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8th Nov '15 11:29:56 AM Prfnoff
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In most engineering courses, differential and integral calculus is the opposite of arcane: to the contrary, it is usually only the beginning of a 5-year-long journey to ''much'' more advanced mathematical concepts such as ordinary and partial differential equations, vector calculus and complex analysis, and these topics are in turn the base of branches of science such as statistics, electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, chemistry and signal analysis. However, WritersCannotDoMath. Most writers are people who felt much more attracted to warm, flexible, humane, passionate arts and human studies rather than cold, hard, mechanical and stoic exact science. Others had the misfortune of having bad teachers, or maybe they actually fail at handling higher mathematics. As a result, back in their youth most writers made sure to take as little math in school as possible. Per the standard American high school curriculum, mathematics become an optional subject around the time when when calculus is taught, so for anyone who [[EveryoneHatesMathematics quit the subject at the first opportunity]], it's simply the hardest topic [[SmallReferencePools they're familiar with]].

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In most engineering courses, differential and integral calculus is the opposite of arcane: to the contrary, it is usually only the beginning of a 5-year-long journey to ''much'' more advanced mathematical concepts such as ordinary and partial differential equations, vector calculus and complex analysis, and these topics are in turn the base of branches of science such as statistics, electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, cosmology, chemistry and signal analysis. However, WritersCannotDoMath. Most writers are people who felt much more attracted to warm, flexible, humane, passionate arts and human studies rather than cold, hard, mechanical and stoic exact science. Others had the misfortune of having bad teachers, or maybe they actually fail at handling higher mathematics. As a result, back in their youth most writers made sure to take as little math in school as possible. Per the standard American high school curriculum, mathematics become an optional subject around the time when when calculus is taught, so for anyone who [[EveryoneHatesMathematics quit the subject at the first opportunity]], it's simply the hardest topic [[SmallReferencePools they're familiar with]].
6th Sep '15 5:17:04 PM nombretomado
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** During Weird Al's turn as Sir Creator/IsaacNewton on ''WebVideo/EpicRapBattlesOfHistory'', he stumps Series/{{Bill Nye|TheScienceGuy}} with the question "The integral sec y dy from zero to one-sixth of pi is log to base e of the square root of three times the sixty-fourth power of [[BigWhat WHAT?]]" [[note]]The answer, it turns out, is anything that qualifies as the 64th root of 1. Creator/{{Neil deGrasse Tyson}}'s answer of choice is "i".[[/note]]

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** During Weird Al's turn as Sir Creator/IsaacNewton on ''WebVideo/EpicRapBattlesOfHistory'', he stumps Series/{{Bill Nye|TheScienceGuy}} with the question "The integral sec y dy from zero to one-sixth of pi is log to base e of the square root of three times the sixty-fourth power of [[BigWhat WHAT?]]" [[note]]The answer, it turns out, is anything that qualifies as the 64th root of 1. Creator/{{Neil UsefulNotes/{{Neil deGrasse Tyson}}'s answer of choice is "i".[[/note]]
30th Mar '15 6:07:05 PM DaNuke
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In most engineering courses, differential and integral calculus is the opposite of arcane: to the contrary, it is usually only the beginning of a 5-year-long journey to ''much'' more advanced mathematical concepts such as ordinary and partial differential equations, vector calculus and complex analysis, and these topics are in turn the base of branches of science such as statistics, electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, chemistry and signal analysis. However, WritersCannotDoMath. Most writers are people who felt much more attracted to warm, flexible, humane and passionate arts and human studies rather than the cold, hard, mechanical and stoic exact science, had the misfortune of having bad teachers, or actually fail at handling higher mathematics. As a result, back in their youth most writers made sure to take as little math in school as possible. Per the standard American high school curriculum, mathematics become an optional subject around the time when when calculus is taught, so for anyone who [[EveryoneHatesMathematics quit the subject at the first opportunity]], it's simply the hardest topic [[SmallReferencePools they're familiar with]].

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In most engineering courses, differential and integral calculus is the opposite of arcane: to the contrary, it is usually only the beginning of a 5-year-long journey to ''much'' more advanced mathematical concepts such as ordinary and partial differential equations, vector calculus and complex analysis, and these topics are in turn the base of branches of science such as statistics, electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, chemistry and signal analysis. However, WritersCannotDoMath. Most writers are people who felt much more attracted to warm, flexible, humane and humane, passionate arts and human studies rather than the cold, hard, mechanical and stoic exact science, science. Others had the misfortune of having bad teachers, or maybe they actually fail at handling higher mathematics. As a result, back in their youth most writers made sure to take as little math in school as possible. Per the standard American high school curriculum, mathematics become an optional subject around the time when when calculus is taught, so for anyone who [[EveryoneHatesMathematics quit the subject at the first opportunity]], it's simply the hardest topic [[SmallReferencePools they're familiar with]].
19th Mar '15 10:32:19 AM DaNuke
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WritersCannotDoMath. Whether due to lack of interest, poorly taught classes or an actual inability to handle higher mathematical concepts, many writers took as little math in school as possible. For most, the moment mathematics becomes an optional subject is just about when calculus is taught, so for anyone who [[EveryoneHatesMathematics quit the subject at the first opportunity]], it's simply the hardest topic [[SmallReferencePools they're familiar with]].

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In most engineering courses, differential and integral calculus is the opposite of arcane: to the contrary, it is usually only the beginning of a 5-year-long journey to ''much'' more advanced mathematical concepts such as ordinary and partial differential equations, vector calculus and complex analysis, and these topics are in turn the base of branches of science such as statistics, electromagnetism, quantum mechanics, chemistry and signal analysis. However, WritersCannotDoMath. Whether due to lack of interest, poorly taught classes or an actual inability to handle higher mathematical concepts, many Most writers took are people who felt much more attracted to warm, flexible, humane and passionate arts and human studies rather than the cold, hard, mechanical and stoic exact science, had the misfortune of having bad teachers, or actually fail at handling higher mathematics. As a result, back in their youth most writers made sure to take as little math in school as possible. For most, Per the moment standard American high school curriculum, mathematics becomes become an optional subject is just about around the time when when calculus is taught, so for anyone who [[EveryoneHatesMathematics quit the subject at the first opportunity]], it's simply the hardest topic [[SmallReferencePools they're familiar with]].
4th Mar '15 1:30:47 PM DaNuke
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* In Creator/NealStephenson's ''Literature/TheBaroqueCycle'', calculus ''is'' arcane knowledge -- because two of the main characters[[note]]Sir Isaac Newton and Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz, who ''did'' independently invent calculus in RealLife[[/note]] are actively engaged in inventing it. Separately.

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* In Justified in Creator/NealStephenson's ''Literature/TheBaroqueCycle'', ''Literature/TheBaroqueCycle'' -- it takes place somewhere around the 18th century, when calculus ''is'' ''was'' arcane knowledge -- because and the most advanced topic in mathematics. As it actually happened, two of the main characters[[note]]Sir Isaac Newton and Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz, who ''did'' independently invent calculus in RealLife[[/note]] are actively engaged in inventing it. Separately.it separately.
26th Jan '15 10:45:38 AM maxwellsilver
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** During Weird Al's turn as Sir IsaacNewton on ''WebVideo/EpicRapBattlesOfHistory'', he stumps [[Series/BillNyeTheScienceGuy Bill Nye]] with the question "The integral sec y dy from zero to one-sixth of pi is log to base e of the square root of three times the sixty-fourth power of [[BigWhat WHAT?]]" [[note]]The answer, it turns out, is anything that qualifies as the 64th root of 1. {{Neil deGrasse Tyson}}'s answer of choice is "i".[[/note]]

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** During Weird Al's turn as Sir IsaacNewton Creator/IsaacNewton on ''WebVideo/EpicRapBattlesOfHistory'', he stumps [[Series/BillNyeTheScienceGuy Bill Nye]] Series/{{Bill Nye|TheScienceGuy}} with the question "The integral sec y dy from zero to one-sixth of pi is log to base e of the square root of three times the sixty-fourth power of [[BigWhat WHAT?]]" [[note]]The answer, it turns out, is anything that qualifies as the 64th root of 1. {{Neil Creator/{{Neil deGrasse Tyson}}'s answer of choice is "i".[[/note]]
26th Jan '15 10:44:21 AM maxwellsilver
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* Inverted in the ''Manga/ItazuraNaKiss'' episode, ''"The Crucial Moment! Class F's Winter Battle"'', where every high school student tutored by Irie over a very short time period, even the usually dimwitted Kotoko, manages to pass their Calculus section of the college entrance exam. Everyone, save Kinnosuke, who was too proud to get tutored.

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* In the English language version of ''Franchise/{{Tintin}}'', we have Professor Calculus, apparently named so to indicate just how brilliant he is as the direct translation "Professor Sunflower" just wouldn't have the same ring.

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* Joke: Two professors are arguing in a restaurant about whether calculus was obscure or rather well-known. The "obscure" professor went to the men's room. The "well-known" professor asks the waitress to help him play a joke on him -- when he came back, he would call her over, and ask her a question, and she should answer "one half x squared." He comes back, the professor asks him if the waitress knowing calculus would prove it, and the "obscure" professor agrees. He calls over the waitress and asks for the anti-derivative of "x". She answers, "one half x squared -- ''plus a constant.''" [[note]]That is, the "well-known" professor ''got it wrong,'' and the waitress ''corrected'' the answer he told her to give! (For those of you who have not taken calculus -- it is remarkably easy to forget the constant. Just about everyone who has has gotten back a test where all the problems lost one point for forgetting it, and it is completely plausible that the professor forgot.)[[/note]]

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* In ''QuestionableContent'', while Raven is working out the topology of Marten's penis and jeans on the board, Faye mutters "is that calculus?"
* In an episode of ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'', Dexter quips "this will be easier than calculus!"
* ''BigBangTheory''. Four of the five main characters know advanced physics, and the math behind it. But most non-scientists on the show seem not even to have gotten to linear algebra.
* One of the things that, canonically, [[OverrankedSoldier Chief Engineer Commander Tucker]] cannot do in ''[[Series/StarTrekEnterprise Enterprise]]''.

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* In ''QuestionableContent'', Creator/NealStephenson's ''Literature/TheBaroqueCycle'', calculus ''is'' arcane knowledge -- because two of the main characters[[note]]Sir Isaac Newton and Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz, who ''did'' independently invent calculus in RealLife[[/note]] are actively engaged in inventing it. Separately.
* In ''Literature/{{Relativity}},'' this trope is averted: Yes, technically, Michael (college student) is helping Kelly (platonic friend, another college student) with calculus. But rather than just say "he's helping her with calculus," the narrative specifically mentions that he is helping her find the line integral of a vector field.
* Alan Sokal's famous StealthParody paper ''Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity'' makes a RunningGag about nonlinear mathematics showing the way to a new postmodern consciousness. A footnote commenting on a rather confused passage by Robert Markey incorrectly describes complex number theory as "a new and still quite speculative branch of mathematical physics,"
while Raven is working out the topology of Marten's penis other footnotes buffoonishly read a "pro-nuclear-energy worldview" into a book on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon_measure Radon measures]] and jeans on the board, Faye mutters "is that calculus?"
liberal social attitudes into the‎ equality and choice axioms of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo-Fraenkel_set_theory Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory]].
* In an episode a Polish PostApocalyptic novel, the hideout of ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'', Dexter quips "this will be easier than calculus!"
a group of surviving intellectuals is guarded by a door with a code-lock. To pass, one had to enter a solution to a simple integral.

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* ''BigBangTheory''.''Series/TheBigBangTheory''. Four of the five main characters know advanced physics, and the math behind it. But most non-scientists on the show seem to have not even to have gotten to linear algebra.
* One of the things that, canonically, [[OverrankedSoldier Chief Engineer Commander Tucker]] cannot do in ''[[Series/StarTrekEnterprise Enterprise]]''.''Series/StarTrekEnterprise''.



* Inverted in the ''ItazuraNaKiss'' episode, ''"The Crucial Moment! Class F's Winter Battle"'', where every high school student tutored by Irie over a very short time period, even the usually dimwitted Kotoko, manages to pass their Calculus section of the college entrance exam. Everyone, save Kinnosuke, who was too proud to get tutored.
* In ''KimPossible'', the Mathter, despite being a mathematics-themed villain, seems to possess no knowledge of any math above basic algebra. He is understandably beaten by Ron Stoppable's father, who is an actuary and thus actually has knowledge of math of calculus level and beyond.
* ''TabletopGame/{{Paranoia}}'' supplement ''Acute Paranoia''. In a section on mathematics tests, calculus is given as an example of "Very Complex Mathematics". The only category higher than that is "Impossible Mathematics", such as "What is the final digit of pi?"

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* Inverted ''Series/FamilyMatters'' also did this in the ''ItazuraNaKiss'' one episode, ''"The Crucial Moment! Class F's Winter Battle"'', where every high school student tutored by Irie over a very short time period, even the usually dimwitted Kotoko, manages to pass their Laura complains about how difficult her Calculus section test was. And Urkel, of the college entrance exam. Everyone, save Kinnosuke, who was too proud to get tutored.
* In ''KimPossible'', the Mathter, despite being a mathematics-themed villain, seems to possess no knowledge of any math above basic algebra. He is understandably beaten by Ron Stoppable's father, who is an actuary and thus actually has knowledge of math of calculus level and beyond.
* ''TabletopGame/{{Paranoia}}'' supplement ''Acute Paranoia''. In a section on mathematics tests, calculus is given as an example of "Very Complex Mathematics". The only category higher than that is "Impossible Mathematics", such as "What is the final digit of pi?"
course, rants about how easy Calculus is.

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* In an episode of ''{{Futurama}}'', "The Duh-Vinci Code," Professor Farnsworth says something along the lines of, "Oooh, I'm going to go listen to that calculus lecture!"
* ''TotalDrama Revenge of the Island'' has the ''JerseyShore'' [[InsultToRocks reject]] character, Anne Maria, mention that she's "no algebra whiz" when referring to a numbers code clue.
* ''FamilyMatters'' also did this in one episode, where Laura complains about how difficult her Calculus test was. And Urkel, of course, rants about how easy Calculus is.
* In the English language version of ''Franchise/{{Tintin}}'', we have Professor Calculus, apparently named so to indicate just how brilliant he is as the direct translation "Professor Sunflower" just wouldn't have the same ring.
* The Major General in ''ThePiratesOfPenzance'' cites calculus as part of his educated background in his opening song.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Paranoia}}'' supplement ''Acute Paranoia''. In an episode of ''{{Futurama}}'', "The Duh-Vinci Code," Professor Farnsworth says something along the lines of, "Oooh, I'm going to go listen to that a section on mathematics tests, calculus lecture!"
* ''TotalDrama Revenge
is given as an example of the Island'' has the ''JerseyShore'' [[InsultToRocks reject]] character, Anne Maria, mention "Very Complex Mathematics". The only category higher than that she's "no algebra whiz" when referring to a numbers code clue.
* ''FamilyMatters'' also did this in one episode, where Laura complains about how difficult her Calculus test was. And Urkel, of course, rants about how easy Calculus is.
* In
is "Impossible Mathematics", such as "What is the English language version final digit of ''Franchise/{{Tintin}}'', we have Professor Calculus, apparently named so to indicate just how brilliant he is as the direct translation "Professor Sunflower" just wouldn't have the same ring.
pi?"

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* The Major General in ''ThePiratesOfPenzance'' ''Theatre/ThePiratesOfPenzance'' cites calculus as part of his educated background in his opening song.song.

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* Joke: Two professors are arguing in a restaurant about whether calculus was obscure or rather well-known. The "obscure" professor went to the men's room. The "well-known" professor asks the waitress to help him play a joke on him -- when he came back, he would call her over, and ask her a question, and she should answer "one half x squared." He comes back, the professor asks him if the waitress knowing calculus would prove it, and the "obscure" professor agrees. He calls over the waitress and asks for the anti-derivative of "x". She answers, "one half x squared -- ''plus a constant.''" [[note]]That is, the "well-known" professor ''got it wrong,'' and the waitress ''corrected'' the answer he told her to give! (For those of you who have not taken calculus -- it is remarkably easy to forget the constant. Just about everyone who has has gotten back a test where all the problems lost one point for forgetting it, and it is completely plausible that the professor forgot.)[[/note]]
* ''"[[http://www.angryflower.com/whydoe.gif Look lively, people! Spot calculus check!]]"'' ''BobTheAngryFlower'' uses calculus as a measure of whether someone's smart enough to be worth his time (given how often he's been portrayed as a MadScientist, it shouldn't be suprising that Bob knows higher mathematics). Notice that, while other people seem to have half-forgotten their calculus, they still have studied it at some time in the past.
* In NealStephenson's [[TheBaroqueCycle Baroque Cycle]], calculus ''is'' arcane knowledge -- because two of the main characters[[note]]Sir Isaac Newton and Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz, who ''did'' independently invent calculus in RealLife[[/note]] are actively engaged in inventing it. Separately.
* In ''Literature/{{Relativity}},'' this trope is averted: Yes, technically, Michael (college student) is helping Kelly (platonic friend, another college student) with calculus. But rather than just say "he's helping her with calculus," the narrative specifically mentions that he is helping her find the line integral of a vector field.
* Alan Sokal's famous StealthParody paper "Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity" makes a RunningGag about nonlinear mathematics showing the way to a new postmodern consciousness. A footnote commenting on a rather confused passage by Robert Markey incorrectly describes complex number theory as "a new and still quite speculative branch of mathematical physics," while other footnotes buffoonishly read a "pro-nuclear-energy worldview" into a book on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon_measure Radon measures]] and liberal social attitudes into the‎ equality and choice axioms of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo-Fraenkel_set_theory Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory]].
* In a Polish [[AfterTheEnd post-apo]] novel[[labelnote:*]]the title of which eludes this Troper[[/labelnote]], the hideout of a group of surviving intellectuals is guarded by a door with a code-lock. To pass, one had to enter a solution to a simple integral.

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* Joke: Two professors are arguing in a restaurant about whether calculus was obscure or rather well-known. The "obscure" professor went to In ''Webcomic/QuestionableContent'', while Raven is working out the men's room. The "well-known" professor asks topology of Marten's penis and jeans on the waitress to help him play a joke on him -- when he came back, he would call her over, and ask her a question, and she should answer "one half x squared." He comes back, the professor asks him if the waitress knowing calculus would prove it, and the "obscure" professor agrees. He calls over the waitress and asks for the anti-derivative of "x". She answers, "one half x squared -- ''plus a constant.''" [[note]]That is, the "well-known" professor ''got it wrong,'' and the waitress ''corrected'' the answer he told her to give! (For those of you who have not taken calculus -- it is remarkably easy to forget the constant. Just about everyone who has has gotten back a test where all the problems lost one point for forgetting it, and it is completely plausible board, Faye mutters "is that the professor forgot.)[[/note]]
calculus?"
* ''"[[http://www.angryflower.com/whydoe.gif Look lively, people! Spot calculus check!]]"'' ''BobTheAngryFlower'' ''Webcomic/BobTheAngryFlower'' uses calculus as a measure of whether someone's smart enough to be worth his time (given how often he's been portrayed as a MadScientist, it shouldn't be suprising that Bob knows higher mathematics). Notice that, while other people seem to have half-forgotten their calculus, they still have studied it at some time in the past.
past.

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* In NealStephenson's [[TheBaroqueCycle Baroque Cycle]], calculus ''is'' arcane an episode of ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'', Dexter quips "this will be easier than calculus!"
* In ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'', the Mathter, despite being a mathematics-themed villain, seems to possess no
knowledge -- because two of the main characters[[note]]Sir Isaac Newton any math above basic algebra. He is understandably beaten by Ron Stoppable's father, who is an actuary and Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz, who ''did'' independently invent thus actually has knowledge of math of calculus in RealLife[[/note]] are actively engaged in inventing it. Separately.
level and beyond.
* In ''Literature/{{Relativity}},'' this trope is averted: Yes, technically, Michael (college student) is helping Kelly (platonic friend, another college student) with calculus. But rather than just say "he's helping her with calculus," an episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'', "The Duh-Vinci Code," Professor Farnsworth says something along the narrative specifically mentions lines of, "Oooh, I'm going to go listen to that he is helping her find calculus lecture!"
* ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama Revenge of
the line integral of a vector field.
* Alan Sokal's famous StealthParody paper "Transgressing
Island'' has the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity" makes a RunningGag about nonlinear mathematics showing the way ''Series/JerseyShore'' [[InsultToRocks reject]] character, Anne Maria, mention that she's "no algebra whiz" when referring to a new postmodern consciousness. A footnote commenting on a rather confused passage by Robert Markey incorrectly describes complex number theory as "a new and still quite speculative branch of mathematical physics," while other footnotes buffoonishly read a "pro-nuclear-energy worldview" into a book on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon_measure Radon measures]] and liberal social attitudes into the‎ equality and choice axioms of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo-Fraenkel_set_theory Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory]].
* In a Polish [[AfterTheEnd post-apo]] novel[[labelnote:*]]the title of which eludes this Troper[[/labelnote]], the hideout of a group of surviving intellectuals is guarded by a door with a code-lock. To pass, one had to enter a solution to a simple integral.
numbers code clue.
5th Oct '14 6:34:42 AM lordGacek
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* In a Polish [[AfterTheEnd post-apo]] novel[[labelnote:*]]the title of which eludes this Troper[[/labelnote]], the hideout of a group of surviving intellectuals is guarded by a door with a code-lock. To pass, one had to enter a solution to a simple integral.
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** Also, "Yo, I know pi to a thousand places!"
27th Aug '14 8:05:20 PM Prfnoff
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* Alan Sokal's famous StealthParody paper "Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity" makes a RunningGag about nonlinear mathematics showing the way to a new postmodern consciousness. A footnote commenting on a rather confused passage by Robert Markey incorrectly describes complex number theory as "a new and still quite speculative branch of mathematical physics," while other footnotes buffoonishly read a "pro-nuclear-energy worldview" into a book on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon_measure R‎adon measures]] and liberal social attitudes into the‎ equality and choice axioms of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo-Fraenkel_set_theory Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory]].

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* Alan Sokal's famous StealthParody paper "Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity" makes a RunningGag about nonlinear mathematics showing the way to a new postmodern consciousness. A footnote commenting on a rather confused passage by Robert Markey incorrectly describes complex number theory as "a new and still quite speculative branch of mathematical physics," while other footnotes buffoonishly read a "pro-nuclear-energy worldview" into a book on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radon_measure R‎adon Radon measures]] and liberal social attitudes into the‎ equality and choice axioms of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zermelo-Fraenkel_set_theory Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory]].
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