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16th Oct '17 10:56:15 PM KBABZ
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** Android 18, quite possibly the only legitimately dangerous woman in the series, gets his with this immediately after her HeelFaceTurn. When she's first introduced in the Android Saga, she was strong enough to [[CurbStompBattle effortlessly defeat Android 19 and SSJ Vegeta]], and along with her brother 17, basically ended the world in Future Trunks' timeline after [[TotalPartyKill killing every.]] [[HeroKiller Single. Z-fighter]]. After marrying Krillin though, the only fight she wins is against [[FakeUltimateHero Hercule Satan]]. Her only roles in the series after that initial high points are to be [[TheAssimilator absorbed by Cell]], [[EatenAlive eaten by Buu]], and [[TheWorfEffect defeated in one pimp slap by Beerus.]] She doesn't even participate in the battle against Freeza's forces in ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' despite, [[LampshadeHanging pointing out to Krillin]] that she is still stronger then him. Although there is some justification in that, after the Cell arc, she stopped participating in major battles, everybody not named Goku got CurbStomp|ed by Beerus, and during Resurrection F Krillin asked her to protect their daughter Marron in case things went south with Freeza.

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** Android 18, quite possibly the only legitimately dangerous woman in the series, gets his with this immediately after her HeelFaceTurn. When she's first introduced in the Android Saga, she was strong enough to [[CurbStompBattle effortlessly defeat Android 19 and SSJ Vegeta]], and along with her brother 17, basically ended the world in Future Trunks' timeline after [[TotalPartyKill killing every.]] [[HeroKiller Single. Z-fighter]]. After marrying Krillin though, the only fight she wins is against [[FakeUltimateHero Hercule Mr. Satan]]. Her only roles in the series after that initial high points are to be [[TheAssimilator absorbed by Cell]], [[EatenAlive eaten by Buu]], and [[TheWorfEffect defeated in one pimp slap by Beerus.]] She doesn't even participate in the battle against Freeza's forces in ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' despite, [[LampshadeHanging pointing out to Krillin]] that she is still stronger then him. Although there is some justification in that, after the Cell arc, she stopped participating in major battles, everybody not named Goku got CurbStomp|ed by Beerus, and during Resurrection F Krillin asked her to protect their daughter Marron in case things went south with Freeza.
7th Oct '17 12:30:11 PM Dunrana
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***to be fair, the "just a rebadged Mitsubishi" K-car platform is seriously awesome.
27th Sep '17 7:17:35 AM Mujaki
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* The adaptation of ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' deconstructs the hell out of this trope, especially with Gohan. Because everyone's default reaction now is essentially "Let's wait until Goku and/or Vegeta shows up", a lot of them have essentially slacked off save for Piccolo and Tienshenhan. Gohan is the worst off as he focused more on his studies and his family than his training and, when he goes to fight, he can only sustain ''basic'' Super Saiyan form for only a few moments - he can't even reach Super Saiyan 2 or his "Mystic Gohan" level anymore. This costs him dearly as, here, Piccolo dies TakingTheBullet from a sadistic Frieza. When Piccolo is revived by the Namekian Dragon Balls, the first thing Gohan does is ask him to retrain him. Later on in the series, it's shown that Krillin has actually developed a serious inferiority complex over his weakness relative to Goku. At the same time, [[SubvertedTrope this is subverted]] on several occasions by having Goku and Vegeta face opponents with more esoteric powers that actually have to be puzzled out, as brute strength won't cut it. The "Universe Survival" arc brings many of the original cast back into the fray by either subtly [[IAmNotLeftHanded boosting their power]] or emphasizing that skill and strategy (which most of the old cast ''do'' possess) will be more important than raw power in the Tournament of Power (an 80 man Battle Royale).

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* The adaptation of ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' deconstructs the hell out of this trope, especially starting with Gohan. Because the adaptation of ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' - because everyone's default reaction now is essentially "Let's wait until Goku and/or Vegeta shows up", a lot of them have essentially slacked off save (save for Piccolo Piccolo, Roshi, and Tienshenhan. Tienshenhan).
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Gohan is the worst off as he focused more on his studies and his family than his training and, when he goes to fight, he can only sustain ''basic'' Super Saiyan form for only a few moments - he can't even reach Super Saiyan 2 or his "Mystic Gohan" level anymore. This costs him dearly as, here, Piccolo dies TakingTheBullet from a sadistic Frieza. When Piccolo is revived by the Namekian Dragon Balls, the first thing Gohan does is ask him to retrain him.
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Later on in the series, it's shown that Krillin has actually developed a serious inferiority complex over his weakness relative to Goku. After admitting this to his wife (an ActionGirl of the highest order, mind you), both he and Goku head to their old mentor Master Roshi for training. It turns out that the OldMaster still has a trick or two up his sleeve to teach them (and is proud of both of them for acknowledging that despite their strength relative to his own, they still have techniques to master).
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At the same time, [[SubvertedTrope this is subverted]] on several occasions by having Goku and Vegeta face opponents with more esoteric powers that actually have to be puzzled out, as brute strength alone won't cut it. The "Universe Survival" ''Universe Survival'' arc brings many much of the original cast back into the fray by either subtly [[IAmNotLeftHanded boosting their power]] or emphasizing that skill and strategy (which most of the old cast ''do'' possess) will be more important than raw power in the Tournament of Power (an 80 man Battle Royale).Royale). The gamble pays off in spades, as [[TopGod Zen'o]] designed the arena to negate ki-based flight and the advantage a HeavyWorlder (or those who train like them) might have. ''Master Roshi'' of all people eliminates a good portion of U4's fighters through trickery rather than brute strength.
4th Sep '17 3:46:29 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Cersei Lannister can play speed chess well against her somewhat dim-witted husband and the honorable-to-a-fault Ned Stark, but after removing these two and moving a rank up she quickly finds herself out of depth. The fact that she doesn't have any control over her psychotic son whom she has made a king doesn't help a bit. Even after he's dead and her far kinder and gullible second son is on the throne, she's still outplayed by those around her. Her only advantage is that she is willing to do things others consider downright stupid, which leaves them unprepared as they assume she would ''never'' try it. And even this begins to fade as players like Margaery Tyrell figure out how Cersei plays the game.
3rd Sep '17 11:05:19 PM MBG
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** Discussed as well in... [[ButtMonkey pretty much any scene involving Krillin]], but especially one where Guru unlocks his full hidden potential - only for Krillin to discover, to his dismay, that it wasn't that much. (True to form, in the original series, Krillin's powerup amounted to very little.)
-->'''Krillin''': Huh. So this is my full potential?\\
'''Guru''': Yes.\\
'''Krillin''': So it's...\\
'''Guru''': All downhill from here.\\
'''Krillin''': [[MemeticLoser ...Like Yamcha.]]
29th Jul '17 2:38:27 PM VulgarBee
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** The adaptation of ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' deconstructs the hell out of this trope, especially with Gohan. Because everyone's default reaction now is essentially "Let's wait until Goku and/or Vegeta shows up", a lot of them have essentially slacked off save for Piccolo and Tienshenhan. Gohan is the worst off as he focused more on his studies and his family than his training and, when he goes to fight, he can only sustain ''basic'' Super Saiyan form for only a few moments - he can't even reach Super Saiyan 2 or his "Mystic Gohan" level anymore. This costs him dearly as, here, Piccolo dies TakingTheBullet from a sadistic Frieza. When Piccolo is revived by the Namekian Dragon Balls, the first thing Gohan does is ask him to retrain him. Later on in the series, it's shown that Krillin has actually developed a serious inferiority complex over his weakness relative to Goku. At the same time, [[SubvertedTrope this is subverted]] on several occasions by having Goku and Vegeta face opponents with more esoteric powers that actually have to be puzzled out, as brute strength won't cut it. The "Universe Survival" arc brings many of the original cast back into the fray by either subtly [[IAmNotLeftHanded boosting their power]] or emphasizing that skill and strategy (which most of the old cast ''do'' possess) will be more important than raw power in the Tournament of Power (an 80 man Battle Royale).

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** * The adaptation of ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' deconstructs the hell out of this trope, especially with Gohan. Because everyone's default reaction now is essentially "Let's wait until Goku and/or Vegeta shows up", a lot of them have essentially slacked off save for Piccolo and Tienshenhan. Gohan is the worst off as he focused more on his studies and his family than his training and, when he goes to fight, he can only sustain ''basic'' Super Saiyan form for only a few moments - he can't even reach Super Saiyan 2 or his "Mystic Gohan" level anymore. This costs him dearly as, here, Piccolo dies TakingTheBullet from a sadistic Frieza. When Piccolo is revived by the Namekian Dragon Balls, the first thing Gohan does is ask him to retrain him. Later on in the series, it's shown that Krillin has actually developed a serious inferiority complex over his weakness relative to Goku. At the same time, [[SubvertedTrope this is subverted]] on several occasions by having Goku and Vegeta face opponents with more esoteric powers that actually have to be puzzled out, as brute strength won't cut it. The "Universe Survival" arc brings many of the original cast back into the fray by either subtly [[IAmNotLeftHanded boosting their power]] or emphasizing that skill and strategy (which most of the old cast ''do'' possess) will be more important than raw power in the Tournament of Power (an 80 man Battle Royale).



** Usopp is practically the poster boy; The writer himself admits that Usopp will ''always'' be the least powerful member of the crew no matter what, because he tries to keep him at a level where the reader would be able to [[AudienceSurrogate relate to him]]. He does behave pretty realistically for someone under the employment of Monkey D Luffy, one of the strongest pirates in the world, and who, as far as traditional pirate vessels work, should outrank Sanji, another one of the strongest pirates in the world.

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** Usopp is practically the poster boy; The the writer himself admits that Usopp will ''always'' be the least powerful member of the crew no matter what, because he tries to keep him at a level where the reader would be able to [[AudienceSurrogate relate to him]]. He does behave pretty realistically for someone under the employment of Monkey D Luffy, one of the strongest pirates in the world, and who, as far as traditional pirate vessels work, should outrank Sanji, another one of the strongest pirates in the world.
29th Jul '17 1:18:44 PM DarkHunter
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** The adaptation of ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' deconstructs the hell out of this trope, especially with Gohan. Because everyone's default reaction now is essentially "Let's wait until Goku and/or Vegeta shows up", a lot of them have essentially slacked off save for Piccolo and Tienshenhan. Gohan is the worst off as he focused more on his studies and his family than his training and, when he goes to fight, he can only sustain ''basic'' Super Saiyan form for only a few moments - he can't even reach Super Saiyan 2 or his "Mystic Gohan" level anymore. This costs him dearly as, here, Piccolo dies TakingTheBullet from a sadistic Frieza. When Piccolo is revived by the Namekian Dragon Balls, the first thing Gohan does is ask him to retrain him. Later on in the series, it's shown that Krillin has actually developed a serious inferiority complex over his weakness relative to Goku. At the same time, [[SubvertedTrope this is subverted]] on several occasions by having Goku and Vegeta face opponents with more esoteric powers that actually have to be puzzled out, as brute strength won't cut it. The "Universe Survival" arc brings many of the original cast back into the fray by either subtly [[IAmNotLeftHanded boosting their power]] or emphasizing their other abilities as being useful for the fights ahead.

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** The adaptation of ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' deconstructs the hell out of this trope, especially with Gohan. Because everyone's default reaction now is essentially "Let's wait until Goku and/or Vegeta shows up", a lot of them have essentially slacked off save for Piccolo and Tienshenhan. Gohan is the worst off as he focused more on his studies and his family than his training and, when he goes to fight, he can only sustain ''basic'' Super Saiyan form for only a few moments - he can't even reach Super Saiyan 2 or his "Mystic Gohan" level anymore. This costs him dearly as, here, Piccolo dies TakingTheBullet from a sadistic Frieza. When Piccolo is revived by the Namekian Dragon Balls, the first thing Gohan does is ask him to retrain him. Later on in the series, it's shown that Krillin has actually developed a serious inferiority complex over his weakness relative to Goku. At the same time, [[SubvertedTrope this is subverted]] on several occasions by having Goku and Vegeta face opponents with more esoteric powers that actually have to be puzzled out, as brute strength won't cut it. The "Universe Survival" arc brings many of the original cast back into the fray by either subtly [[IAmNotLeftHanded boosting their power]] or emphasizing their other abilities as being useful for that skill and strategy (which most of the fights ahead.old cast ''do'' possess) will be more important than raw power in the Tournament of Power (an 80 man Battle Royale).
26th Jul '17 1:14:13 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Cersei Lannister can play speed chess well against her somewhat dim-witted husband and the honorable-to-a-fault Ned Stark, but after removing these two and moving a rank up she quickly finds herself out of depth. The fact that she doesn't have any control over her psychotic son whom she has made a king doesn't help a bit. Even after he's dead and her far kinder and gullible second son is on the throne, she's still outplayed by those around her. Her only advantage is that she is willing to do things others consider downright stupid, which leaves them unprepared as they assume she would ''never'' try it. And even this begins to fade as players like Margaery Tyrell figure out how Cersei plays the game.
18th Jul '17 12:44:37 PM MBG159
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** The Predacons, on the other hand, play it straight. Inferno was dominant when he was introduced in Season 1 and Quickstrike, while never as much of a threat as Inferno, was reasonably well powered when he came in at the start of Season 2. Neither were given upgrades while the Predacon team got fairly significant upgrades all around. And then we have Waspinator - started as the weakest Predacon and *never* got an upgrade But you gotta' give him points for [[RunningGag sheer]] [[TheyKilledKenny endurance.]]

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** The Predacons, on the other hand, play it straight. Inferno was dominant when he was introduced in Season 1 1, and Quickstrike, while never as much of a threat as Inferno, was reasonably well powered when he came in at the start of Season 2. Neither were given upgrades while the Predacon team got fairly significant upgrades all around. And then we have Waspinator - started as the weakest Predacon and *never* got an upgrade upgrade. But you gotta' gotta give him points for [[RunningGag sheer]] [[TheyKilledKenny endurance.]]]]
** In the fandom, this is part of the "[[MerchandiseDriven to sell toys]]" effect. A character who just had a new toy released will be fairly dominant, powerful, and competent, but if they aren't getting new toys (which often get translated into upgraded forms), then they can't keep up with the characters who are. [[Anime/TransformersRobotsInDisguise Sky-Byte]], like Waspinator, is another case of a character who started out as reasonably tough if a bit bumbling and quickly dropped to the ButtMonkey as better villains showed up or got upgrades.
6th Jul '17 1:59:54 PM ironballs16
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** Krillin "suffered" from this, but it actually helped make him one of the more endearing characters in the series -- when push came to shove, he would show surprising heart and bravery by jumping into fights he knew he had essentially no chance of winning. Krillin in the NonSerialMovie ''The World's Strongest'' does not even hit the BigBad ''once''.
---->'''Krillin''': Can't I get in one good hit???

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** Krillin "suffered" from this, but it actually helped make him one of the more endearing characters in the series -- when push came to shove, [[CowardlyLion he would show surprising heart and bravery by jumping into fights he knew he had essentially no chance of winning.winning]]. Krillin in the NonSerialMovie ''The World's Strongest'' does not even hit the BigBad ''once''.
---->'''Krillin''': --->'''Krillin''': Can't I get in one good hit???
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