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14th May '16 10:38:46 AM Fireblood
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"Begging the question" is often used to mean "leading inevitably to the question" (similar to how something can be said to "invite criticism" or someone can be "asking for a smack") in popular media, though this usage is a common BerserkButton for academics aware of the original use noted above (It doesn't help that the academic meaning is not only horribly counter-intuitive[[note]]There's neither any question nor any begging involved[[/note]], but also a mistranslation; as stated above, the original Latin means something more like "arguing the source"). Nevertheless, to avoid confusion, this fallacy is sometimes referred to by its Latin name, ''petitio principii'' in more formal settings.

See also NoTrueScotsman. If both parties accuse each other of begging the question, then it's a philosophical impasse -- no one can agree on a common set of premise; compare ValuesDissonance. See also TautologicalTemplar, who believes that since they are good, everything they do is justified.

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"Begging the question" is often used to mean "leading inevitably to the question" (similar to how something can be said to "invite criticism" or someone can be "asking for a smack") in popular media, though this usage is a common BerserkButton for academics aware of the original use noted above (It (it doesn't help that the academic meaning is not only horribly counter-intuitive[[note]]There's neither any question nor any begging involved[[/note]], but also a mistranslation; as stated above, the original Latin means something more like "arguing the source"). Nevertheless, to avoid confusion, this fallacy is sometimes referred to by its Latin name, ''petitio principii'' in more formal settings.

See also NoTrueScotsman. If both parties accuse each other of begging the question, then it's a philosophical impasse -- no one can agree on a common set of premise; premises; compare ValuesDissonance. See also TautologicalTemplar, who believes that since they are good, everything they do is justified.
13th May '16 11:54:46 PM hamza678
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See also NoTrueScotsman. If both parties accuse each other of begging the question, then it's a philosophical impasse -- no one can agree on a common set of premise; compare ValuesDissonance. See also TautalogicalTemplar, who believes that since they are good, everything they do is justified.

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See also NoTrueScotsman. If both parties accuse each other of begging the question, then it's a philosophical impasse -- no one can agree on a common set of premise; compare ValuesDissonance. See also TautalogicalTemplar, TautologicalTemplar, who believes that since they are good, everything they do is justified.
13th May '16 11:54:37 PM hamza678
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See also NoTrueScotsman. If both parties accuse each other of begging the question, then it's a philosophical impasse -- no one can agree on a common set of premise; compare ValuesDissonance.

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See also NoTrueScotsman. If both parties accuse each other of begging the question, then it's a philosophical impasse -- no one can agree on a common set of premise; compare ValuesDissonance.
ValuesDissonance. See also TautalogicalTemplar, who believes that since they are good, everything they do is justified.
4th May '16 1:17:39 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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* In ''VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi'', accepting the red text as only speaking the truth requires you believe both that Beatrice is being honest and that the red text speaks only the truth when statements like "The red text speaks only the truth!" come up. [[spoiler: Well, at least that's the case until we see Battler attempt to use the red to say something that turns out to be untrue.]] That said, it does happen to be true: Anything said in red is at worst misleading.

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* In ''VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi'', ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'', accepting the red text as only speaking the truth requires you believe both that Beatrice is being honest and that the red text speaks only the truth when statements like "The red text speaks only the truth!" come up. [[spoiler: Well, at least that's the case until we see Battler attempt to use the red to say something that turns out to be untrue.]] That said, it does happen to be true: Anything said in red is at worst misleading.
30th Apr '16 10:52:16 AM Josef5678
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* In UminekoNoNakuKoroNi, accepting the red text as only speaking the truth requires you believe both that Beatrice is being honest and that the red text speaks only the truth when statements like "The red text speaks only the truth!" come up. [[spoiler: Well, at least that's the case until we see Battler attempt to use the red to say something that turns out to be untrue.]] That said, it does happen to be true: Anything said in red is at worst misleading.

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* In UminekoNoNakuKoroNi, ''VisualNovel/UminekoNoNakuKoroNi'', accepting the red text as only speaking the truth requires you believe both that Beatrice is being honest and that the red text speaks only the truth when statements like "The red text speaks only the truth!" come up. [[spoiler: Well, at least that's the case until we see Battler attempt to use the red to say something that turns out to be untrue.]] That said, it does happen to be true: Anything said in red is at worst misleading.
30th Apr '16 9:19:58 AM PhantomCobra
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* In UminekoNoNakuKoroNi, accepting the red text as only speaking the truth requires you believe both that Beatrice is being honest and that the red text speaks only the truth when statements like "The red text speaks only the truth!" come up. [[spoiler: Well, at least that's the case until we see Battler attempt to use the red to say something that turns out to be untrue.]] That said, it does happen to be true: Anything said in red is at worst misleading.
13th Mar '16 11:44:37 AM Josef5678
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See also NoTrueScotsman. If both parties accuse each other of BeggingTheQuestion, then it's a philosophical impasse -- no one can agree on a common set of premise; compare ValuesDissonance.

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See also NoTrueScotsman. If both parties accuse each other of BeggingTheQuestion, begging the question, then it's a philosophical impasse -- no one can agree on a common set of premise; compare ValuesDissonance.



* Similar to the "mushrooms" example above, in ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'', Snake wants to know the difference between two snakes who look very similar, but one of which will poison him if he eats them. [[VoiceWithAnInternetConnection Para-Medic]] suggests an easy way to tell them apart: eat one. If it's poisonous, then he knows it's the poisonous one.

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* Similar to the "mushrooms" example above, in In ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid3SnakeEater'', Snake wants to know the difference between two snakes who look very similar, but one of which will poison him if he eats them. [[VoiceWithAnInternetConnection Para-Medic]] suggests an easy way to tell them apart: eat one. If it's poisonous, then he knows it's the poisonous one.



* In the days of {{Usenet}}, in a football forum, one poster postulated that you need a great coach to win a Super Bowl. He then defined a "great coach" as one who had won a Super Bowl.

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* In the days of {{Usenet}}, Website/{{Usenet}}, in a football forum, one poster postulated that you need a great coach to win a Super Bowl. He then defined a "great coach" as one who had won a Super Bowl.
Bowl.
7th Nov '15 10:17:33 AM safari169
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[[AC:{{Literature}}]]
* When Van Helsing and company are investigating Lucy's grave in ''{{Literature/Dracula}}'', Dr. Seward argues "I am satisfied that Lucy's body is not in that coffin, but that only proves... that it is not there."
7th Oct '15 4:30:48 PM mynameis:
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[[AC:{{Real Life}}]]
* Watch the TV show ''Series/AncientAliens'' and marvel at how the proof there were aliens visiting the Earth in the past is how the theory there were aliens that visited the Earth in the past explains problems in history that are problems if you assume there were aliens who visited Earth in the past.
* Descartes' so-called "proof" of the existence of God. Raymond Smullyan demonstrated that the only thing really proved by Descartes is that ''if'' there are one or more gods who fit Descartes' definition, then their properties must include existence; not that there necessarily is/are such a god or gods.
* Today, even in Christian circles, it is considered a poor argument that a "proof" of the existence of God is that The Bible says there's a God, and then when pressed on why the Bible should be believed, to answer "Because it's God's word and God doesn't lie." Of course, those statements necessarily require that God exist in order for them to be true.
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18th Sep '15 7:57:49 AM FerrousWill
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See also NoTrueScotsman. If you are arguing with someone and each of you thinks the other is BeggingTheQuestion, then your definitions are different and/or there is mutual ValuesDissonance.

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See also NoTrueScotsman. If you are arguing with someone and both parties accuse each of you thinks the other is of BeggingTheQuestion, then your definitions are different and/or there is mutual it's a philosophical impasse -- no one can agree on a common set of premise; compare ValuesDissonance.
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