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30th Oct '17 7:39:54 AM Nintendoman01
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* The main conflict of ''WesternAnimation/SupermanVsTheElite''. Superman adamantly sticks to his ThouShaltNotKill policy even as the Elite gains public support for killing the bad guys, and when the Elite later declare that ''they'' decide who the villains are, and that "people who endanger innocent lives" can apply to more than just criminals and terrorists, it shows how the Elite's methods can lead to JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and HeWhoFightsMonsters territory. On the other hand, the Elite believe their way is better since Superman just beating up criminals and having them thrown in [[CardboardPrison improper prisons]] leads to JokerImmunity and allows villains like the Atomic Skull to just keep killing...which, unfortunately, happens newarly all the time.

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* The main conflict of ''WesternAnimation/SupermanVsTheElite''. Superman adamantly sticks to his ThouShaltNotKill policy even as the Elite gains public support for killing the bad guys, and when the Elite later declare that ''they'' decide who the villains are, and that "people who endanger innocent lives" can apply to more than just criminals and terrorists, it shows how the Elite's methods can lead to JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope and HeWhoFightsMonsters territory. On the other hand, the Elite believe their way is better since Superman just beating up criminals and having them thrown in [[CardboardPrison improper prisons]] leads to JokerImmunity and allows villains like the Atomic Skull to just keep killing... which, unfortunately, happens newarly nearly all the time.
22nd Oct '17 6:29:41 AM Piterpicher
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20th Oct '17 5:47:11 PM WiseMan23753
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* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'': The Shinigami and Quincies have warred for a thousand years, partly because Quincies destroy Hollow souls as punishment for the killing of humans while Shinigami insist on cleansing Hollow souls back into the reincarnation cycle. Quincies refuse to accept their actions threaten existence itself while Shinigami refuse to accept they're overwhelmed by Hollow numbers and need help. Members of both sides have observed that war means both sides are justified and both sides are evil. Complicating matters is the true origin of the war, known only to a very few on both sides, which centres around the mysterious connection between the Quincy King and the Shinigami Soul King both of whom may not be what they seem.

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* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'': The Shinigami and Quincies have warred for a thousand years, partly because Quincies destroy Hollow souls as punishment for the killing of humans while Shinigami insist on cleansing Hollow souls back into the reincarnation cycle. Quincies refuse to accept their actions threaten existence itself while Shinigami refuse to accept they're overwhelmed by Hollow numbers and need help. Members of both sides have observed that war means both sides are justified and both sides are evil. Complicating matters is the true origin of the war, known only to a very few on both sides, which centres centers around the mysterious connection between the Quincy King and the Shinigami Soul King both of whom may not be what they seem.seem.
* ''Anime/LegendOfTheGalacticHeroes'' is about this between the cast of the TheEmpire and TheFederation, centered around [[BrilliantButLazy Yang Wen-li]] and [[GalacticConqueror Reinhard von Lohengramm]]. The former prefers democracy since leadership can be voted out by consent of the people, who aren't forced with a choice between obedience and execution. The latter favors efficiency and if the [[TheGoodKing right ruler]] is in place, society's well-being can exceed any democracy.
** Similarly is the argument with Rudolph von Goldenbaum, the founder of the Galactic Empire. As an {{Expy}} of Hitler, Rudolph is loathed by the Alliance as a symbol of tyranny for regulating the most basic of freedoms and purging diverse customs. On the other hand, the member of the Empire find his actions a NecessaryEvil since the precursor nation of the Galactic Republic was in a far worse state, plagued not only by political corruption but also rotten-to-the-core, morally-decaying society.
12th Oct '17 3:09:22 PM konekootome
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* Ash and Red have a rather big argument in Chapter 27 of ''Fanfic/PokemonResetBloodlines'' in regards to using their bloodline abilities in competitive battling. Red believes that not using them is the same as a naturally gifted person not giving their all, and views Ash as arrogant and disrespectful to his opponents for acting this way. Ash, on the other hand, views his abilities as an unfair advantage that normal humans can't compete against, as well as thinking that if he uses it, it would mean he didn't believe in his Pokémon's strength. The story doesn't take either side, instead allowing readers to draw their conclusions.

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* Ash and Red have a rather big argument in Chapter 27 of ''Fanfic/PokemonResetBloodlines'' in regards to using their bloodline abilities in competitive battling. Red believes that not using them is the same as a naturally gifted person not giving their all, and views Ash as arrogant and disrespectful to his opponents for acting this way. Ash, on the other hand, views his abilities as an unfair advantage that normal humans can't compete against, as well as thinking that if he uses it, it would mean he didn't believe in his Pokémon's strength. The story doesn't take either side, instead allowing readers to draw their conclusions.own conclusions.
* The center of Kurama and Kakashi's conflict in ''FanFic/BlackkatsReverse''. Kurama is right that the villages treat their jinchuuriki horribly and donít know how to train them to their full potential. Hiruzen even admits that their treatment can be considered child abuse on anyone else. But Kakashi is right that Kurama is a kidnapper, as heís taking young and malleable jinchuuriki from their villages and is igniting tensions between the Great Ninja Villages. Konoha barely managed to prevent another Shinobi War from breaking out.
5th Oct '17 8:40:36 AM Nadim
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Codename Kids Next Door}}'': This occurs in the ending of ''WesternAnimation/OperationZERO''. While Numbah 362 admits that Numbah 1 was right to priorotize the Museum before their Moonbase and for believing in Numbah 0, Numbah 1 admits that she was right too_namely that he was putting himself before his team without whom he couldn't have pulled {{The Team}}.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Codename Kids Next Door}}'': This occurs in the ending of ''WesternAnimation/OperationZERO''. While Numbah 362 admits that Numbah 1 was right to priorotize the Museum before their Moonbase and for believing in Numbah 0, Numbah 1 admits that she was right too_namely that he was putting himself before his team without whom he couldn't have pulled {{The Team}}.Plan}} off.
5th Oct '17 8:39:40 AM Nadim
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Codename Kids Next Door}}'': This occurs in the ending of
''WesternAnimation/OperationZERO''. While Numbah 362 admits that Numbah 1 was right to priorotize the Museum before their Moonbase and for believing in Numbah 0, Numbah 1 admits that she was right too_namely that he was putting himself before his team without whom he couldn't have pulled {{The Team}}.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Codename Kids Next Door}}'': This occurs in the ending of
of ''WesternAnimation/OperationZERO''. While Numbah 362 admits that Numbah 1 was right to priorotize the Museum before their Moonbase and for believing in Numbah 0, Numbah 1 admits that she was right too_namely that he was putting himself before his team without whom he couldn't have pulled {{The Team}}.
5th Oct '17 8:38:56 AM Nadim
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Codename Kids Next Door}}'': This occurs in the ending of
''WesternAnimation/OperationZERO''. While Numbah 362 admits that Numbah 1 was right to priorotize the Museum before their Moonbase and for believing in Numbah 0, Numbah 1 admits that she was right too_namely that he was putting himself before his team without whom he couldn't have pulled {{The Team}}.
2nd Oct '17 1:51:50 PM MintyFreshDeath
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** In "Dragonstone", Jon and Sansa differ in opinions on how to handle Houses [[spoiler:Umber and Karstark]], who had joined forces with the Boltons and been subsequently defeated. Sansa wishes to punish the remainder of the Houses and give their lands as a reward to more loyal families, which is the normal and expected practice of the time; failure to do so could encourage other families to abandon the Starks when things get tough. But Jon counters that it's cruel and unfair to punish the Houses' children for actions that they had no part in (the perpetrators having died in battle) and showing mercy when harshness is expected could buy loyalty in the future. Jon only wins the argument by pulling rank as [[spoiler:King in the North]].
21st Sep '17 8:18:10 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* Ash and Red have a rather big argument in Chapter 27 of ''Fanfic/PokemonResetBloodlines'' in regards to using their bloodline abilities in competitive battling. Red believes that not using them is the same as a naturally gifted person not giving their all, and views Ash as arrogant and disrespectful to his opponents for acting this way. Ash, on the other hand, views his abilities as an unfair advantage that normal humans can't compete against, as well as thinking that if he uses it, it would mean he didn't believe in his Pokémon's strength. The story doesn't take either side, instead letting readers to draw their conclusions.

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* Ash and Red have a rather big argument in Chapter 27 of ''Fanfic/PokemonResetBloodlines'' in regards to using their bloodline abilities in competitive battling. Red believes that not using them is the same as a naturally gifted person not giving their all, and views Ash as arrogant and disrespectful to his opponents for acting this way. Ash, on the other hand, views his abilities as an unfair advantage that normal humans can't compete against, as well as thinking that if he uses it, it would mean he didn't believe in his Pokémon's strength. The story doesn't take either side, instead letting allowing readers to draw their conclusions.
21st Sep '17 3:37:40 AM FoxBluereaver
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* Ash and Red have a rather big argument in Chapter 27 of ''Fanfic/PokemonResetBloodlines'' in regards to using their bloodline abilities in competitive battling. Red believes that not using them is the same as a naturally gifted person not giving their all, and views Ash as arrogant and disrespectful to his opponents for acting this way. Ash, on the other hand, views his abilities as an unfair advantage that normal humans can't compete against, as well as thinking that if he uses it, it would mean he didn't believe in his Pokémon's strength. The story doesn't take either side, instead letting readers to draw their conclusions.
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