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23rd Jan '16 9:29:49 PM nombretomado
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* Meursault in ''TheStranger''. It never occurs to him to lie, even to save his own life. Why would his life need saving? Oh, because he's facing the death penalty for having shot a man. For no reason. Unless "the sun was bright" counts as a reason.
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* Meursault in ''TheStranger''.''Literature/TheStranger''. It never occurs to him to lie, even to save his own life. Why would his life need saving? Oh, because he's facing the death penalty for having shot a man. For no reason. Unless "the sun was bright" counts as a reason.
17th Jan '16 9:41:11 PM azul120
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* In ''Literature/DragonBones'', the nobleman Haverness is known for his honesty. He's the last one who would be told about a revolution against the king, as he takes his oaths so seriously that he'd be sure to betray all the plans immediately. However, the king is stupid enough to not take into account that he himself has accepted responsibility for the protection of the nobles who have sworn allegiance to him. And Haverness' loyalty is not only to the king, but also to the people under ''his'' protection. [[spoiler:A revolution takes place, with the justification of ScrewTheRulesTheyBrokeThemFirst.]]
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* In ''Literature/DragonBones'', the nobleman Haverness is known for his honesty. He's the last one who would be told about a revolution against the king, as he takes his oaths so seriously that he'd be sure to betray all the plans immediately. However, the king is stupid enough to not take into account that he himself has accepted responsibility for the protection of the nobles who have sworn allegiance to him. And Haverness' loyalty is not only to the king, but also to the people under ''his'' protection. [[spoiler:A revolution takes place, with the justification of ScrewTheRulesTheyBrokeThemFirst.]]ScrewTheRulesTheyBrokeThemFirst]]
17th Jan '16 9:39:36 PM azul120
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* More than once, {{Franchise/Batman}} has had to keep facts from, and even ''lie'' to Superman or the other members of the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}, because he believes they are too idealistic to do what sometimes needs to be done. Notice that he never looks down on them for being that way (DependingOnTheWriter.) More often than not, he values their idealism, but since he sees himself as already damaged goods, he combines SilentScapegoat, BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork, and IDidWhatIHadToDo
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* More than once, {{Franchise/Batman}} Franchise/{{Batman}} has had to keep facts from, and even ''lie'' to Superman or the other members of the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}, League|OfAmerica}}, because he believes they are too idealistic to do what sometimes needs to be done. Notice that he never looks down on them for being that way (DependingOnTheWriter.) (DependingOnTheWriter). More often than not, he values their idealism, but since he sees himself as already damaged goods, he combines SilentScapegoat, BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork, and IDidWhatIHadToDoIDidWhatIHadToDo.

** It comes back to bite him when she trades him for Will. When Barbossa objects because Jack is a Pirate Lord, she simply responds, "King."
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** It comes back to bite him when she trades him for Will. When Barbossa objects because Jack is a Pirate Lord, she simply responds, "King.""King".



* In ''Literature/DragonBones'', the nobleman Haverness is known for his honesty. He's the last one who would be told about a revolution against the king, as he takes his oaths so seriously that he'd be sure to betray all the plans immediately. However, the king is stupid enough to not take into account that he himself has accepted responsibility for the protection of the nobles who have sworn allegiance to him. And Haverness' loyalty is not only to the king, but also to the people under ''his'' protection. [[spoiler: A revolution takes place, with the justification of ScrewTheRulesTheyBrokeThemFirst]]
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* In ''Literature/DragonBones'', the nobleman Haverness is known for his honesty. He's the last one who would be told about a revolution against the king, as he takes his oaths so seriously that he'd be sure to betray all the plans immediately. However, the king is stupid enough to not take into account that he himself has accepted responsibility for the protection of the nobles who have sworn allegiance to him. And Haverness' loyalty is not only to the king, but also to the people under ''his'' protection. [[spoiler: A [[spoiler:A revolution takes place, with the justification of ScrewTheRulesTheyBrokeThemFirst]]ScrewTheRulesTheyBrokeThemFirst.]]

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24th Sep '15 1:32:18 AM MechWarrior
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* Suzaku of ''CodeGeass'' - because of his idealism, he acquires a major case of ChronicBackstabbingDisorder.
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* Suzaku of ''CodeGeass'' ''Anime/CodeGeass'' - because of his idealism, he acquires a major case of ChronicBackstabbingDisorder.

* Tenma from ''Anime/{{Monster}}'' is deemed untrustworthy by his director for choosing to operate on the patient who came first, as opposed to the patient off of whom he'd profit more. * Nao Kanzaki starts the ''LiarGame'' described accurately as "Foolishly Honest," meaning she expects everyone else to be just as honest as she is by nature. As the Game progresses however, Nao begins to prove herself perfectly capable of deception, and manages several [[Awesome/AnimeAndManga Crowning Moments of Awesome]] through it. In fact, her lies have frequently ''relied'' on people being aware of her honest nature, since no one stops to think ''she'' might be lying. * Tamiya attempts to wrest back control of the LitchiHikariClub from Zeera once the group approaches the MoralEventHorizon. Very fittingly, his epithet is "Bullet of Truth" and he is often shown as the most obviously upstanding member of the nine. * [[spoiler:Hakuryuu]] from ''Manga/MagiLabyrinthOfMagic'' is very honorable, started the story as very naive and his Djinn describes him as "painfully honest". He's also a KnightTemplar with BlackAndWhiteInsanity who only cares for his last remaining sibling and it's unable to let his hatred behind.
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* Tenma from ''Anime/{{Monster}}'' ''Manga/{{Monster}}'' is deemed untrustworthy by his director for choosing to operate on the patient who came first, as opposed to the patient off of whom he'd profit more. * Nao Kanzaki starts the ''LiarGame'' ''Manga/LiarGame'' described accurately as "Foolishly Honest," meaning she expects everyone else to be just as honest as she is by nature. As the Game progresses however, Nao begins to prove herself perfectly capable of deception, and manages several [[Awesome/AnimeAndManga Crowning Moments of Awesome]] through it. In fact, her lies have frequently ''relied'' on people being aware of her honest nature, since no one stops to think ''she'' might be lying. * Tamiya attempts to wrest back control of the LitchiHikariClub Manga/LitchiHikariClub from Zeera once the group approaches the MoralEventHorizon. Very fittingly, his epithet is "Bullet of Truth" and he is often shown as the most obviously upstanding member of the nine. * [[spoiler:Hakuryuu]] from ''Manga/MagiLabyrinthOfMagic'' is very honorable, started the story as very naive and his Djinn describes him as "painfully honest". He's also a KnightTemplar with BlackAndWhiteInsanity who only cares for his last remaining sibling and it's unable to let leave his hatred behind.

** It comes back to bite him when she trades him for Will. When Barbosa objects because Jack is a Pirate Lord, she simply responds, "King."
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** It comes back to bite him when she trades him for Will. When Barbosa Barbossa objects because Jack is a Pirate Lord, she simply responds, "King."

** [[spoiler:In a [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome perfectly legal ritual duel]], no less, and [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt gets Valda's rank and Blademaster status afterwards]].]] * Adviser Arfarra from Yulia Latynina's ''WeiEmpire'' cycle might fit - while almost the entire Weian establishment is either corrupt or negligent, Arfarra is neither, but is instead a truly ruthless (but consistently, if not obviously idealistic) KnightTemplar who has been described as being "capable of ''anything'' in matters that ''didn't'' affect his own interests" (as opposed to the character that described him thusly, who is capable of anything in matters that ''did'').
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** [[spoiler:In a [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome perfectly legal ritual duel]], no less, and [[YouKillItYouBoughtIt gets Valda's rank and Blademaster status afterwards]].]] * Adviser Arfarra from Yulia Latynina's ''WeiEmpire'' ''Literature/WeiEmpire'' cycle might fit - while almost the entire Weian establishment is either corrupt or negligent, Arfarra is neither, but is instead a truly ruthless (but consistently, if not obviously idealistic) KnightTemplar who has been described as being "capable of ''anything'' in matters that ''didn't'' affect his own interests" (as opposed to the character that described him thusly, who is capable of anything in matters that ''did'').

* Michael in ''PrisonBreak''. Linc knows he is going to be executed but at least he has the satisfaction of knowing that Michael went to college and will have a good life. Except not because Michael cannot let Linc die for a crime he didn't commit so he gets himself sent to prison on purpose to rescue him.
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* Michael in ''PrisonBreak''.''Series/PrisonBreak''. Linc knows he is going to be executed but at least he has the satisfaction of knowing that Michael went to college and will have a good life. Except not because Michael cannot let Linc die for a crime he didn't commit so he gets himself sent to prison on purpose to rescue him.
31st Aug '15 2:23:51 AM WillBGood
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* In ''Literature/DragonBones'', the nobleman Haverness is known for his honesty. He's the last one who would be told about a revolution against the king, as he takes his oaths so seriously that he'd be sure to betray all the plans immediately. However, the king is stupid enough to not take into account that he himself has accepted responsibility for the protection of the nobles who have sworn allegiance to him. And Haverness' loyalty is not only to the king, but also to the people under ''his'' protection. [[spoiler: A revolution takes place, with the justification of ScrewTheRulesYouBrokeThemFirst]]
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* In ''Literature/DragonBones'', the nobleman Haverness is known for his honesty. He's the last one who would be told about a revolution against the king, as he takes his oaths so seriously that he'd be sure to betray all the plans immediately. However, the king is stupid enough to not take into account that he himself has accepted responsibility for the protection of the nobles who have sworn allegiance to him. And Haverness' loyalty is not only to the king, but also to the people under ''his'' protection. [[spoiler: A revolution takes place, with the justification of ScrewTheRulesYouBrokeThemFirst]]ScrewTheRulesTheyBrokeThemFirst]]
30th Aug '15 8:21:07 PM shonengirl
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Even in a series where the characters aren't traditionally good or evil, [[TokenGoodTeammate there will be one who is an idealist]]. Perhaps they seem to have a strange compulsion [[ChaoticGood to help others even when it isn't convenient]], or perhaps they [[LawfulNeutral live by a set of principles]]. From the point of view of the others, that character will be completely untrustworthy; everyone else can be depended upon to act in their own self interest, but [[EvilCannotComprehendGood nobody can predict the idealist]], especially when they decide to [[HonorBeforeReason uphold their ideals over their own apparent self-preservation]]. This trope is a hallmark of LawfulNeutral characters of Type 2 and 3, and is a major contributor to their frequent {{Flanderization}} into LawfulStupid.
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Even in a series where the characters aren't traditionally good or evil, [[TokenGoodTeammate there will be one who is an idealist]]. Perhaps they seem to have a strange compulsion [[ChaoticGood [[ChronicHeroSyndrome to help others even when it isn't convenient]], or perhaps they [[LawfulNeutral live by a set of principles]]. From the point of view of the others, that character will be completely untrustworthy; everyone else can be depended upon to act in their own self interest, but [[EvilCannotComprehendGood nobody can predict the idealist]], especially when they decide to [[HonorBeforeReason uphold their ideals over their own apparent self-preservation]]. This trope is a hallmark of LawfulNeutral characters of Type 2 and 3, as well as ChaoticGood characters, and is a major contributor to their frequent {{Flanderization}} into LawfulStupid.
16th Jun '15 6:10:26 PM nombretomado
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* More than once, {{Franchise/Batman}} has had to keep facts from, and even ''lie'' to Superman or the other members of the JusticeLeague, because he believes they are too idealistic to do what sometimes needs to be done. Notice that he never looks down on them for being that way (DependingOnTheWriter.) More often than not, he values their idealism, but since he sees himself as already damaged goods, he combines SilentScapegoat, BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork, and IDidWhatIHadToDo
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* More than once, {{Franchise/Batman}} has had to keep facts from, and even ''lie'' to Superman or the other members of the JusticeLeague, Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}}, because he believes they are too idealistic to do what sometimes needs to be done. Notice that he never looks down on them for being that way (DependingOnTheWriter.) More often than not, he values their idealism, but since he sees himself as already damaged goods, he combines SilentScapegoat, BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork, and IDidWhatIHadToDo
28th Mar '15 8:44:28 AM StriatedHeron
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** It is later implied that that may also have been part of his elaborate scheme in the long shot, since [[spoiler:he was the one to bring Beckett there by giving Will his compass and pushing him off.]] This being Jack Sparrow, it is hard to tell at first.
24th Mar '15 8:08:57 AM ChaoticNovelist
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Villain Ball does not exist in real life
* The Business Plot, a reported conspiracy that intended to overthrow the American government in 1933 and install a fascist dictatorship, supposedly fell victim to this when the conspirators chose Marine Major General [[EmbarrassingFirstName Smedley]] Darlington Butler to lead the coup. Butler instead chose to reveal the plot to the government, which fairly quickly brought an end to the conspiracy. You have to wonder how serious a plot it was [[VillainBall to choose Butler]] since he had become famous for making radio addresses where he admitted he was ashamed of serving in the military and how it was used as a pro-business tool by the government. "Al Capone operated in three city wards. My Marines operated on three continents." He also was a socialist and had campaigned for the president he was expected to overthrow. ** They probably picked him because he was the commanding officer of the force that was ordered to crack down on the Bonus Army, a group of impoverished UsefulNotes/WW1 veterans who were rendered homeless and jobless by the Great Depression, camped out on the national mall in Washington DC to request that the government pay them their support bonuses a bit earlier than initially agreed to, citing the hardship of the Great Depression as the reason they needed help more immediately. The particularly ''brutal'' crackdown against the bonus army was cited as a major factor sealing the fate of Herbert Hoover's reputation, but was part of what '''endeared''' Hoover to the conspirators of the Business Plot. They probably figured since Butler led that crackdown, he would be a natural choice for their plans. Fortunately for the nation, they figured wrongly. ** Perhaps Butler was just GenreSavvy enough to realize he wouldn't get away with it. Everyone [[IncrediblyLamePun already knows]] that TheButlerDidIt. * Any whistle-blower in a RealLife case of corruption in any organization. Most of them prove to be truly honest people stuck in a bad situation, trying to reveal criminal misdeeds in order to save people and bring the corrupt figures to justice. Problem is, most whistle-blowers end up suffering afterward - even with whistle-blower protection laws in place - because most people are biased against "snitches".
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* The Business Plot, a reported conspiracy that intended to overthrow the American government in 1933 and install a fascist dictatorship, supposedly fell victim to this when the conspirators chose Marine Major General [[EmbarrassingFirstName Smedley]] Darlington Butler to lead the coup. Butler instead chose to reveal the plot to the government, which fairly quickly brought an end to the conspiracy. You have to wonder how serious a plot it was [[VillainBall to choose Butler]] since he had become famous for making radio addresses where he admitted he was ashamed of serving in the military and how it was used as a pro-business tool by the government. "Al Capone operated in three city wards. My Marines operated on three continents." He also was a socialist and had campaigned for the president he was expected to overthrow. ** They probably picked him because he was the commanding officer of the force that was ordered to crack down on the Bonus Army, a group of impoverished UsefulNotes/WW1 veterans who were rendered homeless and jobless by the Great Depression, camped out on the national mall in Washington DC to request that the government pay them their support bonuses a bit earlier than initially agreed to, citing the hardship of the Great Depression as the reason they needed help more immediately. The particularly ''brutal'' crackdown against the bonus army was cited as a major factor sealing the fate of Herbert Hoover's reputation, but was part of what '''endeared''' Hoover to the conspirators of the Business Plot. They probably figured since Butler led that crackdown, he would be a natural choice for their plans. Fortunately for the nation, they figured wrongly. ** Perhaps wrongly. Then agian, maybe Butler was just GenreSavvy enough to realize he wouldn't get away with it. Everyone [[IncrediblyLamePun already knows]] that TheButlerDidIt. * Any whistle-blower in a RealLife case of corruption in any organization. Most of them prove to be truly honest people stuck in a bad situation, trying to reveal criminal misdeeds in order to save people and bring the corrupt figures to justice. Problem The problem is, most whistle-blowers end up suffering afterward - even with whistle-blower protection laws in place - because most people are biased against "snitches".
24th Mar '15 8:06:29 AM ChaoticNovelist
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* More than once, {{Franchise/Batman}} has had to keep facts from, and even ''lie'' to Superman or the other members of the JusticeLeague, because he believes they are too idealistic to do what sometimes needs to be done. Notice that he never looks down on them for being that way, however (DependingOnTheWriter.) More often than not, he values their idealism, but since he sees himself as already damaged goods, he combines SilentScapegoat, BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork, and IDidWhatIHadToDo
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* More than once, {{Franchise/Batman}} has had to keep facts from, and even ''lie'' to Superman or the other members of the JusticeLeague, because he believes they are too idealistic to do what sometimes needs to be done. Notice that he never looks down on them for being that way, however way (DependingOnTheWriter.) More often than not, he values their idealism, but since he sees himself as already damaged goods, he combines SilentScapegoat, BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork, and IDidWhatIHadToDo

* Carrot from the Literature/{{Discworld}} Watch novels frequently triumphs because he is so honest and straightforward that the scheming, backstabbing people of Ankh-Morpork don't know how to deal with him. (Being strong enough to knock out a troll in a bar fight helps too...) Later on he acquires a good dose of cunning but [[ObfuscatingStupidity maintains the image.]] ** He's still scrupulously honest - in ''Discworld/MenAtArms'' he's trying to get some information out of a Guild leader, and tells him, with a very serious air, that if the guildmaster doesn't do what he wants, he will, unfortunately and very much against his will, be forced to "carry out the order I was given just before entering." Said order? To leave quietly if the guildmaster refused to help. However, the guildmaster assumes it to be more along the lines of "break a few arms" and, in a panic, relents.
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* Carrot from the Literature/{{Discworld}} Watch novels frequently triumphs because he is so honest and straightforward that the scheming, backstabbing people of Ankh-Morpork don't know how to deal with him. (Being strong enough to knock out a troll in a bar fight helps too...) Later on he acquires a good dose of cunning but [[ObfuscatingStupidity maintains the image.]] ** He's still scrupulously honest image]] and scrupulous honesty - in ''Discworld/MenAtArms'' he's trying to get some information out of a Guild leader, and tells him, with a very serious air, that if the guildmaster doesn't do what he wants, he will, unfortunately and very much against his will, be forced to "carry out the order I was given just before entering." Said order? To leave quietly if the guildmaster refused to help. However, the guildmaster assumes it to be more along the lines of "break a few arms" and, in a panic, relents.

* Played with a bit by Radical Honesty practitioner Eli Loker in ''Series/LieToMe''. He's mostly harmless, just a little annoying. ** However he veers into HonorBeforeReason when he ensures a con artist is exposed and brought to justice, despite knowing that that this will mean the pensioners he stole from will not get their money back.
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* Played with a bit by Radical Honesty practitioner Eli Loker in ''Series/LieToMe''. He's mostly harmless, just a little annoying. ** However he veers into HonorBeforeReason when he ensures a con artist is exposed and brought to justice, despite knowing that that this will mean the pensioners he stole from will not get their money back.

* The Reverend Darren Englund, in the Literature/WhateleyUniverse stories. He's so idealistic and so concerned about protecting the planet from demonic threats that he hires assassins to kill a ''schoolgirl'', which leads to an invasion of the SuperheroSchool Whateley Academy. On the other hand, the girl in question ''is'' prophesied to become The Kellith, whose spawn will wipe humans from the earth... ** Interestingly enough, before the incident, she had already killed her own future self, theoretically negating that possibility. Also, if anything would make Kellith go evil, the stuff this guy does would. ** However, considering his 'hate-filled sermons', he might just be a straight-out KnightTemplar. Him helping to rescue Kerry in "Angel in Father John's Basement" helps, though.
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* The Reverend Darren Englund, in the Literature/WhateleyUniverse stories. He's so idealistic and so concerned about protecting the planet from demonic threats that he hires assassins to kill a ''schoolgirl'', which leads to an invasion of the SuperheroSchool Whateley Academy. On the other hand, the girl in question ''is'' prophesied to become The Kellith, whose spawn will wipe humans from the earth... ** earth. Interestingly enough, before the incident, she had already killed her own future self, theoretically negating that possibility. Also, if anything would make Kellith go evil, the stuff this guy does would. ** However, considering would. Considering his 'hate-filled sermons', he might just be a straight-out KnightTemplar. Him helping to rescue Kerry in "Angel in Father John's Basement" helps, though. helps.
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