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24th Apr '17 4:27:29 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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This can be done with varying degrees of squick. Heroes might go the "soft" route and administer {{Care Bear Stare}}s, use ThePowerOfLove and [[ThePowerOfFriendship Friendship]], and in conjunction with [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath "motivational" speeches]] trigger a [[MoreThanMindControl quasi-voluntary]] HeelFaceTurn. However, a more extreme villain might require a more extreme method, and perhaps a shot of LaserGuidedAmnesia, a [[LossOfIdentity new personality]], or a RestrainingBolt might be in order, or even a MindRape to screw him thoroughly. And voila! Duke Diabolico, the [[ForTheEvulz most evil]] and [[LargeHam theatrical]] supervillain to grace [[MonsterOfTheWeek the Saturday weekend]] is now a codger who willingly helps people cross the street. Who cares about MindOverManners, right?

Naturally, this trope invokes a lot of MoralDissonance when a brainwashing done by TheFace is considered anything better that if a villain were to do it. If it is, expect it to be a world of BlackAndGreyMorality or GreyAndGreyMorality, or there is probably some serious ValuesDissonance going on in the work. A villain crossing the GodzillaThreshold may be a justification for this, but if the heroes apply it as the new policy, they may see themselves JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope until [[FelonyMisdemeanor litterers are brainwashed]] into [[UpToEleven creepy all-loving paragons]], and then take it further from there. If TheAntagonist is doing the brainwashing, then it is treated as any regular ol'e {{Brainwashing}}, and expect them to be of the WellIntentionedExtremist or KnightTemplar variety justifying it through TheEvilsOfFreeWill.

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This can be The way it is done with can have varying degrees of squick. Heroes might go the "soft" route and administer {{Care Bear Stare}}s, use ThePowerOfLove and [[ThePowerOfFriendship Friendship]], and in conjunction with [[TalkingTheMonsterToDeath "motivational" speeches]] trigger a [[MoreThanMindControl quasi-voluntary]] HeelFaceTurn. However, a more extreme villain might require a more extreme method, and perhaps a shot of LaserGuidedAmnesia, a [[LossOfIdentity new personality]], or a RestrainingBolt might be in order, or even a MindRape to screw him thoroughly. And voila! Voilà! Duke Diabolico, the [[ForTheEvulz most evil]] and [[LargeHam theatrical]] supervillain to grace [[MonsterOfTheWeek the Saturday weekend]] is now a codger who willingly helps people cross the street. Who cares about MindOverManners, right?

Naturally, this trope invokes a lot of MoralDissonance when a brainwashing done by TheFace is considered anything better that if a villain were to do it. If it is, expect it to be a world of BlackAndGreyMorality or GreyAndGreyMorality, or otherwise there is probably some serious ValuesDissonance going on in the work. A villain crossing the GodzillaThreshold may be a justification for this, but if the heroes apply it as the new policy, they may see themselves JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope until [[FelonyMisdemeanor litterers are brainwashed]] into [[UpToEleven creepy all-loving paragons]], and then take it further from there. If TheAntagonist is doing the brainwashing, then it is treated as any regular ol'e {{Brainwashing}}, and expect them to be of the WellIntentionedExtremist or KnightTemplar variety justifying it through TheEvilsOfFreeWill.



The brainwashee doesn't have to specifically be a CardCarryingVillain, or brainwashing be done to force a HeelFaceTurn. Upholding TheMasquerade is an example of this. If {{Muggles}} were to stumble on the existence of TheMasquerade and [[TheMasquerade The Masqueraders]] have the ethical sense to [[ThouShaltNotKillMuggles not erase them from existence]], then some LaserGuidedAmnesia is in order to keep them oblivious. Of course, being {{Muggles}}, the ethics of this isn't discussed much. This applies especially when it is justified that TheWorldIsNotReady for the [[BrokenMasquerade masquerade to be broken]], or that it is [[ForYourOwnGood for their own good]].

Compare with HeelFaceBrainwashing when it is applied to turn the {{Heel}} from TheDarkSide.

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The brainwashee brainwashing doesn't have to specifically be a CardCarryingVillain, or brainwashing be done to force a HeelFaceTurn. Upholding TheMasquerade is an example of this. If {{Muggles}} were to stumble on the existence of TheMasquerade and [[TheMasquerade The Masqueraders]] have the ethical sense to [[ThouShaltNotKillMuggles not erase them from existence]], then some LaserGuidedAmnesia is in order to keep them oblivious. Of course, being {{Muggles}}, the ethics of this isn't discussed much. This applies especially when it is justified that TheWorldIsNotReady for the [[BrokenMasquerade masquerade to be broken]], or that it is [[ForYourOwnGood for their own good]].

Compare with HeelFaceBrainwashing when it is applied to turn the {{Heel}} from TheDarkSide.
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23rd Apr '17 10:10:12 AM nombretomado
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* Popular among the [[VideoGame/SwordOfTheStars Liir]] in ''FanFic/ShepherdOfTheStars'', as in SwordOfTheStars canon. The other races, especially [[Franchise/MassEffect the Council]], are much less okay with it. When the Turians ask them to stop doing this to captured Batarian terrorists, they switch from [[GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul erasing pain]] to sharing it, inflicting the memories of former Batarian slaves onto the criminals to [[HeelFaceBrainwashing force them to change their ways.]] [[BlueAndOrangeMorality They see nothing wrong with this]], and are somewhat surprised that everyone else does.

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* Popular among the [[VideoGame/SwordOfTheStars Liir]] in ''FanFic/ShepherdOfTheStars'', as in SwordOfTheStars ''VideoGame/SwordOfTheStars'' canon. The other races, especially [[Franchise/MassEffect the Council]], are much less okay with it. When the Turians ask them to stop doing this to captured Batarian terrorists, they switch from [[GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul erasing pain]] to sharing it, inflicting the memories of former Batarian slaves onto the criminals to [[HeelFaceBrainwashing force them to change their ways.]] [[BlueAndOrangeMorality They see nothing wrong with this]], and are somewhat surprised that everyone else does.
21st Apr '17 7:41:25 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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The brainwashee doesn't have to specifically be a CardCarryingVillain, or brainwashing be done to force a HeelFaceTurn. If {{Muggles}} were to stumble on the existence of TheMasquerade and [[TheMasquerade The Masqueraders]] have the ethical sense to [[ThouShaltNotKillMuggles not erase them from existence]], then some LaserGuidedAmnesia is in order to keep them oblivious. Of course, being {{Muggles}}, the ethics of this isn't discussed much. This applies especially when it is justified that TheWorldIsNotReady for the [[BrokenMasquerade masquerade to be broken]], or that it is [[ForYourOwnGood for their own good]].

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The brainwashee doesn't have to specifically be a CardCarryingVillain, or brainwashing be done to force a HeelFaceTurn. Upholding TheMasquerade is an example of this. If {{Muggles}} were to stumble on the existence of TheMasquerade and [[TheMasquerade The Masqueraders]] have the ethical sense to [[ThouShaltNotKillMuggles not erase them from existence]], then some LaserGuidedAmnesia is in order to keep them oblivious. Of course, being {{Muggles}}, the ethics of this isn't discussed much. This applies especially when it is justified that TheWorldIsNotReady for the [[BrokenMasquerade masquerade to be broken]], or that it is [[ForYourOwnGood for their own good]].
21st Apr '17 2:16:39 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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* In ''The WebOriginal/SCPFoundation'', there's an SCP, SCP-2000. [[spoiler: It's a ResetButton that can recreate humanity in the event of an ApocalypseHow.]] Behavioral and cultural modifications are noted to be possible with this SCP, and there's a suggestion it could be used to tone down the sociopathic and violent tendencies in humanity. [[spoiler: They've toned it down as far as they could: to do any more would actually ''hinder'' humanity's progress. Think about that.]]

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* In ''The WebOriginal/SCPFoundation'', there's an SCP, SCP-2000. [[spoiler: It's a ResetButton that can recreate humanity in the event of an ApocalypseHow.]] Behavioral and cultural modifications are noted to be possible with this SCP, and there's a suggestion it could be used to tone down the sociopathic and violent tendencies in humanity. [[spoiler: They've toned it down as far as they could: to do any more would actually ''hinder'' humanity's progress. [[HumansAreBastards Think about that.that]].]]
21st Apr '17 2:08:41 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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Naturally, this trope invokes a lot of MoralDissonance when a brainwashing done by TheFace is considered anything better that if a villain were to do it. If it is, expect it to be a world of BlackAndGreyMorality or GreyAndGreyMorality, or there is probably some serious ValuesDissonance going on in the work. A villain crossing the GodzillaThreshold may be a justification for this, but if the heroes apply it as the new policy, they may see them JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope until purse snatchers are brainwashed into [[UpToEleven all-loving paragons]], and then take it further from there. If TheAntagonist is doing the brainwashing, then it is treated as any regular ol'e {{Brainwashing}}, and expect them to be of the WellIntentionedExtremist or KnightTemplar variety justifying it through TheEvilsOfFreeWill.

The brainwashing has a tendency to be flimsy though, and when it slips the results are often pretty messy. Duke Diabolico might have been helping an old lady cross a street when he just spontaneously relapsed and threw her under a semi. His minions or allies may come by and [[{{Deprogram}} break the brainwashing]] for him. He still might find himself [[BecomingTheMask liking good]] [[GoodFeelsGood more than evil]] and do a HeelFaceTurn on his own accord. He might face a HeroicBSOD as he [[AmnesiacDissonance grapples with]] a hidden [[HeelFaceMindScrew lifetime of evil]]. but if he doesn't, [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge Run Away. Really Quickly]].

The brainwashee doesn't have to specifically be a CardCarryingVillain. If {{Muggles}} were to stumble on the existence of TheMasquerade and [[TheMasquerade The Masqueraders]] have the ethical sense to [[ThouShaltNotKillMuggles not erase them from existence]], then some LaserGuidedAmnesia is in order to keep them oblivious. Of course, being {{Muggles}}, the ethics of this isn't discussed much. This applies especially when it is justified that TheWorldIsNotReady for the [[BrokenMasquerade masquerade to be broken]], or that it is [[ForYourOwnGood for their own good]].

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Naturally, this trope invokes a lot of MoralDissonance when a brainwashing done by TheFace is considered anything better that if a villain were to do it. If it is, expect it to be a world of BlackAndGreyMorality or GreyAndGreyMorality, or there is probably some serious ValuesDissonance going on in the work. A villain crossing the GodzillaThreshold may be a justification for this, but if the heroes apply it as the new policy, they may see them themselves JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope until purse snatchers [[FelonyMisdemeanor litterers are brainwashed brainwashed]] into [[UpToEleven creepy all-loving paragons]], and then take it further from there. If TheAntagonist is doing the brainwashing, then it is treated as any regular ol'e {{Brainwashing}}, and expect them to be of the WellIntentionedExtremist or KnightTemplar variety justifying it through TheEvilsOfFreeWill.

The brainwashing has a tendency to be flimsy though, and when it slips the results are often pretty messy. Duke Diabolico might may have been helping an old lady cross a street when he just spontaneously relapsed relapses and threw throws her under a semi. His minions or allies may come by and [[{{Deprogram}} break the brainwashing]] for him. He still might find himself [[BecomingTheMask liking good]] [[GoodFeelsGood more than evil]] and do a HeelFaceTurn on his own accord. He might face a HeroicBSOD as he [[AmnesiacDissonance grapples with]] a hidden [[HeelFaceMindScrew lifetime of evil]]. but if he doesn't, [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge [[BrainwashedAndCrazy Run Away. Really Quickly]].

The brainwashee doesn't have to specifically be a CardCarryingVillain.CardCarryingVillain, or brainwashing be done to force a HeelFaceTurn. If {{Muggles}} were to stumble on the existence of TheMasquerade and [[TheMasquerade The Masqueraders]] have the ethical sense to [[ThouShaltNotKillMuggles not erase them from existence]], then some LaserGuidedAmnesia is in order to keep them oblivious. Of course, being {{Muggles}}, the ethics of this isn't discussed much. This applies especially when it is justified that TheWorldIsNotReady for the [[BrokenMasquerade masquerade to be broken]], or that it is [[ForYourOwnGood for their own good]].
21st Apr '17 1:52:01 AM WikiGuardianAngel
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The subject of the brainwashee doesn't have to specifically be a CardCarryingVillain. If {{Muggles}} were to stumble on the existence of TheMasquerade and [[TheMasquerade The Masqueraders]] have the ethical sense to [[ThouShaltNotKillMuggles not erase them from existence]], then some LaserGuidedAmnesia is in order to keep them oblivious. Of course, being {{Muggles}}, the ethics of this isn't discussed much.

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The subject of the brainwashee doesn't have to specifically be a CardCarryingVillain. If {{Muggles}} were to stumble on the existence of TheMasquerade and [[TheMasquerade The Masqueraders]] have the ethical sense to [[ThouShaltNotKillMuggles not erase them from existence]], then some LaserGuidedAmnesia is in order to keep them oblivious. Of course, being {{Muggles}}, the ethics of this isn't discussed much.
much. This applies especially when it is justified that TheWorldIsNotReady for the [[BrokenMasquerade masquerade to be broken]], or that it is [[ForYourOwnGood for their own good]].
20th Apr '17 10:29:06 PM WikiGuardianAngel
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** Hermione does a thorough brainwashing on her parents to make them forget about her existence and then sends them to Australia in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows'' for their protection when The Golden Trio go hunting down Voldermort's [[spoiler:Hocruxes]]. She reverts the brainwashing at the end of the story.
20th Apr '17 10:15:49 PM WikiGuardianAngel
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Naturally, this trope invokes a lot of MoralDissonance when a brainwashing done by TheFace is considered anything better that if a villain were to do it. If it is, expect it to be a world of BlackAndGreyMorality or GreyAndGreyMorality, or there is probably some serious ValuesDissonance going on in the work. If the heroes apply it as the new policy, they may see them JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope until purse snatchers are brainwashed into [[UpToEleven all-loving paragons]], and then take it further from there. If TheAntagonist is doing the brainwashing, then expect them to be of the WellIntentionedExtremist or KnightTemplar variety justifying it through TheEvilsOfFreeWill.

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Naturally, this trope invokes a lot of MoralDissonance when a brainwashing done by TheFace is considered anything better that if a villain were to do it. If it is, expect it to be a world of BlackAndGreyMorality or GreyAndGreyMorality, or there is probably some serious ValuesDissonance going on in the work. If A villain crossing the GodzillaThreshold may be a justification for this, but if the heroes apply it as the new policy, they may see them JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope until purse snatchers are brainwashed into [[UpToEleven all-loving paragons]], and then take it further from there. If TheAntagonist is doing the brainwashing, then it is treated as any regular ol'e {{Brainwashing}}, and expect them to be of the WellIntentionedExtremist or KnightTemplar variety justifying it through TheEvilsOfFreeWill.
20th Apr '17 10:01:07 PM WikiGuardianAngel
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Naturally, this trope invokes a lot of MoralDissonance when a brainwashing done by TheFace is considered anything better that if a villain were to do it. If it is, expect it to be a world of BlackAndGreyMorality or GreyAndGreyMorality, or there is probably some serious ValuesDissonance going on in the work. If the heroes apply it as the new policy they may see them JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope until purse snatchers are brainwashed into [[UpToEleven all-loving paragons]], and take in further from there. If TheAntagonist is doing the brainwashing, then expect them to be of the WellIntentionedExtremist or KnightTemplar variety justifying it through TheEvilsOfFreeWill.

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Naturally, this trope invokes a lot of MoralDissonance when a brainwashing done by TheFace is considered anything better that if a villain were to do it. If it is, expect it to be a world of BlackAndGreyMorality or GreyAndGreyMorality, or there is probably some serious ValuesDissonance going on in the work. If the heroes apply it as the new policy policy, they may see them JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope until purse snatchers are brainwashed into [[UpToEleven all-loving paragons]], and then take in it further from there. If TheAntagonist is doing the brainwashing, then expect them to be of the WellIntentionedExtremist or KnightTemplar variety justifying it through TheEvilsOfFreeWill.



The subject of the brainwashee doesn't have to specifically be a CardCarryingVillain. If {{Muggles}} were to stumble on the existence of TheMasquerade and [[TheMasquerade The Masqueraders]] have the ethical sense to [[ThouShaltNotKillMuggles not erase them from existence]], then some LaserGuidedAmnesia is in order to keep them oblivious. Of course, being {{Muggles}}, the ethics of this isn't discussed much.



* [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8374923/1/Confession-is-Good-for-the-Soul This]] ''Literature/GoodOmens'' hurt/comfort fic is a quick deconstruction of this

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* [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8374923/1/Confession-is-Good-for-the-Soul This]] ''Literature/GoodOmens'' hurt/comfort fic is a quick deconstruction of this this .



* The Obliviators of the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' verse perform a LaserGuidedAmnesia wipe on {{Muggles}} who stumble on the existence of magic to preserve TheMasquerade.



* Though not seen, in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' Twilight mentions "reformation spells". If they couldn't convince a character to turn good the old fashioned way, Twilight had every intent of using it. [[spoiler:As the character in question is an unrepentant, [[RealityWarper Reality-Warping]] MadGod, her extreme attitude is understandable.]]

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* Though not seen, in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' Twilight mentions "reformation spells". If they couldn't convince a character to turn good the old fashioned way, Twilight had every intent of using it. [[spoiler:As the character in question is an unrepentant, [[RealityWarper Reality-Warping]] MadGod, her extreme attitude [[GodzillaThreshold is understandable.understandable]].]]



* Some ethical arguments for and against the [[ScienceMarchesOn as of yet]] hypothetical "moral enhancement" revolve around this.

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* Some ethical arguments for and against the [[ScienceMarchesOn as of yet]] hypothetical theoretical "moral enhancement" for unrepentant and unreformable criminals revolve around this.
20th Apr '17 1:56:42 PM WikiGuardianAngel
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Compare with HellFaceBrainwashing when it is applied to turn TheHeel from TheDarkSide.

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Compare with HellFaceBrainwashing HeelFaceBrainwashing when it is applied to turn TheHeel the {{Heel}} from TheDarkSide.
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