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1st Dec '16 9:23:50 PM NineballCirno
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* In both the computer and tabletop version of Avalon Hill's ''Videogame/ThirdReich'' the French army never improves, ever. Normally this isn't a problem, because France usually falls to the Germans no later than Spring 1941. But sometimes, especially if the Axis player decides to go east and attack the Soviet Union first, France may hold out more or less indefinitely, in which case this trope becomes very noticeable. Every other country gets new units in 1942 or '43; even the Italians get a paratrooper and another 9-factor fleet. The French are stuck with mostly 2-3 infantry and a few 3-5 armor units, plus two 5-factor air fleets, and they never get a paratrooper. There's just not a lot they can do at that point. Although this may be more a case of "Can't Avoid Falling Behind".

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* In both the computer and tabletop version of Avalon Hill's ''Videogame/ThirdReich'' ''Third Reich'' the French army never improves, ever. Normally this isn't a problem, because France usually falls to the Germans no later than Spring 1941. But sometimes, especially if the Axis player decides to go east and attack the Soviet Union first, France may hold out more or less indefinitely, in which case this trope becomes very noticeable. Every other country gets new units in 1942 or '43; even the Italians get a paratrooper and another 9-factor fleet. The French are stuck with mostly 2-3 infantry and a few 3-5 armor units, plus two 5-factor air fleets, and they never get a paratrooper. There's just not a lot they can do at that point. Although this may be more a case of "Can't Avoid Falling Behind".



* This also becomes problematic in Creator/NipponIchi games. The main game can be brute-forced through with a core party of about a dozen or so characters (which is, coincidentally, about where the ArbirtaryHeadcountLimit is), usually with your protagonist(s) having the lion's share of attack power, but if you want to make any headway into the post game you'll have to juggle a much larger stable of classes and monsters, resulting in quite a bit of LevelGrinding.

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* This also becomes problematic in Creator/NipponIchi games. The main game can be brute-forced through with a core party of about a dozen or so characters (which is, coincidentally, about where the ArbirtaryHeadcountLimit ArbitraryHeadcountLimit is), usually with your protagonist(s) having the lion's share of attack power, but if you want to make any headway into the post game you'll have to juggle a much larger stable of classes and monsters, resulting in quite a bit of LevelGrinding.
10th Nov '16 1:16:00 PM DustSnitch
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** [[spoiler: [[BadassGrandpa Hiruzen Sarutobi]] in part II. Despite being one of the strongest characters in Part I, he can't beat the PowerCreep that was installed in Part II. It becomes ludicrous during the final battle with Obito Uchiha who had became the Ten-Tails Jinchuriki where he's literally one-shotted and [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse and hasn't regenerated since]]. He does however finally come back and saves Naruto.]]

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** [[spoiler: [[BadassGrandpa Hiruzen Sarutobi]] Sarutobi in part II. Despite being one of the strongest characters in Part I, he can't beat the PowerCreep Power Creep that was installed in Part II. It becomes ludicrous during the final battle with Obito Uchiha who had became the Ten-Tails Jinchuriki where he's literally one-shotted and [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse and hasn't regenerated since]].since. He does however finally come back and saves Naruto.]]



** On the Maximal side this is avoided: Despite not going [=TransMetal=] or getting a shiny new upgrade like the better half of his teammates, Rhinox still managed to hold his own in most fights. Really, everyone else caught up to ''Rhinox''. Dinobot also manages to be extremely BadAss despite no upgrades, going so far as to take on the entire Predacon team by himself. And Optimal Optimus? Not only does he miss ChewToy Waspinator, he gets ''[[TheWorfEffect shot down]]'' by him.

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** On the Maximal side this is avoided: Despite not going [=TransMetal=] or getting a shiny new upgrade like the better half of his teammates, Rhinox still managed to hold his own in most fights. Really, everyone else caught up to ''Rhinox''. Dinobot also manages to be extremely BadAss badass despite no upgrades, going so far as to take on the entire Predacon team by himself. And Optimal Optimus? Not only does he miss ChewToy Waspinator, he gets ''[[TheWorfEffect shot down]]'' by him.
26th Oct '16 7:23:34 PM Dravencour
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** Yamcha, and Chiaotzu become this to almost ridiculous levels. Yamcha didn't even get a ''shot'' at Nappa because a Saibaman latched onto him and [[ActionBomb blew him up]] (Which the AbridgedSeries made fun of and the Japanese turned into a MemeticMutation), while Chiaotzu and Tenshinhan's {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s didn't even so much as put a ''scratch'' on Nappa. After that point... they couldn't do a ''thing'', spending the next hundred or so episodes [[PutOnABus on King Kai's planet]].

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** Yamcha, and Chiaotzu become this to almost ridiculous levels. Yamcha Yamcha, the first really tough opponent Goku faced from the original ''Manga/DragonBall'', didn't even get a ''shot'' at Nappa because a Saibaman latched onto him and [[ActionBomb blew him up]] (Which the AbridgedSeries made fun of and the Japanese turned into a MemeticMutation), while Chiaotzu and Tenshinhan's {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s didn't even so much as put a ''scratch'' on Nappa. After that point... they couldn't do a ''thing'', spending the next hundred or so episodes [[PutOnABus on King Kai's planet]].
26th Oct '16 7:22:18 PM Dravencour
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** There was even a subplot where the reformed Vegeta was aware this had happened to him, and was willing to make a FaceHeelTurn so he ''could'' catch up to his eternal rival. And this was before Goku revealed the third stage of Super Saiyan -- Vegeta was too late, and he knows it by the end of Z. In general, Vegeta lasts slightly longer than Piccolo, as he, along with Future Trunks, were the only ones who could actually hold their own against a Cell Junior at the Cell Games, but becomes completely worthless by the Buu Saga, where Goku and Gohan both become several times stronger than him. His only use at that point is as an ingredient in a fusion. This becomes especially blatant when he tries to attack Cell and Buu respectively- the latter easily beats him down and the former KO's him with one casual slap. In a literal example, Vegeta had a nightmare where he tried to chase Goku and Trunks, but couldn't keep up with them.
** Yajirobe suffered from the worst case of this ever. When he's introduced he appears to be on par with Goku, and quickly defeated Cymbol, one of the spawn of Demon King Piccolo, by ''[[SingleStrokeBattle slicing him in half,]]'' and then ''[[ExtremeOmnivore ate him.]]'' After that he's mostly worthless, and the only significant thing he did was cut off Great Ape Vegeta's tail to weaken him, nine years later in-universe. He appears even more interested in food than Goku, but without the training ethic.
** Yamcha, and Chiaotzu become this to almost ridiculous levels. Yamcha didn't even get a ''shot'' at Nappa because a Saibaman took him out in only one hit (Which the AbridgedSeries made fun of and the Japanese turned into a MemeticMutation), while Chiaotzu and Tenshinhan's {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s didn't even so much as put a ''scratch'' on Nappa. After that point... they couldn't do a ''thing'', spending the next hundred or so episodes [[PutOnABus on King Kai's planet]].

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** There was even a subplot where the reformed Vegeta was aware this had happened to him, and was willing to make a FaceHeelTurn so he ''could'' catch up to his eternal rival. And this was before Goku revealed the third stage of Super Saiyan -- Vegeta was too late, and he knows it by the end of Z. In general, Vegeta lasts slightly longer than Piccolo, as he, along with Future Trunks, were the only ones who could actually hold their own against a Cell Junior at the Cell Games, but becomes completely worthless by the Buu Saga, where Goku and Gohan both become several times stronger than him. His only use at that point is as an ingredient in a fusion. This becomes especially blatant when he tries to attack Cell and Buu respectively- respectively -- the latter easily beats him down and the former KO's one-shots him with one but a casual slap. In a literal example, Vegeta had a nightmare where he tried to chase Goku and Trunks, but couldn't keep up with them.
** Yajirobe suffered from the worst case of this ever. When he's introduced he appears to be on par with Goku, and quickly defeated Cymbol, one of the spawn of Demon King Piccolo, by ''[[SingleStrokeBattle slicing him in half,]]'' and then ''[[ExtremeOmnivore ate him.]]'' After that he's mostly worthless, and the only significant thing he did was cut off Great Ape Oozaru Vegeta's tail to weaken him, nine years later in-universe. He appears even more interested in food than Goku, but without the training ethic.
** Yamcha, and Chiaotzu become this to almost ridiculous levels. Yamcha didn't even get a ''shot'' at Nappa because a Saibaman took latched onto him out in only one hit and [[ActionBomb blew him up]] (Which the AbridgedSeries made fun of and the Japanese turned into a MemeticMutation), while Chiaotzu and Tenshinhan's {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s didn't even so much as put a ''scratch'' on Nappa. After that point... they couldn't do a ''thing'', spending the next hundred or so episodes [[PutOnABus on King Kai's planet]].
26th Oct '16 7:18:03 PM Dravencour
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Due to the SortingAlgorithmOfEvil, many series have a habit of making it TimeToUnlockMoreTruePotential for their characters. However, this doesn't happen uniformly; the main characters [[HardWorkHardlyWorks gain their new powers near-instantly]], followed by whichever secondary characters are the most popular with the audience, and then, sometimes, the rest of them. This can result in a situation where a character who was introduced as the hero's equal can slip further and further behind in the power rankings, to the point where they [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn can't even help out]] against the MonsterOfTheWeek, because their [[PowerLevels level of power]] is [[SoLastSeason no longer enough]] to [[TheLoad even be useful]].

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Due to the SortingAlgorithmOfEvil, many series have a habit of making it TimeToUnlockMoreTruePotential for their characters. However, this doesn't happen uniformly; the main characters [[HardWorkHardlyWorks gain their new powers near-instantly]], followed by whichever secondary characters are the most popular with the audience, and then, sometimes, the rest of them. This can result in a situation where a character who was introduced as the hero's equal can slip further and further behind in the power rankings, to the point where they [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn can't even help out]] against the MonsterOfTheWeek, because their [[PowerLevels level of power]] is [[SoLastSeason no longer enough]] to [[TheLoad even be useful]].
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4th Oct '16 6:24:29 PM SpeedBoostTorchic
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** Android 18, quite possibly the only legitimately dangerous woman in the series, gets his with this immediately after her HeelFaceTurn. When she's first introduced in the Android Saga, she was strong enough to[[CurbStompBattle effortlessly defeat Android 19 and SSJ Vegeta]], and along with her brother 17, basically ended the world in Future Trunks' timeline after [[TotalPartyKill killing every.]] [[HeroKiller Single. Z-fighter]]. After marrying Krillan though, the only fight she wins is against [[FakeUltimateHero Hercule Satan]]. Her only roles in the series after that initial high points are to be [[TheAssimilator absorbed by Cell]], [[EatenAlive eaten by Buu]], and [[TheWorfEffect defeated in one pimp slap by Beerus.]]
*** Outside of the TournamentArc, 18 basically stops participating in battles at all. The aforementioned defeats by Cell and Buu come without her fighting back and she doesn't even participate in the battle against Frieza's minions despite being many times stronger than her husband, Krillan. Somewhat Justified in that she takes a [[MamaBear very active role]] in protecting their daughter Marron, but this troper can't help but be disappointed that the one real strong female character the series has never really does anything impressive.
23rd Sep '16 1:49:50 PM MajinAkuma
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* This is common in later ''Anime/YuGiOh'' series. Since the whole thing is MerchandiseDriven, [[OutOfFocus a drought of new releases for their archetype]] can cripple certain characters. Not only does it give them less of a pool to work with, but {{Konami}} won't lobby for their victory, since it wouldn't advertise anything. This is particularly dangerous for characters who utilize limited archetypes. For instance, in ''Anime/YuGiOhGX,'' Asuka starts off as a pretty respectable player, but when Cyber Girls failed to catch on (the last set to include them, Enemy of Justice, started shipping less than halfway into the series), her Deck and win record suffered. She has to lean heavily on her Cyber Angels afterward, and being anime-only, they manage wins against {{Joke Character}}s and not much else. Similarly, Kenzan's Deck stagnated to oblivion after Dinosaur's Rage hit, and Daichi, who never saw any of his cards released after the Water Dragon set didn't work out, dropped in status from dangerous rival to complete loser. Later on, in ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds,'' the dearth of Plant-types following Raging Battle left Aki with nothing over 2400 ATK, and Ruka failed to see any expansion whatsoever of her already pitiful Spirit archetype after The Shining Darkness, leading to both being essentially DemotedToExtra.

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* This is common in later ''Anime/YuGiOh'' ''Franchise/YuGiOh'' series. Since the whole thing is MerchandiseDriven, [[OutOfFocus a drought of new releases for their archetype]] can cripple certain characters. Not only does it give them less of a pool to work with, but {{Konami}} won't lobby for their victory, since it wouldn't advertise anything. This is particularly dangerous for characters who utilize limited archetypes. For instance, in ''Anime/YuGiOhGX,'' Asuka starts off as a pretty respectable player, but when Cyber Girls failed to catch on (the last set to include them, Enemy ''Enemy of Justice, Justice'', started shipping less than halfway into the series), her Deck and win record suffered. She has to lean heavily on her Cyber Angels afterward, and being anime-only, they manage wins against {{Joke Character}}s and not much else. Similarly, Kenzan's Deck stagnated to oblivion after Dinosaur's Rage ''Dinosaur's Rage'' hit, and Daichi, Misawa, who never saw any of his cards released after the Water Dragon set didn't work out, dropped in status from dangerous rival to complete loser. Later on, in ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds,'' the dearth death of Plant-types Plant-Types following Raging Battle ''Raging Battle'' left Aki with nothing over 2400 ATK, and Ruka Luka failed to see any expansion whatsoever of her already pitiful Spirit archetype after The ''The Shining Darkness, Darkness'', leading to both being essentially DemotedToExtra.
4th Sep '16 12:50:01 PM infernape612
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* In both the computer and tabletop version of Avalon Hill's ''Videogame/ThirdReich'' the French army never improves, ever. Normally this isn't a problem, because France usually falls to the Germans no later than Spring 1941. But sometimes, especially if the Axis player decides to go east and attack the Soviet Union first, France may hold out more or less indefinitely, in which case this trope becomes very noticeable. Every other country gets new units in 1942 or '43; even the Italians get a paratrooper and another 9-factor fleet. The French are stuck with mostly 2-3 infantry and a few 3-5 armor units, plus two 5-factor air fleets, and they never get a paratrooper. There's just not a lot they can do at that point. Although this may be more a case of Can'tAvoidFallingBehind.

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* In both the computer and tabletop version of Avalon Hill's ''Videogame/ThirdReich'' the French army never improves, ever. Normally this isn't a problem, because France usually falls to the Germans no later than Spring 1941. But sometimes, especially if the Axis player decides to go east and attack the Soviet Union first, France may hold out more or less indefinitely, in which case this trope becomes very noticeable. Every other country gets new units in 1942 or '43; even the Italians get a paratrooper and another 9-factor fleet. The French are stuck with mostly 2-3 infantry and a few 3-5 armor units, plus two 5-factor air fleets, and they never get a paratrooper. There's just not a lot they can do at that point. Although this may be more a case of Can'tAvoidFallingBehind."Can't Avoid Falling Behind".
28th Aug '16 7:55:57 AM deimos415
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*** Justified in Roshi's case, as his prime was over a hundred years ago and by the time Dragon Ball starts he's an elderly man who can't hang in there anymore due to his age and toll on his body.

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*** Justified in Roshi's case, as his prime was over a hundred years ago and by the time Dragon Ball starts he's an elderly man who can't hang in there anymore due to his age and toll on his body. Not to mention, Roshi at the very least had some grace about it and acknowledged his place as soon as it was clear that Goku had become something he can't even comprehend anymore; Goku taking apart the Red Ribbon army singlehandedly started to clue him in, the end of the King Piccolo Saga is where he accepts it completely.
15th Aug '16 10:28:06 AM Tropetastic1995
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** Piccolo (Junior) managed to somewhat evade this trope by staying relevant all the way up to the Cell Saga despite not being a Saiyan. He still contributed to battles by defeating Dr. Gero and later on, combining with Kami to trade blows with both Android 17 and Cell in his first form. It's only afterwords that he became a jaded babysitter for Trunks and Goten during the Buu Saga, never again to regain his former glory.

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** Piccolo (Junior) managed to somewhat evade this trope by staying relevant all the way up to the Cell Saga despite not being a Saiyan. He still contributed to battles by defeating Dr. Gero and later on, combining with Kami to trade blows with both Android 17 and Cell in his first form. It's only afterwords that he became a jaded babysitter for Trunks and Goten during the Buu Saga, never again Saga. In ''Super'', he actually ''does'' get to regain his former glory.catch up somewhat, but he still fulfills the role of being WeakButSkilled and still doesn't compare to Goku and vegeta in their Super Modes.
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