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14th Mar '17 1:58:09 PM BrendanRizzo
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* ''[[www.deviantart.com/art/The-Quintessential-Mary-Sue-251827667 The Quintessential Mary-Sue]]'' has the message that {{Mary Sue}}s are bad, and turn every story in which they appear into a CrapsackWorld. Unfortunately, there is the slight problem that [[spoiler:the VillainProtagonist Mary Sue's amnesiac good half, once she reclaims her memories]], is just as unrealistically talented, but is a genuine hero whom the audience is rooting for. It's then further broken by the fact that [[spoiler:the Sue is only able to win and create a VillainWorld]] by blatant DiabolusExMachina, breaking the previously established rules of the setting, and somehow [[spoiler:usurping ''God'']], ''even after she was explicitly defeated and killed''. That said, the author does recognize this, and includes a disclaimer at the end of Part 2 suggesting that readers [[FanonDiscontinuity disregard the third part]] if [[SnicketWarningLabel they want the story to have a happy ending]].

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* ''[[www.''[[http://www.deviantart.com/art/The-Quintessential-Mary-Sue-251827667 The Quintessential Mary-Sue]]'' has the message that {{Mary Sue}}s are bad, and turn every story in which they appear into a CrapsackWorld. Unfortunately, there is the slight problem that [[spoiler:the VillainProtagonist Mary Sue's amnesiac good half, once she reclaims her memories]], is just as unrealistically talented, but is a genuine hero whom the audience is rooting for. It's then further broken by the fact that [[spoiler:the Sue is only able to win and create a VillainWorld]] by blatant DiabolusExMachina, breaking the previously established rules of the setting, and somehow [[spoiler:usurping ''God'']], ''even after she was explicitly defeated and killed''. That said, the author does recognize this, and includes a disclaimer at the end of Part 2 suggesting that readers [[FanonDiscontinuity disregard the third part]] if [[SnicketWarningLabel they want the story to have a happy ending]].
14th Mar '17 1:56:43 PM BrendanRizzo
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* ''[[www.deviantart.com/art/The-Quintessential-Mary-Sue-251827667 The Quintessential Mary-Sue]]'' has the message that {{Mary Sue}}s are bad, and turn every story in which they appear into a CrapsackWorld. Unfortunately, there is the slight problem that [[spoiler:the VillainProtagonist Mary Sue's amnesiac good half, once she reclaims her memories]], is just as unrealistically talented, but is a genuine hero whom the audience is rooting for. It's then further broken by the fact that [[spoiler:the Sue is only able to win and create a VillainWorld]] by blatant DiabolusExMachina, breaking the previously established rules of the setting, and somehow [[spoiler:usurping ''God'']], ''even after she was explicitly defeated and killed''. That said, the author does recognize this, and includes a disclaimer at the end of Part 2 suggesting that readers [[FanonDiscontinuity disregard the third part]] if [[SnicketWarningLabel they want the story to have a happy ending]].
4th Feb '17 10:06:18 AM RobTan
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* ''ComicStrip/TheWizardOfId'' does an annual Veterans Day strip where it pays tribute to the US military, using the Id army as a metaphor for them. However, the restof the year, I's military, and especially their commander-in-chef Sir Rodney, are depicted as incompetent, bumbling cowards, so the compliment comes off as backhanded at best.
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23rd Jan '17 11:58:03 AM JoeMerl
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** {{Discussed}} in the Walker Brothers' "Honest Thoughts" review of the ''Franchise/CareBear'' movies: Rob notes that while lots of shows talk about ThePowerOfFriendship, they still end their conflict by defeating the villain [[ViolenceReallyIsTheAnswer with violence]]. He credits the first two movies for ''not'' going that route, but actually befriending the villains and thus prompting a HeelFaceTurn. [[note]]Technically [[VileVillainSaccharineShow the Spirit]] is [[SealedEvilInACan trapped back in her book]], but only because they convinced [[JerkassWoobie Nicholas]] to turn against her.[[/note]]

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** {{Discussed}} in the Walker Brothers' "Honest Thoughts" review of the ''Franchise/CareBear'' ''Franchise/CareBears'' movies: Rob notes that while lots of shows talk about ThePowerOfFriendship, they still end their conflict by defeating the villain [[ViolenceReallyIsTheAnswer with violence]]. He credits the first two movies for ''not'' going that route, but actually befriending the villains and thus prompting a HeelFaceTurn. [[note]]Technically [[VileVillainSaccharineShow the Spirit]] is [[SealedEvilInACan trapped back in her book]], but only because they convinced [[JerkassWoobie Nicholas]] to turn against her.[[/note]]
23rd Jan '17 11:57:44 AM JoeMerl
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** {{Discussed}} in the Walker Brothers' "Honest Thoughts" review of the ''Franchise/CareBear'' movies: Rob notes that while lots of shows talk about ThePowerOfFriendship, they still end their conflict by defeating the villain [[ViolenceReallyIsTheAnswer with violence]]. He credits the first two movies for ''not'' going that route, but actually befriending the villains and thus prompting a HeelFaceTurn. [[note]]Technically [[VileVillainSaccharineShow the Spirit]] is [[SealedEvilInACan trapped back in her book]], but only because they convinced [[JerkassWoobie Nicholas]] to turn against her.[[/note]]
11th Jan '17 2:16:57 PM greatpikminfan
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** The Trickster portion also depicts Trickster Mode, where the characters become colorful, more-superpowered, "happier" versions of themselves with NoSenseOfPersonalSpace caused by juju-magic, as a cheap, artificial, creepy thing that does not solve problems. The problem is that the story breaks this when alternate versions of Rose and Davesprite respectively become Jasprosprite^2 and Davepetasprite^2. Colorful, more-superpowered, "happier" versions of themselves caused by mystical sprite fusion with the former having NoSenseOfPersonalSpace. This time, however, readers are just supposed to take these sudden transformations as them being happier and a resolution for their personal issues at face value.
6th Jan '17 7:42:06 AM PurpleAlert
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* ''The Christmas Shoes'' by NewSong. The message itself is broken just by the events of the song. The opening lines paint the narrator's obligate gift-buying as being against the spirit of Christmas, but the whole point of the story is that the little boy is spending Christmas Eve trying to buy a material gift for his dying mother so she can look beautiful when she meets Jesus... instead of actually spending time with her.

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* ''The Christmas Shoes'' by NewSong. The [=NewSong=] gets a lot of criticism for the [[UnfortunateImplications less sentimental]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq10bz3PxyY interpretation of its message]] , but the message itself is broken just by the events of the song. The opening lines paint the narrator's obligate gift-buying as being against the spirit of Christmas, but the whole point of the story is that the little boy is spending Christmas Eve trying to buy a material gift for his dying mother so she can look beautiful when she meets Jesus... instead of actually spending time with her.
2nd Jan '17 7:55:43 AM MagBas
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* ''Webcomic/TheWotch: Webcomic/{{Cheer}}''. The main character does not want to undo his/her and his/her friends' GenderBender because he/she feels ''they now have no reason for being dicks''. Apart from the fact that they had none before either, her speaking about how they became good people after that is disturbing because a) it has a Ginormous [[UnfortunateImplications Unfortunate Implication]] ([[TheUnfairSex Man= Jerk, Woman = Good]]) b) he/she is making his/her decision ''for his/her friends too'', who don't remember who they were before and thus can't properly decide. In ''The Wotch'', it was suggested that the other friends had some recollection of their actions as boys and were very ashamed of it, to the point at which they described the "bullies" (their former selves) as "jerks of the lowest caliber". That was probably an AuthorsSavingThrow though, and still has the initial UnfortunateImplications.\\\
This is actually remarkably common in GenderBender fiction; guy is a dick to a woman, and is turned into a woman as "punishment" or to "learn how women feel". [[RuleOfSexy For some reason]], they tend to end up staying as a woman forever. It's rarely explained how the new woman is supposed to survive with no prior records, no money, and thus no legal existence, nor are the psychological issues examined, though [[http://fav.me/d2e36gj this story takes a run at it]]. The spinoff comic ''Webcomic/{{Cheer}}'' does show some negative consequences of the choice, when the same girl breaks down crying because no-one will remember any of the good things she and her friends accomplished as boys.
2nd Jan '17 7:52:45 AM MagBas
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** There's also the broken aesop that comes from the fact that in a story that is supposed to be about not judging people by their appearances, the most notable aspect of the heroine is her [[MeaningfulName beauty]]. It can make the story seem a bit less about looking beyond appearances and more [[UglyGuyHotWife beautiful women should be willing to settle for ugly men]]. Some variants avoid this by making Beauty's name at least partially ironic, but usually she is presented as [[BeautyEqualsGoodness the epitome of both physical and inner beauty]], while her less attractive sisters are just as ugly on the inside. Not to mention how many variants ''explicitly'' state that the Prince is not just handsome but the handsomest man Beauty has ever seen or even the handsomest one ''in the world'', which can lead to UnfortunateImplications about how it's apparently not enough for the Beast to become human again because he ''has'' to be gorgeous beyond belief to be a proper husband/reward for Beauty.

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** There's also the broken aesop that comes from the fact that in a story that is supposed to be about not judging people by their appearances, the most notable aspect of the heroine is her [[MeaningfulName beauty]]. It can make the story seem a bit less about looking beyond appearances and more [[UglyGuyHotWife beautiful women should be willing to settle for ugly men]]. Some variants avoid this by making Beauty's name at least partially ironic, but usually she is presented as [[BeautyEqualsGoodness the epitome of both physical and inner beauty]], while her less attractive sisters are just as ugly on the inside. Not to mention how many variants ''explicitly'' state that the Prince is not just handsome but the handsomest man Beauty has ever seen or even the handsomest one ''in the world'', which can lead to UnfortunateImplications about how it's apparently not enough for the Beast to become human again because he ''has'' to be gorgeous beyond belief to be a proper husband/reward for Beauty.world''.



* ''The Christmas Shoes'' by NewSong gets a lot of criticism for the [[UnfortunateImplications less sentimental interpretation]] of its message, but the message itself is broken just by the events of the song. The opening lines paint the narrator's obligate gift-buying as being against the spirit of Christmas, but the whole point of the story is that the little boy is spending Christmas Eve trying to buy a material gift for his dying mother so she can look beautiful when she meets Jesus... instead of actually spending time with her.

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* ''The Christmas Shoes'' by NewSong gets a lot of criticism for the [[UnfortunateImplications less sentimental interpretation]] of its message, but the NewSong. The message itself is broken just by the events of the song. The opening lines paint the narrator's obligate gift-buying as being against the spirit of Christmas, but the whole point of the story is that the little boy is spending Christmas Eve trying to buy a material gift for his dying mother so she can look beautiful when she meets Jesus... instead of actually spending time with her.
2nd Jan '17 7:35:09 AM PurpleAlert
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* ''The Christmas Shoes'' by NewSong gets a lot of criticism for the [[UnfortunateImplications less sentimental interpretation]] of its message, but the message itself is broken just by the events of the song. The opening lines paint the narrator's obligate gift-buying as being against the spirit of Christmas, but the whole point of the story is that the little boy is spending Christmas Eve trying to buy a material gift for his dying mother so she can look beautiful when she meets Jesus... instead of actually spending time with her.
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