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29th Nov '16 8:10:35 PM PaulA
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** In her awesome expanded universe novel ''[[Literature/{{Rihannsu}} The Romulan Way]]'', Creator/DianeDuane suggests that a more accurate translation of Vulcan "logic" is "reality-truth" which, like a lot of the things Duane wrote, makes a bit more sense than the official line. Vulcans seem to have a very high estimation of truth and a distaste for untruth, but are willing to play fast and loose with the definition of a lie by proceeding according to the letter of what was said but not the spirit. They'll lie if they think it's really necessary.

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** In her awesome expanded universe novel ''[[Literature/{{Rihannsu}} The Romulan Way]]'', ''Literature/TheRomulanWay'', Creator/DianeDuane suggests that a more accurate translation of Vulcan "logic" is "reality-truth" which, like a lot of the things Duane wrote, makes a bit more sense than the official line. Vulcans seem to have a very high estimation of truth and a distaste for untruth, but are willing to play fast and loose with the definition of a lie by proceeding according to the letter of what was said but not the spirit. They'll lie if they think it's really necessary.
29th Nov '16 7:43:41 PM StarSword
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* Played with in ''Literature/StarTrekFederation''. Vulcans as a rule do not lie, which is not the same thing as being ''unable'' to lie, as a convalescent Jim Kirk finds out when playing poker with Spock and Sarek: the two state that "lying", i.e. bluffing, is part of the game and therefore acceptable in context.



** It's more that Spock ''implies'' his ears off, really...Likewise, Vulcans in general (including Spock) are masters LoopholeAbuse and SuspiciouslySpecificDenial. In ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathofKhan'', Spock invokes Starfleet regulations about not transmitting uncoded messages on an open channel during a combat situation to explain his use of "exaggeration" in a communication with Kirk that Kahn was most certainly listening in on.

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** It's more that Spock ''implies'' his ears off, really...Likewise, Vulcans in general (including Spock) are masters of LoopholeAbuse and SuspiciouslySpecificDenial. In ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathofKhan'', Spock invokes Starfleet regulations about not transmitting uncoded messages on an open channel during a combat situation to explain his use of "exaggeration" in a communication with Kirk that Kahn was most certainly listening in on.
16th Oct '16 5:45:04 AM JackG
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* Fictus, a parody of TheSpock in the short-lived sci-fi comedy ''Series/{{Quark}}''. As he's an emotionless human plant, he simply doesn't see the point in sparing feelings that he doesn't have himself.

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* Fictus, Ficus, a parody of TheSpock in the short-lived sci-fi comedy ''Series/{{Quark}}''. As he's an emotionless human plant, he simply doesn't see the point in sparing feelings that he doesn't have himself.
16th Oct '16 5:43:11 AM JackG
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* The [[Series/TheTwilightZone1959 Twilight Zone]] episode "To Tell The Truth" features a car that forces its buyer to tell the whole truth, even when doing so would be detrimental.
* Fictus, a parody of TheSpock in the short-lived sci-fi comedy ''Series/{{Quark}}''. As he's an emotionless human plant, he simply doesn't see the point in sparing feelings that he doesn't have himself.



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* The [[Series/TheTwilightZone1959 Twilight Zone]] episode "To Tell The Truth" features a car that forces its buyer to tell the whole truth, even when doing so would be detrimental.
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11th Oct '16 8:25:13 PM PaulA
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* Yorick (yes, that [[AlasPoorYorick Yorick]]) in ''The Skull of Truth'' from Creator/BruceCoville's ''Literature/MagicShop'' series was "blessed" with the inability to lie. This led him to become a jester, the only position in which one could tell the king the truth and get away with it. It was implied this also led to his painful death, after which he became the title skull.

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* Yorick (yes, that [[AlasPoorYorick Yorick]]) in ''The Skull of Truth'' from Creator/BruceCoville's ''Literature/MagicShop'' series ''Literature/TheSkullOfTruth'' by Creator/BruceCoville was "blessed" with the inability to lie. This led him to become a jester, the only position in which one could tell the king the truth and get away with it. It was implied this also led to his painful death, after which he became the title skull.
5th Oct '16 10:23:34 AM VVK
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* {{Deconstructed}} (yet the deconstruction is PlayedForLaughs) in ''SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3730 strip 3730]] with Pinocchio. Since his nose would grow if he were to tell a direct lie, he figures out every way to get around saying things that actually mean anything, and ceases to interact with the truth in any way. This leads to his becoming a celebrated politician, but it also makes him unable to tell the truth to himself. On his deathbed, he says "None of it ever meant anything to me" -- and observes that his nose doesn't grow.
5th Oct '16 9:59:54 AM VVK
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* In ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' some spells that enforce truth. If this troper recalls correctly, the "Zone of Truth" spell prevents anyone in the target area from lying while the spell lasts, but it does not compel people to answer questions.

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* In ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' some spells that enforce truth. If this troper recalls correctly, the ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''
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"Zone of Truth" spell prevents anyone in the target area from lying while the spell lasts, but it does not compel people to answer questions.
5th Oct '16 9:31:33 AM VVK
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* {{Deconstructed}} (yet the deconstruction is PlayedForLaughs) in ''SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3730 strip 3730]] with Pinocchio. Since his nose would grow if he were to tell a direct lie, he figures out every way to get around saying things that actually mean anything, and ceases to interact with the truth in any way. This leads to his becoming a celebrated politician. However, on his deathbed, he says "None of it ever meant anything to me" -- and observes that his nose doesn't grow.

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* {{Deconstructed}} (yet the deconstruction is PlayedForLaughs) in ''SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3730 strip 3730]] with Pinocchio. Since his nose would grow if he were to tell a direct lie, he figures out every way to get around saying things that actually mean anything, and ceases to interact with the truth in any way. This leads to his becoming a celebrated politician. However, on politician, but it also makes him unable to tell the truth to himself. On his deathbed, he says "None of it ever meant anything to me" -- and observes that his nose doesn't grow.
5th Oct '16 9:29:30 AM VVK
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* {{Deconstructed}} in ''SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3730 strip 3730]] with Pinocchio. Since his nose would grow if he were to tell a direct lie, he figures out every way to get around saying things that actually mean anything, and ceases to interact with the truth in any way. This leads to his becoming a celebrated politician. However, on his deathbed, he says "None of it ever meant anything to me" -- and observes that his nose doesn't grow.

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* {{Deconstructed}} (yet the deconstruction is PlayedForLaughs) in ''SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3730 strip 3730]] with Pinocchio. Since his nose would grow if he were to tell a direct lie, he figures out every way to get around saying things that actually mean anything, and ceases to interact with the truth in any way. This leads to his becoming a celebrated politician. However, on his deathbed, he says "None of it ever meant anything to me" -- and observes that his nose doesn't grow.
5th Oct '16 9:28:15 AM VVK
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* {{Deconstructed}} in ''SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'' [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3730 strip 3730]] with Pinocchio. Since his nose would grow if he were to tell a direct lie, he figures out every way to get around saying things that actually mean anything, and ceases to interact with the truth in any way. This leads to his becoming a celebrated politician. However, on his deathbed, he says "None of it ever meant anything to me" -- and observes that his nose doesn't grow.
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