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25th Aug '17 8:05:08 AM rjd1922
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* Creator/EllenDeGeneres's first sitcom was criticized for focusing too much on gay issues and lesbian relationships after [[RealLifeWritesThePlot she (and the character) came out]]. When she got a second sitcom with Creator/{{CBS}}, the character remained a lesbian, but it wasn't much of a focus. Likewise, Ellen herself is criticized for downplaying her sexuality in order to appeal to mainstream America with her talk show, but she has mentioned her wife Portia de Rossi and marriage several times, and even before she became a national star, Ellen's comedy routines never put much focus on sexuality, either gay or straight.

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* Creator/EllenDeGeneres's [[Series/{{Ellen}} first sitcom sitcom]] was criticized for focusing too much on gay issues and lesbian relationships after [[RealLifeWritesThePlot she (and the character) came out]]. When she got a second sitcom with Creator/{{CBS}}, the character remained a lesbian, but it wasn't much of a focus. Likewise, Ellen herself is criticized for downplaying her sexuality in order to appeal to mainstream America with her talk show, but she has mentioned her wife Portia de Rossi and marriage several times, and even before she became a national star, Ellen's comedy routines never put much focus on sexuality, either gay or straight.
25th Aug '17 8:01:17 AM rjd1922
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This is sometimes a case of RealityEnsues, as many gay couples in real life avoid being affectionate in public for fear of unwanted attention (as was the retroactive justification for the page picture). But if we see them behind closed doors and they continue to act like roommates, it comes right back to being this trope. In Anglo-American media, fans and critics have noticed a pattern of female couples being more likely to be shown engaging in sexual activity on screen than male ones. This is thought to be due to a combination of MaleGaze and assumed GirlOnGirlIsHot among male audiences, which has led to lesbianism being turned into a [[SweepsWeekLesbianKiss promotional strategy]] that is expected to ''attract'' viewers rather than repel them, combined with an assumption that the same male target audiences will react negatively to homoerotic scenes between men.

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This is sometimes a case of RealityEnsues, TruthInTelevision, as many gay couples in real life avoid being affectionate in public for fear of unwanted attention (as was the retroactive justification for the page picture). But if we see them behind closed doors and they continue to act like roommates, it comes right back to being this trope. In Anglo-American media, fans and critics have noticed a pattern of female couples being more likely to be shown engaging in sexual activity on screen than male ones. This is thought to be due to a combination of MaleGaze and assumed GirlOnGirlIsHot among male audiences, which has led to lesbianism being turned into a [[SweepsWeekLesbianKiss promotional strategy]] that is expected to ''attract'' viewers rather than repel them, combined with an assumption that the same male target audiences will react negatively to homoerotic scenes between men.
10th Aug '17 10:06:39 AM Pichu-kun
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* 1982's ''Literature/AnnieOnMyMind'' is considered by many to be the quintessential lgbtq teen novel. Despite this, the earliest covers didn't make it clear that Annie and Liza were a couple. It wasn't until the 1992 cover that they were shown holding hands.
30th Jul '17 7:35:20 PM Everlighte
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* The * ''Series/{{Shadowhunters}}'' has been a victim on this trope. Their heterosexual characters often get more explicit love scenes, including Alec's siblings) while the main m/m couple were relegated to a fade to black and have yet to be shown being intimate on par with the straight characters.

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* The * ''Series/{{Shadowhunters}}'' has been a victim on this trope. Their heterosexual characters often get more explicit love scenes, including Alec's siblings) while the main m/m couple were relegated to a fade to black and have yet to be shown being intimate on par with the straight characters.
30th Jul '17 7:31:39 PM Everlighte
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* ''Film/TheImitationGame'' was attacked for this. The film strongly implies that Alan Turing is interested in Joan Clarke, even going so far as to propose to her. TheReveal is that his flashbacks to his friendship with Christopher in school was actually a one-sided crush that never went anywhere. In the film he is blackmailed and persecuted for being gay, but never actually shown engaging in any relationships on-screen.

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* ''Film/TheImitationGame'' was attacked for this. The film strongly implies has had accusations that Alan Turing is interested in Joan Clarke, even going so far as to propose especially when he proposes to her. TheReveal is that his flashbacks to his friendship with Christopher in school was actually a one-sided crush that never went anywhere. In the film he is blackmailed and persecuted for being gay, but never actually shown engaging in any relationships on-screen.



* The show Shadowhunters has been a victim on this trope. Their heterosexual characters often get explicit love scenes, with the gay character's siblings getting fairly graphic sex scenes with opposite sex love interests while the main m/m couple were relegated to a fade to black and have yet to be shown being intimate on par with the straight characters.

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* The show Shadowhunters * ''Series/{{Shadowhunters}}'' has been a victim on this trope. Their heterosexual characters often get more explicit love scenes, with the gay character's siblings getting fairly graphic sex scenes with opposite sex love interests including Alec's siblings) while the main m/m couple were relegated to a fade to black and have yet to be shown being intimate on par with the straight characters.
11th Jul '17 5:25:14 PM luke333
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* The show Shadowhunters has been a victim on this trope. Their heterosexual characters often get explicit love scenes, with the gay character's siblings getting fairly graphic sex scenes with opposite sex love interests while the main m/m couple were relegated to a fade to black and have yet to be shown being intimate on par with the straight characters.
7th Jun '17 10:40:25 AM soundsfake
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* ''Series/BlackSails'' had plenty of heterosexual sex scenes and even a few [[GirlOnGirlIsHot lesbian scenes]] that were quite explicit, but there have only been two kisses between men and no sex scenes despite the fact that [[spoiler: Captain Flint, the protagonist, was revealed to be gay.]] The creators mentioned they had plans to show more, but that was [[ExecutiveMeddling Starz executives nixed the idea,]] presumably because having [[spoiler: the protagonist of a gritty action series]] being gay was pushing already enough boundaries, a male/male sex scene would have been far too much.
* While the Philippe, the Duke of Orleans and his lover the Chevalier de Lorraine from ''Series/{{Versailles}},'' show plenty of romantic affection, they are almost always fully clothed, in contrast to King Louis XIV, who engages in an explicit sex scene with one of his mistresses nearly every episode.
21st May '17 9:42:06 AM nombretomado
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* VH1's basketball soap ''Hit The Floor'' both averted this and played it straight with the gay couple introduced in the second season, Jude and Zero. Show creator James [=LaRosa=] (a gay man himself,) [[http://www.thebacklot.com/hit-the-floor-interview-brent-antonello-james-larosa/08/2014/ citing frustrations]] from previous examples of this trope, such as Matt on ''Melrose Place,'' took it as a point of pride that the gay sex scene in one episode was on par with the heterosexual sex scene earlier in the episode in terms of how steamy it was. However, almost immediately after that first scene, the characters in question immediately started enduring relationship drama that left them not even so much as hugging each other for the rest of the season (also not helping things was the fact that one of the characters was a still-closeted pro athlete, leading to a scene after a championship game where everybody was kissing their significant others, and all they could do was stare at each other across the room.)

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* VH1's Creator/VH1's basketball soap ''Hit The Floor'' both averted this and played it straight with the gay couple introduced in the second season, Jude and Zero. Show creator James [=LaRosa=] (a gay man himself,) [[http://www.thebacklot.com/hit-the-floor-interview-brent-antonello-james-larosa/08/2014/ citing frustrations]] from previous examples of this trope, such as Matt on ''Melrose Place,'' took it as a point of pride that the gay sex scene in one episode was on par with the heterosexual sex scene earlier in the episode in terms of how steamy it was. However, almost immediately after that first scene, the characters in question immediately started enduring relationship drama that left them not even so much as hugging each other for the rest of the season (also not helping things was the fact that one of the characters was a still-closeted pro athlete, leading to a scene after a championship game where everybody was kissing their significant others, and all they could do was stare at each other across the room.)
16th May '17 5:27:56 AM DesertDragon
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* A recurring problem on ''Series/TrueBlood''. Straight characters either explicitly have sex or we see them laying in bed after having clearly done the deed. Meanwhile, the gay relationships are uncharacteristically chaste. It becomes disturbing when you think of how there have been at least three explicit rape scenes, and ''that'' is somehow more okay than a same-gender couple having consensual sex.

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* A recurring problem on ''Series/TrueBlood''. Straight characters either explicitly have sex or we see them laying in bed after having clearly done the deed. Meanwhile, the gay relationships are uncharacteristically chaste. It becomes disturbing when you think of how there have been at least three explicit rape scenes, and ''that'' is somehow more okay than a same-gender couple having consensual sex. It took until the final season for Lafayette to be shown having sex.
5th May '17 2:42:13 PM fearlessnikki
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* ''{{Theatre/Cabaret}}'' - the film version anyway - has Brian tell Sally that he's gay. But he's never seen in any relationships (not that he'd be entirely open about it in 1930s Germany anyway) and then he discovers he's [[BiTheWay bisexual by sleeping with Sally]]. Even when it's revealed that they both slept with Maximilian, Brian's is not shown.
* ''Film/TheImitationGame'' was attacked for this. The film strongly implies that Alan Turing is interested in Joan Clarke, even going so far as to propose to her. TheReveal is that his flashbacks to his friendship with Christopher in school was actually a one-sided crush that never went anywhere. In the film he is blackmailed and persecuted for being gay, but never actually shown engaging in any relationships on-screen.
* ''Film/TheWrestler'' has a scene where Randy tells Cassidy he thinks his daughter is a lesbian. It's hinted that Stephanie and her roommate might be a couple, but never confirmed, aside from a FreezeFrameBonus of the photos in their house



* ''Literature/TheBlackMagicianTrilogy'': When it comes to the gay couple, characters claim that EveryoneCanSeeIt, but what it is that they see is a mystery. Unlike the straight romances in the trilogy, there is no sex, no kissing, no cuddling, no touching that isn't triggered by a life or death situation (and even then it amounts to two hugs and two cases of grabbing each others' shoulders), no meaningful looks and no reference to any physical affection or attraction whatsoever after they get together. Mind you, this includes scenes where the reader gets to see them alone togther and thinking about each other.

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* ''Literature/TheBlackMagicianTrilogy'': When it comes to the gay couple, characters claim that EveryoneCanSeeIt, but what it is that they see is a mystery. Unlike the straight romances in the trilogy, there is no sex, no kissing, no cuddling, no touching that isn't triggered by a life or death situation (and even then it amounts to two hugs and two cases of grabbing each others' shoulders), no meaningful looks and no reference to any physical affection or attraction whatsoever after they get together. Mind you, this includes scenes where the reader gets to see them alone togther together and thinking about each other.



* In ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Willow and Tara were a couple for about eighteen episodes before they so much as kissed on-screen, probably partly for this and partly to avoid claims of sensationalism. This was Creator/TheWB's doing. Creator/JossWhedon made sure to put their first on-screen kiss in "The Body" because it was a good character moment and it would keep the kiss from being the focus of the promos. When The WB initially refused to show the kiss, he threatened to quit (to the point of starting to pack up his office) and they relented. When the show moved to UPN, the lack of a standards & practices department allowed him to do what he wanted, leading to the first lesbian sex scene (at least one not played for {{fanservice}}) on network TV.

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* In ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Willow and Tara were a couple for about eighteen episodes before they so much as kissed on-screen, probably partly for this and partly to avoid claims of sensationalism. This was Creator/TheWB's doing. Creator/JossWhedon made sure to put their first on-screen kiss in "The Body" because it was a good character moment and it would keep the kiss from being the focus of the promos. When The WB initially refused to show the kiss, he threatened to quit (to the point of starting to pack up his office) and they relented. When the show moved to UPN, the lack of a standards & practices department allowed him to do what he wanted, leading to the first lesbian sex scene (at least one not played for {{fanservice}}) on network TV. Willow and Tara were also shown doing far more couple-y things after that.



* In ''Series/OnceUponATime'', Mulan is revealed to be a lesbian or a bisexual and in love with Aurora. Mulan tells Robin Hood that she wants to tell an unspecified person that she loves them. She then goes to see Aurora, who interrupts her to tell her that she is pregnant with Prince Phillip's baby. Mulan then [[AbortedDeclarationOfLove leaves]], crying. Whether Mulan is in love with Aurora or Phillip is open to interpretation if you don't listen to [[WordOfGay the creators]].

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* In ''Series/OnceUponATime'', Mulan is revealed to be a lesbian or a bisexual and in love with Aurora. Mulan tells Robin Hood that she wants to tell an unspecified person that she loves them. She then goes to see Aurora, who interrupts her to tell her that she is pregnant with Prince Phillip's baby. Mulan then [[AbortedDeclarationOfLove leaves]], crying. Whether Mulan is in love with Aurora or Phillip is open to interpretation if you don't listen to [[WordOfGay the creators]]. Subverted (but not with Mulan herself) when Ruby falls for Dorothy and even wakes her from a Sleeping Curse with TrueLovesKiss.
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