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** This is what fully cemented Finn's MookFaceTurn at the beginning of ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' [[spoiler: after witnessing his fellow First Order Stormtroopers open fire on defenseless villagers]].

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** This is what fully cemented Finn's MookFaceTurn at the beginning of ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' [[spoiler: after witnessing his fellow First Order Stormtroopers open fire on defenseless villagers]].villagers and watching his friend FN-2003 die right in his arms]].
8th Nov '17 6:15:47 AM ading
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has [[spoiler: Theon Greyjoy]].

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'':
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[[spoiler: Theon Greyjoy]].
6th Nov '17 6:09:08 PM DLMaximum1
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** The ArmourPiercingQuestion that prompts his HeelFaceTurn; "Has anything you've done made your life any better?" essentially marks the contrast between this trope and EvilFeelsGood.

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** The ArmourPiercingQuestion [[ArmourPiercingQuestion Armor-Piercing Question]] that prompts his HeelFaceTurn; "Has "Have anything you've done made your life any better?" essentially marks the contrast between this trope and EvilFeelsGood.
6th Nov '17 6:06:37 PM DLMaximum1
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* In ''Literature/DeathStar'', the gunner who fired the superlaser that destroyed Alderaan, who had always wanted to fire the biggest gun, finds that [[PunchClockVillain following orders]] and getting what he'd wished for led to misery beyond his wildest dreams, a personal MoralEventHorizon. He can't justify it, can't either make it less of a crime or blame someone else, and is unable to sleep for guilt and horrible dreams. When the Death Star is in range of Yavin he stalls desperately, hoping that something would happen and he wouldn't have to pull that trigger again. [[ForegoneConclusion He got that wish]].

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* In ''Literature/DeathStar'', the gunner who fired the superlaser that destroyed Alderaan, who had always wanted to fire the biggest gun, finds that [[PunchClockVillain following orders]] and getting what he'd wished for led to misery beyond his wildest dreams, a personal MoralEventHorizon. He can't justify it, can't either make it less of a crime or blame someone else, and is unable to sleep for guilt and horrible dreams. When the Death Star is in range of Yavin IV, he stalls desperately, hoping that something would happen and he wouldn't have to pull that trigger again. [[ForegoneConclusion He got that wish]].



* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' -

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** When Faith returns in Season Four it's clear that her hostility is accompanied by deep self-loathing of what she's become. She seemed to be happier with it prior to her awakening, but this is likely because her slide into darkness went in hand with her relationship with her [[AffablyEvil father figure]]. With him dead all she had left was the knowledge of how badly she'd fallen. Immediately after she leaves the season, she shows up in the first season of ''Angel'' attempting SuicideByCop, but thankfully ends up with a HeelFaceTurn instead.
* ''Series/{{Charmed}}'': A demonic seer (played by [[Series/{{Angel}} Charisma Carpenter]]) who contacts the Charmed ones and offers them information if they will find a way to make her human. She explains that, through her visions she's seen just how much fun it is to be on the good side and realizes that as a demon, she could never experience any of that.

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** When Faith returns in Season Four Four, it's clear that her hostility is accompanied by deep self-loathing of what she's become. She seemed to be happier with it prior to her awakening, but this is likely because her slide into darkness went in hand with her relationship with her [[AffablyEvil father figure]]. With him dead all she had left was the knowledge of how badly she'd fallen. Immediately after she leaves the season, she shows up in the first season of ''Angel'' attempting SuicideByCop, but thankfully ends up with a HeelFaceTurn instead.
* ''Series/{{Charmed}}'': A demonic seer (played by [[Series/{{Angel}} Charisma Carpenter]]) who contacts the Charmed ones Ones and offers them information if they will find a way to make her human. She explains that, through her visions she's seen just how much fun it is to be on the good side and realizes that as a demon, she could never experience any of that.



** Ironically, for a series that often puts BeingGoodSucks at the forefront, this is more or less how their universe works. All good people get to go to Heaven when they die, and spend eternity reliving the best moments of their lives. Likewise, the standards of what is classed good is quite lenient. Despite not caring for man, the angels refuse to sell or barter the souls of Heaven, as it's their Creator's will that this be their fate. Meanwhile, all the evil people go to Hell, and are tortured til they become demons. Monsters who rip people apart in life go to Purgatory and spend eternity ripping each other apart, and all the other species just vanish upon death.

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** Ironically, for a series that often puts BeingGoodSucks at the forefront, this is more or less how their universe works. All good people get to go to Heaven when they die, and spend eternity reliving the best moments of their lives. Likewise, the standards of what is classed as good is quite lenient. Despite not caring for man, the angels refuse to sell or barter the souls of Heaven, as it's their Creator's will that this be their fate. Meanwhile, all the evil people go to Hell, and are tortured til they become demons. Monsters who rip people apart in life go to Purgatory and spend eternity ripping each other apart, and all the other species just vanish upon death.



* PlayedForLaughs in an episode of ''[[Series/MightyMorphinPowerRangers Mighty Morphin' Alien Rangers]]'': Finster is SquashedFlat by a monster troop as they leave the palace. He laments "Sometimes, I really hate being a bad guy." Whether Finster [[PunchClockVillain was truly evil at all]] is up for debate.

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* PlayedForLaughs in an episode of ''[[Series/MightyMorphinPowerRangers Mighty Morphin' Morphin Alien Rangers]]'': Finster is SquashedFlat by a monster troop as they leave the palace. He laments "Sometimes, I really hate being a bad guy." Whether Finster [[PunchClockVillain was truly evil at all]] is up for debate.



* Music/TheWho's "Behind Blue Eyes," which was intended to be a song for the villain of ''Lifehouse'', the album that became ''Who's Next''.
* Music/GetoBoys' "Mind Playing Tricks On Me" tells the story of a Gangster who rules his 'hood, makes money, drives fancy cars, is feared and respected...and has been driven Batshit Insane by paranoia: he can't sleep at night, he sees betrayal everywhere, and he's haunted by visions of people he's already killed.

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* Music/TheWho's "Behind Blue Eyes," Eyes", which was intended to be a song for the villain of ''Lifehouse'', the album that became ''Who's Next''.
* Music/GetoBoys' "Mind Playing Tricks On Me" tells the story of a Gangster who rules his 'hood, makes money, drives fancy cars, is feared and respected... and has been driven Batshit Insane batshit insane by paranoia: he can't sleep at night, he sees betrayal everywhere, and he's haunted by visions of people he's already killed.



* Franchise/SuperMarioBros: Even when he doesn't do something "evil", Waluigi suffers from this. He is hated by everyone in the Mushroom Kingdom (including himself), he lives at the constant shadow of his partner Wario, everyone despises or is scared of him and nothing ever goes right for him, no matter how hard he tries. In his first appearence, all he ever wanted was to be famous and loved like the Mario Brothers. He trained many years prior to that to become as strong as them.

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* Franchise/SuperMarioBros: ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'': Even when he doesn't do something "evil", Waluigi suffers from this. He is hated by everyone in the Mushroom Kingdom (including himself), he lives at the constant shadow of his partner Wario, everyone despises or is scared of him and nothing ever goes right for him, no matter how hard he tries. In his first appearence, all he ever wanted was to be famous and loved like the Mario Brothers. He trained many years prior to that to become as strong as them.



** During the "Court of Karnak" arc Karnak and Bulgak both realize that reigning in Hell is utterly meaningless because no one truly rules Hell. They are all prisoners.Bulgak responds by [[HeelFaceTurn renouncing his old, selfish, egotistical self]], which [[FantasticNuke releases his essence back into the world]]. Karnak simply appoints himself warden.
* Alt-Schlock in ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance'' learned this far far too late after he'd [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt eliminated nearly all of humanity]] and created a CrapsackWorld of only one city who's few remaining citizens are living drug addled lives with no memories and that the only way to maintain it will slowly destroy what's left. He finally shuts off the nano machines keeping himself alive because he's lost everything and doesn't even want to live anymore. Schlock prime is heading in the same direction.

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** During the "Court of Karnak" arc arc, Karnak and Bulgak both realize that reigning in Hell is utterly meaningless because no one truly rules Hell. They are all prisoners. Bulgak responds by [[HeelFaceTurn renouncing his old, selfish, egotistical self]], which [[FantasticNuke releases his essence back into the world]]. Karnak simply appoints himself warden.
* Alt-Schlock in ''Webcomic/SluggyFreelance'' learned this far far too late after he'd [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt eliminated nearly all of humanity]] and created a CrapsackWorld of only one city who's whose few remaining citizens are living drug addled lives with no memories and that the only way to maintain it will slowly destroy what's left. He finally shuts off the nano machines keeping himself alive because he's lost everything and doesn't even want to live anymore. Schlock prime Schlock-Prime is heading in the same direction.



*** His sister, [[TheDragon Azula]], learns the hard way that while being an EvilOverlord may get you all the power and success in the world, it also means that basically everyone around you is really only there either because they're scared of you or they were manipulated into it. Unlike Zuko, Azula's pride won't let her admit that she was wrong--the resulting conflict pretty much [[VillainousBreakdown destroys her mind]]. However, WordOfGod claims that it's not totally beyond repair.

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*** His sister, [[TheDragon Azula]], learns the hard way that while being an EvilOverlord may get you all the power and success in the world, it also means that basically everyone around you is really only there either because they're scared of you or they were manipulated into it. Unlike Zuko, Azula's pride won't let her admit that she was wrong--the wrong -- the resulting conflict pretty much [[VillainousBreakdown destroys her mind]]. However, WordOfGod claims that it's not totally beyond repair.



* ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars''

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/{{Bravestarr}}'' episode "Brother's Keeper," Bravestarr captures one of a pair of bandits who are brothers. The bandit admits the life of crime sucked and he's glad it's over, and the only reason he'd kept on with it was to look out for his brother, who is a much more unrepentant low-life.

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/{{Bravestarr}}'' episode "Brother's Keeper," Keeper", Bravestarr captures one of a pair of bandits who are brothers. The bandit admits the life of crime sucked and he's glad it's over, and the only reason he'd kept on with it was to look out for his brother, who is a much more unrepentant low-life.



* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'': This is one of the {{Central Theme}}s for Gotham City villians: Except ComicBook/TheJoker and DiabolicalMastermind Ras al Ghul, every villian has HiddenDepths that let him know a life of crime sucks and would attempt redemption. AllThereInTheManual has a lot of examples or RedemptionFailure, and by the time WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond sets in, all of Batman's RoguesGallery has died, said ScrewThisImOuttaHere (Poison Ivy) or even found Redemption (the Ventriloquist). Bane and Mr. Freeze's destinies are AndIMustScream, and all the others had been forgotten.

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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'': This is one of the {{Central Theme}}s for Gotham City villians: Except ComicBook/TheJoker and DiabolicalMastermind Ras Ra's al Ghul, every villian villain has HiddenDepths that let him them know a life of crime sucks and would attempt redemption. AllThereInTheManual has a lot of examples or RedemptionFailure, and by the time WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' sets in, all of Batman's RoguesGallery has died, said ScrewThisImOuttaHere (Poison Ivy) or even found Redemption (the Ventriloquist). Bane and Mr. Freeze's destinies are AndIMustScream, and all the others had been forgotten.
6th Nov '17 5:49:04 PM DLMaximum1
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* Literature/TheLordOfTheRings: This is the overarching meta-theme in Middle-Earth. Evil consumes all it touches, leading them to waste their lives before their miserable deaths. This is true from the first DarkLord [[{{Satan}} Morgoth]] to mortals to [[BigBad Sauron]] to [[FallenHero Saruman]]. Everyone who gives in to darkness ends up bitterly regretting it, and that's if they're lucky. If they're not, it's AndIMustScream time.

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* Literature/TheLordOfTheRings: ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'': This is the overarching meta-theme in Middle-Earth. Evil consumes all it touches, leading them to waste their lives before their miserable deaths. This is true from the first DarkLord [[{{Satan}} Morgoth]] to mortals to [[BigBad Sauron]] to [[FallenHero Saruman]]. Everyone who gives in to darkness ends up bitterly regretting it, and that's if they're lucky. If they're not, it's AndIMustScream time.
6th Nov '17 5:31:44 PM DLMaximum1
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* It may never be known what insane reason Priscilla Lyons had to join a bunch of cold-blooded killers who murdered super-villains like the Scourges of the Underworld, but she discovered this Trope was true when given her first mark, that of ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'s old enemy the Matador. She simply couldn't bring herself to pull the trigger after seeing that her intended victim was no longer a villain, living in poverty in Los Angeles, trying his hardest to help his sister take care of her children. In fact, this is what brought the organization down, due to their strict ResignationsNotAccepted policy; Priscilla was smart enough to know they'd be after her; prior to this, every would-be defector (or failure, or even members who were in danger of being caught) had been killed by the others before they could spill any of the groups secrets. But she was smarter than the others, and quickly called the Avengers hotline, and got in contact with the [=USAgent=], and as a result, they both brought the entire organization down.

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* It may never be known what insane reason Priscilla Lyons had to join a bunch of cold-blooded killers who murdered super-villains like the Scourges of the Underworld, but she discovered this Trope was true when given her first mark, that of ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'s old enemy the Matador. She simply couldn't bring herself to pull the trigger after seeing that her intended victim was no longer a villain, living in poverty in Los Angeles, trying his hardest to help his sister take care of her children. In fact, this is what brought the organization down, due to their strict ResignationsNotAccepted policy; Priscilla was smart enough to know they'd be after her; prior to this, every would-be defector (or failure, or even members who were in danger of being caught) had been killed by the others before they could spill any of the groups secrets. But she was smarter than the others, and quickly called the Avengers hotline, and got in contact with the [=USAgent=], and as a result, they both brought the entire organization down.



** Draco Malfoy learns this the hard way near the end of the series. There's a big difference between idolizing a "cool" EvilOverlord from a safe distance and being ordered by said overlord to commit murder (practically a suicide mission) with the threat of having your entire family killed. Draco also finds out that he doesn't have it in him to directly kill a defenseless person right in front of him. In Book 7 he learns that he doesn't enjoy inflicting ColdBloodedTorture.
** [[BigBad Voldemort]] himself is completely incapable of feeling love. He is driven solely on ambition and greed, and does everything he can to ensure that he'll live forever, [[spoiler: even going so far as to split his soul into horcruxes which take away more and more of his humanity and cause him to gradually develop a very pale, snake-like appearance, and he becomes very paranoid and frantic as Harry and his friends destroy more of them. By the end of the series he suffers a FateWorseThanDeath]].

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** Draco Malfoy learns this the hard way near the end of the series. There's a big difference between idolizing a "cool" EvilOverlord from a safe distance and being ordered by said overlord to commit murder (practically a suicide mission) with the threat of having your entire family killed. Draco also finds out that he doesn't have it in him to directly kill a defenseless person right in front of him. In Book 7 7, he learns that he doesn't enjoy inflicting ColdBloodedTorture.
** [[BigBad Voldemort]] himself is completely incapable of feeling love. He is driven solely on ambition and greed, and does everything he can to ensure that he'll live forever, [[spoiler: even going so far as to split his soul into horcruxes which take away more and more of his humanity and cause him to gradually develop a very pale, snake-like appearance, and he becomes very paranoid and frantic as Harry and his friends destroy more of them. By the end of the series series, he suffers a FateWorseThanDeath]].



** In ''Series/PowerRangersSamurai,'' Dayu made a DealWithTheDevil but didn't get what she asked for in the way she wanted ([[JerkassGenie devils are like that]]). By this point, she's sick of being TheDragon to Master Xandred but there's no way out.

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** In ''Series/PowerRangersSamurai,'' ''Series/PowerRangersSamurai'', Dayu made a DealWithTheDevil but didn't get what she asked for in the way she wanted ([[JerkassGenie devils are like that]]). By this point, she's sick of being TheDragon to Master Xandred but there's no way out.



* In ''Series/MyNameIsEarl'', this is what spurs Earl to create the list. After winning $100,000 from a [[spoiler: stolen]] lottery scratch ticket, he gets hit by a car (and badly injured), losing the lottery ticket in the process, and then his wife divorces him for Darnell and takes the trailer and the kids in the settlement, leaving him with nothing except the clothes on his back. Then, while doped up on morphine, he flips on the TV and hears CarsonDaly talking about (the ThemeParkVersion of) [[{{UsefulNotes/Buddhism}} karma]], and decides that the reason his luck has been so bad lately is that he's done a lot of bad things...and that this karma thing will destroy him if he doesn't [[TheAtoner make up for them]]. So he writes down [[ListOfTransgressions a list of all the bad things he can remember doing]] (some going all the way back to grade school). As he's tackling an item about littering, he finds the lost lotto ticket and claims the money, which he takes as a sign that karma is working for him. [[HeelFaceTurn He decides to do good things from then on]].

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* In ''Series/MyNameIsEarl'', this is what spurs Earl to create the list. After winning $100,000 from a [[spoiler: stolen]] lottery scratch ticket, he gets hit by a car (and badly injured), losing the lottery ticket in the process, and then his wife divorces him for Darnell and takes the trailer and the kids in the settlement, leaving him with nothing except the clothes on his back. Then, while doped up on morphine, he flips on the TV and hears CarsonDaly talking about (the ThemeParkVersion of) [[{{UsefulNotes/Buddhism}} karma]], and decides that the reason his luck has been so bad lately is that he's done a lot of bad things... and that this karma thing will destroy him if he doesn't [[TheAtoner make up for them]]. So he writes down [[ListOfTransgressions a list of all the bad things he can remember doing]] (some going all the way back to grade school). As he's tackling an item about littering, he finds the lost lotto ticket and claims the money, which he takes as a sign that karma is working for him. [[HeelFaceTurn He decides to do good things from then on]].



10th Oct '17 2:38:22 PM Rissis
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* According to WordOfGd, this is the premise behind [[Series/OnceUponATime Once Upon A Time]]. The Evil Queen's reason for choosing to get revenge on Snow White by casting a curse on the ''entire'' fairy tale world is to create a world where she can "win for once." Even there, she is shown to be deeply unhapply and is aware that she has [[RevengeBeforeReason destroyed her life for revenge]]. Aware of this, she finally tries to become TheAtoner in Season 2.

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* According to WordOfGd, WordOfGod, this is the premise behind [[Series/OnceUponATime Once Upon A Time]]. The Evil Queen's reason for choosing to get revenge on Snow White by casting a curse on the ''entire'' fairy tale world is to create a world where she can "win for once." Even there, she is shown to be deeply unhapply and is aware that she has [[RevengeBeforeReason destroyed her life for revenge]]. Aware of this, she finally tries to become TheAtoner in Season 2.
10th Oct '17 2:37:26 PM Rissis
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* PlayedForLaughs in an episode of ''[[Series/MightyMorphinPowerRangers Mighty Morphin' Alien Rangers]]'': Finster is SquashedFlat by a monster troop as they leave the palace. He laments "Sometimes, I really hate being a bad guy." Whether Finster [[PunchClockVillain was trully evil at all]] is up for debate.
** In ''Series/PowerRangersSamurai,'' Dayu made a DealWithTheDevil but didn't get what she asked for in the way she wanted; ([[JerkassGenie devils are like that]].) By this point, she's sick of being TheDragon to Master Xandred but there's no way out.
* According to WordOfGod, this is the premise behind [[Series/OnceUponATime Once Upon A Time]]. The Evil Queen's reason for choosing to get revenge on Snow White by casting a curse on the ''entire'' fairy tale world is to create a world where she can "win for once." Even there, she is shown to be deeply unhapply and is aware that she has [[RevengeBeforeReason destroyed her life for revenge]]. Aware of this, she finally tries to become TheAtoner in Season 2.

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* PlayedForLaughs in an episode of ''[[Series/MightyMorphinPowerRangers Mighty Morphin' Alien Rangers]]'': Finster is SquashedFlat by a monster troop as they leave the palace. He laments "Sometimes, I really hate being a bad guy." Whether Finster [[PunchClockVillain was trully truly evil at all]] is up for debate.
** In ''Series/PowerRangersSamurai,'' Dayu made a DealWithTheDevil but didn't get what she asked for in the way she wanted; wanted ([[JerkassGenie devils are like that]].) that]]). By this point, she's sick of being TheDragon to Master Xandred but there's no way out.
* According to WordOfGod, WordOfGd, this is the premise behind [[Series/OnceUponATime Once Upon A Time]]. The Evil Queen's reason for choosing to get revenge on Snow White by casting a curse on the ''entire'' fairy tale world is to create a world where she can "win for once." Even there, she is shown to be deeply unhapply and is aware that she has [[RevengeBeforeReason destroyed her life for revenge]]. Aware of this, she finally tries to become TheAtoner in Season 2.
10th Oct '17 2:33:10 PM Rissis
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** [[spoiler: Peter Pettigrew]] is of particular note because he gained literally nothing out of his betrayal. [[spoiler: He was such a DirtyCoward that nothing he did had any rhyme or reason other than temporarily saving his own ass. Before he became a death eater, he had three great friends who would have sacrificed their lives for him, but because Voldemort was taking over everywhere he decided to hand in the Potters in the hopes that he would be spared. This did absolutely nothing for him other than force him to spend twelve years as a rat and be abused for the remaining four years he lived, after which he was murdered by his new master anyway, completely defeating the purpose of siding with him in the first place. Along the way, he lost everyone who actually truly cared about him and destroyed countless lives, getting absolutely nothing out of anything that he did. Had he even shown the ''slightest'' bit of courage, he ironically probably would have ended up living longer than he actually did.]]

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** [[spoiler: Peter Pettigrew]] is of particular note because he gained literally nothing out of his betrayal. [[spoiler: He was such a DirtyCoward that nothing he did had any rhyme or reason other than temporarily saving his own ass. Before he became a death eater, Death Eater, he had three great friends who would have sacrificed their lives for him, but because Voldemort was taking over everywhere he decided to hand in the Potters in the hopes that he would be spared. This did absolutely nothing for him other than force him to spend twelve years as a rat and be abused for the remaining four years he lived, after which he was murdered by his new master anyway, completely defeating the purpose of siding with him in the first place. Along the way, he lost everyone who actually truly cared about him and destroyed countless lives, getting absolutely nothing out of anything that he did. Had he even shown the ''slightest'' bit of courage, he ironically probably would have ended up living longer than he actually did.]]
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** Rampage is an {{Expy}} of ''[[Literature/SilenceOfTheLambs Hannibal Lecter]]'', but is clearly aware of what a nightmare his life is ("I regret everything, my sweet."). It's implied at the end that he's also a DeathSeeker.

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** Rampage is an {{Expy}} of ''[[Literature/SilenceOfTheLambs [[Literature/SilenceOfTheLambs Hannibal Lecter]]'', Lecter]], but is clearly aware of what a nightmare his life is ("I regret everything, my sweet."). It's implied at the end that he's also a DeathSeeker.


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* ''WesternAnimation/DanVs'': Played with. Dan's insane obsession with revenge prevents him from doing anything worthwhile with his life or forming any meaningful, healthy friendships. However, "The Barber" shows that [[EvilFeelsGood he enjoys getting revenge]] so much that he thinks this is worth it.
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