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7th Jun '17 10:40:25 AM soundsfake
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* ''Series/BlackSails'' had plenty of heterosexual sex scenes and even a few [[GirlOnGirlIsHot lesbian scenes]] that were quite explicit, but there have only been two kisses between men and no sex scenes despite the fact that [[spoiler: Captain Flint, the protagonist, was revealed to be gay.]] The creators mentioned they had plans to show more, but that was [[ExecutiveMeddling Starz executives nixed the idea,]] presumably because having [[spoiler: the protagonist of a gritty action series]] being gay was pushing already enough boundaries, a male/male sex scene would have been far too much.
* While the Philippe, the Duke of Orleans and his lover the Chevalier de Lorraine from ''Series/{{Versailles}},'' show plenty of romantic affection, they are almost always fully clothed, in contrast to King Louis XIV, who engages in an explicit sex scene with one of his mistresses nearly every episode.
21st May '17 9:42:06 AM nombretomado
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* VH1's basketball soap ''Hit The Floor'' both averted this and played it straight with the gay couple introduced in the second season, Jude and Zero. Show creator James [=LaRosa=] (a gay man himself,) [[http://www.thebacklot.com/hit-the-floor-interview-brent-antonello-james-larosa/08/2014/ citing frustrations]] from previous examples of this trope, such as Matt on ''Melrose Place,'' took it as a point of pride that the gay sex scene in one episode was on par with the heterosexual sex scene earlier in the episode in terms of how steamy it was. However, almost immediately after that first scene, the characters in question immediately started enduring relationship drama that left them not even so much as hugging each other for the rest of the season (also not helping things was the fact that one of the characters was a still-closeted pro athlete, leading to a scene after a championship game where everybody was kissing their significant others, and all they could do was stare at each other across the room.)

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* VH1's Creator/VH1's basketball soap ''Hit The Floor'' both averted this and played it straight with the gay couple introduced in the second season, Jude and Zero. Show creator James [=LaRosa=] (a gay man himself,) [[http://www.thebacklot.com/hit-the-floor-interview-brent-antonello-james-larosa/08/2014/ citing frustrations]] from previous examples of this trope, such as Matt on ''Melrose Place,'' took it as a point of pride that the gay sex scene in one episode was on par with the heterosexual sex scene earlier in the episode in terms of how steamy it was. However, almost immediately after that first scene, the characters in question immediately started enduring relationship drama that left them not even so much as hugging each other for the rest of the season (also not helping things was the fact that one of the characters was a still-closeted pro athlete, leading to a scene after a championship game where everybody was kissing their significant others, and all they could do was stare at each other across the room.)
16th May '17 5:27:56 AM DesertDragon
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* A recurring problem on ''Series/TrueBlood''. Straight characters either explicitly have sex or we see them laying in bed after having clearly done the deed. Meanwhile, the gay relationships are uncharacteristically chaste. It becomes disturbing when you think of how there have been at least three explicit rape scenes, and ''that'' is somehow more okay than a same-gender couple having consensual sex.

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* A recurring problem on ''Series/TrueBlood''. Straight characters either explicitly have sex or we see them laying in bed after having clearly done the deed. Meanwhile, the gay relationships are uncharacteristically chaste. It becomes disturbing when you think of how there have been at least three explicit rape scenes, and ''that'' is somehow more okay than a same-gender couple having consensual sex. It took until the final season for Lafayette to be shown having sex.
5th May '17 2:42:13 PM fearlessnikki
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* ''{{Theatre/Cabaret}}'' - the film version anyway - has Brian tell Sally that he's gay. But he's never seen in any relationships (not that he'd be entirely open about it in 1930s Germany anyway) and then he discovers he's [[BiTheWay bisexual by sleeping with Sally]]. Even when it's revealed that they both slept with Maximilian, Brian's is not shown.
* ''Film/TheImitationGame'' was attacked for this. The film strongly implies that Alan Turing is interested in Joan Clarke, even going so far as to propose to her. TheReveal is that his flashbacks to his friendship with Christopher in school was actually a one-sided crush that never went anywhere. In the film he is blackmailed and persecuted for being gay, but never actually shown engaging in any relationships on-screen.
* ''Film/TheWrestler'' has a scene where Randy tells Cassidy he thinks his daughter is a lesbian. It's hinted that Stephanie and her roommate might be a couple, but never confirmed, aside from a FreezeFrameBonus of the photos in their house



* ''Literature/TheBlackMagicianTrilogy'': When it comes to the gay couple, characters claim that EveryoneCanSeeIt, but what it is that they see is a mystery. Unlike the straight romances in the trilogy, there is no sex, no kissing, no cuddling, no touching that isn't triggered by a life or death situation (and even then it amounts to two hugs and two cases of grabbing each others' shoulders), no meaningful looks and no reference to any physical affection or attraction whatsoever after they get together. Mind you, this includes scenes where the reader gets to see them alone togther and thinking about each other.

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* ''Literature/TheBlackMagicianTrilogy'': When it comes to the gay couple, characters claim that EveryoneCanSeeIt, but what it is that they see is a mystery. Unlike the straight romances in the trilogy, there is no sex, no kissing, no cuddling, no touching that isn't triggered by a life or death situation (and even then it amounts to two hugs and two cases of grabbing each others' shoulders), no meaningful looks and no reference to any physical affection or attraction whatsoever after they get together. Mind you, this includes scenes where the reader gets to see them alone togther together and thinking about each other.



* In ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Willow and Tara were a couple for about eighteen episodes before they so much as kissed on-screen, probably partly for this and partly to avoid claims of sensationalism. This was Creator/TheWB's doing. Creator/JossWhedon made sure to put their first on-screen kiss in "The Body" because it was a good character moment and it would keep the kiss from being the focus of the promos. When The WB initially refused to show the kiss, he threatened to quit (to the point of starting to pack up his office) and they relented. When the show moved to UPN, the lack of a standards & practices department allowed him to do what he wanted, leading to the first lesbian sex scene (at least one not played for {{fanservice}}) on network TV.

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* In ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Willow and Tara were a couple for about eighteen episodes before they so much as kissed on-screen, probably partly for this and partly to avoid claims of sensationalism. This was Creator/TheWB's doing. Creator/JossWhedon made sure to put their first on-screen kiss in "The Body" because it was a good character moment and it would keep the kiss from being the focus of the promos. When The WB initially refused to show the kiss, he threatened to quit (to the point of starting to pack up his office) and they relented. When the show moved to UPN, the lack of a standards & practices department allowed him to do what he wanted, leading to the first lesbian sex scene (at least one not played for {{fanservice}}) on network TV. Willow and Tara were also shown doing far more couple-y things after that.



* In ''Series/OnceUponATime'', Mulan is revealed to be a lesbian or a bisexual and in love with Aurora. Mulan tells Robin Hood that she wants to tell an unspecified person that she loves them. She then goes to see Aurora, who interrupts her to tell her that she is pregnant with Prince Phillip's baby. Mulan then [[AbortedDeclarationOfLove leaves]], crying. Whether Mulan is in love with Aurora or Phillip is open to interpretation if you don't listen to [[WordOfGay the creators]].

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* In ''Series/OnceUponATime'', Mulan is revealed to be a lesbian or a bisexual and in love with Aurora. Mulan tells Robin Hood that she wants to tell an unspecified person that she loves them. She then goes to see Aurora, who interrupts her to tell her that she is pregnant with Prince Phillip's baby. Mulan then [[AbortedDeclarationOfLove leaves]], crying. Whether Mulan is in love with Aurora or Phillip is open to interpretation if you don't listen to [[WordOfGay the creators]]. Subverted (but not with Mulan herself) when Ruby falls for Dorothy and even wakes her from a Sleeping Curse with TrueLovesKiss.
4th May '17 2:39:16 AM Lancelot07
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* Averted in the acclaimed Norwegian series ''Series/{{Skam}}'' where season 3's gay couple, Isak and Even, are shown kissing just as much as the show's straight couples, as well as being given a subtle sex scene. The casual and intimate portrayal of a gay relationship is the main appeal of the show's massive GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff status with both US and Chinese fans, among others.
9th Oct '16 3:36:28 PM StrixObscuro
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** In ''ComicBook/{{Runaways 2016}}'', despite the miniseries being written by an openly gay woman and featuring a lesbian version of ComicBook/{{Jubilee}} as the main character, the only actual lesbian kiss in the miniseries occurs in shadow.

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** In ''ComicBook/{{Runaways 2016}}'', 2015}}'', despite the miniseries being written by an openly gay woman and featuring a lesbian version of ComicBook/{{Jubilee}} as the main character, the only actual lesbian kiss in the miniseries occurs in shadow.
9th Oct '16 3:36:00 PM StrixObscuro
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* In ''YoungAvengers'', gay couple Hulkling and Wiccan are seen doing little more than holding hands and sleeping together...clothed, while straight characters in love (also teenagers) have been shown kissing and sleeping naked, implying some off-panel nookie. Thankfully, [[spoiler: the last issue of Children's Crusade [[BigDamnKiss averts this]]. (Though every other instance in the series plays it straight.)]]
* Similar to the Young Avengers example above, the ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' featured almost no physical contact between Karolina and Xavin, even though they were supposed to be betrothed. This was probably for the best, since Vaughn and Alphona stubbornly insisted upon having Xavin take the form of a man despite him having promised to take a female form since Karolina's gay. But even after subsequent writing teams made Xavin female, there was still a noticeable lack of affectionate displays between them.

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* In ''YoungAvengers'', ''ComicBook/YoungAvengers'', gay couple Hulkling and Wiccan are seen doing little more than holding hands and sleeping together...together... clothed, while straight characters in love (also teenagers) have been shown kissing and sleeping naked, implying some off-panel nookie. Thankfully, [[spoiler: the last issue of Children's Crusade [[BigDamnKiss averts this]]. (Though every other instance in the series plays it straight.)]]
* Similar to the Young Avengers example above, the ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' featured almost no physical contact between Karolina and Xavin, even though they were supposed to be betrothed. This was probably for the best, since Vaughn and Alphona stubbornly insisted upon having Xavin take the form of a man despite him Xavin having promised to take a female form since Karolina's gay. But even after subsequent writing teams made Xavin female, there was still a noticeable lack of affectionate displays between them. In contrast, Nico and Victor are shown in bed together and a reference to Gert performing oral sex on Chase was published without comment.
** In ''ComicBook/{{Runaways 2016}}'', despite the miniseries being written by an openly gay woman and featuring a lesbian version of ComicBook/{{Jubilee}} as the main character, the only actual lesbian kiss in the miniseries occurs in shadow.
7th Sep '16 8:31:05 PM Gamermaster
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* ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'' has LesYay '''overflowing''' in [[ShipTease teasing]] and subtext, up and including two women sharing a bed and [[HasTwoMommies raising a daughter together]], and plenty of mentioned groping in the visual novels. But good luck seeing an actual kiss or explicit flirting in the actual show by anyone, [[NoKissingNoHuggig same sex or not]].

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* ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'' ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'' has LesYay '''overflowing''' in [[ShipTease teasing]] and subtext, up and including two women sharing a bed and [[HasTwoMommies raising a daughter together]], and plenty of mentioned groping in the visual novels. [[AllThereInTheManual Sound Stages]]. But good luck seeing an actual kiss or explicit flirting in the actual show by anyone, [[NoKissingNoHuggig [[NoHuggingNoKissing same sex or not]].
24th Aug '16 6:44:10 PM DesertDragon
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This is sometimes a case of RealityEnsues, as many gay couples in real life avoid being affectionate in public for fear of unwanted attention (as was the retroactive justification for the page picture). But if we see them behind closed doors and they continue to act like over-sentimental roommates, it comes right back to being this trope. In Anglo-American media, fans and critics have noticed a pattern of female couples being more likely to be shown engaging in sexual activity on screen than male ones. This is thought to be due to a combination of MaleGaze and assumed GirlOnGirlIsHot among male audiences, which has led to lesbianism being turned into a [[SweepsWeekLesbianKiss promotional strategy]] that is expected to ''attract'' viewers rather than repel them, combined with an assumption that the same male target audiences will react negatively to homoerotic scenes between men.

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This is sometimes a case of RealityEnsues, as many gay couples in real life avoid being affectionate in public for fear of unwanted attention (as was the retroactive justification for the page picture). But if we see them behind closed doors and they continue to act like over-sentimental roommates, it comes right back to being this trope. In Anglo-American media, fans and critics have noticed a pattern of female couples being more likely to be shown engaging in sexual activity on screen than male ones. This is thought to be due to a combination of MaleGaze and assumed GirlOnGirlIsHot among male audiences, which has led to lesbianism being turned into a [[SweepsWeekLesbianKiss promotional strategy]] that is expected to ''attract'' viewers rather than repel them, combined with an assumption that the same male target audiences will react negatively to homoerotic scenes between men.
29th Jul '16 7:21:29 AM Pichu-kun
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* ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'' has LesYay '''overflowing''' in [[ShipTease teasing]] and subtext, up and including two women sharing a bed and [[HasTwoMommies raising a daughter together]], and plenty of mentioned groping in the visual novels. But good luck seeing an actual kiss or explicit flirting in the actual show by anyone, same sex or not.

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* ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'' has LesYay '''overflowing''' in [[ShipTease teasing]] and subtext, up and including two women sharing a bed and [[HasTwoMommies raising a daughter together]], and plenty of mentioned groping in the visual novels. But good luck seeing an actual kiss or explicit flirting in the actual show by anyone, [[NoKissingNoHuggig same sex or not.not]].



* The ''Anime/SailorMoon'' anime is interesting in that it is, even in the Japanese version, very coy about Haruka and Michiru. While the main, straight couple of the series still only kisses infrequently, Haruka and Michiru ''never'' kiss. On the flip side, while Usagi and Mamoru never indicate that they actually have a sex life (their daughter was born hundreds of years in the future), Haruka and Michiru are just about the only couple on the show that we ''know'' have been intimate.

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* ''Franchise/SailorMoon'':
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The ''Anime/SailorMoon'' anime is interesting in that it is, even in the Japanese version, very coy about Haruka and Michiru. While the main, straight couple of the series still only kisses infrequently, Haruka and Michiru ''never'' kiss. On the flip side, while Usagi and Mamoru never indicate that they actually have a sex life (their daughter was born hundreds of years in the future), Haruka and Michiru are just about the only couple on the show that we ''know'' have been intimate.




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* WordOfGod is one scene in ''WesternAnimation/{{Clarence}}'' was censored so that two men on a date kissed on the cheeks instead of on the lips.
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