in Japan, this is a polemic subjects and a lot of people is against, precisely due to the fact of their intelligence. A former fisher turn opponent of the practice mentions that he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGKPhdsWSIstops hunting them because he saw their behavior and how they cried]].

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* Dolphines are considered sentient for most scientists and they are hunted and ate in Japan, this is a polemic subjects subject and a lot of people is against, precisely due to the fact of their intelligence. A former fisher turn opponent of the practice mentions that he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGKPhdsWSIstops hunting them because he saw their behavior and how they cried]].
20th Jun '16 11:49:54 PM Luppercus
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* Buddhism considers all animal life form sentient, they refer to them as sentient beings, which is why some branches of Buddhism prescribe a Vegetarian diet. Most, nevertheless, do not arguing that even been sentient is still OK to eat for survival or health reasons (but still not to do unnecesary harm).
* Hinduism also prescribes Vegetarianism for similar reasons. Contrary to popular believe, cows are not "sacred" is just considered wrong to eat the flesh of the one who give you milk (as a mother), some branches of Hinduism though allow to eat animal meat if they are already dead and/or in the case no other food sources is at hand.
* Some Native American tribes have certain animals as forbitten food as they were considered the ancestors of the tribe.
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* Dolphines are considered sentient for most scientists and they are hunted and ate in Japan, this is a polemic subjects and a lot of people is against, precisely due to the fact of their intelligence. A former fisher turn opponent of the practice mentions that he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGKPhdsWSIstops hunting them because he saw their behavior and how they cried]].
* Hunting of chimps for food was also a common practice in some African countries, untill was outlawed in most of them. The President of one of these countries even said that he considered it close to cannibalism.
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1st Jun '16 10:44:22 AM Pichu-kun
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** Generation1 characters were generally somewhat [[CivilizedAnimal civilized animals]], and generally acted like horses that just happened to talk and live in castles, and occasionally wear clothes. Various non-pony species were also portrayed as sentient in G1. Almost everything they ate - whether it popcorn or grass - was normally something a vegetarian could... yet there's a pony named Munchy, who has pictures of hot dogs and hamburgers all over her body, and her card refers to ponies ''eating'' hot dogs.[[note]][[RealityIsUnrealistic Surprisingly, horses will happily eat hot dogs and burgers in real life.]][[/note]] If that same backcard story is any indication, Munchy simply transforms things into junk food via magic, thereby sidestepping the whole issue.

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** Generation1 Generation 1 characters were generally somewhat [[CivilizedAnimal civilized animals]], and generally acted like horses that just happened to talk and live in castles, and occasionally wear clothes. Various non-pony species were also portrayed as sentient in G1. Almost everything they ate - whether it popcorn or grass - was normally something a vegetarian could... yet there's a pony named Munchy, who has pictures of hot dogs and hamburgers all over her body, and her card refers to ponies ''eating'' hot dogs.[[note]][[RealityIsUnrealistic Surprisingly, horses will happily eat hot dogs and burgers in real life.]][[/note]] If that same backcard story is any indication, Munchy simply transforms things into junk food via magic, thereby sidestepping the whole issue.
1st Jun '16 10:43:47 AM Pichu-kun
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* Generation 1 ''MyLittlePony'' characters were generally somewhat [[CivilizedAnimal civilized animals]], and generally acted like horses that just happened to talk and live in castles and occasionally wear clothes. Various non-pony species were also portrayed as sentient in G1. Almost everything they ate - whether it popcorn or grass - was normally something a vegetarian could... yet there's a pony named Munchy, who has pictures of hot dogs and hamburgers all over her body, and her card refers to ponies ''eating'' hot dogs.[[note]][[RealityIsUnrealistic Surprisingly, horses will happily eat hot dogs and burgers in real life.]][[/note]] If that same backcard story is any indication, Munchy simply transforms things into junk food via magic, thereby sidestepping the whole issue.

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* Generation 1 ''MyLittlePony'' ''Franchise/MyLittlePony'':
** Generation1
characters were generally somewhat [[CivilizedAnimal civilized animals]], and generally acted like horses that just happened to talk and live in castles castles, and occasionally wear clothes. Various non-pony species were also portrayed as sentient in G1. Almost everything they ate - whether it popcorn or grass - was normally something a vegetarian could... yet there's a pony named Munchy, who has pictures of hot dogs and hamburgers all over her body, and her card refers to ponies ''eating'' hot dogs.[[note]][[RealityIsUnrealistic Surprisingly, horses will happily eat hot dogs and burgers in real life.]][[/note]] If that same backcard story is any indication, Munchy simply transforms things into junk food via magic, thereby sidestepping the whole issue.



4th May '16 10:57:34 PM Fireblood
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* A increasingly popular option in fiction has been to render the carnivore's prey in a realistic, [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute non-cute manner]]. The prey does not talk -- the prey is not humanized in any way. [[NoCartoonFish Fish]], in particular, are nearly always a viable mealtime option, unless they're major characters. Invertebrates of all kinds usually get a pass as well, such as Chomper's diet in ''WesternAnimation/TheLandBeforeTime''.

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* A An increasingly popular option in fiction has been to render the carnivore's prey in a realistic, [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute non-cute manner]]. The prey does not talk -- the prey is not humanized in any way. [[NoCartoonFish Fish]], in particular, are nearly always a viable mealtime option, unless they're major characters. Invertebrates of all kinds usually get a pass as well, such as Chomper's diet in ''WesternAnimation/TheLandBeforeTime''.



* VegetarianCarnivore: Depart from real-world biology completely: the carnivore can choose to go vegan if they really want to. A common way of doing so is by rendering carnivorism as something similar to [[TropaholicsAnonymous alcoholism]]. (''WesternAnimation/AnAmericanTail'', ''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo'', ''{{Pride}}'', etc.)
* Somewhat similarly, the solution in works with more of a science fiction bent is that the technology available has created meat substitutes that are readily available for humans and animal carnivores. (''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' explicitly pointed this out in an early episode.)

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* VegetarianCarnivore: Depart from real-world biology completely: the carnivore can choose to go vegan if they really want to. A common way of doing so is by rendering carnivorism as something similar to [[TropaholicsAnonymous alcoholism]]. alcoholism]] (''WesternAnimation/AnAmericanTail'', ''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo'', ''{{Pride}}'', etc.)
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* Somewhat similarly, the solution in works with more of a science fiction bent is that the technology available has created meat substitutes that are readily available for humans and animal carnivores. carnivores (''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' explicitly pointed this out in an early episode.)episode).



* This may be caused by PredatorTurnedProtector: A carnivore for some reason decides to protect their prey and live with them.

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* This may be caused by PredatorTurnedProtector: A a carnivore for some reason decides to protect their prey and live with them.
4th May '16 3:47:06 PM BURGINABC
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See also SuperPersistentPredator, LetsMeetTheMeat, AscendedToCarnivorism, and ITasteDelicious. Compare FurryConfusion, CatsAreMean, ReptilesAreAbhorrent (notice that small lizards and turtles, two groups that include herbivores, get to be non-abhorrent far more frequently than snakes, which are all carnivores), and WhatMeasureIsANonCute. As with What Measure is a Non Cute, do not expect to see realistic animal behavior taken into account. When it's between a FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire and a human, it's WarmBloodbagsAreEverywhere. Things get ''really'' ugly when ImAHumanitarian or ToServeMan gets thrown into the mix.

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May or may not result in SapientEatSapient, depending on how it is handled. See also SuperPersistentPredator, LetsMeetTheMeat, AscendedToCarnivorism, and ITasteDelicious. Compare FurryConfusion, CatsAreMean, ReptilesAreAbhorrent (notice that small lizards and turtles, two groups that include herbivores, get to be non-abhorrent far more frequently than snakes, which are all carnivores), and WhatMeasureIsANonCute. As with What Measure is a Non Cute, do not expect to see realistic animal behavior taken into account. When it's between a FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire and a human, it's WarmBloodbagsAreEverywhere. Things get ''really'' ugly when ImAHumanitarian or ToServeMan gets thrown into the mix.
4th May '16 3:43:27 PM BURGINABC
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There's an [[ElephantInTheLivingRoom unspoken awkward issue]] in fiction involving {{Talking Animal}}s. If everyone can talk, and everyone at least implicitly has the same thoughts and feelings as everyone else regardless of species, does this mean predatory creatures are forced to engage in a form of murder to eat? Or is it more like ''cannibalism?'' And then [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman what happens when]] [[LionsAndTigersAndHumansOhMy human characters are added into the mix]]? Let's not get started on AnthropomorphicFood...

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There's an [[ElephantInTheLivingRoom unspoken awkward issue]] in fiction involving {{Talking Animal}}s. If everyone can talk, and everyone at least implicitly has the same thoughts and feelings as everyone else regardless of species, does this mean predatory creatures are forced to [[SapientEatSapient engage in a form of murder to eat? eat?]] Or is it more like ''cannibalism?'' And then [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman what happens when]] [[LionsAndTigersAndHumansOhMy human characters are added into the mix]]? Let's not get started on AnthropomorphicFood...
23rd Apr '16 11:37:19 AM TVRulezAgain
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* A increasingly popular option in fiction has been to render the carnivore's prey in a realistic, [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute non-cute manner]]. The prey does not talk -- the prey is not humanized in any way. [[NoCartoonFish Fish]], in particular, are nearly always a viable mealtime option, unless they're major characters. Invertebrates of all kinds usually get a pass as well, such as Chomper's diet in ''WesternAnimation/LandBeforeTime''.

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* A increasingly popular option in fiction has been to render the carnivore's prey in a realistic, [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute non-cute manner]]. The prey does not talk -- the prey is not humanized in any way. [[NoCartoonFish Fish]], in particular, are nearly always a viable mealtime option, unless they're major characters. Invertebrates of all kinds usually get a pass as well, such as Chomper's diet in ''WesternAnimation/LandBeforeTime''.''WesternAnimation/TheLandBeforeTime''.
12th Apr '16 6:24:45 PM SpaceDrake
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* By far the most common approach, especially in older fiction, is the PredatorsAreMean subtrope. All your heroes are herbivores. All the villains are carnivores à la TheBigBadWolf from the Three Little Pigs.[[note]]In RealLife, pigs and wolves are both omnivores, eating both plants and other animals. Wolves will prey upon pigs, but only to the extent that they would prey on other organisms, e.g. it would be rewarding and they could pull it off without getting themselves killed.[[/note]] This subtrope is so strong culturally that people assume RealLife predators are mean, evil, and nasty, and all the herbivores are cute, cuddly, and friendly. Anyone with any knowledge of real animal behavior knows that's not the case at all; some herbivores like rhinos and hippos can be ''extremely'' aggressive, while social predators (wolves, orcas, etc.) can be tamed, trained, and even become companions.

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* By far the most common approach, especially in older fiction, is the PredatorsAreMean subtrope. All your heroes are herbivores. All the villains are carnivores à la TheBigBadWolf from the Three Little Pigs.[[note]]In RealLife, pigs and wolves are both omnivores, eating both plants and other animals. Wolves will prey upon pigs, but only to the extent that they would prey on other organisms, e.g. it would be rewarding and they could pull it off without getting themselves killed.[[/note]] This subtrope is so strong culturally that people assume RealLife predators are mean, evil, and nasty, and all the herbivores are cute, cuddly, and friendly. Anyone with any knowledge of real animal behavior knows that's not the case at all; some herbivores like rhinos and hippos can be ''extremely'' aggressive, while social predators (wolves, orcas, etc.) can be tamed, trained, and even become companions.companions - this is why domesticated dogs and cats, in real life, even ''exist'' in their modern forms.



* A increasingly popular option in fiction has been to render the carnivore's prey in a realistic, [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute non-cute manner]]. The prey does not talk -- the prey is not humanised in any way. [[NoCartoonFish Fish]], in particular, are nearly always a viable mealtime option, unless they're major characters. Invertebrates of all kinds usually get a pass as well, such as Chomper's diet in ''WesternAnimation/LandBeforeTime''.
* Similar to the option immediately above, some works such as ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'' and the ''Literature/{{Spellsinger}}'' novels make it clear that only some of the animals have human-like intelligence. In some fiction, there are explicit differences between the anthropomorphic and normal members of the same species -- bipedality, speech, clothing, etc. It's okay for a talking lion to eat a non-talking deer, but eating a talking deer would be tantamount to cannibalism.

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* A increasingly popular option in fiction has been to render the carnivore's prey in a realistic, [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute non-cute manner]]. The prey does not talk -- the prey is not humanised humanized in any way. [[NoCartoonFish Fish]], in particular, are nearly always a viable mealtime option, unless they're major characters. Invertebrates of all kinds usually get a pass as well, such as Chomper's diet in ''WesternAnimation/LandBeforeTime''.
* Similar to the option immediately above, some works such as ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'' and the ''Literature/{{Spellsinger}}'' novels make it clear that only some of the animals have human-like intelligence. In some fiction, there are explicit differences between the anthropomorphic and normal members of the same species -- bipedality, speech, clothing, etc. It's okay for a talking lion to eat a non-talking deer, but eating a talking deer would be tantamount to cannibalism.cannibalism, even for a human.
21st Mar '16 5:13:52 AM PianoMurderer
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** [[WordOfGod Word Of Fanfic Author]] is that in this continuity, meat is harvested from the non-sentient monster species. (Basically, if it's trying to kill and eat you, go right ahead and return the favor.) Ranching is a decidedly hazardous profession.

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** [[WordOfGod Word Of Fanfic Author]] is that in this continuity, meat is harvested from the non-sentient monster species. (Basically, if it's trying to kill and eat you, go right ahead and return the favor.) Ranching is a decidedly hazardous profession. There's also a cross-species agreement in place called The Treaty Of Menagerie, which basically states that none who consume meat shall take it from any who talk or think -- but not every race has signed off on it, with the Diamond Dogs and dragons noticeably absent.
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