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24th Feb '17 9:46:46 PM Arawn999
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* ''ComicBook/SpiderMan2099'' Vol. 2 disregards everything that happened in Vol. 1 after Creator/PeterDavid left.
22nd Feb '17 10:15:44 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* ''Film/RockyBalboa'' has all previous ''Franchise/{{Rocky}}'' movies mentioned except for ''Film/RockyV'', and the film doesn't even mention any events from that movie. This is due to Creator/SylvesterStallone[='=]s disapproval of said movie as well as [[BrokenBase the disapproval of almost everyone who watched it]]. Though the next film ''Film/{{Creed}}'', does somewhat reference the film, indicating that it did happen, just that Rocky doesn't like talking about it.

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* ''Film/RockyBalboa'' has all previous ''Franchise/{{Rocky}}'' movies mentioned except for ''Film/RockyV'', and the film doesn't even mention any events from that movie. This is due to Creator/SylvesterStallone[='=]s disapproval of said movie as well as [[BrokenBase the disapproval of almost everyone who watched it]].it. Though the next film ''Film/{{Creed}}'', does somewhat reference the film, indicating that it did happen, just that Rocky doesn't like talking about it.
22nd Feb '17 10:08:44 AM CASCHero
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* ''Film/RockyBalboa'' has all previous ''Franchise/{{Rocky}}'' movies mentioned except for ''Film/RockyV'', and the film doesn't even mention any events from that movie. This is due to Creator/SylvesterStallone[='=]s disapproval of said movie as well as [[BrokenBase the disapproval of almost everyone who watched it]]. The film ''Film/{{Creed}}'' was essentially that film done right.

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* ''Film/RockyBalboa'' has all previous ''Franchise/{{Rocky}}'' movies mentioned except for ''Film/RockyV'', and the film doesn't even mention any events from that movie. This is due to Creator/SylvesterStallone[='=]s disapproval of said movie as well as [[BrokenBase the disapproval of almost everyone who watched it]]. The Though the next film ''Film/{{Creed}}'' was essentially ''Film/{{Creed}}'', does somewhat reference the film, indicating that film done right.it did happen, just that Rocky doesn't like talking about it.
22nd Feb '17 9:56:17 AM CASCHero
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* ''Film/RockyBalboa'' has all previous ''Franchise/{{Rocky}}'' movies mentioned except for ''Film/RockyV'', and the film doesn't even mention any events from that movie. This is due to Creator/SylvesterStallone[='=]s disapproval of said movie as well as [[BrokenBase the disapproval of almost everyone who watched it]].

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* ''Film/RockyBalboa'' has all previous ''Franchise/{{Rocky}}'' movies mentioned except for ''Film/RockyV'', and the film doesn't even mention any events from that movie. This is due to Creator/SylvesterStallone[='=]s disapproval of said movie as well as [[BrokenBase the disapproval of almost everyone who watched it]]. The film ''Film/{{Creed}}'' was essentially that film done right.



** For an example in which the fans and creators are in agreement, look no further than the episodes "It's A Wishful Life" and "Twistory". The first of these was so unpopular because it basically states, in defiance of all in- or out-of-universe logic, that Timmy's very existence makes the lives of everyone he knows worse, and it would be better if he were never born. The fanbase took offense at the extreme mean-spiritedness of the episode, and the writers have admitted that it was a mistake and consider it an OldShame because of the UnfortunateImplications.[[note]]It is also rumored that the episode was made against creator Butch Hartman's wishes, meaning that he never liked it at any point.[[/note]] For these reasons, it is never aired in reruns, and later episodes are much less harsh to Timmy. "Twistory" is also never aired in reruns, because in its zeal to be patriotic it wound up offending both Americans and British people, by saying that if American independence never happened, the world would never have advanced past the eighteenth century. It should come as no surprise whatsoever that people complained, and the writers apologized. Its canonicity is more complicated, though -- while Nickelodeon tries to forget the episode was ever made, a later episode ("Escape from Unwish Island") that mentions the events of this one, albeit obliquely, is well-regarded by the fans and still airs in reruns to this day.

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** For an example in which the fans and creators are in agreement, look no further than the episodes "It's A Wishful Life" and "Twistory". The first of these was so unpopular because it basically states, in defiance of all in- or out-of-universe logic, that Timmy's very existence makes the lives of everyone he knows worse, and it would be better if he were never born. The fanbase took offense at the extreme mean-spiritedness of the episode, and the writers have admitted that it was a mistake and consider it an OldShame because of the UnfortunateImplications.[[note]]It is also rumored that the episode was made against creator Butch Hartman's wishes, meaning that he never liked it at any point.[[/note]] For these reasons, it is never aired in reruns, and later episodes are much less harsh to Timmy. "Twistory" is also never aired in reruns, because in its zeal to be patriotic it wound up offending both Americans and British people, by saying that if American independence never happened, the world would never have advanced past the eighteenth century. It should come as no surprise whatsoever that people complained, and the writers apologized. Its canonicity is more complicated, though -- while Nickelodeon tries to forget the episode was ever made, a later episode ("Escape from Unwish Island") that mentions the events of this one, albeit obliquely, is well-regarded by the fans and still airs in reruns to this day.obliquely.
20th Feb '17 1:27:12 AM jormis29
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** Because no one's entirely sure if the Chaos God Malal is owned by Games Workshop or the comic book author who introduced him to the franchise, GW dropped all mention of him from their gamebooks to be on the safe side. He still gets a few references; for example there's a Chaos Space Marine warband called "Sons of Malice" that wears Malal's colours, the rulebook for the spinoff game ''Inquisitor'' includes a weapon very similar to the ones champions of Malal use in the list of daemon weapons, and he appears in one of the short story collections GW released, though he is know as "Malice" there.

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** Because no one's entirely sure if the Chaos God Malal is owned by Games Workshop or the comic book author who introduced him to the franchise, GW dropped all mention of him from their gamebooks to be on the safe side. He still gets a few references; for example there's a Chaos Space Marine warband called "Sons of Malice" that wears Malal's colours, the rulebook for the spinoff game ''Inquisitor'' ''TabletopGame/{{Inquisitor}}'' includes a weapon very similar to the ones champions of Malal use in the list of daemon weapons, and he appears in one of the short story collections GW released, though he is know as "Malice" there.
20th Feb '17 1:24:24 AM jormis29
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* The issue of Lord Soth from the ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'' novels, represents perhaps the unholy lovechild of Canon Discontinuity and ExecutiveMeddling. In the novel ''Knight of the Black Rose'', TSR took the famous ''Dragonlance'' character into ''TabletopGame/{{Ravenloft}}'', where he became a [[BlessedWithSuck Dark Lord]]. This did not sit well with one of the original authors of the ''Dragonlance'' series, Mr. Tracy Hickman who, according to rumor, demanded that TSR/Wizards of the Coast {{Retcon}} Soth's trip to Ravenloft, and [[KilledOffForReal killed off the character for good measure]]. And before dying, he repents of his crimes, regains his honor, and swears an oath to pursue redemption in his afterlife. This is a ''giant flaming TakeThat'' against ever putting him in ''Ravenloft'', as one of its conceits is that some people are simply so evil that they're beyond redemption - and its Dark Lords are those people (although TSR averted the discontinuity by publishing ''Spectre of the Black Rose'' which reconciles both viewpoints).

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* The issue of Lord Soth from the ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'' novels, represents perhaps the unholy lovechild of Canon Discontinuity and ExecutiveMeddling. In the novel ''Knight of the Black Rose'', TSR Creator/{{TSR}} took the famous ''Dragonlance'' character into ''TabletopGame/{{Ravenloft}}'', where he became a [[BlessedWithSuck Dark Lord]]. This did not sit well with one of the original authors of the ''Dragonlance'' series, Mr. Tracy Hickman who, according to rumor, demanded that TSR/Wizards of the Coast TSR[=/=]Creator/WizardsOfTheCoast {{Retcon}} Soth's trip to Ravenloft, and [[KilledOffForReal killed off the character for good measure]]. And before dying, he repents of his crimes, regains his honor, and swears an oath to pursue redemption in his afterlife. This is a ''giant flaming TakeThat'' against ever putting him in ''Ravenloft'', as one of its conceits is that some people are simply so evil that they're beyond redemption - and its Dark Lords are those people (although TSR averted the discontinuity by publishing ''Spectre of the Black Rose'' which reconciles both viewpoints).



** Writers for TSR went so far as to mention explicitly in a reboot continuity guide for the ''World of TabletopGame/{{Greyhawk}}'' campaign setting that ''Greyhawk Ruins'' was to be considered the [[WordOfGod official]] version of Castle Greyhawk and not the [[DudeNotFunny pretty dated and unfunny]] parody module ''Castle Greyhawk''.

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** Writers for TSR Creator/{{TSR}} went so far as to mention explicitly in a reboot continuity guide for the ''World of TabletopGame/{{Greyhawk}}'' campaign setting that ''Greyhawk Ruins'' was to be considered the [[WordOfGod official]] version of Castle Greyhawk and not the [[DudeNotFunny pretty dated and unfunny]] unfunny parody module ''Castle Greyhawk''.
18th Feb '17 12:30:31 PM MyFinalEdits
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* Similarly, Music/JeanMichelJarre started his discography with the 1976 album ''Music/{{Oxygene}}'' for decades. Actually, he had had several releases the previous five years already, including the album ''Deserted Palace'' (1972) and the soundtrack album ''Les Granges Brûlées'' (1973), but also singles with more or less corny music that Jarre released under a number of pseudonyms in order to not be associated with that stuff. Since none of this material had been officially reissued, and much of it still hasn't, the original vinyl releases became sought-after and highly expensive collector's items, and even what bootlegs were made of them cost a fortune.

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* Similarly, Music/JeanMichelJarre Music/JeanMichelJarre:
** The musician
started his discography with the 1976 album ''Music/{{Oxygene}}'' for decades. Actually, In fact, he had had several releases the previous five years already, including the album ''Deserted Palace'' (1972) and the soundtrack album ''Les Granges Brûlées'' (1973), but also singles with more or less corny music that Jarre released under a number of pseudonyms in order to not be associated with that stuff. Since none of this material had been officially reissued, and much of it still hasn't, the original vinyl releases became sought-after and highly expensive collector's items, and even what bootlegs were made of them cost a fortune.
18th Feb '17 12:22:23 PM EBsessed
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Not to be confused with ExiledFromContinuity, when it's a ''character'' or a specific element or elements of a universe that are declared off limits for use, be it in-universe or in another version of that universe, for legal reasons or otherwise (although whether they are simply made non-canonical or technically still exist, but can't be used depends on the situation). Compare SchrodingersCanon, where a work's status as canon has yet to be determined, and RetCanon, where something that was intended as non-canon becomes canon.

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Not to be confused with ExiledFromContinuity, when it's a ''character'' or a specific element or elements of a universe that are declared off limits for use, be it in-universe or in another version of that universe, for legal reasons or otherwise (although whether they are simply made non-canonical or technically still exist, but can't be used depends on the situation). Compare SchrodingersCanon, where a work's status as canon canonical has yet to be determined, and RetCanon, where something that was intended as non-canon non-canonical becomes canon.
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* An interesting deal for ''Anime/TenchiMuyo'': the OVA special "Space Police Mihoshi's Space Adventure", which introduced Mihoshi's partner Kiyone (and ''Anime/PrettySammy'', but that was because of Mihoshi's story) was made non-canonical by the series' creator, yet it was used as a canon point for another creator's stories using the ''Tenchi'' cast.

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* An interesting deal for ''Anime/TenchiMuyo'': the OVA special "Space Police Mihoshi's Space Adventure", which introduced Mihoshi's partner Kiyone (and ''Anime/PrettySammy'', but that was because of Mihoshi's story) was made non-canonical by the series' creator, yet it was used as a canon canonical point for another creator's stories using the ''Tenchi'' cast.



* ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' has been in debate on whether it is canon to ''Anime/DragonBall'' and ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' as there are many people who didn't like the series. The new series ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', the first ''Dragon Ball'' show covering new material since ''GT'', is expected by many to ignore this story in favor of one that ties into ''Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods'' and ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF''.

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* ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' has been in debate on whether it is canon canonical to ''Anime/DragonBall'' and ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' as there are many people who didn't like the series. The new series ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', the first ''Dragon Ball'' show covering new material since ''GT'', is expected by many to ignore this story in favor of one that ties into ''Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods'' and ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF''.



** In ''Captain America'' #225, Steve Gerber created a new origin for Steve Rogers, revealing that he was from the Midwest and had an older brother who died at Pearl Harbor. The story was stricken from canon by later writers, with Gerber's origin {{Handwave}}d away as false memories implanted by the government in case Steve were ever captured.

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** In ''Captain America'' #225, Steve Gerber created a new origin for Steve Rogers, revealing that he was from the Midwest and had an older brother who died at Pearl Harbor. The story was stricken from canon canonicity by later writers, with Gerber's origin {{Handwave}}d away as false memories implanted by the government in case Steve were ever captured.



* The first arc of Reginald Hudlin's ''BlackPanther'' wasn't meant to be canon at first, which is why the book gave a radically reworked origin to Klaw (making him a {{Cyborg}} instead of a being of living sound), and then had him KilledOffForReal. Klaw has since shown up again in the Marvel Universe with his classic appearance and no references to his "death."

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* The first arc of Reginald Hudlin's ''BlackPanther'' wasn't meant to be canon canonical at first, which is why the book gave a radically reworked origin to Klaw (making him a {{Cyborg}} instead of a being of living sound), and then had him KilledOffForReal. Klaw has since shown up again in the Marvel Universe with his classic appearance and no references to his "death."



* Played with in regards to ''Batman: Son of the Bat'': The story was originally canon and suggested the origin of Ibn al Xu'ffasch, son of Batman and Talia al Ghul from ''ComicBooks/KingdomCome''. Then the story was declared an {{Elseworlds}} story, removing it from continuity. Then it was brought back to canon, but {{retcon}}ned so that Batman and Talia's consensual encounter was changed to Bruce being drugged and raped by Talia, in order to produce a son, Damian.
* This has occured to Betty Kane as ComicBook/{{Batgirl}}. While it's true Barbara Gordon was the first Batgirl to have all the main Batgirl traits, the first Batgirl (or "Bat-Girl" as it was spelled then) was ComicBook/{{Batwoman}}'s pre-Crisis KidSidekick Betty Kane. When Crisis hit DC decided to {{retcon}} Betty's existence as Batgirl away. Barbara is chronologically the ''first'' Batgirl and Betty never even took up the mantle. Instead, Bette (as she was renamed) became the superhero Flamebird. Bette is still technically a part of the "Bat Family" but [[FanonDiscontinuity fans look her over]] and in canon this is rarely brought up.

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* Played with in regards to ''Batman: Son of the Bat'': The story was originally canon canonical and suggested the origin of Ibn al Xu'ffasch, son of Batman and Talia al Ghul from ''ComicBooks/KingdomCome''. Then the story was declared an {{Elseworlds}} story, removing it from continuity. Then it was brought back to canon, canonicity, but {{retcon}}ned so that Batman and Talia's consensual encounter was changed to Bruce being drugged and raped by Talia, in order to produce a son, Damian.
* This has occured to Betty Kane as ComicBook/{{Batgirl}}. While it's true Barbara Gordon was the first Batgirl to have all the main Batgirl traits, the first Batgirl (or "Bat-Girl" as it was spelled then) was ComicBook/{{Batwoman}}'s pre-Crisis KidSidekick Betty Kane. When Crisis hit DC decided to {{retcon}} Betty's existence as Batgirl away. Barbara is chronologically the ''first'' Batgirl and Betty never even took up the mantle. Instead, Bette (as she was renamed) became the superhero Flamebird. Bette is still technically a part of the "Bat Family" but [[FanonDiscontinuity fans look her over]] and in canon canonicity this is rarely brought up.



** John Byrne rebooted the entire franchise with his run, and nothing before is even remotely canon. Fan reception was ''not'' positive, to say the least, which led to...
** John Byrne's run specifically not being considered canon by the subsequent creative teams, but everything ''it'' retconned out is indeed still canon. Keith Giffen's run even brings back Crazy Jane from the Grant Morrison run, who didn't exist in the Byrne run. Unfortunately...

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** John Byrne rebooted the entire franchise with his run, and nothing before is even remotely canon.canonical. Fan reception was ''not'' positive, to say the least, which led to...
** John Byrne's run specifically not being considered canon canonical by the subsequent creative teams, but everything ''it'' retconned out is indeed still canon.canonical. Keith Giffen's run even brings back Crazy Jane from the Grant Morrison run, who didn't exist in the Byrne run. Unfortunately...



** The Doom Patrol, ''including Niles Caulder'' later appear in Geoff Johns' ''Justice League'' run and ''Forever Evil''. ''League'' featured an older Niles Caulder than the one in ''Ravagers'', and he is indeed in charge of the Doom Patrol. However, fan reaction to the portrayal of the team was... mixed, to say the least, Caulder was portrayed as an absolute bully to the team, whereas he was previously a manipulator who at least ''pretended'' that he cared about them and their feelings. Eventually, this version would be regarded as not canon as well, with...
** Gerard Way's Doom Patrol, the debut title of the ComicBook/YoungAnimal imprint! At first, it seemed like Way's DP would be a complete ContinuityReboot, in a similar vein to Byrne's. However, it is later revealed that everything except the Byrne and New 52 stuff is canon, as the characters make specific reference to events from the Grant Morrison and Keith Giffen runs.

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** The Doom Patrol, ''including Niles Caulder'' later appear in Geoff Johns' ''Justice League'' run and ''Forever Evil''. ''League'' featured an older Niles Caulder than the one in ''Ravagers'', and he is indeed in charge of the Doom Patrol. However, fan reaction to the portrayal of the team was... mixed, to say the least, Caulder was portrayed as an absolute bully to the team, whereas he was previously a manipulator who at least ''pretended'' that he cared about them and their feelings. Eventually, this version would be regarded as not canon canonical as well, with...
** Gerard Way's Doom Patrol, the debut title of the ComicBook/YoungAnimal imprint! At first, it seemed like Way's DP would be a complete ContinuityReboot, in a similar vein to Byrne's. However, it is later revealed that everything except the Byrne and New 52 stuff is canon, canonical, as the characters make specific reference to events from the Grant Morrison and Keith Giffen runs.



** The unpublished stories ''The Heart of Erzulie'' and ''Per Fine Ounce'' are considered non-canon by the publisher. Some stories are considered parody or pastiche and do not count: ''Bond Strikes Camp'', ''Holmes Meets 007'', ''License to Hug'', ''Some Are Born Great'', ''Toadstool'', and ''Your Deal, Mr. Bond''. ''James Bond: The Authorized Biography of 007'' establishes James Bond as German and is likely an AlternateContinuity. Comics and novelizations of ''WesternAnimation/JamesBondJr'' are not considered canon.

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** The unpublished stories ''The Heart of Erzulie'' and ''Per Fine Ounce'' are considered non-canon non-canonical by the publisher. Some stories are considered parody or pastiche and do not count: ''Bond Strikes Camp'', ''Holmes Meets 007'', ''License to Hug'', ''Some Are Born Great'', ''Toadstool'', and ''Your Deal, Mr. Bond''. ''James Bond: The Authorized Biography of 007'' establishes James Bond as German and is likely an AlternateContinuity. Comics and novelizations of ''WesternAnimation/JamesBondJr'' are not considered canon.canonical.



* ''Series/{{Galactica 1980}}'', the ContestedSequel of the original ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|1978}}'', was long considered mostly noncanonical by fans. When the franchise had its ContinuityReboot in the 2000s, several novels and comics set in the original continuity were released. Those works made it official that the events of ''Galactica 1980'' never happened - even though Galactica 1980 was actually added to the original series in its syndication run.

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* ''Series/{{Galactica 1980}}'', the ContestedSequel of the original ''Series/{{Battlestar Galactica|1978}}'', was long considered mostly noncanonical non-canonical by fans. When the franchise had its ContinuityReboot in the 2000s, several novels and comics set in the original continuity were released. Those works made it official that the events of ''Galactica 1980'' never happened - even though Galactica 1980 was actually added to the original series in its syndication run.



** There is an urban legend among fans that ''Series/StarTrekVoyager''[='=]s "Threshold" was so badly regarded that it was explicitly stated to be non-canonical by the producers while the show was still in production and later directly contradicted on-screen. In fact, the on-screen contradiction (where character Tom Paris states that he has never navigated a "transwarp conduit") is phrased to avoid contradicting the episode (in which the same character makes a transwarp *flight*, with no "conduit" in sight), and producers don't generally dabble in declaring things canon or non-canon, except by altering what is seen on the screen.

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** There is an urban legend among fans that ''Series/StarTrekVoyager''[='=]s "Threshold" was so badly regarded that it was explicitly stated to be non-canonical by the producers while the show was still in production and later directly contradicted on-screen. In fact, the on-screen contradiction (where character Tom Paris states that he has never navigated a "transwarp conduit") is phrased to avoid contradicting the episode (in which the same character makes a transwarp *flight*, with no "conduit" in sight), and producers don't generally dabble in declaring things canon canonical or non-canon, non-canonical, except by altering what is seen on the screen.



*** On a broader scope, the show makes no acknowledgement that ''Super Jeopardy!'' ever existed. This was a one-time championship series of games from 1990 which aired on Creator/{{ABC}} (''Jeopardy!'', like sister show ''Wheel'', normally airs in first-run syndication) and, uniquely to the Trebek era, invited back a contestant from the original 1964-74 Art Fleming-hosted version. Although this incarnation produced some rather steep winnings, none of them are considered ''Jeopardy!'' canon (possibly in part due to the one-time nature of the event, its radically inflated clue values, or both).

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*** On a broader scope, the show makes no acknowledgement that ''Super Jeopardy!'' ever existed. This was a one-time championship series of games from 1990 which aired on Creator/{{ABC}} (''Jeopardy!'', like sister show ''Wheel'', normally airs in first-run syndication) and, uniquely to the Trebek era, invited back a contestant from the original 1964-74 Art Fleming-hosted version. Although this incarnation produced some rather steep winnings, none of them are considered ''Jeopardy!'' canon canonicity (possibly in part due to the one-time nature of the event, its radically inflated clue values, or both).



* This mixed with OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope has brought about the final resolution to the Unseen debacle that has plagued ''TabletopGame/{{Battletech}}'' since at least 1995. In June, 2015, Catalyst Game Labs began phasing in new designs for the iconic Unseen designs that cannot be legally used or shown [[note]] Technically, the ''artwork'' for the 'mechs not derived from ''SuperDimensionFortressMacross'' (which is totally off-limits) can be used, but everyone involved doesn't want another headache with art that wasn't made in-house by FASA/Fanpro/Catalyst[[/note]], ones that are evocative of the originals but different enough to be considered legally original works. Catalyst has officially stated that the original "Unseen" art is no longer canon.

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* This mixed with OurLawyersAdvisedThisTrope has brought about the final resolution to the Unseen debacle that has plagued ''TabletopGame/{{Battletech}}'' since at least 1995. In June, 2015, Catalyst Game Labs began phasing in new designs for the iconic Unseen designs that cannot be legally used or shown [[note]] Technically, the ''artwork'' for the 'mechs not derived from ''SuperDimensionFortressMacross'' (which is totally off-limits) can be used, but everyone involved doesn't want another headache with art that wasn't made in-house by FASA/Fanpro/Catalyst[[/note]], ones that are evocative of the originals but different enough to be considered legally original works. Catalyst has officially stated that the original "Unseen" art is no longer canon.canonical.



** ''VideoGame/HyruleWarriors'' is meant to be non-canon from the get-go, taking place in a world separate from the timeline of the series, although [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime the]] [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess various]] [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword eras]] from the main series are visited during the game's story.
* [[http://www.insomniacgames.com/community/showthread.php?56339-Did-Insomniac-Ever-Outright-Confirm-SM-and-SAC-Were-Non-Canon&p=1421220&viewfull=1#post1421220 Insomniac Games confirmed]] that the two PSP Franchise/RatchetAndClank spinoffs, ''Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters'' and ''Secret Agent Clank'' (which were developed by High Impact Games instead of Insomniac), are non-canon to the main games. ''[[VideoGame/RatchetAndClankIntoTheNexus Into the Nexus]]'' likewise ignores mentioning both games in the Insomniac Museum.
-->"We have always treated them as non-canon while making our games. However, he have done joke nods to them."

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** ''VideoGame/HyruleWarriors'' is meant to be non-canon non-canonical from the get-go, taking place in a world separate from the timeline of the series, although [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime the]] [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess various]] [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword eras]] from the main series are visited during the game's story.
* [[http://www.insomniacgames.com/community/showthread.php?56339-Did-Insomniac-Ever-Outright-Confirm-SM-and-SAC-Were-Non-Canon&p=1421220&viewfull=1#post1421220 Insomniac Games confirmed]] that the two PSP Franchise/RatchetAndClank spinoffs, ''Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters'' and ''Secret Agent Clank'' (which were developed by High Impact Games instead of Insomniac), are non-canon non-canonical to the main games. ''[[VideoGame/RatchetAndClankIntoTheNexus Into the Nexus]]'' likewise ignores mentioning both games in the Insomniac Museum.
-->"We have always treated them as non-canon non-canonical while making our games. However, he have done joke nods to them."



** The ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogPromoComic was originally the canon western backstory for Sonic and Robotnik, [[AllThereInTheManual according to the original]] [[http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_Bible US Sonic Bible]]. Once VideoGame/SonicAdventure retconned the western branch of the series to follow the same continuity of the Japanese storyline, this old backstory was knocked out of canon forever (although given the games never acknowledged this old backstory in the first place, its unclear if it was [[ContinuityDrift ever truly established as western canon in the first place]]).
** Kevin Eva, who was the community manager of Sega Europe in the mid-2000s, [[https://board.sonicstadium.org/topic/19847-segas-secret-sonic-bible-that-well-probably-never-see-to-mars/?page=10#comment-964735 stated]] that VideoGame/SonicChronicles is non-canon to the main games. The Ken Penders lawsuit with Archie and Sega, which involved using substitutes of his own characters from the comics in the game, makes it very unlikely that elements from the spinoff will ever pop up again.
** Eva also added that Sega and Sonic Team like to play fast and loose with whats considered canon or not in the series, and that whats considered canon or not can and has frequently changed over time.

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** The ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogPromoComic was originally the canon canonical western backstory for Sonic and Robotnik, [[AllThereInTheManual according to the original]] [[http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_Bible US Sonic Bible]]. Once VideoGame/SonicAdventure retconned the western branch of the series to follow the same continuity of the Japanese storyline, this old backstory was knocked out of canon canonicity forever (although given the games never acknowledged this old backstory in the first place, its unclear if it was [[ContinuityDrift ever truly established as western canon canonicity in the first place]]).
** Kevin Eva, who was the community manager of Sega Europe in the mid-2000s, [[https://board.sonicstadium.org/topic/19847-segas-secret-sonic-bible-that-well-probably-never-see-to-mars/?page=10#comment-964735 stated]] that VideoGame/SonicChronicles is non-canon non-canonical to the main games. The Ken Penders lawsuit with Archie and Sega, which involved using substitutes of his own characters from the comics in the game, makes it very unlikely that elements from the spinoff will ever pop up again.
** Eva also added that Sega and Sonic Team like to play fast and loose with whats considered canon canonical or not in the series, and that whats considered canon canonical or not can and has frequently changed over time.



** It's a general rule that the canonical game is the third game if a third version is made (''[[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Crystal]]'', ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Emerald]]'', ''[[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Platinum]]'', etc). If a previous game is referenced to, [[CuttingOffTheBranches it's always the third version]], which is a mixture of the original two with changes. The exception is ''Yellow'' (a RecursiveAdaptation of the [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} anime]]), which is treated as non-canon in contrast with the other Gen I games, though it ''is'' [[ThirdOptionAdaptation the basis for]] [[spoiler:Red's team in Gen II, the Gen IV remakes, the Pokémon World Tournament in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 Black 2/White 2]]'', and ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'']]. Also of note is that ''Yellow'' wasn't originally a third version in Japan; it was actually the ''[[OddballInTheSeries fourth]]'' version[[note]]''Blue'', which has the same story as ''Red'' and ''Green'' and was used as the basis for the international ''Red'' and ''Blue'', was the third version there.[[/note]]. However, since there hasn't been a third version since ''Platinum'', its possible that the rule of "third version supersedes the other games in a given generation" may not be applied any longer.

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** It's a general rule that the canonical game is the third game if a third version is made (''[[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Crystal]]'', ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Emerald]]'', ''[[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Platinum]]'', etc). If a previous game is referenced to, [[CuttingOffTheBranches it's always the third version]], which is a mixture of the original two with changes. The exception is ''Yellow'' (a RecursiveAdaptation of the [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} anime]]), which is treated as non-canon non-canonical in contrast with the other Gen I games, though it ''is'' [[ThirdOptionAdaptation the basis for]] [[spoiler:Red's team in Gen II, the Gen IV remakes, the Pokémon World Tournament in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 Black 2/White 2]]'', and ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'']]. Also of note is that ''Yellow'' wasn't originally a third version in Japan; it was actually the ''[[OddballInTheSeries fourth]]'' version[[note]]''Blue'', which has the same story as ''Red'' and ''Green'' and was used as the basis for the international ''Red'' and ''Blue'', was the third version there.[[/note]]. However, since there hasn't been a third version since ''Platinum'', its possible that the rule of "third version supersedes the other games in a given generation" may not be applied any longer.



* ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'': Set in an AlternateContinuity to the ''Franchise/StarTrek'' ''[[Franchise/StarTrekNovelverse novelverse]]'', both are non-canon to the show. Elements of the 2009 reboot are ExiledFromContinuity.

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* ''VideoGame/StarTrekOnline'': Set in an AlternateContinuity to the ''Franchise/StarTrek'' ''[[Franchise/StarTrekNovelverse novelverse]]'', both are non-canon non-canonical to the show. Elements of the 2009 reboot are ExiledFromContinuity.



* The super-deformed shorts from ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' are non-canon for obvious reasons.

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* The super-deformed shorts from ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' are non-canon non-canonical for obvious reasons.



* Referred to explicitly in the crossover between ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' and ''WesternAnimation/UncleGrandpa''. Uncle Grandpa outright states to Steven (and the audience) that "None of this is canon".[[note]]but this is! BOOM[[/note]]

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* Referred to explicitly in the crossover between ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' and ''WesternAnimation/UncleGrandpa''. Uncle Grandpa outright states to Steven (and the audience) that "None of this is canon". [sic] [[note]]but this is! BOOM[[/note]]
18th Feb '17 4:09:48 AM MidnightMan
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* ''Autobahn'' is Music/{{Kraftwerk}}'s first album officially, that is. [[OldShame The not-too-electronic ones made before it]], ''Kraftwerk'', ''Kraftwerk 2'' and ''Ralf und Florian'', seem to not exist nowadays. Of course, they were made, but when Kraftwerk went fully electronic, Ralf Hütter disowned them, and they've never been reissued.
* Similarly, Music/JeanMichelJarre started his discography with the 1976 album ''Music/{{Oxygene}}'' for decades. Actually, he had had several releases the previous five years already, including the album ''Deserted Palace'' (1972) and the soundtrack album ''Les Granges Brûlées'' (1973), but also singles with more or less corny music that Jarre released under a number of pseudonyms in order to not be associated with that stuff. Since none of this material had been officially reissued, and much of it still hasn't, the original vinyl releases became sought-after and highly expensive collector's items, and even what bootlegs were made of them cost a fortune.
** After Jarre and his long-time publisher Francis Dreyfus who still owned Jarre's entire back catalog went separate ways, Dreyfus re-released ''Les Granges Brûlées'' 30 years after its original release to cash in on Jarre's older material and the fans longing for it.
** Eventually, Jarre himself, now in possession of his own music again after Dreyfus' passing, released a double compilation album named ''Essentials & Rarities'' with one CD containing a selecton of pre-''Music/{{Oxygene}}'' rarities including both sides of Jarre's rare first single, ''La Cage[=/=]Erosmachine'', as well as the previously unreleased 1969 recording "Happiness Is A Sad Song".
16th Feb '17 9:02:44 PM Pinokio
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** In ''Comicbook/IncredibleHulk'' #269-287, the ''Rampaging Hulk'' stories were retconned into being techno-art movies by the Krylorian Bereet.
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