History Main / CallThatAFormation

12th Jun '16 11:38:33 AM Kakai
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* In ''Film/RobinHood2010'', you see a line of defenders form a spear wall behind their gate. when the enemy horses drive through...they're gone. in other battles, you see French soldiers make a few thin lines, but they dissolve before the enemy is within striking distance at no provocation. so, there were formations, but they never got used.

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* In ''Film/RobinHood2010'', you see a line of defenders form a spear wall behind their gate. when the enemy horses drive through...they're gone. in other battles, you see French soldiers make a few thin lines, but they dissolve before the enemy is within striking distance at no provocation. so, So, there were formations, but they never got used.
* In ''Film/WarCraft2016'', most of attacks humans suffer are surprise ones, so most of the time, there are no formations to speak of. Subverted when Callan manages to organize his men into a small [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testudo_formation testudo]] (Roman tortoise), which proves highly effective against larger and stronger orcs.
7th Jun '16 7:12:49 PM Doug86
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** During WorldWar2, bombers breaking formation faced almost certain destruction, as bomber formations were designed so that bombers in same formation protected others in the same formation (and whole formations protected other formations). A single bomber out of formation, on the other hand, could be chased down and destroyed. It was a bad idea for fighters to stick too closely to a formation, on the other hand. Early on, Allied fighters suffered because they were trained to fight in tight V formations of three fighters each, since it was difficult to keep the formation up in high speed maneuvers and pilots were distracted by trying to fight while maintaining formation. The German ''schwarm'' formation, adaptations of which were adopted by everyone in a few years, offered the advantage of not being so strict.

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** During WorldWar2, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, bombers breaking formation faced almost certain destruction, as bomber formations were designed so that bombers in same formation protected others in the same formation (and whole formations protected other formations). A single bomber out of formation, on the other hand, could be chased down and destroyed. It was a bad idea for fighters to stick too closely to a formation, on the other hand. Early on, Allied fighters suffered because they were trained to fight in tight V formations of three fighters each, since it was difficult to keep the formation up in high speed maneuvers and pilots were distracted by trying to fight while maintaining formation. The German ''schwarm'' formation, adaptations of which were adopted by everyone in a few years, offered the advantage of not being so strict.
7th Jun '16 2:46:25 PM Morgenthaler
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* Mostly averted in ''TheWarlordChronicles'', a realistic telling of the [[KingArthur Arthurian mythos]] from the point of view of a warrior who starts off as an ordinary spearman and later becomes one of Arthur's lieutenants. Fighting in a shield wall and the need to keep it tight are discussed at length, as are the consequences when formation isn't kept or a group of soldiers get cut off from the shield wall. However there are a few occasions where a maddened charge that completely breaks formation destroys the opponent's shield wall, and there are groups like the Blackshields, (a group of Irish [[TheBerserker berserkers and raiders]]) whose strategy consists entirely of charging at opponents while screaming at the top of their lungs and slaughtering anyone who stands in their way. As the Blackshields are ancient Celts, that's simply TruthInTelevision.

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* Mostly averted in ''TheWarlordChronicles'', ''Literature/TheWarlordChronicles'', a realistic telling of the [[KingArthur Arthurian mythos]] from the point of view of a warrior who starts off as an ordinary spearman and later becomes one of Arthur's lieutenants. Fighting in a shield wall and the need to keep it tight are discussed at length, as are the consequences when formation isn't kept or a group of soldiers get cut off from the shield wall. However there are a few occasions where a maddened charge that completely breaks formation destroys the opponent's shield wall, and there are groups like the Blackshields, (a group of Irish [[TheBerserker berserkers and raiders]]) whose strategy consists entirely of charging at opponents while screaming at the top of their lungs and slaughtering anyone who stands in their way. As the Blackshields are ancient Celts, that's simply TruthInTelevision.
20th Apr '16 6:25:56 PM Pseudoname
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[[caption-width-right:350: Sure he's completely exposed, but [[PlotArmor he has a name.]]]]
11th Mar '16 4:04:38 PM Zxczxczbfgman
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** The single-player tends to avert this trope, insofar as an organized army will be much more effective than a disorganized one; being able to throw up a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shield_wall shield wall]] quickly is the mark of a skilled commander. The Rhodoks, with their huge "[[FanNickname war door]]" shields, seem to be specifically intended for Roman-style battle lines.
8th Mar '16 9:21:00 AM Veritastheeidolon
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* If LARP can be qualified as actual warfare, new players that join a group for training are usually trained in basic tactical movement as well as fencing with their variety of weapons. In France, for example, everyone in a line has its role:

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* If Combat in Live action fest-style games which use weapons can vary wildly. In general the more they resemble historical combat, the more likely they are to have stand-up line fights. Because magic and powerful monsters might exist and might be capable of trivially disrupting formations and causing unwanted (and unsafe) crushes, this more high fantasy or futuristic a game becomes, the more likely it is to avert this.
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LARP can be qualified as actual warfare, new players that join a group for training are usually trained in basic tactical movement as well as fencing with their variety of weapons. In France, for example, everyone in a line has its role:
24th Jan '16 3:20:14 PM chc232323
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* The top of the page contains a necessary simplification. Modern weapons are so accurate and fire so quickly that the old standbys like lines and squares simply don't work. However, that doesn't mean that modern soldiers run about willy-nilly. A modern squad or platoon of soldiers has a very complex shape designed such that when maneuvering, the unit's weapons provide it with excellent security in each direction and the unit can reform when it must "react to contact." When approaching an objective, facing obstacles, crossing dangerously open ground, or otherwise encountering anything suspicious, a well-trained unit has a pre-planned response. Since these formations are complex, evolve slowly, and generally would be boring to watch, don't expect them to show up on camera, aside from some close-quarters battle drills like room-clearing.
** For an example of the basics of the complexity required to maneuver a modern infantry squad, read [[http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/EIB/EIB_Related_Battle_Drills/battle-drill-1-conduct-pl.shtml Battle Drill 1]], the very first such drill, for the US Army, or [[http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/call/call_97-15_ctc3q1a.htm how to cross a road]].
20th Dec '15 4:06:34 PM nombretomado
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** Massed cavalry charges are a peculiarly Mannish phenomenon - namely Dúnedain and Rohirrim - and massed cavalry charges tend to appear only in the Third Age. TheSilmarillion does not mention a single Elvish cavalry ''unit'', not to speak about charges - Elves always tend to fight as infantry. It is appropriate to think that Men are far more formidable as enemies to Orcs as heavy cavalry than Elves - even the Noldor - as infantry.

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** Massed cavalry charges are a peculiarly Mannish phenomenon - namely Dúnedain and Rohirrim - and massed cavalry charges tend to appear only in the Third Age. TheSilmarillion ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'' does not mention a single Elvish cavalry ''unit'', not to speak about charges - Elves always tend to fight as infantry. It is appropriate to think that Men are far more formidable as enemies to Orcs as heavy cavalry than Elves - even the Noldor - as infantry.
31st Oct '15 8:58:24 PM SantosLHalper
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** [[BladeOnAStick Lancers]] will be used as grinder units, hiding behind the shields and trying to whittle down the opponent's HPs or enforcing some side of the lines by forcing the enemy back with a low lance or halberd swipe that's easily dodged, but still will have you take a step back.

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** [[BladeOnAStick [[ImpaledWithExtremePrejudice Lancers]] will be used as grinder units, hiding behind the shields and trying to whittle down the opponent's HPs or enforcing some side of the lines by forcing the enemy back with a low lance or halberd swipe that's easily dodged, but still will have you take a step back.
31st Oct '15 8:49:39 PM SantosLHalper
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* If LARP can be qualified as actual warfare, new players that join a group for training are usually trained in basic tactical movement as well as fencing with their variety of weapons. In France (since that's where this Troper's from) everyone in a line has its role:
** [[LightningBruiser Voltigeurs]] (acrobats, if you will) are usually used as flankers and will try to backstab the enemy by outmaneuvering their line. They're most of the time dual wielders, with a combination of either short or medium blades, using their speed and offense potential.
** [[StoneWall Shield bearers]] often form the center of the formation and protect everyone on their sides, trying to snap hits under their shields on some occasion. They're the core of the formation.

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* If LARP can be qualified as actual warfare, new players that join a group for training are usually trained in basic tactical movement as well as fencing with their variety of weapons. In France (since that's where this Troper's from) France, for example, everyone in a line has its role:
** [[LightningBruiser Voltigeurs]] (acrobats, if you will) Skirmishers]] are usually used as flankers and will try to backstab the enemy by outmaneuvering their line. They're most of the time dual wielders, with a combination of either short or medium blades, using their speed and offense potential.
** [[StoneWall Shield bearers]] Bearers]] often form the center of the formation and protect everyone on their sides, trying to snap hits under their shields on some occasion. They're the core of the formation.
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