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12th Jan '18 6:49:20 PM Windrays
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** Part of the reason for the TimeSkip was to at least give the weaker cast members 2 years to catch up.
** This is one reason (among other more important ones) why Vivi ultimately decided not to travel with her crew full-time, as well.

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** Part of the reason for the TimeSkip was to at least give the weaker cast members 2 crew two years to catch up.
up to a point where they could survive in the [[CrapsackWorld New World.]] [[spoiler:As evidenced by the massacre at Sabaody, they really, really needed it.]]
** This is one reason (among other more important ones) why Vivi ultimately decided not to travel with her crew full-time, as well. [[spoiler:Post time-skip, it looks like she's become ''much'' stronger.]]
9th Jan '18 9:13:53 PM MBG159
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* This is implied to be the fate of the Brotherhood of Steel in ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas''. Decades ago, they were one of the strongest factions around, due to having a massive supply of pre-war technology and the engineers to maintain them, in an era where everyone else is trying to struggle back to Iron Age levels AfterTheEnd. But when other sides started to get their hands on the stuff, and started rebuilding and advancing, the Brotherhood's reclusiveness and MachineWorship meant that they stayed stagnant, while their rivals got more and more powerful. This culminated in the Battle of HELIOS One, where the Mojave Brotherhood chapter faced off against an NCR force that outnumbered them fifteen-to-one and possessed plenty of weapons competitive with what the Brotherhood could offer. By the start of the game, the remains of the Mojave chapter is huddled in a bunker and hoping that they can count on their ever-narrowing tech advantage if anyone finds them.
27th Dec '17 6:48:22 AM EDP
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* In ''[[http://dbzelsewhere.webcomic.ws/ Dragon Ball Z Elsewhere]]'' this is part of why Yamcha has developed a strong inferiority complex, as no matter what he couldn't catch up to Goku-and making him unwilling to involve the other Z Fighters when a rogue Kaiohshin starts presenting a danger, as he realizes he ''has'' to before a threat too strong for Goku, Vegeta or Gohan shows up. It also [[spoiler:makes his ''victory'' against post-Cell Goku even sweeter, as he finally ''did'' catch up to him, at least in base form]].
26th Dec '17 8:42:40 PM DustSnitch
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* ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'': While Dante purges himself of weakness throughout Purgatory and gains supernatural abilities in Paradise, his master Virgil lacks any capability to grow, making him wholly useless as a teacher by the time they reach the top of Purgatory. Virgil happily confesses his inferiority and leaves Dante to finish the journey with his well-forged will.



* In the Literature/VorkosiganSaga, Mark suffered this in his youth: his creators needed him to impersonate Miles, but Miles was already older and being given the best education money could buy. In addition Mark was having to learn by rote things (like the layout of Vorkosigan House) that Miles just knew.



* In the Literature/VorkosiganSaga Mark suffered this in his youth: his creators needed him to impersonate Miles, but Miles was already older and being given the best education money could buy. In addition Mark was having to learn by rote things (like the layout of Vorkosigan House) that Miles just knew.
15th Dec '17 2:09:09 PM Tropetastic1995
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** Tien, despite training for years straight, still couldn't match Gohan, who hasn't trained in ''years'' and has no visible muscles, and wound up having to stop the fight because he was getting beaten so badly.

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** Tien, despite training for years a decade straight, still couldn't match Gohan, who hasn't trained in ''years'' and has no visible muscles, only started training again the last year or so, and wound up having to stop the fight because he was getting beaten so badly.
26th Nov '17 10:44:45 PM Sabrewing
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* Ramus in ''VideoGame/LunarSilverStarStory'' is more Can't Keep Ahead than Can't Catch Up. At the very beginning of the game, he's the strongest member of the party. But Alex and Luna upgrade all of their stats when they level up, and Ramus only upgrades his total HP (And he even stops doing that after a while). As a result of this, by the time he leaves the party (About 2-3 hours later if you're not in a rush) he's dropped to being the weakest member.

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* Ramus in ''VideoGame/LunarSilverStarStory'' ''VideoGame/LunarTheSilverStar'' is more Can't Keep Ahead than Can't Catch Up. At the very beginning of the game, he's the strongest member of the party. But Alex and Luna upgrade all of their stats when they level up, and Ramus only upgrades his total HP (And he even stops doing that after a while). As a result of this, by the time he leaves the party (About 2-3 hours later if you're not in a rush) he's dropped to being the weakest member.
24th Nov '17 7:27:23 AM KingLyger
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* A particularly frustrating one occurs in ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia 2'' where members of the previous game are playable, but they don't gain exp leaving them at whatever level the plot says they should be at. In normal play this isn't too bad, the level they'll be forced into is enough to make them relevant in what ever plot fight you'll have... until newgame +. Now the old cast will be woefully behind the new characters with NO way to advance at all, it gets to the point that you're better off raising monsters to fight with you as they still level up. Let me say that again, if you raise a blob of slime along side your main cast, it will eventually completely overtake the previous heroes.

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* A particularly frustrating one occurs in In ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia 2'' where II: Dawn of the New World'', members of the previous game are playable, can join your party, but they don't gain exp experience, leaving them at whatever level the plot says they should be at. at[[note]]Interestingly, the old party members [[BagOfSpilling losing all of their levels]] is justified here; they got rid of their Exspheres from the previous game because they were [[PoweredByAForsakenChild powered by dead human souls]][[/note]]. In normal play this isn't too bad, as the level they'll be forced into is enough to make them relevant in what ever plot fight you'll have... until newgame +. Now NewGamePlus, as the old cast will be woefully behind the new characters with NO no way to advance at all, it advance. It gets to the point that you're better off raising monsters to fight with you ignoring the old party members and just using {{Mons}}, as they still level up. Let me say that again, if you raise a blob of slime along side your main cast, it will eventually completely overtake the previous heroes.gain levels.
16th Nov '17 12:46:41 AM DastardlyDemolition
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*** Not just characters, but ''magic'' is hit by this too. Destruction spells have a hard-set damage and can only get 25-50% stronger with a 2-part perk for each type and being dual-cast for a heavier magicka cost (10% more damage for 40% more magicka and a better chance to stagger). The only way to make them stronger is for enemies to be weaker to that type of magic, meaning Frost spells are hurt first as nearly everyone and their mothers are Nords in Skyrim, you know the ''native people'' who are ''resistant to frost''. Conjuring is not as hard hit as you gain stronger and stronger summonings but they cost more and more and weaker summons become more and more useless. Bound weapons that the Dragonborn can summon also fall into this; when you first get them they're the first Daedric weapons you get in a while and at that time everyone else has iron weapons, having the Mystic Binding perk lets the Bound Bow grant the most XP of any bow in game, and the Soul Stealer perk lets you soul trap. Their greatness falls off when you realize you're only holding a magical shade of the weapon and therefore you can't improve or enchant them (something you would want to do), they only last for a set time limit, and you can't use them on horseback or with other weapons.

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*** Not just characters, but ''magic'' is hit by this too. Destruction spells have a hard-set damage and can only get 25-50% stronger with a 2-part perk for each type and being dual-cast for a heavier magicka cost (10% more damage for 40% more magicka and a better chance to stagger). The only way to make them stronger is for enemies to be weaker to that type of magic, meaning Frost spells are hurt first as nearly everyone and their mothers are Nords in Skyrim, you know the ''native people'' who are ''resistant to frost''. frost''.
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Conjuring is not as hard hit as you gain stronger and stronger summonings but they cost more and more and weaker summons become more and more useless. useless.
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Bound weapons that the Dragonborn can summon also fall into this; when you first get them they're the first Daedric weapons you get in a while and at that time everyone else has iron weapons, having the Mystic Binding perk lets the Bound Bow grant the most XP of any bow in game, and the Soul Stealer perk lets you soul trap. Their greatness falls off when you realize you're only holding a magical shade of the weapon and therefore you can't improve or enchant them (something you would want to do), they only last for a set time limit, and you can't use them on horseback or with other weapons.
16th Nov '17 12:18:06 AM DastardlyDemolition
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** In fact Mashiro inspires this in ''everyone'' who knows her for extended periods with Sorata and Jin feeling the same way Rita does. Mashiro is not just an IdiotSavant: she has absolutely no idea about personal hygine, can barely dress herself, and has hardly any social skills, let alone anything that could let her live on her own. But when it comes to anything, especially drawing and painting, she can easily beat anyone at it. She barely even tries and she still does better than all of her classmates. There's AlwaysSomeoneBetter and she's that, therefore everyone starts developing inferiority complexes and begin to give up on things, such as art, because they will never beat her. Sorata himself gets a bad case where his game pitch is rejected while Mashiro is given an opportunity by the same people.
15th Nov '17 4:22:17 PM DastardlyDemolition
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** Android 18, quite possibly the only legitimately dangerous woman in the series, gets his with this immediately after her HeelFaceTurn. When she's first introduced in the Android Saga, she was strong enough to [[CurbStompBattle effortlessly defeat Android 19 and SSJ Vegeta]], and along with her brother 17, basically ended the world in Future Trunks' timeline after [[TotalPartyKill killing every.]] [[HeroKiller Single. Z-fighter]]. After marrying Krillin though, the only fight she wins is against [[FakeUltimateHero Mr. Satan]]. Her only roles in the series after that initial high points are to be [[TheAssimilator absorbed by Cell]], [[EatenAlive eaten by Buu]], and [[TheWorfEffect defeated in one pimp slap by Beerus.]] She doesn't even participate in the battle against Freeza's forces in ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' despite, [[LampshadeHanging pointing out to Krillin]] that she is still stronger then him. Although there is some justification in that, after the Cell arc, she stopped participating in major battles, everybody not named Goku got CurbStomp|ed by Beerus, and during Resurrection F Krillin asked her to protect their daughter Marron in case things went south with Freeza.
** Also, there's Master Roshi. He was initially stated as being the most powerful person in the world at the start of Dragonball, but by the end of the Demon King Piccolo saga, he is completely worthless and never does anything again until ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' when he helps the rest of the Z Fighters take on Freeza's {{mooks}}. Although this is justified in Roshi's case, as his prime was over a hundred years ago and by the time Dragon Ball starts he's an elderly man who can't hang in there anymore due to his age and toll on his body. Not to mention, Roshi at the very least had some grace about it and acknowledged his place as soon as it was clear that Goku had become something he can't even comprehend anymore; Goku taking apart the Red Ribbon army singlehandedly started to clue him in, the end of the King Piccolo Saga is where he accepts it completely.

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** Android 18, quite possibly the only legitimately dangerous woman in the series, gets his with this immediately after her HeelFaceTurn. When she's first introduced in the Android Saga, she was strong enough to [[CurbStompBattle effortlessly defeat Android 19 and SSJ Vegeta]], and along with her brother 17, basically ended the world in Future Trunks' timeline after [[TotalPartyKill killing every.]] [[HeroKiller Single. Z-fighter]]. After marrying Krillin though, the only fight she wins is against [[FakeUltimateHero Mr. Satan]]. Her only roles in the series after that initial high points are to be [[TheAssimilator absorbed by Cell]], [[EatenAlive eaten by Buu]], and [[TheWorfEffect defeated in one pimp slap by Beerus.]] She doesn't even participate in the battle against Freeza's forces in ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' despite, [[LampshadeHanging pointing out to Krillin]] that she is still stronger then him. Although there is some justification in that, after the Cell arc, she stopped participating in major battles, everybody not named Goku got CurbStomp|ed [[CurbStompBattle their asses beat ten shades of blue]] by Beerus, and during Resurrection F ''Resurrection F'' Krillin asked her to protect their daughter Marron in case things went south with Freeza.
** Also, there's Master Roshi. He was initially stated as being the most powerful person in the world at the start of Dragonball, but by the end of the Demon King Piccolo saga, he is completely worthless and never does anything again until ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' when he helps the rest of the Z Fighters take on Freeza's {{mooks}}. Although this is justified in Roshi's case, as his prime was over a hundred years ago and by the time Dragon Ball starts he's an elderly man who can't hang in there anymore due to his age and toll on his body. Not to mention, Roshi at the very least had some grace about it and acknowledged his place as soon as it was clear that Goku had become something he can't even comprehend anymore; Goku taking apart the Red Ribbon army singlehandedly started to clue him in, the end of the King Piccolo Saga is where he accepts it completely. He does try to get some good strikes in his fight against Frost in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' with the Evil Containment Wave (remember that move?) but all it really does is lead to Vegeta reach Super Saiyin Blue after Frost reflects it.


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** Tien, despite training for years straight, still couldn't match Gohan, who hasn't trained in ''years'' and has no visible muscles, and wound up having to stop the fight because he was getting beaten so badly.
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