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8th Oct '17 7:01:14 AM cruise
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* Played straight in ''Wildside'', a novel by Steven Gould (the same author who wrote {{Jumper (Literature)}}. After the protagonists discover a portal to an alternate Earth where humans apparently never evolved, a CIA agent shows up as an antagonist despite everything happening on American soil and thus not falling into CIA jurisdiction.

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* Played straight in ''Wildside'', a novel by Steven Gould (the same author who wrote {{Jumper (Literature)}}.Literature/{{Jumper}}. After the protagonists discover a portal to an alternate Earth where humans apparently never evolved, a CIA agent shows up as an antagonist despite everything happening on American soil and thus not falling into CIA jurisdiction.
3rd Oct '17 8:31:44 AM dmcreif
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* ''Series/ThePunisher2017'': Frank Castle's entire family was killed by a CIA black ops group that was trying to kill Frank so he couldn't blow the whistle on war crimes they engaged in over in Afghanistan.
18th Sep '17 10:21:30 PM dbdude01
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* In ''Argo'' the main character is a CIA agent trying to rescue Americans trapped in Iran.
* In ''Film/CharlieWilsonsWar'' the CIA is seen trying to end a humanitarian crisis by liberating Afghanistan from the U.S.S.R.
6th Aug '17 3:59:39 PM bjex
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Expect lots of InterserviceRivalry and JurisdictionFriction should they run into each other, ''especially'' if they are WorkingTheSameCase. If the FBI are the bad guys, expect the good guys to be salt-of-the-earth honest flatfoot coppers; for the CIA to be good guys they'd have to be up against the even shadowier NSA. Or actual bad guys, of course.

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Expect lots of InterserviceRivalry and JurisdictionFriction should they run into each other, ''especially'' if they are WorkingTheSameCase. If On the off-chance the FBI are the bad guys, expect the good guys to be local cops, either city or county, real salt-of-the-earth honest flatfoot coppers; types; for the CIA to be good guys they'd have to be up against the even shadowier NSA. Or actual bad guys, of course.



There is some overlap however, with the abuses of the longtime FBI head, J.Edgar Hoover, being exposed. The reports of him blackmailing politicians, persecuting political dissidents like UsefulNotes/MartinLutherKingJr, falsely claiming Ma Barker was a crime boss to excuse killing her in the crossfire of a shootout with the Barker Gang, ruining the lives of competent agents like Melvin Purvis so he could claim all the credit of their work for himself, as well as allegations such as being blackmailed by the mob for being a transvestite have done much to blacken the name of the FBI under his tenure. Now, the image of the FBI is about stressing how they have moved beyond the legacy of that hypocritical bully...which isn't helped by the fact that their headquarters still bears Hoover's name.

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There is some overlap however, with the abuses of the longtime FBI head, J.Edgar Hoover, being exposed. The reports of him blackmailing politicians, persecuting political dissidents like UsefulNotes/MartinLutherKingJr, falsely claiming Ma Barker was a crime boss to excuse killing her in the crossfire of a shootout with the Barker Gang, ruining the lives of competent agents like Melvin Purvis so he could claim all the credit of their work for himself, as well as allegations such as being blackmailed by the mob for being a transvestite have done much to blacken the name of the FBI under his tenure. Now, the image of the FBI is about stressing how much they have moved beyond the legacy of that hypocritical bully...which isn't bully... something not helped by the fact that their headquarters still bears Hoover's name.



It's worth noting that this kind of public perception is almost completely a US phenomenon without equivalents in other countries, due to the FBI's unusual role as both a day-to-day police force and a semi-covert counter-espionage and state security organisation. For example, in the UK the counter-espionage and state security organisation MI-5 is almost always depicted in fiction, and popularly viewed in real life, as at best utterly ruthless people whose actions might '''just possibly''' be justified and at worst the Conservative Party's private goon squad, while the foreign espionage organisation MI-6 tend to be viewed as slightly more heroic.

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It's worth noting that this kind of public perception is almost completely a US phenomenon an American phenomenon, without equivalents in other countries, due to the FBI's unusual role as both a day-to-day police force and '''and''' a semi-covert counter-espionage and state security organisation. For example, in the UK UK, the counter-espionage and state security organisation MI-5 is almost always depicted in fiction, and fiction (and popularly viewed in real life, life) as at best being utterly ruthless people whose actions might '''just possibly''' be justified at best, and at worst the Conservative Party's private goon squad, while the foreign espionage organisation MI-6 tend to be viewed as slightly more heroic.
23rd Jul '17 7:16:38 PM BattleMaster
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* Played straight in ''Wildside'', a novel by Steven Gould (the same author who wrote {{Jumper (Literature)}}. After the protagonists discover a portal to an alternate Earth where humans apparently never evolved, a CIA agent shows up as an antagonist despite everything happening on American soil and thus not falling into CIA jurisdiction.
8th Jun '17 7:20:34 PM thatother1dude
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* ''Series/TwinPeaks'', with Special Agent Dale Cooper.

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* ''Series/TwinPeaks'', with ''Series/TwinPeaks'': Special Agent Dale Cooper.Cooper, [[BunnyEarsLawyer despite his eccentricity]], lives up the idea of G-man being upstanding, incorruptible, and unfailingly polite and professional.
1st Jun '17 12:50:50 PM marcoasalazarm
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* In ''Get Smart'', the chief chastises Agent 23 for stapling a piece of paper to someone's head. CONTROL agents don't do that. "That's CIA crap."

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* In ''Get Smart'', the chief chastises Agent 23 for stapling a piece of paper to someone's head. CONTROL agents don't do that. "That's "[[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique That's CIA crap.crap]]."
31st May '17 11:31:22 PM Marikina
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* [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] and [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] in the series finale of ''Series/TheInvisibleMan'': when TheHero is asked why he chose to join the FBI, he replies that they seemed to be the less corrupt organization in all the movies he watched, but quickly adds that they also offered a decent salary.
27th Mar '17 2:49:19 AM LondonKdS
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It's worth noting that this kind of public perception is almost completely a US phenomenon without equivalents in other countries, due to the FBI's unusual role as both a day-to-day police force and a semi-covert counter-espionage and state security organisation. For example, in the UK the counter-espionage and state security organisation MI-5 is almost always depicted in fiction, and popularly viewed in real life, as at best utterly ruthless people whose actions might '''just possibly''' be justified and at worst the Conservative Party's private goon squad.

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It's worth noting that this kind of public perception is almost completely a US phenomenon without equivalents in other countries, due to the FBI's unusual role as both a day-to-day police force and a semi-covert counter-espionage and state security organisation. For example, in the UK the counter-espionage and state security organisation MI-5 is almost always depicted in fiction, and popularly viewed in real life, as at best utterly ruthless people whose actions might '''just possibly''' be justified and at worst the Conservative Party's private goon squad.squad, while the foreign espionage organisation MI-6 tend to be viewed as slightly more heroic.
25th Mar '17 5:16:26 PM nombretomado
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* Played with in ''Film/MercuryRising''. The film skips the CIA middlemen, pitting BruceWillis as [[CowboyCop rogue FBI Agent]] Jeffries against the NSA (though they are at least portrayed as dealing with cryptography). Ultimately, Jeffries manages to convince his colleagues of the NSA conspiracy, and the circumstances flip flop - the full might of the FBI is brought down on a rogue element within the NSA.

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* Played with in ''Film/MercuryRising''. The film skips the CIA middlemen, pitting BruceWillis Creator/BruceWillis as [[CowboyCop rogue FBI Agent]] Jeffries against the NSA (though they are at least portrayed as dealing with cryptography). Ultimately, Jeffries manages to convince his colleagues of the NSA conspiracy, and the circumstances flip flop - the full might of the FBI is brought down on a rogue element within the NSA.
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