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21st Jun '17 3:03:57 AM Az_Tech341
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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' subverts this with its [[PacifistRun Pacifist Route]]. You're stuck at [[LowLevelRun level 1]] for the game if you don't kill anything (justified in-game by [[spoiler: explaining that Undertale's version of experience and levels are actually measures of how much of a cold, murderous bastard you are]]) and even random encounters become {{Puzzle Boss}}es where you have to find a way to de-escalate the situation and spare the enemy instead of killing them (all while they're trying to kill you). Even Flowey wonders how long you'll last before you give in to violence. However, all that hard work and perseverance ultimately [[EarnYourHappyEnding rewards you with the best ending in the game.]] Meanwhile, on the No Mercy run, you may smash pretty much any regular enemy in one or two hits, but the two actual bosses you face are infinitely harder and more frustrating than everything the other two runs throw at you '''combined''', so BeingEvilSucks far more than being good.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' subverts {{Subverted|Trope subverts}} this with its [[PacifistRun Pacifist Route]]. You're stuck at [[LowLevelRun level 1]] for the game if you don't kill anything (justified ([[{{Justified|Trope}} justified]] in-game by [[spoiler: explaining that Undertale's version of experience and levels are actually measures of how much of a cold, murderous bastard you are]]) and even random encounters become {{Puzzle Boss}}es where you have to find a way to de-escalate the situation and spare the enemy instead of killing them (all while they're trying to kill you). Even Flowey wonders how long you'll last before you give in to violence. However, all that hard work and perseverance ultimately [[EarnYourHappyEnding rewards you with the best ending in the game.]] game]]. Meanwhile, on the No Mercy run, you may smash pretty much any regular enemy in one or two hits, but the two actual bosses you face are infinitely incredibly harder and more frustrating than everything the other two runs throw at you '''combined''', ''combined'', so BeingEvilSucks far more than being good.
20th Jun '17 9:18:45 PM Arachnos
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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' subverts this with its [[PacifistRun Pacifist Route]]. You're stuck at [[LowLevelRun level 1]] for the game if you don't kill anything (justified in-game by [[spoiler: explaining that Undertale's version of experience and levels are actually measures of how much of a cold, murderous bastard you are]]) and even random encounters become {{Puzzle Boss}}es where you have to find a way to de-escalate the situation and spare the enemy instead of killing them (all while they're trying to kill you). Even Flowey wonders how long you'll last before you give in to violence. However, all that hard work and perseverance ultimately [[EarnYourHappyEnding rewards you with the best ending in the game.]]

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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' subverts this with its [[PacifistRun Pacifist Route]]. You're stuck at [[LowLevelRun level 1]] for the game if you don't kill anything (justified in-game by [[spoiler: explaining that Undertale's version of experience and levels are actually measures of how much of a cold, murderous bastard you are]]) and even random encounters become {{Puzzle Boss}}es where you have to find a way to de-escalate the situation and spare the enemy instead of killing them (all while they're trying to kill you). Even Flowey wonders how long you'll last before you give in to violence. However, all that hard work and perseverance ultimately [[EarnYourHappyEnding rewards you with the best ending in the game.]]]] Meanwhile, on the No Mercy run, you may smash pretty much any regular enemy in one or two hits, but the two actual bosses you face are infinitely harder and more frustrating than everything the other two runs throw at you '''combined''', so BeingEvilSucks far more than being good.
29th May '17 10:00:25 PM nombretomado
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* The titular character of ''WordGirl'' finds a hard time in having fun due to her crime fighting.

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* The titular character of ''WordGirl'' ''WesternAnimation/WordGirl'' finds a hard time in having fun due to her crime fighting.
23rd May '17 3:20:12 PM Az_Tech341
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** The Twelfth Doctor's tenure (Series 8-10) embodies this trope. Having faced so much loss in his efforts to do good (ChronicHeroSyndrome and SamaritanSyndrome) by this point in his lives, he is perhaps ''too'' determined to hold himself to his chosen name and save people. In Series 9 he ends up betrayed by [[spoiler: Ashildr/Me and the Time Lords]], who owed their lives to him -- '''and''' his companion Clara (also prone to ChronicHeroSyndrome) [[spoiler: ends up dead]] when the plan goes awry. '''And then''' he endures a torture chamber; in the aftermath, a man distinguished by compassion for others [[NoSympathy doesn't receive it]] when ''he's'' been DrivenToMadness. He becomes a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in "Hell Bent", seeking {{Revenge}} against his enemies and risking all of space and time to [[spoiler: get Clara back]]. Thankfully for everyone he repents...but RedemptionEqualsAffliction: [[spoiler: he loses her and ''crucial memories of her'' via Mind Rape]]. He has a better stretch for a while after that, but then in Series 10 the StoryArc begins when he decides to [[spoiler: not execute insane, murderous Missy]] and thus has to take TheSlowPath guarding a vault that contains [[spoiler: her, rather than her corpse]] for 1,000 years. Then five episodes in he accepts the consequences of getting his companions into deadly trouble out of his own reckless ChronicHeroSyndrome and wanderlust by saving one of their lives in a way that [[spoiler: leaves him permanently blinded]]. But as "Extremis" puts it, a '''true''' hero isn't truly good unless they're willing to stay that way [[WhatYouAreInTheDark "Without hope, without witness, without reward."]] And he ''does'' want to be a hero.

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** The Twelfth Doctor's tenure (Series 8-10) embodies this trope. Having faced so much loss in his efforts to do good (ChronicHeroSyndrome and SamaritanSyndrome) by this point in his lives, he is perhaps ''too'' determined to hold himself to his chosen name and save people. In Series 9 he ends up betrayed by [[spoiler: Ashildr/Me and the Time Lords]], Lords]] -- who owed their lives to him -- '''and''' and his companion Clara (also prone to ChronicHeroSyndrome) [[spoiler: ends up dead]] when the plan goes awry. '''And then''' ''And then'', he endures a torture chamber; in the aftermath, a man distinguished by compassion for others [[NoSympathy doesn't receive it]] when ''he's'' been DrivenToMadness. He becomes a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in "Hell Bent", seeking {{Revenge}} against his enemies and risking all of space and time to [[spoiler: get Clara back]]. Thankfully for everyone he repents... but RedemptionEqualsAffliction: [[spoiler: he loses her and ''crucial memories of her'' via Mind Rape]]. He has a better stretch for a while after that, but then in Series 10 the StoryArc begins when he decides to [[spoiler: not to execute insane, murderous Missy]] and thus has to take TheSlowPath guarding a vault that contains [[spoiler: her, rather than her corpse]] for 1,000 years. Then Then, five episodes in in, he accepts the consequences of getting his companions into deadly trouble out of his own reckless ChronicHeroSyndrome and wanderlust by saving one of their lives in a way that [[spoiler: leaves him permanently blinded]]. But But, as "Extremis" puts it, a '''true''' ''true'' hero isn't truly good unless they're willing to stay that way [[WhatYouAreInTheDark "Without hope, without witness, without reward."]] And he ''does'' want to be a hero.
23rd May '17 9:06:00 AM Sapphirea2
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** The Twelfth Doctor's StoryArc in Series 9 boils down to this trope. Having faced so much loss in his efforts to do good (ChronicHeroSyndrome and SamaritanSyndrome) by this point in his lives, he is ''too'' determined to hold himself to his chosen name and save people -- even being willing to bend the laws of time, space, life, and death to do so. In "The Girl Who Died", he faces a SadisticChoice: [[spoiler: let Ashildr die and bereave a family, or save her in a way that makes her functionally immortal]]. He rashly defies the fates and does the latter. Centuries later in "Face the Raven" [[spoiler: Ashildr traps and delivers him to the Time Lords -- ''his own people, who wouldn't exist if not for him'']]. Talk about NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished! '''Then''' his companion Clara -- also prone to ChronicHeroSyndrome --[[spoiler: ends up dead when the plan goes awry]]. '''And then''' in "Heaven Sent" [[spoiler: he willingly endures a torture chamber for her]]; in the aftermath, a man distinguished by compassion for others [[NoSympathy doesn't receive it]] when ''he's'' been DrivenToMadness. Now at the DespairEventHorizon he becomes a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in "Hell Bent", seeking {{Revenge}} against his enemies and risking all of space and time to [[spoiler: get Clara back]]. Thankfully for everyone he repents...but RedemptionEqualsAffliction: [[spoiler: he loses her and ''crucial memories of her'' via Mind Rape]]. With all to show for his trouble [[spoiler: the ability to accept loss, the means to return to Gallifrey ''someday'', and a new sonic screwdriver]], he ends the series at a loss on the personal level. Poor guy...

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** The Twelfth Doctor's StoryArc in Series 9 boils down to tenure (Series 8-10) embodies this trope. Having faced so much loss in his efforts to do good (ChronicHeroSyndrome and SamaritanSyndrome) by this point in his lives, he is perhaps ''too'' determined to hold himself to his chosen name and save people -- even being willing to bend the laws of time, space, life, and death to do so. people. In "The Girl Who Died", Series 9 he faces a SadisticChoice: ends up betrayed by [[spoiler: let Ashildr die Ashildr/Me and bereave a family, or save her in a way that makes her functionally immortal]]. He rashly defies the fates and does the latter. Centuries later in "Face the Raven" [[spoiler: Ashildr traps and delivers him to the Time Lords -- ''his own people, Lords]], who wouldn't exist if not for him'']]. Talk about NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished! '''Then''' owed their lives to him -- '''and''' his companion Clara -- also (also prone to ChronicHeroSyndrome --[[spoiler: ChronicHeroSyndrome) [[spoiler: ends up dead dead]] when the plan goes awry]]. awry. '''And then''' in "Heaven Sent" [[spoiler: he willingly endures a torture chamber for her]]; chamber; in the aftermath, a man distinguished by compassion for others [[NoSympathy doesn't receive it]] when ''he's'' been DrivenToMadness. Now at the DespairEventHorizon he He becomes a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds in "Hell Bent", seeking {{Revenge}} against his enemies and risking all of space and time to [[spoiler: get Clara back]]. Thankfully for everyone he repents...but RedemptionEqualsAffliction: [[spoiler: he loses her and ''crucial memories of her'' via Mind Rape]]. With all to show He has a better stretch for his trouble a while after that, but then in Series 10 the StoryArc begins when he decides to [[spoiler: not execute insane, murderous Missy]] and thus has to take TheSlowPath guarding a vault that contains [[spoiler: her, rather than her corpse]] for 1,000 years. Then five episodes in he accepts the ability to accept loss, the means to return to Gallifrey ''someday'', consequences of getting his companions into deadly trouble out of his own reckless ChronicHeroSyndrome and wanderlust by saving one of their lives in a new sonic screwdriver]], way that [[spoiler: leaves him permanently blinded]]. But as "Extremis" puts it, a '''true''' hero isn't truly good unless they're willing to stay that way [[WhatYouAreInTheDark "Without hope, without witness, without reward."]] And he ends the series at ''does'' want to be a loss on the personal level. Poor guy...hero.
20th May '17 11:22:59 PM Nintendoman01
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** Vegeta was a firm believer in this prior to the end of the Buu Saga. Having settled down on Earth and formed a family, he saw [[VirtueIsWeakness his newfound virtues as a weakness]], and deliberately allows Babidi to brainwash him so he could be free of it and return to the super-powerful evil prince he was before.
-->'''Vegeta''': I was the perfect warrior, cold and ruthless. I lived by my strength alone, uninhibited by foolish emotion.... but slowly, over the years, I became one of you, my quest for greatness gradually giving way to this life of mediocrity. I awoke one day to find I had settled down, formed a family, I had even grown quite fond of them. Would you believe... I almost started to think the Earth was a nice place to live. You understand now, Kakarot? That's why I needed Babidi, to set me free.
21st Apr '17 8:59:03 PM Az_Tech341
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* Franchise/{{Superman}} gets hit by this trope ''hard'' in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice''. His attempts to do good are mostly met by supsicion and even outright derison. It even makes go into temporary exile, especially after [[spoiler:ComicBook/LexLuthor bombs the Capitol]].

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* Franchise/{{Superman}} gets hit by this trope ''hard'' in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice''. His attempts to do good are mostly met by supsicion and even outright derison. It even makes go He goes into temporary exile, especially exile after [[spoiler:ComicBook/LexLuthor bombs the Capitol]].
21st Apr '17 7:22:46 PM MasterHero
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* Franchise/{{Superman}} gets hit by this trope ''hard'' in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice''. His attempts to do good are mostly met by supsicion and even outright derison. It even makes go into temporary exile, especially after [[spoiler:ComicBook/LexLuthor bombs the Capitol]].
13th Apr '17 5:17:19 AM BB8ForPresident
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* In ''Series/{{Friends}}'', Monica is about to get back together with Richard because she thinks Chandler will never commit to their relationship. However, Chandler is in fact about to propose to Monica, and when he tells Richard that, Richard agrees to step aside but invokes this trope while doing so.

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* In ''Series/{{Friends}}'', Monica is about Richard wants to get back together with Richard because she Monica after their rough break up years before. He's helped by the fact Monica thinks Chandler will - her current boyfriend - has decided never to commit to their relationship. However, relationship, however Chandler is in fact confesses to Richard it's a misunderstanding and he's actually about to propose to Monica, and when he tells Richard that, ''propose.'' Richard agrees to step aside but invokes this trope while doing so.
4th Apr '17 12:50:35 PM gb00393
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* This has become the theme of the ''Series/GameOfThrones''. Many of the characters that try to do the right thing, end up suffering for it in the end while the characters whom plot and scheme against others, typically get their way. However, this gets [[{{Deconstruction}} deconstructed]] later in the series when it turns out being the DoomedMoralVictor can also lead to HundredPerCentAdorationRating and the UndyingLoyalty of one's subjects. This is perhaps best exemplified by ''ten-year-old'' Lyanna Mormont's declaration when Stannis demands the capitulation of the northern noble Houses early in Season 5: "Bear Island knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is ''Stark''."

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This has become the theme of the ''Series/GameOfThrones''.theme. Many of the characters that try to do the right thing, end up suffering for it in the end while the characters whom plot and scheme against others, typically get their way. However, this gets [[{{Deconstruction}} deconstructed]] later in the series when it turns out being the DoomedMoralVictor can also lead to HundredPerCentAdorationRating and the UndyingLoyalty of one's subjects. This is perhaps best exemplified by ''ten-year-old'' Lyanna Mormont's declaration when Stannis demands the capitulation of the northern noble Houses early in Season 5: "Bear Island knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is ''Stark''.""
** Most of everything Jon does, he does for the good of the Watch and Westeros, but he faces much hardship for it some of it from a faction of his Watch brothers and he ends up feeling increasingly isolated from them. Being killed in a mutiny by a group of Watch men and hanging them in return, including the boy Olly who helped murder him, is the last straw for him, and he leaves the Watch in Season 6 thoroughly disillusioned with them and sick of fighting.
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