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20th Nov '17 12:14:44 PM lillolillo
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** Not only does she have all the powers of [[Franchise/{{Superman}} her cousin]], she has had training in both unarmed and armed combat. By Franchise/WonderWoman and the Amazons. Unfortunately, most writers tend to forget this.
** In the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, while her training with the Amazons has been {{retcon}}ned away, Supergirl has been taught martial arts as part of her schooling on Krypton, although she's far from an expert.

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** Not only does she have all the powers of [[Franchise/{{Superman}} her cousin]], she has had training in both unarmed and armed combat. By Franchise/WonderWoman and the Amazons.Amazons in the [[ComicBook/Supergirl2005 Post-Crisis continuity]]. Unfortunately, most writers tend to forget this.
** In the ComicBook/{{New 52}}, [[ComicBook/Supergirl2011 Post-Flashpoint comics]], while her training with the Amazons has been {{retcon}}ned away, Supergirl has been taught martial arts as part of her schooling on Krypton, although she's far from an expert.
14th Nov '17 12:11:53 PM rmctagg09
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** This is a rule of thumb in the series. Characters who rely purely on their brute strength or natural talent to get ahead will eventually meet their match when paired with an equally strong or even a slightly weaker fighter who is exceptionally well-trained. A prime example of this is Frieza. Because he was born naturally strong and easily steamrolled anyone who got in his way, he was completely ill-prepared to fight Super Saiyan Goku, who wasn't just stronger but had the endurance to fight for a long time, something Frieza severely lacked. Even when Frieza actually trains in ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' and gains a SuperMode whose power rivals a Super Saiyan God, he still {{subverted|Trope}} this trope. [[spoiler: He stops his training right after he unlocks his Super Mode, [[EpicFail causing him to have the same stamina problems that led to his defeat the first time]].]]

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** This is a rule of thumb in the series. Characters who rely purely on their brute strength or natural talent to get ahead will eventually meet their match when paired with an equally strong or even a slightly weaker fighter who is exceptionally well-trained. A prime example of this is Frieza. Because he was born naturally strong and easily steamrolled anyone who got in his way, he was completely ill-prepared to fight Super Saiyan Goku, who wasn't just stronger but had the endurance to fight for a long time, something Frieza severely lacked. Even when Frieza actually trains in ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' and gains a SuperMode whose power rivals a Super Saiyan God, he still {{subverted|Trope}} this trope. [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He stops his training right after he unlocks his Super Mode, [[EpicFail causing him to have the same stamina problems that led to his defeat the first time]].]]



* [[OrdinaryHighSchoolStudent Tsukune Aono]] of ''Manga/RosarioToVampire'' was infused with vampire blood and [[OurGhoulsAreCreepier turned into a ghoul]]. This resulted in a lot of [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomps]] against monsters that were expecting a wimp... and a lot of curb-stomps from monsters who ''weren't'', due to his status as UnskilledButStrong. Five volumes into ''Season II'', [[SplitPersonality Inner Moka]] started training him in martial arts to use in tandem with his ghoulic power. This goes [[TrainingFromHell about how]] [[TookALevelInBadass you'd expect]]. Haiji Miyamoto has this in his backstory; all of his asskicking until the final chapters comes from his karate training. When he does pull out his monster powers [[spoiler: he's a tengu]], his casual attacks are like frag grenades enhanced by his martial arts.

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* [[OrdinaryHighSchoolStudent Tsukune Aono]] of ''Manga/RosarioToVampire'' was infused with vampire blood and [[OurGhoulsAreCreepier turned into a ghoul]]. This resulted in a lot of [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomps]] against monsters that were expecting a wimp... and a lot of curb-stomps from monsters who ''weren't'', due to his status as UnskilledButStrong. Five volumes into ''Season II'', [[SplitPersonality Inner Moka]] started training him in martial arts to use in tandem with his ghoulic power. This goes [[TrainingFromHell about how]] [[TookALevelInBadass you'd expect]]. Haiji Miyamoto has this in his backstory; all of his asskicking until the final chapters comes from his karate training. When he does pull out his monster powers [[spoiler: he's [[spoiler:he's a tengu]], his casual attacks are like frag grenades enhanced by his martial arts.



* In ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'', Harry develops first a certain talent for PlayingWithFire, then vast PsychicPowers. However, since he's still a GlassCannon and said PsychicPowers are (until around chapter 70, and even then, he only really starts using them in earnest in chapter 74) worse than useless in combat - they're PsychoactivePowers and he's justifiably terrified of using them - he's taught how to fight too, picking up an eclectic mix of combat techniques from the Avengers, and a rigorous education in ''aikido'' from Sean Cassidy. While he still gets trounced by the likes of Daken if he's daft enough to go hand to hand with them, against less skilled opponents he can combine his various skill sets to deadly effect, as demonstrated in the sequel, ''Ghosts of the Past'', when fighting [[spoiler: Dudley Dursley a.k.a. the Blob]] while wearing a PowerLimiter - he internalises his telekinesis, uses it to boost his physical abilities, then promptly brutally dismantles his opponent.

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* In ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'', Harry develops first a certain talent for PlayingWithFire, then vast PsychicPowers. However, since he's still a GlassCannon and said PsychicPowers are (until around chapter 70, and even then, he only really starts using them in earnest in chapter 74) worse than useless in combat - they're PsychoactivePowers and he's justifiably terrified of using them - he's taught how to fight too, picking up an eclectic mix of combat techniques from the Avengers, and a rigorous education in ''aikido'' from Sean Cassidy. While he still gets trounced by the likes of Daken if he's daft enough to go hand to hand with them, against less skilled opponents he can combine his various skill sets to deadly effect, as demonstrated in the sequel, ''Ghosts of the Past'', when fighting [[spoiler: Dudley [[spoiler:Dudley Dursley a.k.a. the Blob]] while wearing a PowerLimiter - he internalises his telekinesis, uses it to boost his physical abilities, then promptly brutally dismantles his opponent.
14th Nov '17 6:12:19 AM nighttrainfm
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** This is a rule of thumb in the series. Characters who rely purely on their brute strength or natural talent to get ahead will eventually meet their match when paired with an equally strong or even a slightly weaker fighter who is exceptionally well-trained. A prime example of this is Frieza. Because he was born naturally strong and easily steamrolled anyone who got in his way, he was completely ill-prepared to fight Super Saiyan Goku who not only was stronger, but had the endurance to fight for a long time, something Frieza severely lacked. Even when Frieza actually trains in ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' and gains a SuperMode whose power rivals a Super Saiyan God, he still {{subverted|Trope}} this trope. [[spoiler: He stops his training right after he unlocks his Super Mode, [[EpicFail causing him to have the same stamina problems that led to his defeat the first time]].]]

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** This is a rule of thumb in the series. Characters who rely purely on their brute strength or natural talent to get ahead will eventually meet their match when paired with an equally strong or even a slightly weaker fighter who is exceptionally well-trained. A prime example of this is Frieza. Because he was born naturally strong and easily steamrolled anyone who got in his way, he was completely ill-prepared to fight Super Saiyan Goku Goku, who not only was stronger, wasn't just stronger but had the endurance to fight for a long time, something Frieza severely lacked. Even when Frieza actually trains in ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' and gains a SuperMode whose power rivals a Super Saiyan God, he still {{subverted|Trope}} this trope. [[spoiler: He stops his training right after he unlocks his Super Mode, [[EpicFail causing him to have the same stamina problems that led to his defeat the first time]].]]
9th Nov '17 2:43:10 AM LlamaAdventure
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* Ainz from ''Anime/{{Overlord}}'', despite being a spellcaster, has the ability to change classes to a fighter dual-wielding {{BFS}}es, which he uses for his Momon disguise. Though he has zero experience in swordfighting (to the point that more experienced fighters note how amateurish his fighting style is) he's still able to win any fight by virtue of being grossly overleveled compared to everyone else. Despite this, there are some occasions where instead of simply crushing his opponent outright he'll drag the fight on so he can study their fighting style to take notes on how to properly counter it without having to rely entirely on his stats.
4th Nov '17 2:53:59 PM Godzillawolf
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** Godzilla Jr. is naturally stronger than his father Sr. by a big margin, but he spent a decent period of time during his childhood on Skull Island, learning from King Kong how to actually ''fight''. This means he's not only extremely strong, but has the skill to apply it effectively. This is best shown in comparison to his MirrorUniverse counterpart: Mirror Junior absorbed more radiation by raiding nuclear plants, making him stronger than Prime Jr., but he never learned how to actually ''fight''. Whereas Prime Junior can deal with equal or stronger foes with his skill, Mirror Junior is UnskilledButStrong and struggles when facing someone as strong or stronger where his power edge doesn't help him. [[spoiler:Best shown when the skilled Raiga accessed her SuperMode. Mirror Junior gets dominated by her in close combat at that point now that he lacks a significant power edge and would've been killed if she'd had a longer charge.]]
8th Oct '17 2:22:04 AM lillolillo
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* In ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'' story ''Fanfic/SupermanOf2499TheGreatConfrontation'', [[ComicBook/{{Supergirl}} Kath]] realizes she can't rely on her powers after getting beaten in a fight, and takes martial arts classes.
15th Sep '17 12:59:58 PM ZombieAladdin
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Compare with MundaneUtility, which is a sister trope. It may invoke cases of MundaneMadeAwesome. If the character needs trained combat skills normally rather than just for a few special circumstances, he probably FightsLikeANormal. One place to learn this sort of thing is in a SuperheroSchool, as that's usually the whole point. This trope may also help a character find ways to push the limits of their powers, perhaps even overcoming the limitations imposed by RequiredSecondaryPowers as a result of having new skills and knowledge needed to work around their power's weaknesses.

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Compare with MundaneUtility, which is a sister trope. It may invoke cases of MundaneMadeAwesome. If the character needs trained combat skills normally rather than just for a few special circumstances, he probably FightsLikeANormal. One place to learn this sort of thing is in a SuperheroSchool, as that's usually the whole point. This trope may also help a character find ways to push the limits of their powers, perhaps even overcoming the limitations imposed by RequiredSecondaryPowers as a result of having new skills and knowledge needed to work around their power's weaknesses.
weaknesses. Compare also HowDoIShotWeb, in which the character requires specialized training or knowledge just to use those powers at a basic level.
15th Sep '17 11:57:06 AM ZombieAladdin
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** Attempted in an arc added into the version illustrated by Yusuke Murata: Genos feels Saitama could benefit from at least an appreciation of martial arts by letting him enter a martial arts tournament. Of course, Saitama's "wins every battle in a single punch" ability puts a major snag in that, though Suiryu is still at least fast and deceptive enough to avoid getting punched.
9th Sep '17 12:35:39 PM ultimomant
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* Averted in ''Manga/OnePunchMan''. [[OldMaster "Silver Fang" Bang]] offers Saitama and Genos to become his disciples and learn his martial arts style. Saitama, whose super-power is [[ComicallyInvincibleHero "wins every battle in a single punch"]], says there's no point. Genos also refuses because his fighting style involves [[StuffBlowingUp overwhelming destructive power]] and martial arts don't mesh with it.

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* Averted in ''Manga/OnePunchMan''. [[OldMaster "Silver Fang" Bang]] offers Saitama and Genos to become his disciples and learn his martial arts style. Saitama, whose super-power is [[ComicallyInvincibleHero "wins every battle in a single punch"]], says there's no point. Saitama also doesn't want to get more skilled because his goal is to find a WorthyOpponent who can survive more than one of his punches, and getting more skilled would make that harder. Genos also refuses because his fighting style involves [[StuffBlowingUp overwhelming destructive power]] and martial arts don't mesh with it.
3rd Sep '17 2:28:59 PM DarthNANAME
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** This is a common theme in the series, where heroes with powerful powers tend to neglect their non-superpower fighting skills, which allows [[WeakButSkilled people with more technical powers]] to defeat more powerful heroes by getting in close and/or nullifying their powers and overpowering them with regular martial arts.
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