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23rd Sep '16 1:49:50 PM MajinAkuma
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* This is common in later ''Anime/YuGiOh'' series. Since the whole thing is MerchandiseDriven, [[OutOfFocus a drought of new releases for their archetype]] can cripple certain characters. Not only does it give them less of a pool to work with, but {{Konami}} won't lobby for their victory, since it wouldn't advertise anything. This is particularly dangerous for characters who utilize limited archetypes. For instance, in ''Anime/YuGiOhGX,'' Asuka starts off as a pretty respectable player, but when Cyber Girls failed to catch on (the last set to include them, Enemy of Justice, started shipping less than halfway into the series), her Deck and win record suffered. She has to lean heavily on her Cyber Angels afterward, and being anime-only, they manage wins against {{Joke Character}}s and not much else. Similarly, Kenzan's Deck stagnated to oblivion after Dinosaur's Rage hit, and Daichi, who never saw any of his cards released after the Water Dragon set didn't work out, dropped in status from dangerous rival to complete loser. Later on, in ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds,'' the dearth of Plant-types following Raging Battle left Aki with nothing over 2400 ATK, and Ruka failed to see any expansion whatsoever of her already pitiful Spirit archetype after The Shining Darkness, leading to both being essentially DemotedToExtra.

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* This is common in later ''Anime/YuGiOh'' ''Franchise/YuGiOh'' series. Since the whole thing is MerchandiseDriven, [[OutOfFocus a drought of new releases for their archetype]] can cripple certain characters. Not only does it give them less of a pool to work with, but {{Konami}} won't lobby for their victory, since it wouldn't advertise anything. This is particularly dangerous for characters who utilize limited archetypes. For instance, in ''Anime/YuGiOhGX,'' Asuka starts off as a pretty respectable player, but when Cyber Girls failed to catch on (the last set to include them, Enemy ''Enemy of Justice, Justice'', started shipping less than halfway into the series), her Deck and win record suffered. She has to lean heavily on her Cyber Angels afterward, and being anime-only, they manage wins against {{Joke Character}}s and not much else. Similarly, Kenzan's Deck stagnated to oblivion after Dinosaur's Rage ''Dinosaur's Rage'' hit, and Daichi, Misawa, who never saw any of his cards released after the Water Dragon set didn't work out, dropped in status from dangerous rival to complete loser. Later on, in ''Anime/YuGiOh5Ds,'' the dearth death of Plant-types Plant-Types following Raging Battle ''Raging Battle'' left Aki with nothing over 2400 ATK, and Ruka Luka failed to see any expansion whatsoever of her already pitiful Spirit archetype after The ''The Shining Darkness, Darkness'', leading to both being essentially DemotedToExtra.
4th Sep '16 12:50:01 PM infernape612
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* In both the computer and tabletop version of Avalon Hill's ''Videogame/ThirdReich'' the French army never improves, ever. Normally this isn't a problem, because France usually falls to the Germans no later than Spring 1941. But sometimes, especially if the Axis player decides to go east and attack the Soviet Union first, France may hold out more or less indefinitely, in which case this trope becomes very noticeable. Every other country gets new units in 1942 or '43; even the Italians get a paratrooper and another 9-factor fleet. The French are stuck with mostly 2-3 infantry and a few 3-5 armor units, plus two 5-factor air fleets, and they never get a paratrooper. There's just not a lot they can do at that point. Although this may be more a case of Can'tAvoidFallingBehind.

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* In both the computer and tabletop version of Avalon Hill's ''Videogame/ThirdReich'' the French army never improves, ever. Normally this isn't a problem, because France usually falls to the Germans no later than Spring 1941. But sometimes, especially if the Axis player decides to go east and attack the Soviet Union first, France may hold out more or less indefinitely, in which case this trope becomes very noticeable. Every other country gets new units in 1942 or '43; even the Italians get a paratrooper and another 9-factor fleet. The French are stuck with mostly 2-3 infantry and a few 3-5 armor units, plus two 5-factor air fleets, and they never get a paratrooper. There's just not a lot they can do at that point. Although this may be more a case of Can'tAvoidFallingBehind."Can't Avoid Falling Behind".
28th Aug '16 7:55:57 AM deimos415
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*** Justified in Roshi's case, as his prime was over a hundred years ago and by the time Dragon Ball starts he's an elderly man who can't hang in there anymore due to his age and toll on his body.

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*** Justified in Roshi's case, as his prime was over a hundred years ago and by the time Dragon Ball starts he's an elderly man who can't hang in there anymore due to his age and toll on his body. Not to mention, Roshi at the very least had some grace about it and acknowledged his place as soon as it was clear that Goku had become something he can't even comprehend anymore; Goku taking apart the Red Ribbon army singlehandedly started to clue him in, the end of the King Piccolo Saga is where he accepts it completely.
15th Aug '16 10:28:06 AM Tropetastic1995
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** Piccolo (Junior) managed to somewhat evade this trope by staying relevant all the way up to the Cell Saga despite not being a Saiyan. He still contributed to battles by defeating Dr. Gero and later on, combining with Kami to trade blows with both Android 17 and Cell in his first form. It's only afterwords that he became a jaded babysitter for Trunks and Goten during the Buu Saga, never again to regain his former glory.

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** Piccolo (Junior) managed to somewhat evade this trope by staying relevant all the way up to the Cell Saga despite not being a Saiyan. He still contributed to battles by defeating Dr. Gero and later on, combining with Kami to trade blows with both Android 17 and Cell in his first form. It's only afterwords that he became a jaded babysitter for Trunks and Goten during the Buu Saga, never again Saga. In ''Super'', he actually ''does'' get to regain his former glory.catch up somewhat, but he still fulfills the role of being WeakButSkilled and still doesn't compare to Goku and vegeta in their Super Modes.
7th Aug '16 6:49:33 PM MissMarionette
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** [[FauxActionGirl Sakura]] is quickly eclipsed by her teammates who have natural talent ''and'' get dedicated teachers. Ironicaly, Sakura is the one with all the talent at the start of the series, and she does get a dedicated teacher in Tsunade, but aside from a brief cameo showing off her new abilities (during which times she rarely makes a useful contribution), she's still on the sidelines 90% of the time. [[spoiler: However, she's now at least caught up to base Naruto and Sasuke, if not being near their initial KCM and EMS forms respectively.]][[spoiler: Sakura [[ZigZaggingTrope continuously moves on and off on this trope]]. It ''seems'' like she has finally caught up to a degree, in terms of raw power, in comparison to Naruto and Sasuke. However, [[FifteenMinutesOfFame after briefly destroying and knocking around a few of the Ten-Tails mini clones]], she is quickly overwhelmed by one of the large versions of the clones and it seemingly about the killed, only to be saved by at the last second... by Naruto and Sasuke, in true Team 7 fashion. After that she went to summon Katsuyu to do her original job of [[TheMedic healing everyone.]]
*** In Part 1, while she was actually good for a genin fresh out of the academy genin, she ends up looking weak (though to be fair, she is always put in situations that even veteran Jonin and Kage would have had trouble in. And in Part 2, even when she reached Kage level, her opponents go god level.
** Many of the side characters of Naruto are eclipsed by Team 7 in the Shippuden Portion of the Series, to such an extent where even [[TheStoic Kakashi]] starts to be included in this throughout the latter and more current day part. Kakashi himself admitted that Naruto may have surpassed him.

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** [[FauxActionGirl Sakura]] is quickly eclipsed by her teammates who have natural talent ''and'' get dedicated teachers. Ironicaly, Ironically, Sakura is the one with all the talent at the start of the series, and she does get a dedicated teacher in Tsunade, but aside from a brief cameo showing off her new abilities (during which times she rarely makes a useful contribution), she's still on the sidelines 90% of the time. [[spoiler: However, she's now at least caught up to base Naruto and Sasuke, if not being near their initial KCM and EMS forms respectively.]][[spoiler: Sakura [[ZigZaggingTrope continuously moves on and off on this trope]]. It ''seems'' like she has finally caught up to a degree, in terms of raw power, in comparison to Naruto and Sasuke. However, [[FifteenMinutesOfFame after briefly destroying and knocking around a few of the Ten-Tails mini clones]], she is quickly overwhelmed by one of the large versions of the clones and it seemingly about the killed, only to be saved by at the last second... by Naruto and Sasuke, in true Team 7 fashion. After that she went to summon Katsuyu to do her original job of [[TheMedic healing everyone.]]
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*** In Part 1, while she was actually good for a genin fresh out of the academy genin, academy, she ends up looking weak (though to be fair, she is always put in situations that even veteran Jonin and Kage would have had trouble in. And in Part 2, even when she reached Kage level, her opponents go god level.
** Many of the side characters of Naruto are eclipsed by Team 7 in the Shippuden Portion portion of the Series, series, to such an extent where even [[TheStoic Kakashi]] starts to be included in this throughout the latter and more current day part. Kakashi himself admitted that Naruto may have surpassed him.
6th Aug '16 12:27:44 PM cfalcon_yunica
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** Wendy from ''FireEmblem Elibe'' is a particularly awful/great example (depending on how you want to look at it). By the time she joins your army, she's level 1 when most units will be near or at double digits. She joins your army at the same time as a much more capable unit of the same class, Armor Knight. She's also an Armor Knight in a game that isn't particularly kind to Armor Knights to begin with given that their stat growths are mediocre and units with 4 Movement are not great for timed objectives required for the True Ending. Immediately after Wendy joins your army, you travel to an island full of pirates wielding axes. It becomes extremely difficult to train Wendy (outside of taking her to the Arena and abusing save states) and is widely agreed to be not worth the effort at all.
31st Jul '16 12:36:42 PM omegaman
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** The reason behind Sasuke's initial defection was because he felt Naruto ''could'' catch up, and indeed may have surpassed him already. This was fueled by Sasuke getting worfed in several battles which Naruto's brute strength was far better suited to dealing with. [[spoiler: When Naruto reveals his Biju Mode in the Fourth Shinobi World War, effortlessly uses all the chakra it gives to save the entire Alliance, and then he ''[[UpToEleven combines]]'' it with Sage Mode, Sasuke clenches his hand into a tight fist angrily when he realizes how far ahead Naruto's come. Sasuke is at least able to fight ''comparably'' with help, and his manifestation of Perfect Susano'o means he's trying to close the gap. But its clear he needs more than even Perfect Susano'o to truly catch up.]]\\
[[spoiler: Sasuke and Naruto mirror Madara and Hashirama respectfully, with at times Sasuke/Madara being slightly ahead before Naruto/Hashirama shows more of their full power. Perfect Susano'o doesn't close the gap since it didn't close the gap between Madara and Hashirama. Madara needed ''[[EldritchAbomination Kurama's]]'' help just to equal the power of Hashirama's [[SuperMode Sage Mode]] power, after all. A common fan theory is that Sasuke will either awaken his own Rinnegan or eat the Ten-Tails fruit to close the gap between himself and Naruto.]]

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** The reason behind Sasuke's initial defection was because he felt Naruto ''could'' catch up, and indeed may have surpassed him already. This was fueled by Sasuke getting worfed in several battles which Naruto's brute strength was far better suited to dealing with. [[spoiler: When Naruto reveals his Biju Mode in the Fourth Shinobi World War, effortlessly uses all the chakra it gives to save the entire Alliance, and then he ''[[UpToEleven combines]]'' it with Sage Mode, Sasuke clenches his hand into a tight fist angrily when he realizes how far ahead Naruto's come. Sasuke is at least able to fight ''comparably'' with help, and his manifestation of Perfect Susano'o means he's trying to close the gap. But its clear he needs more than even Perfect Susano'o to truly catch up.]]\\
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[[spoiler: Sasuke and Naruto mirror Madara and Hashirama respectfully, with at times Sasuke/Madara being slightly ahead before Naruto/Hashirama shows more of their full power. Perfect Susano'o doesn't close the gap since it didn't close the gap between Madara and Hashirama. Madara needed ''[[EldritchAbomination Kurama's]]'' help just to equal the power of Hashirama's [[SuperMode Sage Mode]] power, after all. A common fan theory is that ]]
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Sasuke will either awaken does finally catch up in the last few chapters of the manga. Hagoromo makes his own Perfect Susano'o, Rinnegan, and Rinnegan or eat Teleportation much more powerful during his and Naruto's showdown with [[BigBad Kaguya]], and additional powers, including [[EnergyAbsorption Preta Path]] and [[GravityMaster Deva Path]], are unlocked after the Ten-Tails fruit battle. Naturally, they come just in time for Sasuke to become the final BigBad of series. ''[[Manga/NarutoGaiden Naruto Gaiden]]'' and ''[[Anime/BorutoNarutoTheMovie Buruto: Naruto the Movie]]'', which feature an adult Naruto and Sasuke, ultimately show that while Sasuke may not match Naruto in sheer power, he comes close the gap between himself and Naruto.]] is skilled enough to keep up with Naruto even in his Six Paths Sage Mode.
17th Jul '16 9:56:03 AM storyyeller
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* This is actually *inverted* in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI''. At several points in the game, unused characters have their level bumped up to the party average plus a static modifier. This means that unused characters often end up at a ''higher'' level than the characters you were actually using. They do have the minor drawback of missing out on esper bonuses, however.

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* This is actually *inverted* '''inverted''' in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI''. At several points in the game, unused characters have their level bumped up to the party average plus a static modifier. This means that unused characters often end up at a ''higher'' level than the characters you were actually using. They do have the minor drawback of missing out on esper bonuses, however.
17th Jul '16 9:55:20 AM storyyeller
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* This is actually *inverted* in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI''. At several points in the game, unused characters have their level bumped up to the party average plus a static modifier. This means that unused characters often end up at a ''higher'' level than the characters you were actually using. They do have the minor drawback of missing out on esper bonuses, however.
10th Jul '16 7:34:43 AM Morgenthaler
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** The amount of magical power that a person can both naturally hold and expand in is usually pre-determined. Because she was born with an obscenely high Bucket Capacity (the natural amount of magic one possesses), [[RedHeadedHeroine Lina]] outranks a majority of humans in magic, including the more balanced Amelia and the MagicKnight Zelgadis (who, when he was human, was implied to have minimal magic power to begin with; courtesy of a part of his chimeric makeup, his magical power expanded). [[GoldfishPoopGang Naga the Serpent]] is implied to have both a Bucket Capacity that can rival Lina's and a bigger Pool Capacity (how much power can be exerted before exhaustion), but she's so [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered]] and [[TheDitz flaky]] that she can't perform the same feats Lina can - calling upon the power of [[GuardianOfTheMultiverse the Lord of Nightmares]], for one.

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** The amount of magical power that a person can both naturally hold and expand in is usually pre-determined. Because she was born with an obscenely high Bucket Capacity (the natural amount of magic one possesses), [[RedHeadedHeroine Lina]] Lina outranks a majority of humans in magic, including the more balanced Amelia and the MagicKnight Zelgadis (who, when he was human, was implied to have minimal magic power to begin with; courtesy of a part of his chimeric makeup, his magical power expanded). [[GoldfishPoopGang Naga the Serpent]] is implied to have both a Bucket Capacity that can rival Lina's and a bigger Pool Capacity (how much power can be exerted before exhaustion), but she's so [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered]] and [[TheDitz flaky]] that she can't perform the same feats Lina can - calling upon the power of [[GuardianOfTheMultiverse the Lord of Nightmares]], for one.
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