History Main / CaptainEthnic

16th Jun '17 6:09:29 PM LBHills
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Captain Ethnic is a bit patronizing nowadays, but you have to admit, he beats the hell out of the EthnicScrappy. Despite that characters from around the world are usually done wrong, they ''can'' be done right -- usually by [[ShownTheirWork doing the research]] on local culture and creating a character that's likeable and cool in their own right. This is sadly rare. If a Captain Ethnic is done well, he might end up with [[MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales fans in the ethnic group that he comes from]].

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Captain Ethnic is a bit patronizing nowadays, can seem gauche nowadays - but you have to admit, he beats the hell out of the EthnicScrappy. Despite that characters from around the world are usually done wrong, they Captain Ethnic ''can'' be done right a character portrayed in a plausible and interesting way -- usually by [[ShownTheirWork doing the research]] on local culture and creating a character that's likeable and cool in their own right. This is sadly rare. If When a Captain Ethnic with real depth and interest is done well, created, he might end up with [[MexicansLoveSpeedyGonzales fans in the ethnic group that he comes from]].
10th Jun '17 7:04:51 AM sgamer82
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* Discussed in the ''Podcast/RedPandaAdventures'' in regards to rookie superhero the Black Eagle. The Red Panda notes that every other superhero he knows with "black" in their name actually ''is'' black, while the Eagle is not. He picked his name by combining two childhood nicknames, [[spoiler:the Black Cap and "Eagle-Eyes" Kelly]].
15th May '17 9:48:25 AM Bahuvrihi
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* Bloke from the revamped ''Comicbook/XForce'' is an intentional parody, being a combination of so many gay stereotypes that he CrossesTheLineTwice. Originally being rainbow in color before permanently turning pink, Bloke loves musical theater and has impeccable taste in soft furnishings. And lives in San Francisco. And can usually be found in the gym. He also subverts this slightly by being an especially brutal and grim vigilante. Did we mention he's a great dancer and has many strong opinions about certain civil liberties? Also, he's British and his real name, Mickey Tork, is taken from two of Music/TheMonkees (Mickey Dolenz and Peter Tork).

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* Bloke from the revamped ''Comicbook/XForce'' is an intentional parody, being a combination of so many gay stereotypes that he CrossesTheLineTwice. Originally being rainbow in color before permanently turning pink, Bloke loves musical theater and has impeccable taste in soft furnishings. And lives in San Francisco. And can usually be found in the gym. He also subverts this slightly by being an especially brutal and grim vigilante. Did we mention he's a great dancer and has many strong opinions about certain civil liberties? Also, he's British and his real name, Mickey Tork, is taken from two of Music/TheMonkees (Mickey (Micky Dolenz and Peter Tork).
16th Feb '17 3:01:59 PM jtierney50
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** The Event skins for the Summer Games event play with this trope as well: Genji, Mercy, D.Va, McCree, Tracer, Zarya, Lucio, Torbjorn, and Widowmaker got skins that feature or are inspired by the Japanese, Swiss, Korean, American, British, Russian, Brazilian, Swedish, and French flags, respectively. However, given that these skins are meant to evoke an Olympic athlete's uniform, so it makes sense.

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** The Event skins for the Summer Games event play with this trope as well: Genji, Mercy, D.Va, McCree, Tracer, Zarya, Lucio, Torbjorn, and Widowmaker got skins that feature or are inspired by the Japanese, Swiss, Korean, American, British, Russian, Brazilian, Swedish, and French flags, respectively. However, given that these skins are meant to evoke an Olympic athlete's uniform, so it this makes sense.
16th Feb '17 3:01:05 PM jtierney50
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* Many of of the ''Overwatch'' cast would fall under this trope: McCree is a gun-slinging cowboy from the American Southwest, Soldier: 76 is a gruff American soldier (who is intentionally designed to be a parody/homage to more traditional shooter games like Call of Duty), Genji is a Japanese ninja, D.Va is a Korean pro ''VideoGame/StarcraftII'' player, Reinhardt is a German knight, Zennyatta is a faux-Buddhist monk from Nepal, and Symmetra has been described by fans as "an uptight Indian tech-support worker".
** Unlockable voice lines for the characters further this trope: there's Tracer's "Keep Calm and Tracer On!" (a reference to the famous piece of British WWII Propaganda "Keep Calm and Carry On"), Zarya's numerous references to "the bear" and "the motherland", and Hanzo's references to sake and Pokemon.
** The Event skins for the Summer Games event play with this trope as well: Genji, Mercy, D.Va, McCree, Tracer, Zarya, Lucio, Torbjorn, and Widowmaker got skins that feature or are inspired by the Japanese, Swiss, Korean, American, British, Russian, Brazilian, Swedish, and French flags, respectively. However, given that these skins are meant to evoke an Olympic athlete's uniform, so it makes sense.
** Also, the horrendously cheesy Mariachi/El Blanco skins for Reaper (whose real name is Gabriel Reyes and was born in Los Angeles) and Daredevil: 76 skin for Soldier: 76.
15th Dec '16 5:18:25 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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** Boomerang grew up in the US, so he's arguably a subversion. Still, the fact that he had to come from Australia implies that people can only have good boomerang-wielding skills if they're Australian...

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** Boomerang grew up in the US, so he's arguably a subversion. Still, the fact that he had to come from Australia implies that people can only have good boomerang-wielding skills if they're Australian...Australian....



* The Comicbook/BlackWidow. Eugh. You see, she was from the Soviet Union, so she was a spy. And also her name was Natasha [[FamousNamedForeigner Romanov]]. Yeah. At least Yelena Bolova wasn't such a broad caricature... Although Russian FemmeFatale is actually a [[TheBaroness stereotype itself...]]

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* The Comicbook/BlackWidow. Eugh. You see, she was from the Soviet Union, so she was a spy. And also her name was Natasha [[FamousNamedForeigner Romanov]]. Yeah. At least Yelena Bolova wasn't such a broad caricature... Although Russian FemmeFatale is actually a [[TheBaroness stereotype itself...]] ]].



* In a Comicbook/CivilWar issue of ''Comicbook/FantasticFour'' we encountered [[http://marvel.wikia.com/Les_Heroes_de_Paris_(Earth-616) Les Heroes de Paris]]. Who went a different route: They were all thinly-veiled {{exp|y}}ies of the JusticeLeagueOfAmerica. Only... Well, French.. Including ''Adamantine'' (French Superman dressed in the Tricolore), ''Le Comte Nuit'' (a non-bat Batman), ''La Lumiere Bleu'' (Green Lantern, only blue) ''Le Phantome'' ("Who haunts the Louvre at night"- Looks like the Question, with smoke for the face instead of a blank mask), ''Le Cowboy'' (Guess), ''Le Docteur Q'' (Lex Luthor in his modern-era armorsuit), ''Anais'' (the Halle Berry-version of Catwoman crossed with Vixen), and ''Le Vent'' (The original concept of Golden Age Flash as a magic-based speedster)

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* In a Comicbook/CivilWar issue of ''Comicbook/FantasticFour'' we encountered [[http://marvel.wikia.com/Les_Heroes_de_Paris_(Earth-616) Les Heroes de Paris]]. Who went a different route: They were all thinly-veiled {{exp|y}}ies of the JusticeLeagueOfAmerica. Only... Well, French..well, French. Including ''Adamantine'' (French Superman dressed in the Tricolore), ''Le Comte Nuit'' (a non-bat Batman), ''La Lumiere Bleu'' (Green Lantern, only blue) ''Le Phantome'' ("Who haunts the Louvre at night"- Looks like the Question, with smoke for the face instead of a blank mask), ''Le Cowboy'' (Guess), ''Le Docteur Q'' (Lex Luthor in his modern-era armorsuit), ''Anais'' (the Halle Berry-version of Catwoman crossed with Vixen), and ''Le Vent'' (The original concept of Golden Age Flash as a magic-based speedster)



* ComicBook/{{Katana}}, a Japanese heroine with a Rising Sun-themed costume and a magical Samurai sword. More recent depictions (such as ''WesternAnimation/BewareTheBatman'' and the ''Comicbook/{{New 52}}'') have ditched the nationalistic costume, at least. ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'', however, had her as a spunky teenager in a sailor fuku in the first season; come Season 2, she'd donned her original comic book costume. ''WesternAnimation/BewareTheBatman'' has her wear a {{domino mask}} over her street clothes which consists of a black jacket and a pair of boots and grey pants.

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* ComicBook/{{Katana}}, a Japanese heroine with a Rising Sun-themed costume and a magical Samurai sword. More recent depictions (such as ''WesternAnimation/BewareTheBatman'' and the ''Comicbook/{{New 52}}'') ''Comicbook/New 52'') have ditched the nationalistic costume, at least. ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'', however, had her as a spunky teenager in a sailor fuku in the first season; come Season 2, she'd donned her original comic book costume. ''WesternAnimation/BewareTheBatman'' has her wear a {{domino mask}} over her street clothes which consists of a black jacket and a pair of boots and grey pants.



* Creator/GrantMorrison's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Ten Great Ten]], a Chinese superhero team, would probably be BannedInChina, [[JustifiedTrope and they are supposed to be]]. Its members are heavily tied into Chinese mythology and tradition and modern Chinese Communism, or at least the Western view of said. One of them is the Mother of Champions, whose whole superpower is based on [[ExplosiveBreeding rapidly producing litters]] of [[SuperStrength super-strong]] expendable children''. The team was created not to be offensive per-se, but the creator commentary for their reveal in ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' reveals that they were intended to be self-caricatures in a way. The writers were not trying to be offensive, but were deliberately making a team based on foreign perceptions of a culture and outside viewpoints. Maybe a TakeThat against the comic industry as a whole? Of course, considering [[http://filbypott.blogspot.com/2008/05/japanese-heroes-with-grant-morrison.html the Japanese teams]] also created by Morrison...well, the only way it could get any more badass is if the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII two teams fought bloodily through Nanking]].

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* Creator/GrantMorrison's [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Ten Great Ten]], a Chinese superhero team, would probably be BannedInChina, [[JustifiedTrope and they are supposed to be]]. Its members are heavily tied into Chinese mythology and tradition and modern Chinese Communism, or at least the Western view of said. One of them is the Mother of Champions, whose whole superpower is based on [[ExplosiveBreeding rapidly producing litters]] of [[SuperStrength super-strong]] expendable children''. The team was created not to be offensive per-se, but the creator commentary for their reveal in ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'' reveals that they were intended to be self-caricatures in a way. The writers were not trying to be offensive, but were deliberately making a team based on foreign perceptions of a culture and outside viewpoints. Maybe a TakeThat against the comic industry as a whole? Of course, considering [[http://filbypott.blogspot.com/2008/05/japanese-heroes-with-grant-morrison.html the Japanese teams]] also created by Morrison... well, the only way it could get any more badass is if the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII two teams fought bloodily through Nanking]].



** In Comicbook/{{New 52}}'s ''JLI'', August General in Iron is a member of the titular MultinationalTeam and is a much broader caricature than he's ever been depicted as before, being a rude, anti-Western government drone.

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** In Comicbook/{{New 52}}'s Comicbook/New52's ''JLI'', August General in Iron is a member of the titular MultinationalTeam and is a much broader caricature than he's ever been depicted as before, being a rude, anti-Western government drone.



* The Ultramarine Corps had {{Comicbook/Vixen}} (African woman with animal powers), Goraiko (Japanese monster with a rising sun motif), and Fleur de Lis (French swordswoman with a name and costume inspired by her namesake symbol) just to name a few. Vixen is the only one with any character development, and that's only because she subsequently joined the Franchise/{{Justice League|OfAmerica}}. Vixen was an existing character who had ''previously'' joined the Justice League. Other pre-existing characters in the Corps included most of the former ComicBook/GlobalGuardians as well as the aforementioned Knight and Squire...

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* The Ultramarine Corps had {{Comicbook/Vixen}} (African woman with animal powers), Goraiko (Japanese monster with a rising sun motif), and Fleur de Lis (French swordswoman with a name and costume inspired by her namesake symbol) just to name a few. Vixen is the only one with any character development, and that's only because she subsequently joined the Franchise/{{Justice League|OfAmerica}}. Vixen was an existing character who had ''previously'' joined the Justice League. Other pre-existing characters in the Corps included most of the former ComicBook/GlobalGuardians as well as the aforementioned Knight and Squire...Squire....



* Chris Claremont has always had ...problems with this trope. During his run on ''Comicbook/{{Gen13}}'', he had a Muslim superhero, which was an admirable gesture. Thing is, the kid started ''nearly every other fucking sentence'' with, "Oh, Allah!"

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* Chris Claremont has always had ...had... problems with this trope. During his run on ''Comicbook/{{Gen13}}'', he had a Muslim superhero, which was an admirable gesture. Thing is, the kid started ''nearly every other fucking sentence'' with, "Oh, Allah!"



** The trope also applies to their [[HumongousMecha Gundams]]; China's Dragon Gundam has a bladed ponytail, France's Gundam Rose is a Musketeer with rose-shapped AttackDrones and a Napoleon hat sculpted into its head...probably the most over-the-top is America's Gundam Maxter, which combines boxing, American football, cowboys, surfing, AND the Red White and Blue. And again, it's awesome.

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** The trope also applies to their [[HumongousMecha Gundams]]; China's Dragon Gundam has a bladed ponytail, France's Gundam Rose is a Musketeer with rose-shapped AttackDrones and a Napoleon hat sculpted into its head... probably the most over-the-top is America's Gundam Maxter, which combines boxing, American football, cowboys, surfing, AND the Red White and Blue. And again, it's awesome.



* Pretty much all the non-Japanese wrestlers in ''Manga/{{Kinnikuman}}'' are this (at least the human ones, anyway). The United States is represented by Terryman, [[AmericansAreCowboys a Texas cowboy]], and Specialman, a wrestling football player; Britain is home to Robin Mask, who wrestles in a knight's suit of armour; from Germany come Brockenman, a wrestling [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi commandant]], and his son, who isn't a Nazi but still wears an SS uniform; and India brings us Curry Cook, the wrestling...[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin well, guess]]. Sometimes they at least shake it up, as in the case with Mr. Khamen, an Egyptian wrestler who dresses like a pharaoh and whose FinishingMove involves mummifying his opponent...and who is also a vampire. Even the minor characters fall victim to this, including Woolman, a sheep-themed wrestler from New Zealand[[note]]which is known for its high sheep population[[/note]] and the one-shot Danish wrestler [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Vikingman]].

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* Pretty much all the non-Japanese wrestlers in ''Manga/{{Kinnikuman}}'' are this (at least the human ones, anyway). The United States is represented by Terryman, [[AmericansAreCowboys a Texas cowboy]], and Specialman, a wrestling football player; Britain is home to Robin Mask, who wrestles in a knight's suit of armour; from Germany come Brockenman, a wrestling [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi commandant]], and his son, who isn't a Nazi but still wears an SS uniform; and India brings us Curry Cook, the wrestling...[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin well, guess]]. Sometimes they at least shake it up, as in the case with Mr. Khamen, an Egyptian wrestler who dresses like a pharaoh and whose FinishingMove involves mummifying his opponent... and who is also a vampire. Even the minor characters fall victim to this, including Woolman, a sheep-themed wrestler from New Zealand[[note]]which is known for its high sheep population[[/note]] and the one-shot Danish wrestler [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Vikingman]].



** On the heroic side, we have El Diablo, who is Mexican and has the name El Diablo and a fiery personality... And Tricolour, who is a French fencer who wears the tricolour on her costume... And Quetzaloquatl, a Latin-American version of Captain Marvel... The Green Genie is middle-eastern and, you guessed it, has genie magic and a flying carpet... Let's just say that ''Freedom Force'' has a *lot* of these on both sides and it's played about as seriously as the rest of the cast, which is to say not at all.

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** On the heroic side, we have El Diablo, who is Mexican and has the name El Diablo and a fiery personality... And and Tricolour, who is a French fencer who wears the tricolour on her costume... And and Quetzaloquatl, a Latin-American version of Captain Marvel... The Green Genie is middle-eastern and, you guessed it, has genie magic and a flying carpet...carpet.... Let's just say that ''Freedom Force'' has a *lot* of these on both sides and it's played about as seriously as the rest of the cast, which is to say not at all.



** Mostly subverted with FOXHOUND, who deliberately had powers that contradicted their ethnicities (the most obvious example being a cowboy-type gunplay expert who was apparently a Russian nationalist), but Vulcan Raven was an Athapaskan Native American shaman whose powers included the ability to endure cold and the ability to have prophetic visions, and his weapon of choice was a [[GatlingGood minigun]]. His incredible size and strength was honed by participating in and training for the Eskimo Indian Olympics. The re-localisation of the script in ''The Twin Snakes'' took out Snake's blatantly sarcastic and insulting dialogue towards him ("You must be a real threat at the muktuk eating contest"...which Raven, in all seriousness ''confirms''), which both fit Snake's character better as someone who respects his enemies and made Raven look more positive.

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** Mostly subverted with FOXHOUND, who deliberately had powers that contradicted their ethnicities (the most obvious example being a cowboy-type gunplay expert who was apparently a Russian nationalist), but Vulcan Raven was an Athapaskan Native American shaman whose powers included the ability to endure cold and the ability to have prophetic visions, and his weapon of choice was a [[GatlingGood minigun]]. His incredible size and strength was honed by participating in and training for the Eskimo Indian Olympics. The re-localisation of the script in ''The Twin Snakes'' took out Snake's blatantly sarcastic and insulting dialogue towards him ("You must be a real threat at the muktuk eating contest"... which Raven, in all seriousness ''confirms''), which both fit Snake's character better as someone who respects his enemies and made Raven look more positive.
13th Nov '16 12:13:11 PM DustSnitch
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* In ''Comicbook/GhostRider'', it's revealed that every country has its own Rider, and each is tied heavily to local folklore and legend. The British rider is based on Spring-Heeled Jack, the Rider stalking Frankfurt for evil to punish is "shock-headed", the Rider protecting the shores of New Zealand is a Maori warrior, the Japanese rider is a bosozoku gang member with an oni motif, with even the American riders throughout the ages seem to encompass little more than era-specific tough guy stereotypes, including a vengeful Native American rider in the early 1800s, an entire Ghost Rider tank crew in WWII, trucker Devil Rig and muscle car enthusiast Hell Driver in the 70s, the hard-drinking Southern badass Penance Fist in the 80s, etc. Let's face it, considering how {{Badass}} pretty much all of the above are, it might be an example of how to do it ''[[TropesAreTools right]]''.

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* In ''Comicbook/GhostRider'', it's revealed that every country has its own Rider, and each is tied heavily to local folklore and legend. The British rider is based on Spring-Heeled Jack, the Rider stalking Frankfurt for evil to punish is "shock-headed", the Rider protecting the shores of New Zealand is a Maori warrior, the Japanese rider is a bosozoku gang member with an oni motif, with even the American riders throughout the ages seem to encompass little more than era-specific tough guy stereotypes, including a vengeful Native American rider in the early 1800s, an entire Ghost Rider tank crew in WWII, trucker Devil Rig and muscle car enthusiast Hell Driver in the 70s, the hard-drinking Southern badass Penance Fist in the 80s, etc. Let's face it, considering how {{Badass}} badass pretty much all of the above are, it might be an example of how to do it ''[[TropesAreTools right]]''.



* Finlay may be one of the worst just because of the mish-mash of stereotypes that goes into him; he's a tough, {{Badass}} Irish brawler ''who clubs people with a shillelagh and hangs out with a leprechaun''. The Leprechaun was an [[InvokedTrope intentional]] [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] that [[GoneHorriblyWrong backfired]]. Finlay (as a heel) was more popular than most {{face}}s, so he was given "[[Wrestling/{{Hornswoggle}} The Little Bastard]]" to hang around with, hoping it would derail his popularity. [[SpringTimeForHitler It failed]].

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* Finlay may be one of the worst just because of the mish-mash of stereotypes that goes into him; he's a tough, {{Badass}} tough Irish brawler ''who clubs people with a shillelagh and hangs out with a leprechaun''. The Leprechaun was an [[InvokedTrope intentional]] [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] that [[GoneHorriblyWrong backfired]]. Finlay (as a heel) was more popular than most {{face}}s, so he was given "[[Wrestling/{{Hornswoggle}} The Little Bastard]]" to hang around with, hoping it would derail his popularity. [[SpringTimeForHitler It failed]].
20th Oct '16 10:47:18 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** [[http://marvel.wikia.com/Gabriel_Sepulveda_%28Earth-616%29 Defensor,]] a conquistador-styled hero from Argentina, was plainly the result of writers [[TheyJustDidntCare not even trying]].

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** [[http://marvel.wikia.com/Gabriel_Sepulveda_%28Earth-616%29 Defensor,]] Defensor]], a conquistador-styled hero from Argentina, was plainly the result of writers [[TheyJustDidntCare not even trying]]. Argentina.
11th Oct '16 1:00:04 PM silverbolt1
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* In a Comicbook/CivilWar issue of ''Comicbook/FantasticFour'' we encountered [[http://marvel.wikia.com/Les_Heroes_de_Paris_(Earth-616) Les Heroes de Paris]]. Who went a different route: They were all thinly-veiled {{exp|y}}ies of the JusticeLeagueOfAmerica. Only... Well, French.. Including ''Adamantine'' (French Superman dressed in the Tricolore), ''Le Comte Nuit'' (a non-bat Batman), ''La Lumiere Bleu'' (Green Lantern, only blue) ''Le Phantome'' ("Who haunts the Louvre at night"), ''Le Cowboy'' (Guess), ''Le Docteur Q'' (Lex Luthor in his modern-era armorsuit), ''Anais'' (the Halle Berry-version of Catwoman crossed with Vixen), and ''Le Vent'' (The original concept of Golden Age Flash as a magic-based speedster)

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* In a Comicbook/CivilWar issue of ''Comicbook/FantasticFour'' we encountered [[http://marvel.wikia.com/Les_Heroes_de_Paris_(Earth-616) Les Heroes de Paris]]. Who went a different route: They were all thinly-veiled {{exp|y}}ies of the JusticeLeagueOfAmerica. Only... Well, French.. Including ''Adamantine'' (French Superman dressed in the Tricolore), ''Le Comte Nuit'' (a non-bat Batman), ''La Lumiere Bleu'' (Green Lantern, only blue) ''Le Phantome'' ("Who haunts the Louvre at night"), night"- Looks like the Question, with smoke for the face instead of a blank mask), ''Le Cowboy'' (Guess), ''Le Docteur Q'' (Lex Luthor in his modern-era armorsuit), ''Anais'' (the Halle Berry-version of Catwoman crossed with Vixen), and ''Le Vent'' (The original concept of Golden Age Flash as a magic-based speedster)
24th Sep '16 5:06:58 PM nombretomado
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* Mocked in ''DanVS'' when the titular character buys a comic book starring "Sergeant Saskatchewan": a character with no dark past, no inner rage, no ''enemies'', "politeness" for a superpower, and ''"so many maple leaves"''. [[CriticalResearchFailure They gave him an American sergeant emblem, though]].

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* Mocked in ''DanVS'' ''WesternAnimation/DanVS'' when the titular character buys a comic book starring "Sergeant Saskatchewan": a character with no dark past, no inner rage, no ''enemies'', "politeness" for a superpower, and ''"so many maple leaves"''. [[CriticalResearchFailure They gave him an American sergeant emblem, though]].
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