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23rd Sep '17 6:23:32 AM TheDocCC
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* This was useful in real combat, both for and against cavalry. Thus, you get weapons like pikes, glaives, and [[BayonetYa bayonets]], which are blades on a stick where the stick is a ''gun''.
** Used in practically every peasant's revolt ever, being quite effective against mounted nobility (horses are scared silly of anything resembling a pointy stick), so it's up to the TorchesAndPitchforks. Most polearms are derived from converted farm implements or household blades stuck on long poles. They are easier for TheBlacksmith to produce in a hurry: if pitchforks aren't enough, set a scythe blade on top of a straight stick, and you got some sort of glaive.
** It also helps that it is relatively easy to train someone to use a spear effectively, as opposed to weapons like swords. To give you some idea, a decent spearman can be trained in six weeks. A half-decent swordsman would take a ''minimum'' of six months.
** Ironically, when measuring the time taken to master the sword and spear, it's generally accepted in the martial arts community that mastering the sword takes less time. Strange. But spear tactics were much simpler in numbers. That's because martial artists use spears differently than soldiers do. A martial artist trains to fight one-on-one or small numbers of individuals, under which circumstances a spear is an awkward weapon; it's tricky to manipulate.
*** The Historical European Martial Arts community disagrees heavily. Additionally, the belief that it is useless [[ArbitraryMinimumRange if your opponent gets inside it]] is nonsense, as demonstrated by [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpUcsIwW0kQ&feature=youtu.be&t=39 Matt Easton of Scholagladiatora]].) Getting inside a trained spear-user's reach without suffering crippling or fatal stab wounds is [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8RWLxlzTiM harder than one might think.]]

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* This was useful in real combat, for footmen and both for and against cavalry. Thus, you get weapons like pikes, glaives, and [[BayonetYa bayonets]], which are blades on a stick where the stick is a ''gun''.
** Used Universal in practically every peasant's revolt ever, being quite effective against mounted nobility (horses are scared silly ancient and medieval battle. The most common hand-to-hand killing weapons in most armies before massed black powder weapons were variants of anything resembling a pointy stick), so it's up to the TorchesAndPitchforks. Most polearms are derived from converted farm implements or household blades stuck on long poles. They sticks. Swords were primarily side-arms. The Republican and Imperial Roman are easier exceptions, where the primary weapon of their front-line troops was a gladius, but they still had two pila (variants of javelins) and the auxila and triarii did have spears. (Note that these statements are generalities, and there will be nuanced, numerous reasons for TheBlacksmith to produce in a hurry: if pitchforks aren't enough, set a scythe blade on top of a straight stick, the choices made by every culture and you got some sort time period.)
** Spears were the common weapon
of glaive.
hoplite armies.
** Spears (yari) and naginata were the dominant hand-to-hand battle weapons of samurai, with the sword a side-arm used when not kitted up for war.
** Swiss pikemen.
** It also helps that it is relatively easy to train someone to use a spear effectively, as opposed to weapons like swords. To give you some idea, a decent spearman can be trained in six weeks. A half-decent swordsman would take a ''minimum'' of six months.\n** Ironically, when measuring the time taken to master the sword and spear, it's generally accepted in the martial arts community that mastering the sword takes less time. Strange. But spear tactics were much simpler in numbers. That's because martial artists use spears differently than soldiers do. A martial artist trains to fight one-on-one or small numbers of individuals, under which circumstances a spear is an awkward weapon; it's tricky to manipulate.
*** The Historical European Martial Arts community disagrees heavily. ** This for many raises the question of why the sword had such cultural prominence if the spear was the main battle weapon, and the answer is simple; remember that for every moment spent in battle, months or years were spent out of it. If you had to simply walk around town, or stand a long guard shift, you may opt for the thing that is easier to carry at your side (your sidearm). Carrying around a blade on a stick is a pain in the rear. Thus, if your society deemed you high status enough to carry a weapon around in the first place, and if you weren't expecting pitched battle any minute now, you probably would be much more inclined to carry the thing that is easy to carry. This held true in multiple cultures from East Asia, Central Asia, and Europe.
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Additionally, the belief that it a polearm is useless [[ArbitraryMinimumRange if your opponent gets inside it]] is nonsense, as demonstrated by [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpUcsIwW0kQ&feature=youtu.be&t=39 Matt Easton of Scholagladiatora]].) Getting inside a trained spear-user's reach without suffering crippling or fatal stab wounds is [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8RWLxlzTiM harder than one might think.]]
23rd Sep '17 5:55:32 AM TheDocCC
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** Ironically, when measuring the time taken to master the sword and spear, it's generally accepted in the martial arts community that mastering the sword takes less time. Strange. But spear tactics were much simpler in numbers. That's because martial artists use spears differently than soldiers do. A martial artist trains to fight one-on-one or small numbers of individuals, under which circumstances a spear is an awkward weapon; it's tricky to manipulate. (However, the belief that it is useless [[ArbitraryMinimumRange if your opponent gets inside it,]] is nonsense, as demonstrated by [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpUcsIwW0kQ&feature=youtu.be&t=39 Matt Easton of Scholagladiatora]].) Getting inside a trained spear-user's reach without suffering crippling or fatal stab wounds is [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8RWLxlzTiM harder than one might think.]] A ''soldier'' trains to stand in line, obey orders, have discipline and not have to defend himself from more than one direction--unless his formation has crumbled, at which point he's got much larger problems than the fact that he doesn't know how to use his spear in single combat.

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** Ironically, when measuring the time taken to master the sword and spear, it's generally accepted in the martial arts community that mastering the sword takes less time. Strange. But spear tactics were much simpler in numbers. That's because martial artists use spears differently than soldiers do. A martial artist trains to fight one-on-one or small numbers of individuals, under which circumstances a spear is an awkward weapon; it's tricky to manipulate. (However,
*** The Historical European Martial Arts community disagrees heavily. Additionally,
the belief that it is useless [[ArbitraryMinimumRange if your opponent gets inside it,]] it]] is nonsense, as demonstrated by [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpUcsIwW0kQ&feature=youtu.be&t=39 Matt Easton of Scholagladiatora]].) Getting inside a trained spear-user's reach without suffering crippling or fatal stab wounds is [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8RWLxlzTiM harder than one might think.]] A ''soldier'' trains to stand in line, obey orders, have discipline and not have to defend himself from more than one direction--unless his formation has crumbled, at which point he's got much larger problems than the fact that he doesn't know how to use his spear in single combat.
23rd Sep '17 5:53:01 AM TheDocCC
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** Ironically, when measuring the time taken to master the sword and spear, it's generally accepted in the martial arts community that mastering the sword takes less time. Strange. But spear tactics were much simpler in numbers. That's because martial artists use spears differently than soldiers do. A martial artist trains to fight one-on-one or several-on-one battles, under which circumstances a spear is an awkward weapon; it's tricky to manipulate and is useless [[ArbitraryMinimumRange if your opponent gets inside it,]] although getting inside a trained spear-user's reach without suffering crippling or fatal stab wounds is [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8RWLxlzTiM harder than one might think.]] A ''soldier'' trains to stand in line, obey orders, have discipline and not have to defend himself from more than one direction--unless his formation has crumbled, at which point he's got much larger problems than the fact that he doesn't know how to use his spear in single combat.

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** Ironically, when measuring the time taken to master the sword and spear, it's generally accepted in the martial arts community that mastering the sword takes less time. Strange. But spear tactics were much simpler in numbers. That's because martial artists use spears differently than soldiers do. A martial artist trains to fight one-on-one or several-on-one battles, small numbers of individuals, under which circumstances a spear is an awkward weapon; it's tricky to manipulate and manipulate. (However, the belief that it is useless useless [[ArbitraryMinimumRange if your opponent gets inside it,]] although getting is nonsense, as demonstrated by [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpUcsIwW0kQ&feature=youtu.be&t=39 Matt Easton of Scholagladiatora]].) Getting inside a trained spear-user's reach without suffering crippling or fatal stab wounds is [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8RWLxlzTiM harder than one might think.]] A ''soldier'' trains to stand in line, obey orders, have discipline and not have to defend himself from more than one direction--unless his formation has crumbled, at which point he's got much larger problems than the fact that he doesn't know how to use his spear in single combat.
17th Sep '17 10:20:06 AM MrUnderhill
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** Prince Ephraim of Renais (''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones The Sacred Stones]]'') is a Lord that [[HeroesPreferSwords specializes in this]]. He later gets the lance Siegmund, one of the Renais Sacred Twins aka the holy weapons of their country; his fellow Prince Innes later brings one of the Frelian Sacred Twins, another lance known as Vidofnir.

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** Prince Ephraim of Renais (''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones The Sacred Stones]]'') is a Lord that who [[WeaponOfChoice specializes in this]], making him a notable exception to his [[HeroesPreferSwords specializes in this]].sword-wielding contemporaries]]. He later gets the lance Siegmund, one of the Renais Sacred Twins aka the holy weapons of their country; his fellow Prince Innes later brings one of the Frelian Sacred Twins, another lance known as Vidofnir.
18th Aug '17 10:38:01 AM BeerBaron
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** In universe, spears are favored weapons of [[OurGoblinsAreDifferent Goblins]] and Rieklings (goblin-like humanoid creatures native to [[GrimUpNorth Solstheim]]). In ''Morrowind'''s ''Bloodmoon'' expansion, Riekling spears are small enough to be used one-handed by the PC. In the ''Dragonborn'' expansion for ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', they can be used as ''arrows'' instead.

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** In universe, spears are favored weapons of [[OurGoblinsAreDifferent Goblins]] and Rieklings (goblin-like humanoid creatures native to [[GrimUpNorth Solstheim]]). In ''Morrowind'''s ''Bloodmoon'' expansion, Riekling spears are small enough to be used one-handed by the PC. In the ''Dragonborn'' expansion for ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', ''Skyrim'', they can be used as ''arrows'' instead.
18th Aug '17 10:37:04 AM BeerBaron
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** Spears are a weapon commonly associated with Hircine, the [[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedric Prince]] of [[EgomaniacHunter the Hunt]]. His humanoid forms are almost always depicted as wielding a spear, and he is associated with two [[LegendaryWeapon legendary artifact]] spears: The Spear of Bitter Mercy and the Spear of the Hunter.



** In universe, spears are favored weapons of [[OurGoblinsAreDifferent Goblins]] and Rieklings (goblin-like humanoid creatures native to [[GrimUpNorth Solstheim]]). In ''Morrowind'''s ''Bloodmoon'' expansion, Riekling spears are small enough to be used one-handed by the PC. In the ''Dragonborn'' expansion for ''Skyrim'', they can be used as ''arrows'' instead.

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** In universe, spears are favored weapons of [[OurGoblinsAreDifferent Goblins]] and Rieklings (goblin-like humanoid creatures native to [[GrimUpNorth Solstheim]]). In ''Morrowind'''s ''Bloodmoon'' expansion, Riekling spears are small enough to be used one-handed by the PC. In the ''Dragonborn'' expansion for ''Skyrim'', ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', they can be used as ''arrows'' instead.
18th Aug '17 7:18:22 AM kawaiineko333
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* In book one of ''VisualNovel/EndlessSummer'', Estela has what's basically a knife tied to a stick as one of these to fight a [[GiantEnemyCrab giant crab]]. It just bounces off its carapace.
7th Jul '17 5:16:16 PM SomberCaelifera
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* Some of the members of the [[NunTooHoly Sisterhood Of Karn]] in Series/DoctorWho carry what look like [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naginata naginata]].



* The Royal Guards of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' tend to carry spears. The fact that quadruped creatures without opposable thumbs are given such a weapon is [[FridgeLogic likely a large contributing factor]] to why they get [[MilitariesAreUseless their clocks completely cleaned]] by each and every threat that rears it's head in Equestria.

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* The Royal Guards of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' tend to carry spears. The fact that quadruped creatures without opposable thumbs are given such a weapon is [[FridgeLogic likely a large contributing factor]] to why they get [[MilitariesAreUseless their clocks completely cleaned]] by each and every threat that rears it's its head in Equestria.
5th Jul '17 8:12:45 AM BeerBaron
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* ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' possesses spear weapons, most of which are most effective with a thrust attack, averting the 'spear slash' notion. Some spears like Naginitas and Glaives are different in that they are most effective with a slash effect. These are notably missing from the sequels, ''Oblivion'' and ''Skyrim'', though, to the lament of many.
** On the PC front, several modders have attempted to rectify this problem with varying degrees of success - the largest issue being that "proper" polearm animations, especially stabbing ones, don't exist in the shipped versions of ''Oblivion'' or ''Skyrim''. This means that modders either have to add their own animations, which is a difficult and time-consuming proposition, or polearms just get swung like other two-handers, which works well enough for "poleaxes" but tends to look a bit goofy for spears.
** Interestingly, recent datamining of ''Skyrim'' patch files has revealed that spear animations were added to the game, possibly for use in future DLC.
** The ''Dragonborn'' DLC introduces Rieklings, small goblin-like creatures that wield spears.

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* ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]''
possesses spear weapons, most of which are most effective with a thrust attack, averting the 'spear slash' notion. Some spears like Naginitas spear-like weapons (still based off the Spear skill) such as Halberds and Glaives Poleaxes are different in that they are most effective with a slash effect. These are notably missing from the sequels, ''Oblivion'' ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'' and ''Skyrim'', ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', though, to the lament of many.
**
many. On the PC front, several modders have attempted to rectify this problem with varying degrees of success - the largest issue being that "proper" polearm animations, especially stabbing ones, don't exist in the shipped versions of ''Oblivion'' or ''Skyrim''. This means that modders either have to add their own animations, which is a difficult and time-consuming proposition, or polearms just get swung like other two-handers, which works well enough for "poleaxes" but tends to look a bit goofy for spears.
spears.
** Interestingly, recent datamining In universe, spears are favored weapons of ''Skyrim'' patch files has revealed that spear animations were added [[OurGoblinsAreDifferent Goblins]] and Rieklings (goblin-like humanoid creatures native to [[GrimUpNorth Solstheim]]). In ''Morrowind'''s ''Bloodmoon'' expansion, Riekling spears are small enough to be used one-handed by the game, possibly for use in future DLC.
** The
PC. In the ''Dragonborn'' DLC introduces Rieklings, small goblin-like creatures that wield spears.expansion for ''Skyrim'', they can be used as ''arrows'' instead.
18th Jun '17 3:37:22 PM NightShade96
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* In the DefenseOfTheAncients series, Huskar uses throwing spears like Rambo, in the original of DOTA Huskar used the model of a Darkspear Berserker.

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* In the DefenseOfTheAncients series, The ''VideoGame/DefenseOfTheAncients'' series:
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Huskar uses throwing spears like Rambo, in the original of DOTA Huskar used the model of a Darkspear Berserker.
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