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7th Nov '17 12:59:07 PM Tightwire
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In the second version, this can sometimes be tricky to identify; creators often draw on their own personality, appearance, and/or history for inspiration, since it's easy and convenient to write [[WriteWhatYouKnow what]] and [[WriteWhoYouKnow who]] you know, so the appearance of these doesn't automatically mean a Canon Sue. However, if the character that appears is very obviously an AuthorStandIn, especially to such a degree that the character's back-story and the author's biography are practically interchangeable; [[AuthorTract believes in everything the creator believes]] and does everything the creator does ([[WishFulfillment or wants to do]]) and is absolutely correct and perfect in both; is over-idealized and perfect to a fault; is disliked or disagreed with only by characters who are clearly shown to be stupid, mad, or evil; and/or (most importantly and required) gives the impression that the story exists only to further them and them alone, ([[WeAreTeamCannonFodder most often to the detriment of any other characters present]], [[CantCatchUp who simply cannot measure up to]] [[CreatorsPet the author's clear favourite]]), you're in MarySue territory.

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In the second version, this can sometimes be tricky to identify; creators often draw on their own personality, appearance, and/or history for inspiration, since it's easy and convenient to write [[WriteWhatYouKnow what]] and [[WriteWhoYouKnow who]] you know, so the appearance of these doesn't automatically mean a Canon Sue. However, if

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the other hand, this can feel very appropriate in a franchise's spin-off - to keep the series 'fresh', a new character that appears is very obviously introduced, and in order to make an AuthorStandIn, especially to such a degree that imprint on the viewer they are just AMAZING. They're clever, they're strong, they're authorative. If they're in the military, the uniform doesn't necessarily apply, and neither do regulation hair-dos. Frequently we can see a male character's back-story attraction to them - even if this requires dumping a former love interest. And of course, Sue shows that she doesn't take shit from the men by being a bitch to them when they admire her. This fault either goes unnoticed, making her impossible to like, or fades within an episode or two, and the author's biography are practically interchangeable; [[AuthorTract believes in everything the creator believes]] and does everything the creator does ([[WishFulfillment or wants to do]]) and is absolutely correct and perfect in both; is over-idealized and perfect to a fault; is disliked or disagreed her personality evaporates with only by characters who are clearly shown to be stupid, mad, or evil; and/or (most importantly and required) gives the impression it because that the story exists only to further them and them alone, ([[WeAreTeamCannonFodder most often was all there was to the detriment of any other characters present]], [[CantCatchUp who simply cannot measure up to]] [[CreatorsPet the author's clear favourite]]), you're in MarySue territory.
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11th Sep '17 9:20:13 AM Morgenthaler
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In general, Canon Sues are significantly less common than {{fanfiction}} Mary Sues, since most professional authors have more skill, talent and accumulated experience than the amateurs who write fanfiction, not to mention the help of professional editors. However, this means that when they do occur they are significantly more visible ([[MyImmortal who's going to remember the hastily typed out daydream of a 12 year old girl in a year?]]). Due to the author creating an entirely different template for the work of fiction, they can set up the rules of TheVerse that allow or disallow particular tropes or characteristics. As such, they can choose what CommonMarySueTraits are allowed, making it a bit harder to see when plot bias is in effect. However, they're hardly immune to this trend. Nor is this a new element; Creator/GeorgeEliot's ''Literature/SillyNovelsByLadyNovelists'' castigates many original novels of her day for obvious Mary Sue traits (among other flaws).

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In general, Canon Sues are significantly less common than {{fanfiction}} Mary Sues, since most professional authors have more skill, talent and accumulated experience than the amateurs who write fanfiction, not to mention the help of professional editors. However, this means that when they do occur they are significantly more visible ([[MyImmortal ([[Fanfic/MyImmortal who's going to remember the hastily typed out daydream of a 12 year old girl in a year?]]). Due to the author creating an entirely different template for the work of fiction, they can set up the rules of TheVerse that allow or disallow particular tropes or characteristics. As such, they can choose what CommonMarySueTraits are allowed, making it a bit harder to see when plot bias is in effect. However, they're hardly immune to this trend. Nor is this a new element; Creator/GeorgeEliot's ''Literature/SillyNovelsByLadyNovelists'' castigates many original novels of her day for obvious Mary Sue traits (among other flaws).
23rd Jan '17 4:47:05 AM LondonKdS
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In the second version, this can sometimes be tricky to identify; creators often draw on their own personality, appearance, and/or history for inspiration, since it's easy and convenient to write [[WriteWhatYouKnow what]] and [[WriteWhoYouKnow who]] you know, so the appearance of these doesn't automatically mean a Canon Sue. However, if the character that appears is very obviously an AuthorStandIn (especially to such a degree that the character's back-story and the author's biography are practically interchangeable), [[AuthorTract believes in everything the creator believes]], does everything the creator does ([[WishFulfillment or wants to do]]) and is absolutely correct and perfect in both, is over-idealized and perfect to a fault, and/or (most importantly and required) seems as though the story exists only to further this one specific character ([[WeAreTeamCannonFodder most often to the detriment of any other characters present]], [[CantCatchUp who simply cannot measure up to]] [[CreatorsPet the author's clear favourite]]), you're in MarySue territory.

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In the second version, this can sometimes be tricky to identify; creators often draw on their own personality, appearance, and/or history for inspiration, since it's easy and convenient to write [[WriteWhatYouKnow what]] and [[WriteWhoYouKnow who]] you know, so the appearance of these doesn't automatically mean a Canon Sue. However, if the character that appears is very obviously an AuthorStandIn (especially AuthorStandIn, especially to such a degree that the character's back-story and the author's biography are practically interchangeable), interchangeable; [[AuthorTract believes in everything the creator believes]], believes]] and does everything the creator does ([[WishFulfillment or wants to do]]) and is absolutely correct and perfect in both, both; is over-idealized and perfect to a fault, fault; is disliked or disagreed with only by characters who are clearly shown to be stupid, mad, or evil; and/or (most importantly and required) seems as though gives the impression that the story exists only to further this one specific character them and them alone, ([[WeAreTeamCannonFodder most often to the detriment of any other characters present]], [[CantCatchUp who simply cannot measure up to]] [[CreatorsPet the author's clear favourite]]), you're in MarySue territory.
18th Mar '16 8:02:25 AM Goldfritha
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In general, Canon Sues are significantly less common than {{fanfiction}} Mary Sues, since most professional authors have more skill, talent and accumulated experience than the amateurs who write fanfiction, not to mention the help of professional editors. However, this means that when they do occur they are significantly more visible ([[MyImmortal who's going to remember the hastily typed out daydream of a 12 year old girl in a year?]]). Due to the author creating an entirely different template for the work of fiction, they can set up the rules of TheVerse that allow or disallow particular tropes or characteristics. As such, they can choose what CommonMarySueTraits are allowed, making it a bit harder to see when plot bias is in effect. However, they're hardly immune to this trend.

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In general, Canon Sues are significantly less common than {{fanfiction}} Mary Sues, since most professional authors have more skill, talent and accumulated experience than the amateurs who write fanfiction, not to mention the help of professional editors. However, this means that when they do occur they are significantly more visible ([[MyImmortal who's going to remember the hastily typed out daydream of a 12 year old girl in a year?]]). Due to the author creating an entirely different template for the work of fiction, they can set up the rules of TheVerse that allow or disallow particular tropes or characteristics. As such, they can choose what CommonMarySueTraits are allowed, making it a bit harder to see when plot bias is in effect. However, they're hardly immune to this trend.
trend. Nor is this a new element; Creator/GeorgeEliot's ''Literature/SillyNovelsByLadyNovelists'' castigates many original novels of her day for obvious Mary Sue traits (among other flaws).
14th Nov '15 2:57:59 AM Clarste
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In general, Canon Sues are significantly less common than {{fanfiction}} Mary Sues, since most professional authors have more skill, talent and accumulated experience than the amateurs who write fanfiction. However, this means that when they do occur they are significantly more visible ([[MyImmortal who's going to remember the hastily typed out daydream of a 12 year old girl in a year?]]). Due to the author creating an entirely different template for the work of fiction, they can set up the rules of TheVerse that allow or disallow particular tropes or characteristics. As such, they can choose what CommonMarySueTraits are allowed, making it a bit harder to see when plot bias is in effect. However, they're hardly immune to this trend.

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In general, Canon Sues are significantly less common than {{fanfiction}} Mary Sues, since most professional authors have more skill, talent and accumulated experience than the amateurs who write fanfiction.fanfiction, not to mention the help of professional editors. However, this means that when they do occur they are significantly more visible ([[MyImmortal who's going to remember the hastily typed out daydream of a 12 year old girl in a year?]]). Due to the author creating an entirely different template for the work of fiction, they can set up the rules of TheVerse that allow or disallow particular tropes or characteristics. As such, they can choose what CommonMarySueTraits are allowed, making it a bit harder to see when plot bias is in effect. However, they're hardly immune to this trend.
22nd Oct '15 6:36:38 AM eyebones
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->"''The next thing you need to do is create your main character, and since it's important to write who you know, the main character will obviously be ''you''; but while you are a repressed, socially retarded dullard who no one would ever honestly admit to liking, your author insertion character is a fantasy, so they will be a charismatic eccentric who is unconditionally loved by everyone, even while he's setting their dog on fire.''"
-->-- '''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''''' on ''GamingWebcomics''
21st Oct '15 6:59:30 PM Gideoncrawle
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->"''The next thing you need to do is create your main character, and since it's important to {{write who you know}}, the main character will obviously be ''you''; but while you are a repressed, socially retarded dullard who no one would ever honestly admit to liking, your author insertion character is a fantasy, so they will be [[LoveableRogue a charismatic eccentric]] who is unconditionally loved by everyone, even while he's setting their dog on fire.''"

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->"''The next thing you need to do is create your main character, and since it's important to {{write write who you know}}, know, the main character will obviously be ''you''; but while you are a repressed, socially retarded dullard who no one would ever honestly admit to liking, your author insertion character is a fantasy, so they will be [[LoveableRogue a charismatic eccentric]] eccentric who is unconditionally loved by everyone, even while he's setting their dog on fire.''"
7th Sep '15 2:15:50 AM eliaskelham
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->''When you read the book, it's like, "Edward Cullen was so beautiful I creamed myself!" I mean, every line is like that...I was just convinced that this woman is mad, she's completely mad, and she's in love with her own fictional creation.''
-->--'''Creator/RobertPattinson''' on [[{{Literature/Twilight}} Stephanie Meyer]]

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->''When ->"''The next thing you read the book, need to do is create your main character, and since it's like, "Edward Cullen was important to {{write who you know}}, the main character will obviously be ''you''; but while you are a repressed, socially retarded dullard who no one would ever honestly admit to liking, your author insertion character is a fantasy, so beautiful I creamed myself!" I mean, every line they will be [[LoveableRogue a charismatic eccentric]] who is like that...I was just convinced that this woman is mad, she's completely mad, and she's in love with her own fictional creation.''
-->--'''Creator/RobertPattinson'''
unconditionally loved by everyone, even while he's setting their dog on [[{{Literature/Twilight}} Stephanie Meyer]]
fire.''"
-->-- '''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''''' on ''GamingWebcomics''
30th Jan '15 10:54:38 AM johnnyfog
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->"''The next thing you need to do is create your main character, and since it's important to {{write who you know}}, the main character will obviously be ''you''; but while you are a repressed, socially retarded dullard who no one would ever honestly admit to liking, your author insertion character is a fantasy, so they will be [[LoveableRogue a charismatic eccentric]] who is unconditionally loved by everyone, even while he's setting their dog on fire.''"
-->-- '''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''''' on ''GamingWebcomics''

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->"''The next thing ->''When you need to do is create your main character, and since read the book, it's important to {{write who you know}}, the main character will obviously be ''you''; but while you are a repressed, socially retarded dullard who no one would ever honestly admit to liking, your author insertion character like, "Edward Cullen was so beautiful I creamed myself!" I mean, every line is a fantasy, so they will be [[LoveableRogue a charismatic eccentric]] who like that...I was just convinced that this woman is unconditionally loved by everyone, even while he's setting their dog mad, she's completely mad, and she's in love with her own fictional creation.''
-->--'''Creator/RobertPattinson'''
on fire.''"
-->-- '''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''''' on ''GamingWebcomics''
[[{{Literature/Twilight}} Stephanie Meyer]]
15th Dec '14 11:08:25 AM MiinU
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For the most blatant and infamous examples see CreatorsPet. The MagicalGirlfriend, {{Tsundere}} and YamatoNadeshiko, while occasionally possessing similar traits, are not usually viewed as such; they are seen more as targets of enticement instead of ones to emulate; whether they're ''still'' {{Canon Sue}}s is left to the viewer. Also see TheAce, which puts an idealized character in a supporting role in the story, often serving as a rival, a foil, a source of comedy, or as a mentor (or possibly just TheHeroOfAnotherStory). SuetifulAllAlong can also play a part as well.

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For the most blatant and infamous examples see CreatorsPet. The MagicalGirlfriend, {{Tsundere}} and YamatoNadeshiko, while occasionally possessing similar traits, are not usually viewed as such; they are seen more as targets of enticement instead of ones to emulate; whether they're ''still'' {{Canon Sue}}s is left to the viewer. Also see TheAce, which puts an idealized character in a supporting role in the story, often serving as a rival, a foil, a source of comedy, or as a mentor (or possibly just TheHeroOfAnotherStory).the HeroOfAnotherStory). SuetifulAllAlong can also play a part as well.
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