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25th Oct '16 2:04:32 AM Morgenthaler
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* The ''Series/{{Frasier}}'' episode ''Dinner At Eight''. On the one hand, Martin is right that Frasier and Niles need to relax and enjoy "normal" things sometimes; but seeing as how their hostess just cut off their (presumably expensive) ties, they have a right to be angry. Or at least very, very annoyed.

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* The ''Series/{{Frasier}}'' episode ''Dinner "Dinner At Eight''.Eight". On the one hand, Martin is right that Frasier and Niles need to relax and enjoy "normal" things sometimes; but seeing as how their hostess just cut off their (presumably expensive) ties, they have a right to be angry. Or at least very, very annoyed.
21st Oct '16 5:00:55 PM cybertoy0
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls:
** In "Boss Mabel", Stan and Mabel get into an argument on how to run the Mystery Shack. Mabel takes umbrage to Stan's miserly and obnoxious attitude, but Stan believes if you're too nice, people will walk over you. At the end, both are proven correct; Mabel needs to get tough to get any work out of Soos and Wendy, and her liberal refunds policy eats at the Shack's profits. Stan, meanwhile, goes onto a gameshow and loses an easy fortune because he can't be bothered to learn basic manners.
** In "A Tale of Two Stans", Stan and Ford's feud stems from whom they believe has it worse; Stan had spent several years in near-poverty, even doing time in prison, but only because his determination to get rich quick by being a scam artist. Ford, meanwhile, became wracked with paranoia that the supernatural forces of Gravity Falls were out to get him and destroy the world with his research, but he sought out those forces to begin with.
19th Oct '16 8:39:38 AM siberia82
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* ''Film/XMen'':
** ''Film/XMen1'' had this trope for the political hearing which Jean Grey debated with politicians concerning mutants. Both sides brought up good points, which was the intention of the director. On the one hand, it is an invasion of privacy and discrimination to demand that all mutants register their names, powers, and identities with the government. On the other, mutants are genuinely superhuman, some of them with ''extremely dangerous'' abilities... abilities that law enforcement needs to know how to protect people from should a mutant decide to abuse his or her powers.

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* ''Film/XMen'':
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** ''Film/XMen1'' had this trope for the political Senate hearing which where Dr. Jean Grey debated with politicians concerning mutants. Both sides brought up good points, which was the intention of the director. On the one hand, it is an invasion of privacy and discrimination to demand that all mutants register their names, powers, and identities with the government. On the other, mutants are genuinely superhuman, some of them with ''extremely dangerous'' abilities... abilities that law enforcement needs to know how to protect people from should a mutant decide to abuse his or her powers.



*** When a cure for mutants is introduced, Magneto is primarily wary that humans will 'draw first blood' and use it to forcibly strip mutants of their powers--which is exactly what they do. Unfortunately, he, the Brotherhood and [[spoiler:Jean Grey]] then go on to launch an attack on the cure-production facility ([[spoiler:tearing the Golden Gate Bridge off its foundations in the process]]) with the stated intent of destroying the cure's source -- which happens to be [[spoiler:an innocent teenage boy who is himself a mutant]], thus giving the humans every reason to believe the mutants are exactly as dangerous and destructive as feared.
*** Also when the heroes are discussing taking the cure.
--->'''Storm''': I don't believe this. What sort of coward would take that just to fit in?\\

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*** When a cure for mutants is introduced, Magneto is primarily wary that humans will 'draw first blood' and use it to forcibly strip mutants of their powers--which is exactly what they do. Unfortunately, he, the Brotherhood and [[spoiler:Jean Grey]] [[spoiler:the Phoenix]] then go on to launch an attack on the cure-production facility ([[spoiler:tearing the Golden Gate Bridge off its foundations in the process]]) with the stated intent of destroying the cure's source -- which source--which happens to be [[spoiler:an innocent teenage boy who is himself a mutant]], thus giving the humans every reason to believe the that mutants are exactly as dangerous and destructive as feared.
*** Also Also, when the heroes are discussing taking the cure.
--->'''Storm''': ---->'''Storm''': I don't believe this. What sort of coward would take that just to fit in?\\
2nd Aug '16 1:39:41 PM snowydaybro
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** This can also be used for the initial conflict between Xavier and Cyclops. Xavier goes the democratic route, hoping for peace, but the amount of destructive mutants in the world tend to over rule peace talks. Although Magneto does go overboard sometimes (killing innocents, trying to destroy the world, bad stuff) he has a point that a war between mutants and humans was always going to happen. Any time things look like they'll get better, a shady government agency or the sentinels or any human faction will come along and murder a bunch of mutants. Mutants that aren't ready to fight will most surely die. This is one of the reasons he joins Cyclops after Schism.



** This can also be used for the initial conflict between Xavier and Cyclops. Xavier goes the democratic route, hoping for peace, but the amount of destructive mutants in the world tend to over rule peace talks. Although Magneto does go overboard sometimes (killing innocents, trying to destroy the world, bad stuff) he has a point that a war between mutants and humans was always going to happen. Any time things look like they'll get better, a shady government agency or the sentinels or any human faction will come along and murder a bunch of mutants. Mutants that aren't ready to fight will most surely die. This is one of the reasons he joins Cyclops after Schism.

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** This can also be used for the initial conflict between Xavier and Cyclops. Xavier goes the democratic route, hoping for peace, but the amount of destructive mutants in the world tend to over rule peace talks. Although Magneto does go overboard sometimes (killing innocents, trying to destroy the world, bad stuff) he has a point that a war between mutants and humans was always going to happen. Any time things look like they'll get better, a shady government agency or the sentinels or any human faction will come along and murder a bunch of mutants. Mutants that aren't ready to fight will most surely die. This is one of the reasons he joins Cyclops after Schism.
2nd Aug '16 1:38:33 PM snowydaybro
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** This can also be used for the initial conflict between Xavier and Cyclops. Xavier goes the democratic route, hoping for peace, but the amount of destructive mutants in the world tend to over rule peace talks. Although Magneto does go overboard sometimes (killing innocents, trying to destroy the world, bad stuff) he has a point that a war between mutants and humans was always going to happen. Any time things look like they'll get better, a shady government agency or the sentinels or any human faction will come along and murder a bunch of mutants. Mutants that aren't ready to fight will most surely die. This is one of the reasons he joins Cyclops after Schism.
30th Jun '16 8:27:58 PM ElectroKraken
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* In ''Film/TransformersAgeOfExtinction'', humans have a good reason for wanting to build anti-Transformer technology since battles has razed cities and killed thousands of innocent people in the crossfire. On the other hand, if left unchecked, Decepticons would easily destroy/enslave humanity, nor did it justify [[spoiler: working with a murderous Cybertronian or killing/experimenting on the good Autobots.]]

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* In ''Film/TransformersAgeOfExtinction'', humans have a good reason for wanting to build anti-Transformer technology since battles has have razed cities and killed thousands of innocent people in the crossfire. On the other hand, if left unchecked, Decepticons would easily destroy/enslave humanity, nor did it justify [[spoiler: working with a murderous Cybertronian or killing/experimenting on the good Autobots.]]
4th Jun '16 4:22:10 PM MrThorfan64
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* [[Literature/ArchmaesterGyldaynsHistories "The Dance of the Dragons"]], a historical civil war in the world of "A Song of Ice and Fire". Viserys I declares his daughter from his first marriage, Rhaneyra, as heir. However he continues proclaiming her heir despite having sons from his second marriage. When he dies Rhaenyra and her half-brother Aegon II fight for supremacy. They both have valid points, Viserys proclaimed Rhaenyra his heir and she is older then Aegon. On the other hand, proclaiming a daughter over a son goes completely against the succession laws most of Westeros works on. This is even more strict among the Kings, Viserys only becoming heir to the throne due to his female cousin Rhaenys being passed over (he's the son of the second son, while Rhaenys was daughter of the first son of King Jaehaerys I), a law which was decided upon in the Great Council of the Lords. It doesn't help that Rhaenyra is married to her uncle, the ruthless and roguish Daemon Targaryen, who doesn't at all look like someone who should hold power. However, both claimants show themselves to be poor and brutal rulers, and refuse to compromise, [[when Rhaneyra takes King's Landing she refuses the offer to call another Great Council to determine succession,]] along with both branches of the family murdering other members, Aegon's full brother Aemond murdering one of Rhanyra's sons Lucerys Velaryon, and Daemon avenging his stepsons murder by sending men to murder one of Aegon's infant sons.

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* [[Literature/ArchmaesterGyldaynsHistories "The Dance of the Dragons"]], a historical civil war in the world of "A Song of Ice and Fire". Viserys I declares his daughter from his first marriage, Rhaneyra, as heir. However he continues proclaiming her heir despite having sons from his second marriage. When he dies Rhaenyra and her half-brother Aegon II fight for supremacy. They both have valid points, Viserys proclaimed Rhaenyra his heir and she is older then Aegon. On the other hand, proclaiming a daughter over a son goes completely against the succession laws most of Westeros works on. This is even more strict among the Kings, Viserys only becoming heir to the throne due to his female cousin Rhaenys being passed over (he's the son of the second son, while Rhaenys was daughter of the first son of King Jaehaerys I), a law which was decided upon in the Great Council of the Lords. It doesn't help that Rhaenyra is married to her uncle, the ruthless and roguish amoral Daemon Targaryen, who doesn't at all look like someone who should hold power. However, both claimants show themselves to be poor and brutal rulers, and refuse to compromise, [[when [[spoiler:when Rhaneyra takes King's Landing she refuses the offer to call another Great Council to determine succession,]] along with both branches of the family murdering other members, Aegon's full brother Aemond murdering one of Rhanyra's sons Lucerys Velaryon, and Daemon avenging his stepsons murder by sending men to murder one of Aegon's infant sons.sons. Ironically due to Aegon's line dying out Rhaenyra's line gets the Iron Throne, but remains with strict male-line inheritance, Rhaenyra partly ruining her cause with her tyranny.
10th May '16 12:48:37 PM CJCroen1393
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* In ''Webcomic/TheSeer'', [[AxeCrazy Jeff the Killer]] is fully prepared to destroy [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds the Scarecrow]] even after she claims she can explain herself. When [[TheHero Korbyn]] tries to stop him, he tells her that they can't rule out the possibility that Scarecrow is lying. While Korbyn [[LampshadeHanging concedes that he has a point there]], she goes on to tell him that they can't just jump to that conclusion without hearing her side of the story first.
19th Apr '16 9:28:33 PM spartandjango
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* In ''Fanfic/EventHorizonStormOfMagic'', Robb and Ned Stark have a disagreement over whether [[MegaCorp The Company™]] has improved or worsened the lives of their people. Robb supports The Company™ as their ideas and technology have improved the lives of their people and allowed the North to modernize and industrialize into a modern nation with a well equipped army. Ned counters The Company™'s "help" has caused pollution, and their people's traditions, culture, and values are being threatened by The Company™'s greed.
9th Apr '16 6:52:54 PM hopeshalllive
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* ''Film/TheHobbitDesolationOfSmaug'' has [[ElvesVSDwarves Thranduil and Thorin]]. Thorin accuses Thranduil of being honorless because the Dwarves came to him once looking for shelter after Smaug took the Mountain for himself and Thranduil just shut them out. Thranduil accuses Thorin of being just like his grandfather, being so obsessed with pride and greed that he won't listen to reason. It takes a while to realize that both sides are guilty: Thranduil didn't ''have'' to attack the dragon, he could have just aided the refugees, whereas Thorin is becoming more and more like a {{Jerkass}} the closer he gets to the Mountain and by the third film, Thranduil is proven absolutely right.

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* ''Film/TheHobbitDesolationOfSmaug'' ''Film/TheHobbitTheDesolationOfSmaug'' has [[ElvesVSDwarves Thranduil and Thorin]]. Thorin accuses Thranduil of being honorless because the Dwarves came to him once looking for shelter after Smaug took the Mountain for himself and Thranduil just shut them out. Thranduil accuses Thorin of being just like his grandfather, being so obsessed with pride and greed that he won't listen to reason. It takes a while to realize that both sides are guilty: Thranduil didn't ''have'' to attack the dragon, he could have just aided the refugees, whereas Thorin is becoming more and more like a {{Jerkass}} the closer he gets to the Mountain and by the third film, Thranduil is proven absolutely right.
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