History Main / CarnivoreConfusion

11th Aug '16 7:12:27 AM Snicka
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* Finally, predation can be treated as just a fact of life. See Creator/RudyardKipling's ''Literature/TheJungleBook'', the ''{{Dinotopia}}'' books, and the {{Webcomic}} ''Webcomic/KevinAndKell'', among a very, very few others: Carnivorism happens, it's nature, and it may even be incorporated as a part of both the talking animal economy and social structure.

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* Finally, predation can be [[PredationIsNatural treated as just a fact of life.life]]. See Creator/RudyardKipling's ''Literature/TheJungleBook'', the ''{{Dinotopia}}'' books, and the {{Webcomic}} ''Webcomic/KevinAndKell'', among a very, very few others: Carnivorism happens, it's nature, and it may even be incorporated as a part of both the talking animal economy and social structure.
6th Aug '16 11:13:14 AM Morgenthaler
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* Sometimes your heroes are predatory animals. Now carnivores are okay, so scavengers often become the [[VillainByDefault Villains By Default]]. The usual ethos is that only evil weirdos eat carrion, and only cowards do not hunt. They will be depicted as ugly and intimidating. Often the carnivorous heroes will [[ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything never been seen actually killing and/or eating another animal.]] Example: ''Disney/TheLionKing''.[[note]]Non-exclusive scavenging and predation is rarely used in fiction. In RealLife, lions scavenge off hyena kill more often than vice versa.[[/note]]

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* Sometimes your heroes are predatory animals. Now carnivores are okay, so scavengers [[ScavengersAreScum scavengers]] often become the [[VillainByDefault Villains By Default]]. The usual ethos is that only evil weirdos eat carrion, and only cowards do not hunt. They will be depicted as ugly and intimidating. Often the carnivorous heroes will [[ThePiratesWhoDontDoAnything never been be seen actually killing and/or eating another animal.]] Example: ''Disney/TheLionKing''.[[note]]Non-exclusive scavenging and predation is rarely used in fiction. In RealLife, lions scavenge off hyena kill more often than vice versa.[[/note]]
4th Aug '16 9:45:34 AM bitemytail
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* Dolphines are considered sentient for most scientists and they are hunted and ate in Japan, this is a polemic subject and a lot of people is against, precisely due to their intelligence. A former fisher turn opponent of the practice mentions that he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGKPhdsWSIstops hunting them because he saw their behavior and how they cried]].
* Hunting of chimps for food was also a common practice in some African countries, untill was outlawed in most of them. The President of one of these countries even said that he considered it close to cannibalism.
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29th Jul '16 12:59:19 PM ReaderAt2046
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* In Fanfic/RainbowDoubleDashsLunaverse, ponies can and occasionally do eat meat, though never from anything sapient. However, not all ponies really get the difference, and this has caused occasional friction between Trixie (whose hometown of Neigh Orleans has a much more meat-based cuisine than most regions of Equestria) and her friends.
4th Jul '16 1:01:32 AM Luppercus
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* Buddhism considers all animal life form sentient, they refer to them as sentient beings, which is why some branches of Buddhism prescribe a Vegetarian diet. Most, nevertheless, do not arguing that even been sentient is still OK to eat them for survival or health reasons (but still not to do unnecesary harm). Some also allow to eat meat if you didn't kill the animal, as if the animal dies for natural causes or a non-Buddhist already kill it (the latter can be seen as a case of LoopholeAbuse, but the logic behind it is that the Karma for a Buddhist is worst for killing animals as the Buddhist knows better, whilst non-Buddhist can argue ignorance).

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* Buddhism considers all animal life form sentient, they refer to them as sentient beings, which is why some branches of Buddhism prescribe a Vegetarian diet. Most, nevertheless, do not arguing consider that even been sentient is still OK to eat them for survival or health reasons (but still not to do unnecesary harm). Some also allow to eat meat if you didn't kill the animal, as if the animal dies for natural causes or a non-Buddhist already kill it (the latter can be seen as a case of LoopholeAbuse, but the logic behind it is that the Karma for a Buddhist is worst for killing animals as the Buddhist knows better, whilst non-Buddhist can argue ignorance).
20th Jun '16 11:54:19 PM Luppercus
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* Buddhism considers all animal life form sentient, they refer to them as sentient beings, which is why some branches of Buddhism prescribe a Vegetarian diet. Most, nevertheless, do not arguing that even been sentient is still OK to eat for survival or health reasons (but still not to do unnecesary harm).

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* Buddhism considers all animal life form sentient, they refer to them as sentient beings, which is why some branches of Buddhism prescribe a Vegetarian diet. Most, nevertheless, do not arguing that even been sentient is still OK to eat them for survival or health reasons (but still not to do unnecesary harm).harm). Some also allow to eat meat if you didn't kill the animal, as if the animal dies for natural causes or a non-Buddhist already kill it (the latter can be seen as a case of LoopholeAbuse, but the logic behind it is that the Karma for a Buddhist is worst for killing animals as the Buddhist knows better, whilst non-Buddhist can argue ignorance).



* Dolphines are considered sentient for most scientists and they are hunted and ate in Japan, this is a polemic subjects and a lot of people is against, precisely due to the fact of their intelligence. A former fisher turn opponent of the practice mentions that he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGKPhdsWSIstops hunting them because he saw their behavior and how they cried]].

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* Dolphines are considered sentient for most scientists and they are hunted and ate in Japan, this is a polemic subjects subject and a lot of people is against, precisely due to the fact of their intelligence. A former fisher turn opponent of the practice mentions that he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGKPhdsWSIstops hunting them because he saw their behavior and how they cried]].
20th Jun '16 11:49:54 PM Luppercus
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* Buddhism considers all animal life form sentient, they refer to them as sentient beings, which is why some branches of Buddhism prescribe a Vegetarian diet. Most, nevertheless, do not arguing that even been sentient is still OK to eat for survival or health reasons (but still not to do unnecesary harm).
* Hinduism also prescribes Vegetarianism for similar reasons. Contrary to popular believe, cows are not "sacred" is just considered wrong to eat the flesh of the one who give you milk (as a mother), some branches of Hinduism though allow to eat animal meat if they are already dead and/or in the case no other food sources is at hand.
* Some Native American tribes have certain animals as forbitten food as they were considered the ancestors of the tribe.
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[[folder:Real Life]]
* Dolphines are considered sentient for most scientists and they are hunted and ate in Japan, this is a polemic subjects and a lot of people is against, precisely due to the fact of their intelligence. A former fisher turn opponent of the practice mentions that he [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzGKPhdsWSIstops hunting them because he saw their behavior and how they cried]].
* Hunting of chimps for food was also a common practice in some African countries, untill was outlawed in most of them. The President of one of these countries even said that he considered it close to cannibalism.
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1st Jun '16 10:44:22 AM Pichu-kun
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** Generation1 characters were generally somewhat [[CivilizedAnimal civilized animals]], and generally acted like horses that just happened to talk and live in castles, and occasionally wear clothes. Various non-pony species were also portrayed as sentient in G1. Almost everything they ate - whether it popcorn or grass - was normally something a vegetarian could... yet there's a pony named Munchy, who has pictures of hot dogs and hamburgers all over her body, and her card refers to ponies ''eating'' hot dogs.[[note]][[RealityIsUnrealistic Surprisingly, horses will happily eat hot dogs and burgers in real life.]][[/note]] If that same backcard story is any indication, Munchy simply transforms things into junk food via magic, thereby sidestepping the whole issue.

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** Generation1 Generation 1 characters were generally somewhat [[CivilizedAnimal civilized animals]], and generally acted like horses that just happened to talk and live in castles, and occasionally wear clothes. Various non-pony species were also portrayed as sentient in G1. Almost everything they ate - whether it popcorn or grass - was normally something a vegetarian could... yet there's a pony named Munchy, who has pictures of hot dogs and hamburgers all over her body, and her card refers to ponies ''eating'' hot dogs.[[note]][[RealityIsUnrealistic Surprisingly, horses will happily eat hot dogs and burgers in real life.]][[/note]] If that same backcard story is any indication, Munchy simply transforms things into junk food via magic, thereby sidestepping the whole issue.
1st Jun '16 10:43:47 AM Pichu-kun
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* Generation 1 ''MyLittlePony'' characters were generally somewhat [[CivilizedAnimal civilized animals]], and generally acted like horses that just happened to talk and live in castles and occasionally wear clothes. Various non-pony species were also portrayed as sentient in G1. Almost everything they ate - whether it popcorn or grass - was normally something a vegetarian could... yet there's a pony named Munchy, who has pictures of hot dogs and hamburgers all over her body, and her card refers to ponies ''eating'' hot dogs.[[note]][[RealityIsUnrealistic Surprisingly, horses will happily eat hot dogs and burgers in real life.]][[/note]] If that same backcard story is any indication, Munchy simply transforms things into junk food via magic, thereby sidestepping the whole issue.

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* Generation 1 ''MyLittlePony'' ''Franchise/MyLittlePony'':
** Generation1
characters were generally somewhat [[CivilizedAnimal civilized animals]], and generally acted like horses that just happened to talk and live in castles castles, and occasionally wear clothes. Various non-pony species were also portrayed as sentient in G1. Almost everything they ate - whether it popcorn or grass - was normally something a vegetarian could... yet there's a pony named Munchy, who has pictures of hot dogs and hamburgers all over her body, and her card refers to ponies ''eating'' hot dogs.[[note]][[RealityIsUnrealistic Surprisingly, horses will happily eat hot dogs and burgers in real life.]][[/note]] If that same backcard story is any indication, Munchy simply transforms things into junk food via magic, thereby sidestepping the whole issue.



4th May '16 10:57:34 PM Fireblood
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* A increasingly popular option in fiction has been to render the carnivore's prey in a realistic, [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute non-cute manner]]. The prey does not talk -- the prey is not humanized in any way. [[NoCartoonFish Fish]], in particular, are nearly always a viable mealtime option, unless they're major characters. Invertebrates of all kinds usually get a pass as well, such as Chomper's diet in ''WesternAnimation/TheLandBeforeTime''.

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* A An increasingly popular option in fiction has been to render the carnivore's prey in a realistic, [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute non-cute manner]]. The prey does not talk -- the prey is not humanized in any way. [[NoCartoonFish Fish]], in particular, are nearly always a viable mealtime option, unless they're major characters. Invertebrates of all kinds usually get a pass as well, such as Chomper's diet in ''WesternAnimation/TheLandBeforeTime''.



* VegetarianCarnivore: Depart from real-world biology completely: the carnivore can choose to go vegan if they really want to. A common way of doing so is by rendering carnivorism as something similar to [[TropaholicsAnonymous alcoholism]]. (''WesternAnimation/AnAmericanTail'', ''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo'', ''{{Pride}}'', etc.)
* Somewhat similarly, the solution in works with more of a science fiction bent is that the technology available has created meat substitutes that are readily available for humans and animal carnivores. (''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' explicitly pointed this out in an early episode.)

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* VegetarianCarnivore: Depart from real-world biology completely: the carnivore can choose to go vegan if they really want to. A common way of doing so is by rendering carnivorism as something similar to [[TropaholicsAnonymous alcoholism]]. alcoholism]] (''WesternAnimation/AnAmericanTail'', ''WesternAnimation/FindingNemo'', ''{{Pride}}'', etc.)
etc).
* Somewhat similarly, the solution in works with more of a science fiction bent is that the technology available has created meat substitutes that are readily available for humans and animal carnivores. carnivores (''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' explicitly pointed this out in an early episode.)episode).



* This may be caused by PredatorTurnedProtector: A carnivore for some reason decides to protect their prey and live with them.

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* This may be caused by PredatorTurnedProtector: A a carnivore for some reason decides to protect their prey and live with them.
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