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6th May '17 9:38:10 PM The08MetroidMan
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* Shinn Asuka's greatest problem in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'' is his inability to accept shades of grey. He's not exactly insane as opposed to being highly unstable as, unlike other examples of the troupe though, it isn't even that he can't see introspection - it's that he just doesn't ''want'' to. By the finale though, he has definitely gone off the deep end, being willing to defend a KillSat about to destroy an entire country - one that he's decided to be pure evil simply because they're opposing his side (the fact that he was until recently a native citizen of said country ''actually fuels this belief'').

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* Shinn Asuka's greatest problem in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'' is his inability to accept shades of grey. He's not exactly insane as opposed to being highly unstable as, unlike other examples of the troupe though, troupe, it isn't even that he can't see introspection - it's that he just doesn't ''want'' to. By the finale though, he has definitely gone off the deep end, being willing to defend a KillSat about to destroy an entire country - one that he's decided to be pure evil simply because they're opposing his side (the fact that he was until recently a native citizen of said country ''actually fuels this belief'').


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* As per the quote above, this is played with for Garrus Vakarian in ''VideoGame/MassEffect'' and ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'', both of which portray him as someone who thinks along these lines before he finally mellows out in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3.''
** In the first game, he was someone who saw lawbreakers as people who needed to be put down, with his entire reason for joining Shepard to stop Saren being simply to kill the latter on principle. His introduction has him risking a civilian's life to snap-kill a thug, [[spoiler:and his backstory reveals that'd he'd once advised a transport of civilian hostages be destroyed in order to stop one criminal, willing to write them all off as necessary losses purely because they were in the way]]. Shepard can choose to reinforce or reprimand this behavior, but it won't change who he is at his core; only get him to accept another way of doing things is possible.
** In the second game, he's slid further into this after seeing all the political hogwash on the Citadel in response to (or rather denial of) the Reaper threat, heading to Omega purely because of how easily he could find lawbreakers - and he not only didn't hesitate to kill ''anyone'' who broke the law (be they legally-enforced or just unspoken edict), but he sometimes gave them rather cruel or ironic deaths in line with what crimes they comitted. As before, Shepard can work to either encourage or discourage this behavior, with a Paragon Shepard (who themselves arguably classes as a LawfulGood AntiHero by this point via association with Cerberus) being particularly disturbed by Garrus' more ruthless behavior.
6th May '17 9:25:18 PM The08MetroidMan
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* Shinn Asuka's greatest problem is ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'' is his inability to accept shades of grey. He's not exactly insane, but he's certainly highly unstable. Unlike other examples of the troupe though, it isn't even that he can't see introspection - it's that he doesn't ''want'' to. By the finale though, he has definitely gone off the deep end, being willing to defend a KillSat about to destroy an entire country because he believes that country to be pure evil just because they're opposing his side (the fact that he was until recently a native citizen of said country ''actually fuels this belief'').
** Shinn's mess of anger issues are the root cause of this way of thinking; or rather ''lack'' of thinking. He's not an inherently bad kid, but he is too HotBlooded for his own good. Moreover, his "we're good, everyone else is bad" mentality is largely self-enforced to allow him to justify clinging to the vengeful anger that's kept him going all this time, because not only is it his best weapon in battle but it's also the only thing he really has left to give him any purpose in life.

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* Shinn Asuka's greatest problem is in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'' is his inability to accept shades of grey. He's not exactly insane, but he's certainly insane as opposed to being highly unstable. Unlike unstable as, unlike other examples of the troupe though, it isn't even that he can't see introspection - it's that he just doesn't ''want'' to. By the finale though, he has definitely gone off the deep end, being willing to defend a KillSat about to destroy an entire country because he believes - one that country he's decided to be pure evil just simply because they're opposing his side (the fact that he was until recently a native citizen of said country ''actually fuels this belief'').
** Shinn's mess of anger issues are the root cause of this way of thinking; or rather ''lack'' of thinking. He's not an inherently bad kid, but he is ''is'' too HotBlooded for his own good. Moreover, his "we're good, everyone else is bad" mentality is implied to largely self-enforced self-enforced, so as to allow him to justify clinging to the vengeful anger that's kept him going all this time, time. This is because not only is it that anger his best weapon in battle battle, but it's also the only thing he really has left to give him any purpose in life.
5th May '17 11:59:13 PM The08MetroidMan
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* Shinn Asuka's greatest problem is ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'' is his inability to see or accept shades of grey. He's not exactly insane, but he's certainly highly unstable. By the finale though, he has definitely gone off the deep end, being willing to defend a KillSat about to destroy an entire country because he believes that country to be pure evil (the fact that he was until recently a native citizen of said country ''actually fuels this belief'').
** Shinn's mess of anger issues are the root cause of this way of thinking; or rather ''lack'' of thinking. He's not a bad kid, really, just too HotBlooded for his own good.

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* Shinn Asuka's greatest problem is ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny'' is his inability to see or accept shades of grey. grey. He's not exactly insane, but he's certainly highly unstable. Unlike other examples of the troupe though, it isn't even that he can't see introspection - it's that he doesn't ''want'' to. By the finale though, he has definitely gone off the deep end, being willing to defend a KillSat about to destroy an entire country because he believes that country to be pure evil just because they're opposing his side (the fact that he was until recently a native citizen of said country ''actually fuels this belief'').
** Shinn's mess of anger issues are the root cause of this way of thinking; or rather ''lack'' of thinking. He's not a an inherently bad kid, really, just but he is too HotBlooded for his own good.good. Moreover, his "we're good, everyone else is bad" mentality is largely self-enforced to allow him to justify clinging to the vengeful anger that's kept him going all this time, because not only is it his best weapon in battle but it's also the only thing he really has left to give him any purpose in life.
2nd May '17 1:23:15 PM Psyclone
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--> '''Rorschach''': Never compromise! Not even in the face of Armageddon.

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--> '''Rorschach''': Never compromise! No. Not even in the face of Armageddon. ''Never compromise.''
8th Mar '17 1:24:59 PM ironballs16
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': In ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', Anakin Skywalker slowly becomes more and more deluded that all opponents of [[BigBad Chancellor Palpatine]] are enemies of the Republic, culminating in him [[InvokedTrope declaring a]] WithUsOrAgainstUs to his former mentor.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'': In ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', Anakin Skywalker slowly becomes more and more deluded that all opponents of [[BigBad Chancellor Palpatine]] are enemies of the Republic, culminating in him [[InvokedTrope declaring a]] WithUsOrAgainstUs to his former mentor. Obi-wan retorts by saying "Only Sith deal in absolutes", which might also function as this trope.
1st Mar '17 6:06:10 AM CombativeBoil
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* ''Franchise/MegamiTensei'': By the end any games in the main series, both the [[ChaoticEvil Chaos]] and [[LawfulEvil Law]] factions will have degenerated into this. Don't much care for a WorldOfSilence? Then [[SophisticatedAsHell get thine ass hence]], [[YeOldeButcheredEnglish for thou art a ]] [[{{Greed}} greedy]], [[BloodKnight war-mongering]] {{Jerkass}} [[ItsAllAboutMe that placeth his own whims before the needs of thy fellow man's]]! Think that [[TheSocialDarwinist a world of social darwinism]] where MightMakesRight isn't your thing? Then [[PrecisionFStrike FUCK YOU]], you [[HolierThanThou goody-good]], [[LesCollaborateurs backstabbing]] [[ARealManIsAKiller peace-lover]]!

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* ''Franchise/MegamiTensei'': By the end of any of the games in the main series, both the [[ChaoticEvil Chaos]] and [[LawfulEvil Law]] factions will have degenerated into this. Don't much care for a WorldOfSilence? Then [[SophisticatedAsHell get thine ass hence]], [[YeOldeButcheredEnglish for thou art a ]] [[{{Greed}} greedy]], [[BloodKnight war-mongering]] {{Jerkass}} [[ItsAllAboutMe that placeth his own whims before the needs of thy fellow man's]]! Think that [[TheSocialDarwinist a world of social darwinism]] where MightMakesRight isn't your thing? Then [[PrecisionFStrike FUCK YOU]], you [[HolierThanThou goody-good]], [[LesCollaborateurs backstabbing]] [[ARealManIsAKiller peace-lover]]!
24th Feb '17 8:23:55 PM RappaR
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** Wrong. He first assures, that in current codex commited crime can be punished by death, otherwise it would be law breaking commited by himself. He just always picks the most severe option.
9th Feb '17 3:13:56 PM Flame
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* [[TheCynic Shijima]] [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Gou]] from ''Series/KamenRiderDrive'' has all Roidmudes classified as pure evil and most of time he is pretty close. Enter Chase, their NobleDemon top hitman. As if that was not bad enough, Gou soon learns that [[MySisterIsOffLimits his sister]] maybe in love with him. He loses a few marbles afterwards.
6th Feb '17 8:25:34 PM kome360
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** [[spoiler:Turns out demons "cursed" him a millennia ago]]. It's not confirmed if that is the main cause of his insanity, but it probably prevented him from getting psychological help.
6th Feb '17 8:18:51 PM kome360
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** To complicate things further, one of the scientists at the organization has a theory about her black and white insanity: she had to develop such a twisted view of the world or she would have awoken much sooner; [[spoiler:the secret to cultivating a strong Awakening involves a contradiction of self hate. Claymores hate Yoma, which are fueled by stress (and human entrails), but Claymores ARE part Yoma. Thus, the more they hate the Yoma and themselves, the more stress they develop, and the more inner power they can possess when they awaken. Priscilla in particular had the perceptive skill to realize that when she killed the Yoma that looked like her father, it actually ''was'' her father, then resorted to cannibalism on her father's corpse to survive (she was quarantined and everyone assumed she was a Yoma who killed her family). From there, she deluded herself into thinking that she was raped by an evil Yoma instead because the truth can basically be summed up as "your father was driven insane and wanted to kill eat you, and then ''you'' killed him and ate him and went insane'' and that is basically stress city]]. Yeesh.

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** To complicate things further, one of the scientists at the organization has a theory about her black and white insanity: she had to develop such a twisted view of the world or she would have awoken much sooner; [[spoiler:the secret to cultivating a strong Awakening involves a contradiction of self hate. Claymores hate Yoma, which are fueled by stress (and human entrails), but Claymores ARE part Yoma. Thus, the more they hate the Yoma and themselves, the more stress they develop, and the more inner power they can possess when they awaken. Priscilla in particular had the perceptive skill to realize that when she killed the Yoma that looked like her father, it actually ''was'' her father, then resorted to cannibalism on her father's corpse to survive (she was quarantined and everyone assumed she was a Yoma who killed her family). From there, she deluded herself into thinking that she was raped by an evil Yoma instead because the truth can basically be summed up as "your father was driven insane and wanted to kill you and eat you, and then ''you'' killed him and ate him and went were driven insane'' and that is basically stress city]]. Yeesh.
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