History Main / BreakOutTheMuseumPiece

1st May '16 5:21:12 PM MasoTey
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This trope is about using old equipment. When an old paradigm beats a new one (like pitfalls versus HumongousMecha), it's RockBeatsLaser. When older equipment is better, it's TheyDontMakeThemLikeTheyUsedTo when standards decline within a civilization, but OlderIsBetter when an older civilization or some flavor of {{Precursors}} are involved; in either case an ArchaeologicalArmsRace can ensue. In SF settings, it's very possible that KineticWeaponsAreJustBetter. If the museum piece is used with something newer it's RetroUpgrade.

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This trope is about using old equipment. When an old paradigm beats a new one (like pitfalls versus HumongousMecha), it's RockBeatsLaser. When older equipment is better, it's TheyDontMakeThemLikeTheyUsedTo when standards decline within a civilization, but OlderIsBetter when an older civilization or some flavor of {{Precursors}} are involved; in either case an ArchaeologicalArmsRace can ensue. In SF settings, it's very possible that KineticWeaponsAreJustBetter. If the museum piece is used with something newer it's RetroUpgrade. See also InvincibleClassicCar.
30th Apr '16 12:27:06 AM Cinereous
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* More recently, in 2014, separatists in Donetsk region, Ukraine, [[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/6/pro-russian-separatists-take-wwii-era-tank/ took an IS-3 tank]][[note]]Heavy tank manufactured in USSR in 1945-46. Phased out as obsolete in the 1970s, but in some armies served until the early 1990s.[[/note]] which was used as a monument. Its engine was in usable condition, and more importantly, its gun is compatible with shells still used by Ukrainian army. However, the Ukrainian army recaptured the tank [[ShaggyDogStory after just a few weeks]] and by July 2014, [[StatusQuoIsGod it was back on display as a museum piece.]]



** It actually got to the point where the separatists would steal old soviet tanks set up as war monuments in parks and other public spaces, since many of them are in restartable condition years after the cold war ended.

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** It actually got to the point where the In mid-2014, separatists would steal old soviet tanks set up in Donetsk region, Ukraine, [[http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/6/pro-russian-separatists-take-wwii-era-tank/ took an IS-3 tank]][[note]]Heavy tank manufactured in USSR in 1945-46. Phased out as war monuments obsolete in parks the 1970s, but in some armies served until the early 1990s.[[/note]] which was used as a monument. Its engine was in usable condition, and other public spaces, since many of them are in restartable condition years more importantly, its gun was compatible with shells still used by the Ukrainian army. However, the Ukrainian army recaptured the tank [[ShaggyDogStory after the cold war ended.just a few weeks]] and by July 2014, [[StatusQuoIsGod it was back on display as a museum piece.]]


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* In 2016, the United States has brought back the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Rockwell_OV-10_Bronco OV-10 Bronco]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfBCr7_6XaI for use in fighting ISIS.]] This plane was first deployed for the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar in the 1960s. The last time it saw military action was in 1991 during the first Gulf War. That's a 25 year retirement period. But as it turns out, when fighting a lightly armed enemy that relies primarily on mobility and small arms, propeller-driven planes work just fine at smoking them.
26th Apr '16 2:24:24 AM JackG
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* ''Contraband Rocket'', the 1956 sci-fi novel by Lee Correy. In the future only rich tourists and those who pass stringent physical criteria can go into space. Some rocket geeks find an atomic-powered RetroRocket abandoned for scrap and help restore it for a flight to the Moon. This means not only TheGreatRepair, but proving in court that they're not crazy (when losing can mean being BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood).
14th Apr '16 10:47:59 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''GoneWithTheWind'', Ashley mentions that his soldiers have to fight the Northerners with muskets from the [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution American Revolutionary War]]. One of the cases where it doesn't help the protagonists.

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* In ''GoneWithTheWind'', ''Literature/GoneWithTheWind'', Ashley mentions that his soldiers have to fight the Northerners with muskets from the [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution American Revolutionary War]]. One of the cases where it doesn't help the protagonists.



* Done literally in the ''{{Starfist}}'' series, where [[HollywoodTactics heavy armored vehicles went out of style three centuries ago]] due to the availability of the Straight Arrow, an extremely lightweight and portable shoulder-fired rocket that could defeat any thickness of armor you could reasonably put on anything meant to move. When someone starts building tanks again, they have to dig Straight Arrows out of the museums so they can make copies.

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* Done literally in the ''{{Starfist}}'' ''Literature/{{Starfist}}'' series, where [[HollywoodTactics heavy armored vehicles went out of style three centuries ago]] due to the availability of the Straight Arrow, an extremely lightweight and portable shoulder-fired rocket that could defeat any thickness of armor you could reasonably put on anything meant to move. When someone starts building tanks again, they have to dig Straight Arrows out of the museums so they can make copies.



* Happens in ''TheRailwaySeries'' during the story "Old Faithful". Sir Handel is having to do everything because Peter Sam is having some minor repairs done. Then he gets derailed, leaving him unsuitable for any more pulling that day. They have no choice but to use Skarloey, who had been retired to a side shed when Sir Handel and Peter Sam arrived, to pull the afternoon train. Skarloey is old and decrepit, but he gets the job done regardless [[{{Determinator}} even after a spring in the front of his frame breaks]]. Afterwards he is sent off to be overhauled and comes back good as new, and has gained Sir Handel's respect.

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* Happens in ''TheRailwaySeries'' ''Literature/TheRailwaySeries'' during the story "Old Faithful". Sir Handel is having to do everything because Peter Sam is having some minor repairs done. Then he gets derailed, leaving him unsuitable for any more pulling that day. They have no choice but to use Skarloey, who had been retired to a side shed when Sir Handel and Peter Sam arrived, to pull the afternoon train. Skarloey is old and decrepit, but he gets the job done regardless [[{{Determinator}} even after a spring in the front of his frame breaks]]. Afterwards he is sent off to be overhauled and comes back good as new, and has gained Sir Handel's respect.
11th Apr '16 11:37:27 AM CynicalBastardo
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Archer}}'' has an example in ''Archer Vice''. TheYakuza are besieging the mansion where ISIS are holed up. Problem is, the only weapons they have are Archer's PPK and Lana's TEC-9s, both of which are out of ammo. Cherlene leads them to a gun cabinet filled with ancient muskets and hunting weapons. Archer makes use of a Mare's Leg throughout the episode.
5th Apr '16 6:26:37 PM KYCubbie
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** After the release of ''Film/{{Battleship}}'', Slate ran an article positing whether or not it would be possible to return the Iowa-class battleships to active duty now that they're museum ships. [[http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/05/21/battleship_movie_and_the_u_s_s_missouri_is_the_u_s_s_missouri_really_still_seaworthy_.html It would actually be very easy]], assuming that enough crew, fuel, and ammunition for its main guns are on hand for that.
* Quite a bit of obsolete-but-still-useful equipment tends to be stockpiled just in case it's ever needed again. Of note is the 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group at Davis-Monthan AFB outside of Tucson, Arizona, essentially one of the largest airplane boneyards in the world. They periodically dip into this stockpile of stored airframes to sell them to other countries, scrap them, or use them for parts for still-flying airframes (worth noting that some American planes, such as the C-130 and the B-52, have been flying since the 1950s). It is notable that for many aircraft(like the listed B-52 as well as the A-10) this is actually their only source of spare parts as the aircraft are no longer in production and the plants are long closed. Some even get turned into remote-controlled drones for things like target practice.
* The [[UsefulNotes/NorthKorea Korean People's Air Force]] has a small number of relatively modern fighter jets, including the [=MiG=]-29. They also operate many older airplanes. Including around thirty [=MiG=]-15s, as in the fighter jet they flew in the ''UsefulNotes/KoreanWar'', although their remaining [=MiG=]-15s are all trainers.

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** After the release of ''Film/{{Battleship}}'', Slate ran an article positing whether or not it would be possible to return the Iowa-class ''Iowa''-class battleships to active duty now that they're museum ships. [[http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/05/21/battleship_movie_and_the_u_s_s_missouri_is_the_u_s_s_missouri_really_still_seaworthy_.html It would actually be very easy]], assuming that enough crew, fuel, and ammunition for its main guns are on hand for that.
* Quite a bit of obsolete-but-still-useful equipment tends to be stockpiled just in case it's ever needed again. Of note is the 309th Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group at Davis-Monthan AFB outside of Tucson, Arizona, essentially one of the largest airplane boneyards in the world. They periodically dip into this stockpile of stored airframes to sell them to other countries, scrap them, or use them for parts for still-flying airframes (worth noting that some American planes, such as the C-130 and the B-52, have been flying since the 1950s). It is notable that for many aircraft(like aircraft (like the listed B-52 as well as the A-10) this is actually their only source of spare parts as the aircraft are no longer in production and the plants are long closed. Some even get turned into remote-controlled drones for things like target practice.
* The [[UsefulNotes/NorthKorea [[UsefulNotes/NorthKoreansWithNodongs Korean People's Air Force]] has a small number of relatively modern fighter jets, including the [=MiG=]-29. They also operate many older airplanes. Including around thirty [=MiG=]-15s, as in the fighter jet they flew in the ''UsefulNotes/KoreanWar'', although their remaining [=MiG=]-15s are all trainers.



* The first operational [=SR-71=] was retired to the National Museum of the United States Air Force in the '70s, only to be put back into service for 20 years and permanently retired in 1990. But perhaps the retirement was premature, since the plane broke an air speed record ''on the way to the museum.''

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* The first operational [=SR-71=] was retired to the National Museum of the United States Air Force in the '70s, only to be put back into service for 20 years and permanently retired in 1990. But perhaps the retirement was premature, since the plane broke an air speed record ''on the way to the museum.''museum''.



* The London Transport Routemaster double-decker bus. It has outlasted all its planned replacements, and was phased out only because even the youngest specimens were over 40 years old and worn from daily use. Even now, several examples remain in service on "heritage" routes in London and many more are in daily use as wedding cars, tourist buses and the like. Also, it caused quite the uproar when the buses were replaced with supposedly more modern "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articulated_buses_in_London bendy buses]]"; one of UsefulNotes/BorisJohnson's main campaign promises was to bring back the Routemaster, and wouldn't you know it--[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Bus_For_London he did]].

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* The London Transport Routemaster double-decker bus. It has outlasted all its planned replacements, and was phased out only because even the youngest specimens were over 40 years old and worn from daily use. Even now, several examples remain in service on "heritage" routes in London and many more are in daily use as wedding cars, tourist buses and the like. Also, it caused quite the uproar when the buses were replaced with supposedly more modern "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articulated_buses_in_London bendy buses]]"; one of UsefulNotes/BorisJohnson's main campaign promises was to bring back the Routemaster, and wouldn't you know it--[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Bus_For_London org/wiki/New_Routemaster he did]].
3rd Apr '16 10:31:49 PM Eoppen
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* The high-school Sensha-do (Tankery; the Way of the Tank) teams in ''Anime/GirlsUndPanzer'' use exclusively WorldWarII-era tanks. The only modern tank seen in the anime is piloted by Captain Chono.
1st Apr '16 10:43:01 AM Willbyr
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* To a lesser extent, the Shen-Hu from ''CodeGeass''. It's not that old (being the precursor to the Guren Mk-II, itself roughly a year old), but like the ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'' example the machine was so insanely overpowered that nobody could use it. When Li Xingke takes it into battle, the only change made is the addition of a [[MechaExpansionPack flight unit]].

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* To a lesser extent, the Shen-Hu from ''CodeGeass''.''Anime/CodeGeass''. It's not that old (being the precursor to the Guren Mk-II, itself roughly a year old), but like the ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'' example the machine was so insanely overpowered that nobody could use it. When Li Xingke takes it into battle, the only change made is the addition of a [[MechaExpansionPack flight unit]].
21st Mar '16 9:45:00 PM marcoasalazarm
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* A ''TabletopGame/D20Modern'' one-shot adventure, ''No Man's Land'', occurs inside of the titular WorldWarI museum exhibit, which is fully loaded with everything including a trench (transplanted from an actual battlefield), multiple samples of weapons and a ''[[TankGoodness tank]]'' of the era, which ''will'' be used by a number of [[NightOfTheLivingMooks zombies]] that were buried on the trench (and [[BigBd a vengeful necromancer will wake up]]. A sidebar mentions that RealLife museum exhibits would have everything deactivated, but for the sake of the RuleOfCool (or through the simple HandWave [[AWizardDidIt of magical influence]], if the [=GM=] wishes to use it), the weapons are live.

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* A ''TabletopGame/D20Modern'' one-shot adventure, ''No Man's Land'', occurs inside of the titular WorldWarI museum exhibit, which is fully loaded with everything including a trench (transplanted from an actual battlefield), multiple samples of weapons and a ''[[TankGoodness tank]]'' of the era, which ''will'' be used by a number of [[NightOfTheLivingMooks zombies]] that were buried on the trench (and [[BigBd [[BigBad a vengeful necromancer will wake up]]. A sidebar mentions that RealLife museum exhibits would have everything deactivated, but for the sake of the RuleOfCool (or through the simple HandWave [[AWizardDidIt of magical influence]], if the [=GM=] wishes to use it), the weapons are live.



** Averted in all but spirit with the [[Series/StarTrekEnterprise NX-Series ships]]: while they are (InUniverse) the oldest ship designs Starfleet has, the store fluff explicitly mentions that the NXes the player can buy are ''replicas'' made with current ship tech (like getting a composite '50's Chevy body replica for your state-of-the-art roadster's frame).

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** Averted in all but spirit with the [[Series/StarTrekEnterprise NX-Series ships]]: while they are (InUniverse) the oldest ship designs Starfleet has, the store fluff explicitly mentions that the NXes [=NXes=] the player can buy are ''replicas'' made with current ship tech specs (like getting a composite '50's Chevy body replica for your state-of-the-art roadster's frame).
21st Mar '16 9:42:31 PM marcoasalazarm
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* A ''TabletopGame/D20Modern'' one-shot adventure, ''No Man's Land'', occurs inside of the titular WorldWarI museum exhibit, which is fully loaded with everything including a trench (transplanted from an actual battlefield), multiple samples of weapons and a ''[[TankGoodness tank]]'' of the era, which ''will'' be used by a number of [[NightOfTheLivingMooks zombies]] that were buried on the trench (and [[BigBd a vengeful necromancer will wake up]]. A sidebar mentions that RealLife museum exhibits would have everything deactivated, but for the sake of the RuleOfCool (or through the simple HandWave [[AWizardDidIt of magical influence]], if the [=GM=] wishes to use it), the weapons are live.


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** Averted in all but spirit with the [[Series/StarTrekEnterprise NX-Series ships]]: while they are (InUniverse) the oldest ship designs Starfleet has, the store fluff explicitly mentions that the NXes the player can buy are ''replicas'' made with current ship tech (like getting a composite '50's Chevy body replica for your state-of-the-art roadster's frame).
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