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13th May '18 12:53:40 PM Rodrigokun
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3rd Apr '18 6:40:30 PM CH4S
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* In ''[[VideoGame/SurvivingMars Surviving Mars]]'', one of the original [[https://survivingmars.paradoxwikis.com/Mission_Sponsor mission sponsors]] is the "Church of the New Ark". All colonists will have the religious trait, ensuring that suicides don't happen. The downside of choosing this sponsor is that it does not provide any sponsor research from back on Earth - all your research must come from Mars.
30th Mar '18 10:24:42 PM Madd
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* [[OlderThanTheyThink Surprisingly,]] the Greek philosopher Celsus seemed to hold this view, making it OlderThanFeudalism, trying to prove that Christians were all a bunch of uneducated Roman-Empire-Equivalent-of-Hicks. Though since he valued the traditional Roman religion, in his case it wasn't this as much as [[ValuesDissonance Belief In Christianity Makes You Stupid]]. Notably, he used this as an argument for why [[ValuesDissonance Christians should be eradicated from the face of the Earth.]] It must also be noted that we only know Celsus' views from quotes of his writings made by Origen, a Christian whom he debated in print.
27th Feb '18 8:29:16 PM Ninamarie124
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9th Jan '18 11:53:32 AM Peteman
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** The aesop of the episodes "[[Recap/SouthParkS10E12GoGodGo Go God Go]]" and "[[Recap/SouthParkS10E13GoGodGoXII Go God Go XII]]" is that religion or not, humanity (and sentient otterdom) will [[SillyReasonForWar still find petty reasons]] [[HumansKillWantonly to murder each other]].

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** The aesop of the episodes "[[Recap/SouthParkS10E12GoGodGo Go God Go]]" and "[[Recap/SouthParkS10E13GoGodGoXII Go God Go XII]]" is that religion or not, humanity (and sentient sapient otterdom) will [[SillyReasonForWar still find petty reasons]] [[HumansKillWantonly to murder each other]].
6th Jan '18 10:13:48 PM nombretomado
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** On the other hand, ''Babylon 5'' averts this trope more often than your typical Space Opera TV show, for instance including an entire order of Catholic monks who stay on the station for a season to learn more about alien religions, who are never depicted as either unintelligent or deluded. Indeed, nearly all shades of belief (and nonbelief) tend to get a fair shake on the show. Pretty impressive, considering series creator JMichaelStraczynski is a staunch atheist.

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** On the other hand, ''Babylon 5'' averts this trope more often than your typical Space Opera TV show, for instance including an entire order of Catholic monks who stay on the station for a season to learn more about alien religions, who are never depicted as either unintelligent or deluded. Indeed, nearly all shades of belief (and nonbelief) tend to get a fair shake on the show. Pretty impressive, considering series creator JMichaelStraczynski Creator/JMichaelStraczynski is a staunch atheist.
6th Jan '18 9:42:40 PM sgamer82
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* Literature/FatherBrown’s general appearance [[ObfuscatingStupidity made him look dumb to everyone]], but this trope is continually applied to him by the fact that he is a Catholic priest: A lot of people in his stories (''The Blue Cross, The Flying Stars, The Hammer of God, The Eye of Apollo'') constantly make the wrong assumption that a priest is a celibate simpleton unaware that in RealLife a priest must study philosophy and theology precisely to defend his beliefs helped by logic, and the fact of hearing a lot of people confessing sins to him gives him an interesting perspective about reality. {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in The Blue Cross when he explains to MasterOfDisguise GentlemanThief Flambeau how he discovered him:
--> ''"How in blazes do you know all these horrors?"'' cried Flambeau.
--> The shadow of a smile crossed the [[ObfuscatingStupidity round, simple face]] of his clerical opponent.
--> ''"'Oh, by being a celibate simpleton, I suppose,'' he said. ''Has it never struck you that a man who does next to nothing but [[{{Confessional}} hear men's real sins]] is not likely to be wholly unaware of human evil? But, as a matter of fact, another part of my trade, too, made me sure you weren't a priest."''
--> ''"What?"'' asked the thief, almost gaping.
--> ''"You attacked reason,"'' said Father Brown. ''[[WhatAnIdiot "It's bad theology.]]"''

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* Literature/FatherBrown’s ''Literature/FatherBrown''
** Father Brown’s
general appearance [[ObfuscatingStupidity made makes him look dumb to everyone]], but this trope is continually applied to him by the fact that he is a Catholic priest: A lot of people in his stories (''The Blue Cross, The Flying Stars, The Hammer of God, The Eye of Apollo'') constantly make the wrong assumption that a priest is a celibate simpleton unaware that in RealLife a priest must study philosophy and theology precisely to defend his beliefs helped by logic, and the fact of hearing a lot of people confessing sins to him gives him an interesting perspective about reality. {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d in The Blue Cross when he explains to MasterOfDisguise GentlemanThief Flambeau how he discovered him:
--> ---> ''"How in blazes do you know all these horrors?"'' cried Flambeau.
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Flambeau.\\
The shadow of a smile crossed the [[ObfuscatingStupidity round, simple face]] of his clerical opponent.
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opponent.\\
''"'Oh, by being a celibate simpleton, I suppose,'' he said. ''Has it never struck you that a man who does next to nothing but [[{{Confessional}} hear men's real sins]] is not likely to be wholly unaware of human evil? But, as a matter of fact, another part of my trade, too, made me sure you weren't a priest."''
-->
"''\\
''"What?"'' asked the thief, almost gaping.
-->
gaping.\\
''"You attacked reason,"'' said Father Brown. ''[[WhatAnIdiot "It's bad theology.]]"''



* In ''Literature/GoodOmens'', most of humanity appears this way. Best shown when Aziraphale gets accidentally exorcised by [[ChurchMilitant Shadwell]] and spends the next several hours body-surfing around the aether, causing nearly everyone he encounters to assume they're being inhabited by a Demon. With slight irritation, Aziraphale has to correct them that he's actually an ''Angel''.
** Aziraphale also excoriates a televangelist and his congregation for the ludicrous notion of the Rapture, pointing out that during the Final Battle, the Angels fighting in the Celestial War will simply be ''too busy'' fighting the forces of Hell to go around picking random people up. Between the Heavenly War and the War down on Earth, any human that dies in the crossfire will be considered acceptable civilian casualties and it's up to God to clean ''that'' mess up... And that's if they actually ''win''!
*** It's not really belief in general, it's just that that specific aspect (which is pretty much unique to American evangelicals) happens to be wrong.

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* In ''Literature/GoodOmens'', most ''Literature/GoodOmens:''
** Most
of humanity appears this way. Best shown when Aziraphale gets accidentally exorcised by [[ChurchMilitant Shadwell]] and spends the next several hours body-surfing around the aether, causing nearly everyone he encounters to assume they're being inhabited by a Demon. With slight irritation, Aziraphale has to correct them that he's actually an ''Angel''.
** Aziraphale also excoriates a televangelist and his congregation for the ludicrous notion of the Rapture, pointing out that during the Final Battle, the Angels fighting in the Celestial War will simply be ''too busy'' fighting the forces of Hell to go around picking random people up. Between the Heavenly War and the War down on Earth, any human that dies in the crossfire will be considered acceptable civilian casualties and it's up to God to clean ''that'' mess up... And that's if they actually ''win''!
***
''win''! It's not really belief in general, it's just that that specific aspect (which is pretty much unique to American evangelicals) happens to be wrong.
6th Jan '18 9:39:04 PM sgamer82
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* Although the Literature/{{Discworld}} novels criticize organized religion much more than belief itself, the third ''Discworld/TheScienceOfDiscworld'' book, ''Darwin's Watch'', employs this trope somewhat.
** "Somewhat" in this case meaning "If Darwin hadn't written ''Origin of the Species'', humanity would never leave the planet before it froze."
*** He doesn't just not write it; he writes a book just as convincing in the other direction and more or less ''ends science''.

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* Although the Literature/{{Discworld}} novels criticize organized religion much more than belief itself, the third ''Discworld/TheScienceOfDiscworld'' book, ''Darwin's Watch'', employs this trope somewhat.
** "Somewhat"
somewhat. "Somewhat", in this case case, meaning "If Darwin hadn't written ''Origin of the Species'', humanity would never leave the planet before it froze."
*** He
" In fact, Darwin doesn't just not write it; he it. He writes a book just as convincing in the other direction and more or less ''ends science''.
5th Jan '18 1:42:15 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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* Typical of a New Atheist, Creator/BillMaher once told a guest that being a man of faith meant he was a man who "suspends critical judgement and accepts things on no evidence. Shockingly, Maher's religious guest agreed with him, a moment so strange that [[Creator/BishopBarron a Roman Catholic Bishop]] did a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGDDKlXl488 whole video on it]].

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* Typical of a New Atheist, Creator/BillMaher once told a guest that being a man of faith meant he was a man who "suspends critical judgement and accepts things on no evidence.evidence". Shockingly, Maher's religious guest agreed with him, a moment so strange that [[Creator/BishopBarron a Roman Catholic Bishop]] did a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGDDKlXl488 whole video on it]].
12th Dec '17 11:05:32 AM BeerBaron
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